Adventurer #13 31 марта 2002

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Chaos Construction 2001 - an epic dispute: Vivid VS Sairoos, Chanks VS Multicolor, Dogma VS Triptomine Dream.

Vivid> We do not and there was no animation! Behold, I spit 
when I look Forever, you know. 

Sair00s> As for the animation. Explain to me
If the fool I am, as you can do mirroring
rotator in multicolor'e? Maybe I'm stupid?

Vivid> I'll give you the source.

Sair00s> You know, there is one point ... there beats dofiga ...

Vivid> In short, there is no 50 fps works. He
25 fps is. The first frame I look forward to
buffer, the second I have to recode munky
(Well, munky, a multicolor chunky). Ie
20 cycles for the calculation of one munk'a out, here. But I 
click the screen is not in sync with the conclusion, ie, 
figured it was a whole line - change the screen. I have to 
calculate one line of 1300 with something bars. Screens

have to click through 896. So, I
there ret'y cleverly placed in the right places.
Ie I, for example, brought, shall we say
so 75% of the line, where my team stands
ret ... Well, as it were, removed the address ...

Sair00s> In short, you ret floating?

Vivid> Permanent. There are more perverted.
Still, here, voxels - please. They also
not 50 fps.

Sair00s> Well, what about voxels - I do not know ...

Vivid> There is also no animation, there's still hitrozhopee. 
They work for 3 int'a. That multicolor'e we have perverted the 
way, more than in Dogma. Unique solvability: you effects, which 
I thought at spectrum'e general gemorno write. That's free 
directional tunnel, the camera between the two planes, well, 
there hemorrhagic Th: calculated grid, then interpolate. But 
look at tunnel, there is far wrong.


Sair00s> They know there business in what? ..

Vivid> small resolution. I would like here
a farm implement in multicolor'e.
But you know, there are a lot of crap, and the speed
falls.

Sair00s> I do, you know, I just
can not imagine how you can when you have
a frame goes to the withdrawal of the screen ...

Vivid> In parallel, the parallel is calculated!

Sair00s> You know, in parallel to calculate 3D and multicolor 
... 

Vivid> Maybe! Here, I'll show you.

EA> Wait, you're trying to solve some
questions, or trying to convince each other that you are lamer?

Vivid> None.

Sair00s> I have a polygon of some kind. I
I want to bring it to the clipboard. How can I
done simultaneously with multicolor'om?

Vivid> The landfill can not be!

Sair00s> Exactly, that's it.

Vivid> I mean ... You take effect are thinking of, say, 2 / 3 
of the screen. Bottom is 25,000 cycles.


Sair00s> That's it-now. I told you about it, and
I say that this can be done only if you have not full-screen 
multicolor. Well, imagine how you can do realtime effects in 
full screen and in multicolor? 

Vivid> There is a 3D effect in our Deme.

EA> It will be today?

Vivid> It will be today. There is the very first 3D effect. 
It's not animation, but there are 3D runs parallel with the 
calculation. 

Sair00s> Calculating how much?

Vivid> What's the calculation?

Sair00s> Calculations of how much work?

Vivid> It works for 3 int'a. 3D effect.

Sair00s> There's Che?

Vivid> Well, you see. The first is the effect
Deme if someone says that precalculating, all that - if it is 
free after the spectrum, all the contests will end ... 
Specially compiled version of where possible from the keyboard 
poupravlyat camera. Ie anyone can take, take, poupravlyat. 
Neither of which precalculating speech no. By the way, I would 
like you to take back his words, because I mean that in an 
interview for sinclair club, which gave you ...


Sair00s> And, well, well, well, well ...

Vivid> Well, we do not have any animation
Part of Tryptomine Dream. In addition, I
I do not know, even as it turns out badly,
I've looked Dogm'y, yes, I was delighted.

Sair00s> I do not know about the rapture ..
Well, okay, no. Just, you know, Dogm'u
seen. She deme, it realtime ...

Screamer> Well, what you argue that?

Vivid> We also realtime.

Sair00s> Well, you know, I just do not
I know. I just can not imagine how it is possible.
I have no idea personally, I can not imagine.
How can I make a full-screen multicolor in realtime even there 
for 25 fps ... Mirror rotator, it is, in fact, I I do not know, 
but half the frame - that's for sure. Plus there is a frame for 
the withdrawal ... 

Vivid> I have on the calculation of the mirror rotator'a the 
entire first frame, and another top curb the next frame.


Screamer> You are arguing over who rialtaymnee,
what?

Sair00s> No, it's just too much ...

Screamer> I believe, I believe.

Vivid> perverted a lot there.

Sair00s> I'm not saying anything. But, you know, you have a 
FRAME is concluded practically the whole frame.


Vivid> So I optimize almost
to the limit.

Sair00s> There optimized. I understand. I have the most, that's 
rotator, if I do them, it takes 6 bytes per pixel, I do not I 
know there is bias in the protection of the cycle internal, and 
so on, damn it. It works fast and good, but it is still fast 
enough to do it in multicolor. I just can not imagine how

do it. I do not know. If this is done
indeed in realtime, if you dig ...

Vivid> I'm doing is really in realtime.
I want to go to the source Scream'e publish
that any person has taken, compiled ...

Sair00s> If I dug into this, if I
This escape ...

Vivid> Here, you Power Up-2 see? Well, or
just Power Up. There are now even moving
shit, yes? Tam, he goes for 2 int'a fullscreen. I'm doing it 
for 1 frame. 

Sair00s> There's attributes. There, you see,
There he swap the screens, so this here is the point
changes from vertical to horizontal ...

Vivid> That, and I did this effect fullscreen and 50 fps in 
realtime, in multicolor. 

Sair00s> Well, I do not know.

Vivid> and faster way than in the Power Up.
Exploder for some reason there protormozil ...
T.e. Well, according to our Deme - I'm telling you
as a coder coder'u that no animation
We have a no. All the effects of the rod in realtime. 100%. Of 
course, some lookup tables are. 

Sair00s> But you know, lookup tables,
this is x-x-s ...

Vivid> But at least I frames generation on the fly.

Sair00s> Well, I understand. Do you know what
lookup table, in general?

Vivid> No, I do not know! You know, so many effects, it did ...

Sair00s> You know what this is?! I mean, that's when you do 
Bump, it can make a lookup table. Yes, there it stretch'em do 
this Bump. It will work in general will fly. And do

it in realtime. Calculate the normal, while taking in the 
texture ... 

Vivid> It know it's not you for the Spectrum ...

Sair00s> This is a lookup, you know, this is the
same lookup. Well, in principle, it is the
same anime. Stretch is generally anim, a pancake.
On the table you're finished impose a texture, you get shot or 
effect or whatever it is, damn it.


Vivid> But, at least for spectrum'a with its capabilities - it 
... 

Sair00s> If so, I'd say ... I say that without a voxel 
lookup'a, pancake, in multicolor, full screen ... 

Vivid> Voxel without lookup'a.

Sair00s> general?

Vivid> Well, exactly how? There Tracing
Rays in realtime happening. All of a chip that they do not come 
from the camera and the camera ... 

Sair00s> Well, it's everywhere.

Vivid> No, not everywhere. We have a 4K intro Marazm from the 
camera going. Ie introduced (?) only the part that ... 

Sair00s> No, well, I do not know, anyway. Voxel
for multicolor, is ...

Vivid> Tell me more, that's impossible ... Y
I have 2 / 3 screen pret voxel 16 fps.

Sair00s> I do not know about that ... I
This voxel'e hemorrhoids out there ...

Vivid> I - a week.

Sair00s> In the 4x4? I do not know, day 2, I do not remember
how much.

Vivid> Over the first effect of Deme I have hemorrhoids for 
over a month. And above the rest ... 3D, these are flying that 
- ready engine is written in a landfill, and a couple of

days, the effect of the rivet effect.

Sair00s> Well this is yes. Here now is that
we will, it has not, in general. For 3
Week DeMouy do it ...

Vivid> month to write the first effect, second effect was 
written a couple of days. But everything else was done in 2 
weeks. 

Sair00s> I'm doing everything else for 2 days
Now, the last.

Screamer> Sair00s just a maniac. You
the main thing that was in realtime, or to
fast was it?

Sair00s> Most importantly, it was quickly
and in realtime was.

Vivid> No, for me the same thing.

Sair00s> Not by a rabid lookup'am that
occupy half of the memory or any memory fucking
but normally, when you multiply a point on
point.

Vivid> I have, incidentally, that here the effect
and multiply there. Honest multiplication.

Sair00s> If you twist, then yes, without multiplying out there 
... 

Screamer> You know, Sair00s, that oblomno?
That one, for example, common effect,
you are purely kodish in realtime. He, you
all memory will hold. Ie you to load, run, and re-load.

Sair00s> No, this does not happen.

Screamer> It was in Dogma is, Biden
exists on phong'u rotates against rotator'a some insane.

Sair00s> There have been no fx'a, which is loaded at once. 
Well, loaded - Immediately following loading. In my opinion, not

it was like that.

Screamer> Was there, in short, homosexual picture. Then here is 
this Biden's phong'u. Then this crap ...


Vivid> No, well, ill effects are eaten by many
memory.

Screamer> You fx is divided into 2 parts.
First, just hooks, and then she get by twisted and rotated 
again. 

Sair00s> Ah, so it's 2 different fx'a. They
cool made so that one look.

Screamer> Just a shame.

Vivid> What do you have a bad code, this is
that some effects are just not look. Ie could have done better.
Get Paracels'a, kick to take, you know, drew a good texture, 
yes. 

Sair00s> I kicked him once n-eleven.

Vivid> And any effect unless it is
see if it is not clear that there is flying, so when there is a 
mirror spinning. I yet it is not turbo looked, I did not 
personally realized that there is spinning. Dirty

something. I saw a turbo, yes, now
understood well. The first time I bet on
projector is not clear at all that had happened. I do not
was last year ...

Sair00s> I like something that ...

Vivid> Ie if the effect does not look, I
simply reject. Here, we effect
2 in the last year and this year, and kicked.

Sair00s> We have this year ... Here, in
realtime demo coding compo ... deme general
get emotional.

Vivid> I feel that you have as Dogma
to the limit, then approached her.

Sair00s> There is no limit to perfection!

Vivid> Well, at least in comparison
with Napalm made less noticeable. Well, you know, here's the 
part. 

Sair00s> What is being done in Dogma, it is
approached the physical limit spectrum'a,
in principle. There, you see, if we take
the same 3D engine. Why, it can bring? Increase the number of 
polygons - increases correspondingly brakes. Do instead of 
8-bit rotation, projection, etc. 16 bit - once the brakes. 

Vivid> We have turns 16-bit.

Sair00s> This is for any member of the rotations
16-bit?

Vivid> Well, look. We turn, how?
Article in this reading, as it is? Zx power
whether the 3rd or 4th ... Well, the cube is, are calculated ...

Sair00s> Central point, or as they're called?

Vivid> No, not the mid-point. Well, the projections are 
calculated, for each axis, X, on Y and Z, and that's where 500, 
is that it bars to point to the turn around point for all

axes, so what? This is a 16-bit if you work. In an 8-bit, 
somewhere there 270 cycles per rotation of the point away. Well,

Projection. Last year we did
there on the table 16-kilobyte, where 200
tacts for projecting a point here. In
This year, after all, memory for table does not
it had to take the procedure of spectrum expert'a - there 
division. There somewhere already on 500 cycles per pixel was 
spent. But here, take it back ...


Sair00s> While he did not see anything back
I will not take. It's one thing the word ...

Vivid> I'm not going to lie to you after all.

Sair00s> No, of course, because I can check.

Vivid> Here is all the more.

Sair00s> Well, I do not know. Look.

Vivid> Gimme sfotografiruemsya as
friends.

Elf> Here, I, too, by the way, I thought
on it.

Vivid> And then I wanted to play trick before
over you. Wait until the photograph.

Sair00s> At what expense?

Vivid> Oh, hello, here you are about Placebo. Here, I have 
always dragged from your demos. Please give me your autograph, 
there, Tralee Wali, here. All these Brainwave They - suxx. And 
photographed. And then here take so proudly, to fasten his 
badge and say: "Behold, I pinned it right now because you would 
not be photographed with me was because of the hostility. 
"Well, after reading These articles, interviews with you ...




Elf> Sair00s really so bad?

Sair00s> I do not know.

Organism> The articles were very interesting.

Sair00s> First, what about all those articles, interviews, etc. 
What I am convinced that I talking about this, you know. I just 
... Well, I do not know. Voxel in realtime, rotator -

everything else in realtime. With this I can
even may agree.

Vivid> 4 rotator'a mirror, there are 50
fps.

Sair00s> I do not care how much they have there
rotator'ov mirror. But with this I can
be able to agree, just understand
Then I was sure that the whole thing was
done on the Amiga. I do not know. Now, I
can be see ...

Vivid> On the size of the demos would have looked ...

Sair00s> Well, you know, here you have worth
picture, here is a picture is worth. It stands at the
you, I do not know how much time, well, almost
Do not half a minute, damn. There until the noodle is simple.

Vivid> At this time we have a picture for long
stand.

Sair00s> I do not know at this time could be
such precalc do that on the whole memory will unfold and a 
dozen shipments on the disc will do. Then with the drive all 
counts. 

Vivid> Not-ee.

Sair00s> It seems ... This is my
subjective point of view: when there is a long time
picture, he's something to do while
it is worth. You see, here at Exploder'a on
komputere was a red button. She
includes a second screen. Ie if someone
makes the anime - he sees it, it is a pleasure.

Organism> What he, however, a sadist.

Sair00s> There, for example, included some
screen, it has a button, it switches screens. If there is 
someone on the screen anima some, some precalc'i, table throws 
- he sees everything. He maniac simple.


Vivid> This time vote like you? "

Sair00s> For myself, I can not vote,
so I'll vote for you, so
that ...

Vivid> What's stopping you for a vote?

Sair00s> And not in the rules. Vivid,
Say something in Yeltsin.

Vivid> A, and who knows?


Elf> For now all!

Yeltsin> Well, you know, good luck to you all.

Vivid> Incidentally, I at Cafe last year,
Here, the Yeltsin first place in the wild
compo won.

Elf> And, well.

debate is interrupted for some time,
but only to be reborn again
with renewed vigor ...

Sair00s> Red, yellow, white. That -
normal color, and all the rest ... Purple - the color of the 
left I do not know where he vzyalsyadermo! Firstly, it is not a 
multicolor look, you know, the spots here are the color, I do 
not like it.


Screamer> Maybe you colorblind?

Sair00s> On the contrary, I am not colorblind.

Screamer> I was joking.

Vivid> We have a 4K intro, which made
young man, that's as old as this,
Screamer'u. There was at the end demos epigraph:
"Chunky - color-blind" - my phrase.

Sair00s> By the way, the silly phrase, to be honest.

Vivid> Why stupid?

Sair00s> Why it smart?

Vivid> Well, I do not know, but it sounds cool.

Sair00s> Not as clever in it then and there that hilarious?

Vivid> Well, I do not know what it this
good.

Sair00s> Well, you know, when people
looks black and white television - he that,
colorblind?

Vivid> Well, no, but when he looks at a color TV ... Is 
spectrum was is made for chunks?


Sair00s> You know, I'm with the greater share netupizma can say 
that for multicolor color blind. If you do not turn out the 
color, it means you're not colorblind, if you turn on, so color 
blind. 

Screamer> If the spectrum would make for
chunks, then there would be a fancy would be the screen.

Vivid> Chunky invented in the '97 year.

Sair00s> Multicolor came up, damn it, not
know, probably when the spectrum appeared.

Elf> I do not know what to argue. It all depends on how you 
implement it. Can and on and on the other shit to do.


Sair00s> I do not know. Do you understand me personally it is 
more convenient, I can show the attributes. I can print a 4x4, 
I can deduce in 2x2. I can deduce, in this same multicolor. 
What's the difference. I prefer to output at 4x4, I bring in a 
4x4. You prefer output in multicolor, output in multicolor. 
What is the difference as you draw on screen! In general, this 
one finishes Trouble me, enrages. Generally, up ass, damn! 

Paracels> Great! I'm not like that.

Unbeliever> Sair00s, in fact, not until
assholes, you know, that's if Pheel painted a picture, you 
know, the usual picture. 

Vivid> And we would convert it into chunks.

Unbeliever> Wait a minute. You tell me: "Picture me at all to 
asses: the pixels are painted or attributes, you know.


Sair00s> here, but ...

Unbeliever> If we are tense,
We would have paintings would be in normal, human colors. We 
should not have been have hemorrhoids with attributes. We then

was necessary? Just tighten and make
normal editor for Spectrum, and your
ideology of the chunk, it's actually
you know what he is talking? What you need to take
In fact, MHz spectrum, normally just connect to it engine
and normal renderilku for Floyd Steinberg, you will have a 
pixel to pixel, like so that's all you will have.


Sair00s> I understand.

Screamer> Loud and prolonged applause ...

Unbeliever> Until then you can get. But
We do not have as many megahertz.

Sair00s> You know, Max, we do not have as many megahertz to 
work in multicolor. Multicolor occupies the entire frame. 

Unbeliever> Yes, and that's the trick. That's because it takes 
the whole frame, his need juzat.


Vivid> Therefore it is necessary to distort the way
to suffice for something ...

Sair00s> What must be subverted if
can make it easier?

Unbeliever> Please make a PC 'Schnick!

Organism> Do not we perverts?

Vivid> LD that's a pity that no, here he is
the one that's powerful pervert. Rage seen? By
border, all with the same screen. He now
for what did? For the sake of self-affirmation,
here. No one before has thought. He
picked up and did it first. And it is not nobody in this will 
be overcome. 

Unbeliever> In fact, it also has
right to life, not in the same format as
You do. I suppose that the realization of your dem is a simple 
mathematical algorithm, which travels literally on paper.


Vivid> Mathematics there is little general ...

Unbeliever> Here. Understand mathematics,
normal. You do it considered in the normal points. And then she 
takes it all in chunks. And so the depth of thought is just how 
it all soptimizit. And to this soptimizit, you should not do 
because you're doing now. When you have, you take the source 
code, commented out it, you just fly vector, you uncommented 
some procedure circuit starts to texture. So be

it should not. You must be a fucking withdrawal procedure, in 
which everything must be soptimizirovano. 

Sair00s> I mean ...

Unbeliever> ... on the move all counting.

Sair00s> Max, Max! Understand! Look.
Listen here! Look, if you talk about
this thing, you know, I just can not write the exact same 
engine in multicolor, exactly the same. It will be displayed in 
multicolor, in chunks, what's the difference? I'm so also going 
to comment, I'm just going to withdraw, or vectors, or texture 
mapping, or even four-something like that. I mean, it's

just a way of displaying.

Unbeliever> Yes, but your method of output
screen, it is not subject to optimization for 4
consecutive years. Because, I'll repeat,
must ...

Vivid> The main thing that looked beautiful!

Sair00s> I mean, multicolor not subject to optimization since 
its invention. 

Unbeliever> It can not be subjected to
optimization, because it is the truth, you know!

Sair00s> What is the truth, where is it written?

Organism> And now we'll write it on the wall.

Unbeliever> wrote it all, everywhere!
The essence of what is - your demos, they too should
develop. Chunks should appear faster, and that they appear more 
quickly, not should be the procedure output chunks!


Vivid> They are not for religious reasons
do it. We would like also for 82 cycles
this, with ret'ami, use the output chunks. All chip in what? 
Conclusion of polygons, it sometimes podglyukivaet are derived 
pixel'y outside the texture. There's somewhere from PZU'shki, 
well, disappear sometimes. 

Sair00s> We do not podglyukivaet.

Vivid> You do not say!? Left pixel'y skips out there on the 
border ranges, so you always on the Napalm ... 

Sair00s> Napalm, you know, he was '98m year.

Vivid> Yeah, well, okay. Now, maybe.

Unbeliever> You must understand one thing. Yes, there should
be a separate procedure output chunks
simply does not exist! You have a procedure that builds the 
screen itself should, on the move ... 

Sair00s> Max, but for some dick this is necessary,
Excuse me?

Unbeliever> To you it was not 5 fps and
10 fps.

Screamer> Dreams, Dream Max.

Sair00s> This is so that the brakes were added?

Elf> There is a view contrary.

Unbeliever> Well, yes, 5 fps'ov, 10 fps'ov.
To you within first rendered
next pixel texture, and immediately withdrew to avoid this 
RS'shnogo "at I have an algorithm that I had soptimiziroval,

I have vyvodilka. But in vyvodilku
I do not care, because it is written Vav'om else. "

Sair00s> Max, you know ...

Unbeliever> You can not do!

Sair00s> What's the difference?

Unbeliever> BIG difference! Because
bump in 2 frame, he looks in the Born
dead, and the bump at 3 fps, 4 fps'a, 10 -
He's not looking.

Sair00s> There bump'ov not happen.

Unbeliever> These are bump'y. They have
each, they are among us, you know, these
bump'y among us is simple.

Organism> Do you paranoid.

Unbeliever> absolute, and. Everything should be soptimizeno. 
And now, your next step - to realize this. This is a very 
flexible when you have a procedure for withdrawal, and there is 
a procedure that finds frame. It's super flexible. You can 
connect, disconnect, but when you soptimizish one effect, and 
you have it will all be here And so, in a jet in one, you just 
UZREESH SPEED. And you will TRUE HEAVENLY. 

Organism> Max, you are not insolent? Best
coders teach ...

Sair00s> Here, I have a fx was, for example,
Well, I do not know, 5 fps, for example, yes, he was. I
it soptimizil. I have it was 5.8 fps.

Unbeliever> And what do you soptimizil?

Sair00s> comprehend.

Unbeliever> What do you soptimizil tell.

Sair00s> I soptimizil display. Y
me, you know, display takes
no more than 20% of the time.

Vivid> Couple int'ov. On the force.

Screamer> Max, Come immerse ... And it
Sair00s' a vision that came to him
Max ...

Unbeliever> screen output is 1.5
frame, right?

Sair00s> Well, 1,5-2, well, yes.

Unbeliever> But if you are skolbasish
floor frame, then you will have ...

Sair00s> And what would happen if I have
fx work in 25 fps? Yes, I would then
throw out the frame, I would have because of this sausage. But 
if it works for me 10 frames, damn it, I know these floor frame 
that will, damn it?


Vivid> You experience a sense of self
satisfaction.

Sair00s> Yes, they can give a sense of personal satisfaction, 
but, you know, I'm just now really changed the 3D engine. host 
out there, once throwing feces, who cheated, I do not know why 
I'm on this frame is wasted. Well, what? Removed I

frame of the effect. Do you think they are faster
look? Yes no blockhead!

Vivid> Throw a couple of extra polygons. Soptimizi, pick up the 
texture so that it it was not so noticeable.


Unbeliever> I'm going to piss now.

Vivid> Well, you, of course, correct all the talking .. You 
have to how many polygons spinning?


Sair00s> I do not know, 60-70, there. 80 max.

Vivid> Well, it already see this perversion, for such a large 
number of polygons spectrum is not created. Ie 10,000 polygons 
can do ... 

Sair00s> I want to see on the Spectrum is not
only, say, a cube, not just a pyramid
not only there, something like that of 510 sites, and indeed 
the normal effect, which ...


Vivid> Well, we did a Tryptomine Dream -
88 polygons there spinning. So what, 5
fps - speed it does?

Sair00s> I understand that this is not the speed,
but it's real, concrete terms. To look at it nicely. When 
should RS'shnik, damn, I say: "in-here, you've got there, damn, 
gigahertz, fucking, and I have over there 0,33 mips, damn, and 
now look - you have a cool and me spinning. The same. "The same 
soul, whore. Not that multicolor, you know, here at RS 
'Schnick, his psychology, his screen, such as there? 600h480. 
Your Multicolor screen - 64h48, it will not surprise you. Such 
is the point, she did not ivy. 

Vivid> I know.

Sair00s> What would you were not there, damn it!
Just great point whore. All, more
nothing. For him it is nothing
means. For him, this multicolor ... you
izebnulsya not izebnulya, for it is -
fuck, in principle! But if he sees
that he had there a scene turns to
0.33 mips, yes, that's cool, damn! A
Here are all of these rotators you nobody
surprise. In principle. And if a person uninitiated in this 
business, you know, if he Spectrum has not seen ... That will 
now be demo compo, here are some RS'shniki. They, in Basically, 
do not care what you do there block the screen in multicolor, 
in chunks. He sees healthy point, and all. His only

interested.

Vivid> I'm doing for spektrumistov to
surprise them.

Sair00s> Well, I understand.

Vivid> at RC 'Schnick I scored. Large and
thick.

Screamer> They show a naked woman, they immediately
DeMouy in the first place vpendyuryat.

Vivid> Yes, that's it, it's now me and infuriates.
I saw the beginning of demos from the Volga Soft. There
some woman tits Bare, here. Kakienibud RC 'Schnick see: Bare 
breasts, Cool it! "and get that because there is something 
wrong fools of some, I do not know there, penthouse ... 
appeared 10 years ago ... 

Screamer> So 8-bitter to Accept corp.
took first place last year ...

Sair00s> No, I say, I am, in principle, demos
do for myself.

Screamer> Spektrumisty saw: - oh, chunks, this is our, dear!

Sair00s> We once DeMouy rivet, we go to all the RC 'Schnick, 
watch. They are: "Opa! Opa! ", They like to watch. Really

nice when MS 'Schnick sits, he likes what's going on there. 
It's nice to principle. Well, here's what you do not sit there 
for some smelly ZX, and you sit in a normal komputerom, which 
can make it can do, rather than any

There rotator, plasma iskazhalku there.

Vivid> And where are you sitting? For some there
Spectrum?

Sair00s> No, well, you know, like this ...

Vivid> Well, let's say 5 years ago about
phong and other garbage and no one wanted to
Spectrum.

Sair00s> Yes, you know, if we return to these multicolor ... 
from them, principle, refused, when invented chunks. Of them 
refused. Then come back to them. I do not know why this is, 
what is it connected.


Vivid> But if we had done its DeMouy
Again, in chunks, yes. Well, it would be absolutely no way 
singled out. 

Sair00s> Why is it would not stand out?
I do not know, Dogma stand out?

Vivid> Dogma stood out.

Sair00s> And why would not your highlight?
That explain to me why it does not stand out?

Vivid> Well, first of all, if I still
level is not so much was.

Sair00s> You would not do these voxels, rotators, you would 
have four-anything really normal, nice. 

Vivid> Well, first, color second
- Fast.

Sair00s> Well, you know - a color. Color
You can not know, do anything. What's the difference? Well, do 
not care, color is not color. I personally do not care now. 
I'll include black-and-white monitor, I do not care in which 
there colors, whore. 

Elf> Here we are, by the way, and learned the most important 
secrets, why you are all done in chunk. Because you have a 
black-and-white monitor. 

Sair00s> No, I have a color monitor.

Elf> A-ah, all the same way.

Vivid> Here, let me at home at all
scorpion stands, and I write multicolor, who works at pentagon. 
Ie have to go here to Tigre, and he, literally, or by phone is 
fixed ... 

Elf> Fixit on the phone? Oh-oh-oh!

Vivid> People engaged in phone sex and we Fix on the phone. Or 
shove it through half the town and sit on it buggy computer, 
which freezes after 10 minutes. 

Sair00s> Well, what can I say? I, too,
sat today at the buggy computer, I also
today did nothing ...

Vivid> But the effects we want to do to
there has been misrepresented. Some even had misrepresented.

EA> And why? All ingenious is simple. Think of something 
interesting, but very simple. 

Sair00s> Well yes, look, you're perverted, for you it's cool ...

Vivid> I'm only for this to have fun.

Sair00s> I, as a coder, I understand that this
cool. And here comes some kind of aunt
streets, Vasya Pupkin some, he looks and says: "And Che is?" 
Well, what? Che-then flashes four-something cool. "


Elf> So you need to do for myself and for you
- The rest do not care ...

Sair00s> You see, in general question, such
for someone to do - for ourselves, for the people,
or at all there, just so, damn.

Vivid> Here's how we did Tryptomine
dream, and now here, so that someone
break. Yes, it was a matter of principle. There.
To break the last time failed to
Sorry. Right now I do not know - Tear,
not tear.

Screamer> I think the conversation will continue
after the demo compo.

Sair00s> No, really, the incentive to
coding, really. I agree. Here
You do not know, now will break us, break.
Yes, but you know, next year ...

Vivid> And then the tear is no one to ...
I now do not know you tear us or not,
because we are at this time, it does not matter - we will tear 
or tear - but we leave here. 

EA> Here's an hour later and find out!

Sair00s> You know, for me it is now important
- Just be unreleased deme, no matter
there, will she or will not - do not care.
Well, what can we expect from realtime demo compo, demo coding, 
or whatever it's called - some glitches. 

Screamer> general intrigue came up with this ...

Sair00s> Well, I do not know.

Screamer> I wonder who will win
place.

Vivid> It will take the strongest, yes. Just now
I feel that next year I
go up to its limit, and this one here
a young man - Screamer, he develops, and you and me as a puppy 
will tear into shreds.


Sair00s> Same can be.

Screamer> In two years will be not less ...

Vivid> to the level to which we were
three, four, or more, he was about to
reach this level for the year.

Sair00s> Well, yes. In principle, this is understandable.
There are disk imaging, there now describe, there
Now anything. When we started ...

Vivid> We have done a good thing? We raised the bar for the 
rest. They already have on that be, they know what to do

possible. Take at least that's the same magic, there, STS, will 
look like done, understand.


Sair00s> And what about this very multicolor. I have it now 
basically do not. Because you're doing.


Vivid> To not be like us, and then
say: "Here ..."

Sair00s> Yes, behold, there they looked at, but
you know ...

Vivid> Generally speaking, we are chunks of the same
reasons, do not. Ie We will take into
chunk - say: it was last year in
Dogma ...

Sair00s> Same if I make a multicolor something to say: "Yes, 
over there, multicolor, anima chase. "At Brainwave

looks like a pancake.

Paracels> infuriates you, it infuriates. But you
next year it all, you did a multicolor, and you ...

Vivid> No, I do have a chunk will not.

Sair00s> A I'm in multicolor.

Vivid> I grew up in chunks ...

Sair00s> I'm not old enough to multicolor;).

Screamer> You grew up in chunks, and you're out of multicolor.

Vivid> Yes it is a multicolor nothing like writing.

Sair00s> No, at the time when there was no
now that's all these 3D garbage, it was.
When the insult was when everything else
was.

Vivid> Not when I was a insult, then I still
on the basic ...

Sair00s> And then we are in multicolor, we're from
he grew up. You see, I'm over it
took place, I reject it. Well, you know what? had for me was a 
landmark In principle, this VAV.


Vivid> VAV gone away.

Sair00s> Yes, there was a guide. He stopped
do multicolor, he began to make chunks,
I looked at him, began to make chunks. There.
I mean, for me, then, according to the ideas,
on this thing. What if it's for the same garbage grew, I, in 
principle, should also outgrow it and do a more advanced 
performance it all. I do not know, you maybe started too late, 
really. Here, I do not know, really started to early, you would 
do the same 4x4 chunks, all of these things, you'd have them 
all done. You would have these multicolor would not look

in general.

Vivid> No, I did a chunk. Same
Technogen, Marazm ...

Sair00s> You're just an era of multicolor not found, in 
principle. 

Vivid> No, I have a bunch of demos Multicolor
seen, but for some reason now ...

Sair00s> Did you see them, but you do not make them.

Vivid> Well, maybe because I do not
did ...

Sair00s> And I made them, though they do not ...

Vivid> Okay, let's call it a day here ...

Elf> Era multicolor returns generally
on the go.

Sair00s> Nope.

Vivid> But we'll see.

Sair00s> No, well, now, now may
What about now, I agree. It is now a bazaar.

Vivid> How long can occupy the first place? 1999-th, 2000 th, 
all give as says young road. Well, of course, we

there are not going to ask for handouts. As
states: "The young always have the road
old people everywhere we honor. "So you are here
made his own, forever in the history included.

Elf> I hope you are still not only
History ...

Sair00s> Yes, we have not yet history.

Vivid> We have already done its contribution, we have
as though history is. And we are here
bypass the same Screamer, and it will be
at the peak of fame ...

Sair00s> And we enjoy the fruits of
ee - crap, praise be to listen to us - emotionally ...

Vivid> Well, you may begin to cost
month earlier DeMouy do ...

Sair00s> Wine, women, work, etc.

Screamer> 17 days of birth.

Pheel> problems with all the same ...

Sair00s> And by the way, you have music in Deme,
Frankly speaking, not the topic. Surely no one
you can not normally write a demo track?

Vivid> We have the music if someone hack
it's me, and I'm hammered ...

Sair00s> No, well, I mean - do not you
in the group. Why can not there, I do not know
someone from Fenomen or from somewhere else.

Elf> Yes, Fatal Snipe is generally cool
writes!

Vivid> I do not know. Because Fenomen far, and we deme is 
written in parallel with music.


Sair00s> You know, e-mail reduces the distance.

Vivid> No, well, I know I can not go to him
say: That's it would look like effect, while he will not see 
it, this musician from the same Fenomen, he also general ...


Sair00s> You know, I do not write music for
effect, I first write the music, then write back effects. Right 
now in this Deme - LifeForms, in her music was written by

effects, ie there was no time, had
Share Music. Music from this
suffering in general. But if you listen to track, its in your 
head to digest, think that there can be inserted, etc.


Vivid> Do not we have music at this time, she
turned out worse than last time. Meant in the sense that almost 
no relation to the effects: effects of music go once, side by 
side, and sometimes quite not the topic.


Sair00s> We do the same. Well, now
it is already clear.

Vivid> Yes, suxx.

Sair00s> over time.

Elf> You would be better to remain silent as long as there
so many people.

Sair00s> From our demos I still
sick, in principle. I felt sick when I
its rivet. I just felt sick. There's this one,
fucking standing start, restart ...

Vivid> Well, you have to rivet on the 128-m usual
computer.

Sair00s> However, with this, flashed with EWS,
there, the memory does not clean it, etc.

Vivid> Well, anyhow, if the effect
all of the pages is almost as their
putting nowhere.

Sair00s> I have a maximum of, well, the screen is used and a 
single page. Well, just Storm does not allow. Especially 
reverse. 

Vivid> Storm in writing, or what?

Sair00s> Sure.

Vivid> No, we are in the Zx-asm.

Sair00s> And he brake too.

Vivid> He brake. But there is RAM-DISK
supported.

Sair00s> I have no RAM-DISK.

Vivid> So, you'll zhelezyachnikov, no?

Sair00s> I CAM TO EXPAND YOUR MEMORY IN
MY KOMPUTERE, God rest his soul,
PANCAKES! For this I DeMouy 2 bedroom komputera,
3 VG'shki.

Vivid> Well, I still have, fortunately, did not have time to 
burn. Works yet. Since the time of Tryptomine dream.


Sair00s> I looked up the posting, and I
feet on the battery was. And, probably, so PHH-X! Something 
struck. Mentally. 

Elf> Where do you get at least VG'hi in such
amounts?

Sair00s> And in my motherboard. In burned.

Elf> Ah! Sometimes we do that causes problems.

Sair00s> Yes we have them in principle.
Fifty kopecks for sale.

Kurleson> We even have AY in coins.

Elf> And we, by the way, guys are finding.
Well, VG'shki something can be more.

Sair00s> VG'shki possible, but AY, with
problem.

Elf> Yes, but. Okay, let's wish our computers long life ...