Adventurer #13 31 марта 2002

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Chaos Construction 2001 - continuation of the epic dispute between megakoderami Vivid and Sairoos.

Elf> In fact, as the MMA said that
you into turbo-mode byla deme shows?

Sair00s> Yes, it happened.

Elf> And what for you have done so? What for?

Sair00s> What's the point, you tell me the meaning,
there is no sense in principle.

Screamer> I've seen it at night and in turborezhime, and in 
normal mode. Ie if she, she is different then in the brake a 
little. Anyway because Sair00s - the best, You do not 
challenge, right? 

Elf> Yes, yes, wait a minute, but in general, why he does this 
say? 

Sair00s> To know, for sure. To vote - it is a turbo, it's not a 
turbo. 

Screamer> You can, in principle, without a turbo
show and tell the people, appreciate those who
better!

Chasm> I've just heard a few times:
"Here, there turbo, it will be really slow."

Sair00s> Now here was a multicolor - he
Sucks, sucks by definition. This one here
I did not like porridge quite simply.
I do not know they could find - the background
there blue, there is, the object is red, damn.
I do not know, or blue background, the object is there - any at 
all. 

Chasm> Max, come here, with Sair00s'om's talk (to the 
Unbeliever ', y). 

Unbeliever> I already said - the first deme just sucked.

Sair00s> I do not know. I've been counting on
second place just ...

Chasm> Y Paracels'a slaughter screens, simple.

Unbeliever> No, you know, they all prosrali Pheel'ovskie 
screens in two screen. Pheel drew a killer four screen capable, 
and only the last we've seen. They prosrali them. They showed 
their two screen, and so we did not fucking see it. Pheel 
hunchbacked month, damn, at this case.


Screamer> I have a Deme Mouzon MMcM'a.

Unbeliever> I do not know whose it Mouzon, but the demo, in 
which greetings are running commercials - this is fucked up! 
This ecstasy, of course, is complete. Che else can I say? Well, 
that's where themselves Brainwave? Why are they not with us, 
why we can not in their face to say that they suck! I'm just 
furious at all. 

Elf> Oh, Max, is not so bad.
But since a screen is really something ...

Unbeliever> You know, all the cool effects
had only one screen, those
were not over 2 screens, they are all ok
were. Textured objects. Everything was
cool, but when there was a 2 screen -
all sucked. Doom - this at all - none
did not understand it, this design from Tryptomine
Dream - he just has not changed.

Elf> I do not know really why they
design in the same left?

Unbeliever> Tryptomine Dream is still possible
to watch, but when the two demos with a single
design - it just sucks. Well I do,
just in frustration in full.

Screamer> Many saw Life Forms (meaning the night when deme 
finish). Brainwave not seen. Maybe they now realize that suck?


Unbeliever> I still do not understand, here in
fucking Sair00s'a have FX, both in the x-file
'Ah. There's a obektik turns, fucking ball, and out of the 
fuckin 'vector. He just his fourth year will not release.

Where it saves him, I just do not know.

Sair00s> I mean, right now with this
garbage: there do not know, in short realtime demo
coding - it suxx, whore.

Screamer> Max - it is true that a star in
Rizk'e Sair00s kodil?

Unbeliever> None.

Sair00s> Yes-ah. Ah-ah-ah!

Unbeliever> Actually, there were some
source Sair00s'a, which I brought from
Travel the carpeted. Alk they studied,
of course, but I do not know how it was all
but Alk'a were like their engines already
before. And we yuzali Engines Alk'a, and
Indeed, this chip with breaks, which
there is present, it is present only
for one reason - this is 3D, when the star rotates, the 3D, in 
certain settings, can fall out. Fall out by mistake. And this 
mistake Alk'om is indicated as a blue screen. How would, of 
course, Rizk'e it's all been gutted, and it could only be on 
the turbo-machine. 

Screamer> Max!

Unbeliever> Yes.

Screamer> Listen here.

Sair00s> I know my buggy goraud, He
buggy, this goraud 98-year, it is buggy!

Unbeliever> Sair00s, maybe I'm not right now
suction, possibly, Alk already written at that time, maybe I 
gave him, your sources he has seen. I remember when we were 
crowded when the envelopes of their Storm'a, I remember it 
perfectly. 

Screamer> dick, He fag, right now, damn, dick
Fingering, probably!

Unbeliever> Was it Rip'om or not -
Now I can not say for sure. He
There were five of their source.

Screamer> dick he his dick Fingering!

Chasm> said Screamer.

Screamer> and dirty curse.

Unbeliever> And when we did DeMouy I
said: "Do you have a fuckin 'sources,
they were a year you are, let me fucking star. "All I told him. 
As He gave it to me, I do not know. But here's a trick

because that's the blue screen went only because of this effect 
because this effect could fall out, the Alk'a was a trap,

on the inrush, and he caught the trap blue
screen. Then I told him: "What's on
dick, is the difference? Is it time to hang up on the whole
DeMouy blue screen, of course, if the Break'u fall out. "

Sair00s> And, incidentally, the only thing I
I can say Arty - he was wrong.

Unbeliever> A Th he said?

Sair00s> Well, we - the second and Brainwave -
first.

Unbeliever> I'll say the same,
because Brainwave win just because they were the last. But 
turbo taxis altogether. I believe in the turbo. 

Sair00s> I do not know me, I fell in love KAY,
to be honest. More precisely than by the fact that
it kodit - he hangs constantly. I
he had become tired through the roof. I can not see him again.

Unbeliever> Kay sucks! So, Nemo, shorter
today came specially just because
what we told him that his competence will be shown first in the 
demo compo. He pinned with the aim to show, he told me that his 
PC will give 20% growth of turbo Scorpion'a.


Sair00s> I do not know, I've seen on this Kay
DeMouy, I saw on Scorpion. With the turbo - by dick,
odnohuystvenno. Seen at the Pentagon. On
Pentagon, well, slow.

Screamer> Max, do you remember when the first
place in all fairness exhibited?

Unbeliever> first place, in all fairness, the demo got Shit for 
brains at Enlight'97 and only after a recount.


Sair00s> Not at the expense of first place in
justice - it has got Napalm'u
on Di-Halt'99.

Chasm> Good joke.

Unbeliever> No, well, actually, I think we will not knowingly 
give Di-Halt 'sheep dokodit their DeMouy, she amused the 
masses, just exclusive. 

Sair00s> No, really soulful deme.

Unbeliever> Ie they finally came out
urn di: halt, and come to a complete Halt: Di
Finally!

Chasm> Here Brainwave finally.

Sair00s> Whose deme better? Yours?

Unbeliever> Listen, I'm sorry, but you
completely destroyed my hopes. I, the whore
thought you show us the juicy code, you
just disappointed me. I do not know. As
so you could work at all.

Sair00s> Not really, Max, you know,
what's the problem? Max, wait.

Unbeliever> Come on.

Sair00s> The problem you know what? Do you now
This here is the 3d-shnaya porridge, excuse me,
mess you have there was. Well, a mess on the screen? Ugh, damn, 
go on from here on dick. 

Chasm> It's been said axi ...

Sair00s> But, this is the porridge, you know,
So I now look, here's the background I see is normal - working 
sincerely at all. Here, object, there is spinning ... it 
creates, you know, the impression: RND on the screen throw,

damn, that's so, read from ROM. There's no
phong'a, nor tmap'a, nothing at all.

Vivid> Tmap there.

Sair00s> I understand. I see that tmap
there, you know, I understand. Here pisyukovets, damn, is in 
the red pants, damn - He did not see.


Unbeliever> The main mistake - it's all
two - on-screen effects, of course: two screens of different .. 
You prosrali it all, absolutely, Pheel '-native images. Their 
none simply not seen. That Ass! And that's all

effects that were in one screen, multicolor'nye they are 
taxiing. 

Screamer> Adventurer # 13 will steer forever, Scream will suck 
forever! 

Elf> Come on, Scream also nishtyak -
wait a second number, do quickly!

Unbeliever> Doom nobody understood clearly. Initially, simple.

Sair00s> Vivid, listen - your next
deme should be chunk'ah in anyone.
You see, I believe in you.

Unbeliever> You have to believe in chunks,
understand? You have to go back to the roots.

Sair00s> Come on you dick! I will express wishes, damn!

Screamer> quiet whore! Sair00s said.

Sair00s> Wait, I Vivid'u wishes
Say it all. In short, the encoder you really
from God, well I feel. In multicolor'e
zabatsat such garbage, it really is
real code. Indeed, the hand you
shake, etc. If you're going to do it all in chunk'ah - will do 
really look.


Vivid> Your deme has indulged in the turbo ...

Sair00s> I mean, multicolor ...

Unbeliever> We had the opportunity,
and I was happy that we let her in the turbo.

Sair00s> I mean, you know, we do not
allowed at the Pentagon. In principle, this is
same.

Screamer> Vivid, you may wish to
I accept it? The following Deme, if you will do something - do 
4x2. 

Sair00s> There's not obvious that there turbo.

Screamer> make 4x2 - will fucking.

Unbeliever> I mean when you say
end of the world, I thought that it was true
it would be something ...

Vivid> We are about the end of the world said nothing.

Sair00s> At the expense of what, I'm not your deme
liked it. Soundtrack general obsos,
obsos, it sucks, damn! Sorry, musician
you have complete crap! These funky here,
damn, this shit! I can not stand them,
Well I do not know the funk - it's shit, damn! On
zx'e it does not sound completely, damn!

Unbeliever> Then, the main thing - it oblomny design that you 
have stayed with Tryptomine Dream. 

Sair00s> Yes, at the expense of the Tryptomine
Dream 'ovsky design ...

Vivid> It sucks.

Elf> Wait, it does not suck. One deme - okay, but the second 
time - shit happened. 

Sair00s> claim, you know what else,
Deep, whore. Pictures flogged,
damn.

Unbeliever> You ruined Pheel '-native images, unambiguously.

Sair00s> you they had to show -
Here they are, here it is - the picture. Here's the latest 
picture you have been - it's cool at all! I do not know you for 
those pictures, you only have to give the first place. 

Screamer> the fuck knows, I Mouzon MMcM'a too
prosral for so damn. He had long been written, was written for 
demos LFG. 

Vivid> In 3D - we have 25,000 cycles per int'e freely.

Sair00s> Do you, I agree, totally agree everything. Here's what 
I saw there was a realtime, odnoznachno is 3D. In general, I

agree, you're cool coder. But you know, first of all, it is 
hindered, in general, wildly retarded, whore. Secondly, there 
was no fucking see. 

Unbeliever> I mean, 4x4 - it's just
2D can be. Only 2D, unequivocally. Yes.
It is impossible.

Sair00s> You know what chunks is better? Meanwhile,
that squares are not visible. In short, the following
deme from you in the chunk should be. This is love. I am 
responsible. 

Vivid> go quietly you do not give!

Sair00s> Next deme of you should
be. Either way.

Unbeliever> You understand that deme, that
the one feature they did, well, it
Diver started with us. It has long been known. Ie Colorno 
picture on the background of chunks. That was cool. And they 
seem to have developed this topic. They are normal, they 
otsosali this Theme from Diver 'ovskogo invitation. And this

normal.

Sair00s> No, we do not suck ...

Unbeliever> And it looks.

Sair00s> Max, listen to me here! This idea
we are not sucked out of nowhere. This idea was born
in me, after I do not know, after beer, etc. etc.

Screamer> The idea of ​​them both were born.

Sair00s> When I went to Paracels'u I
improvised at all, in theory, conceived, can you imagine, here, 
Dema - solid picture here, imagine a big picture. Generally 
healthy. Then shows the first part, its second part of its 
third part. And it goes without interruption, in general, it is 
absolutely continuously. Was supposed to go. But it did not 
work out. This did not work because it was realtime demo coding.


Unbeliever> Actually chip is
that one should interfere with the resolution
another resolution. You see, when we
exhibited at this fucking Rizk'e my
face, the chips was not that this mug
was. Chip, chip was in fact
that chunks lie on an ordinary picture. And this idea a long 
time in me vital. And just because we suck at the usual 
picture, we had a white noise in the background. White noise is 
symbolized, then it is total freedom. Understand. Then

that pixel, the pixel is independent. And this
Sucked idea, of course it was a little
who is known for, but in 2000 the SS here,
when we were on Friday, I said everything that we know it, it's 
our lime 16-second chunk. He's clear, we are all

it is put. But never was unreleased. To us - ever!

Screamer> Max, the 2000th was in Melange,
and EI.

Unbeliever> Yes there was!

Screamer> Well, I do not know if you have previously
done.

Unbeliever> Chunky over pixels! Pixels below chunks on top! 
This chip. 

Screamer> Did you come up with something?

Unbeliever> Yes, it was my personal idea.

Screamer> Che-Well, you fucking Max, not kodish - then, eh?

Unbeliever> I? My fx home lies in Larkova. This I will say it 
again. Fullscreen, that flies back and forth 50 fps.


Vivid> We have these multicolor'y many hopes pinned. Not 
everything is justified. 

Sair00s> Here, Che did not like the sharp,
so this mess on the screen, damn, well ...

Vivid> That's because of these here multicolor
'S, there is Th ... polygons, here, 15 of the force, see how it 
works. 

Sair00s> That's really, I see
damn. Tmap, there, I do not know, phong, there
I do not know it was all done. I do not see
In this sense, I'm here, I see, damn, von -
porridge, damn. In the foreground - porridge. I
Here schA here in this, the Life Forms to insert,
you know Che? That there on the backgrounds - such black some 
texture limitless, for this reason, damn. Because me, there's 
someone out there said that all the blends, so I interjected. 
Contrastly, etc. Even when, in fact, in our

turbo show up, your no ... No, no ..
Here is the turba noticeable, in my opinion, to FX'ah
2-3-no more. You know, where the obvious?
That is so, the triangles with these ...

Vivid> Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sair00s> There are now visible. Then, on greets'ah noticeable 
at all. And yet, there ... 

Vivid> Bump.

Sair00s> Yes, that bump, there were 25 general
fps. Here at this clearly. Otherwise,
already ... Brake, they brake and Africa ... So I do not know 
your next de must be chankah, I say. 


Vivid> Hoping for these multicolor'y ...

Sair00s> Do you agree, in general? The results of this party 
that multicolor sucks? 

Vivid> Well, you know, if your work does not
was, then it would certainly not sucked away.

Paracels> I disagree.

Sair00s> Well, you know, here, here, has agreed to the main 
encoder Brainwave. 

Paracels> I disagree.

Stanly> No, seriously. There are some things
I liked.

Paracels> A little bit better, and it would be
all very cool, and as cool as it would be
general ohrenet.

Stanly> Well, when the eyes of the tunnel
goes - it was cool!

Paracels> Simply, the palette had to pick up objects and 
background separately. And then there is no currently no Life 
Forms would not sdelala. We now would have been in the ass,

simple.

Elf> By the way, fractal - is this too
realtime, that's impossible?

Sair00s> Anima.

Vivid> It's not animation.

Elf> How can this be, wait?

Vivid> 28 intermediate phases, zooming in
realtime goes. I have a total of 28 phases.

Sair00s> Let's discuss it.

Vivid> I have 28 phases calculated in advance on the PC
they occupy a 30Kb. Is generated 868 kB

Sair00s> this anime?

Unbeliever> Between them, what are you doing?

Elf> And, between them in realtime zooming,
huh?

Vivid> There's an animation no more than you
in Dogma, you zooming this somewhere in the ass flies.

Unbeliever> Ie you intermediate frames
restores the PC-shnym frames and all.

Vivid> Yes.

Unbeliever> This is normal.

Vivid> 32 frames! Can you imagine that
it?

Sair00s> A n and th!

Unbeliever> Rst with ocular pain SUCKS! ..

Sair00s> Max quiet!

Unbeliever> .. sucks against them zumminga!
SUCKS!

Vivid> We could start up in 28 seconds, well, it so as not to 
delay it now so.


Unbeliever> zooming was cool.
Sair00s> If possible, I'm a little bit, a little, I say without 
bumazhechki. 

Vivid> Come on, so to speak.

Sair00s> You know you counted 32 frames. So?

Vivid> 28.

Sair00s> or 28. let it be. You see, here are 28 frames here, 
you're their interpolated, or do not know what you did there 
with them. 

Vivid> I've increased them in realtime.

Sair00s> ... it's all I agree, but this
All the same anim, you remember the account of a
What we are arguing with you?

Elf> Ie it turns out that you are not computed fractal, right?

Sair00s> Yes, yes, yes, fractal, fractal you
not considered. You're just zooming ...

Elf> No, well you've done something cool ..

Vivid> Okay, zooming, if that's Tigra
I am 28 father of images ...

Sair00s> Well, you know, Mandelbrot, he
the idea here is, if ...

Vivid> A who believes it realtime?

Elf> No, I say it's cool, I
ofigel, that is, you say that this is realtime, but I also 
understand that this is impossible. 

Sair00s> Do not realtime. You know why? By
one simple reason - because you do not
consider myself Mandelbrot, its not you think. There is no 
fractal. You're the formula do not think.


Elf> Yes.

Vivid> Animation, is if I had every shot
did.

Elf> Ie so to say, it's not animation, but
not fractal. This is not rialtaymovy fractal.

Vivid> As a fractal, it is not realtime. As
zooming - this is realtime.

Elf> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sair00s> We argue with you, remember to
How? That that's where the camera goes here,
You write off the scene, projected, or there do not know. 3D 
coordinates scene, then you are projecting, etc. This

Anim. We're agreed on this.

Vivid> And if I'm not the coordinates of each frame, and, say, 
here, the coordinates of each 20-second shot?


Sair00s> And this is not care, the same as interpolation, it 
takes, on the strength of 200 strokes. Everything. There's 
nothing more she does not take. 

Vivid> and if I do it in realtime, consider,
it would be just as good looking?

Sair00s> It would look crappy! But
it would be realtime.

Vivid> At Spectrum, each frame was calculated to more than a 
minute. 

Elf> Clearly, it is understandable.

Sair00s> But it would be a re-al-time. But
what we have seen, it was anime.

Elf> No, but you do something wrong, it was not
animation, it was not rialtaymovy fractal
That's it.

Sair00s> It was not and is not anime, and not
rialtaymovy fractal. It was zooming'om.

Elf> And you did the right thing, you're right
did not become a realtime these shots
considered.

Vivid> Okay, but if, as if Tigra
drawn, here, 28 images. Intermediate phase has given birth 
would somehow in Photoshop? Then would it be? It would be a 
animation, or ... 

Elf> Oh no, you would still have these gaps zumil in real time.

Sair00s> matter what, you did not realtime Mandelbrot, you had 
a realtime zooming. 

Elf> But you made it so cool that it
was like a realtime Mandelbrot.

Vivid> and, in zooming'e each frame
4 times more than the previous one.

Sair00s> Well, it's natural, I agree.

Vivid> That, and, as they are unpacked in realtime.

Sair00s> I agree with.

Vivid> 10 cycles in int'e freely. And it must be
in time, ie if DeMouy Scorp'e to run, it will be seen, even as 
they are unpacked. 

Sair00s> No, I agree.

Elf> Nobody said it made
cool. An idea that you're here is now applied, it nishtyak.

Sair00s> Made something cool, but, but it is not
was Mandelbrot realtime. Was not. With this
you have to agree.

Vivid> Yes, but some people take it.

Sair00s> Well, yes, I agree, really
it is not illegal hold.

Elf> Clearly, it is understandable. Nobody
says, made a nishtyak, and most importantly it is here, this 
here's an idea that you have it here so applied, no one can say 
that this bad.


Sair00s> Yes, Scodie you it's great.

Vivid> I specifically wrote the prog on the PC,
it is buggy even on Megus' Mr. comp, here
which is precisely these splines draws a path for doom'a.

Sair00s> enough is enough. Coder you from God.
If your next deme will be 4x4 c2p,
you win, I say.

Vivid> Che, Igor, do not go then?

Sair00s> I say no. That's it, here in
This time you win it in any but
note for the future that your next deme should be chunk, a not 
in this goddamn multikolore where fucking is not clear, but 
only healthy squares on the screen. 

Elf> Use both. In my opinion,
this is cool that you said Sair00s
as a coder, you've got the code simply murder.