Scenergy #02
31 декабря 1999

Illegal Corner - Razzlers justified for the release of the demo First Association.

<b>Illegal Corner</b> - Razzlers justified for the release of the demo First Association.
Author's vocabulary and spelling retained.


 -. La'll be! or something about the FA. -

    As many probably guessed,
now go about dismantling the article in
BornDead # 0D, which severely Unbeliever
poured Razzler'ov whole tub of shit ...
Strictly speaking, this is it for nothing ...

    Okay, we will deal later, the benefit
us a lot of things I want to say about
Samara FU, so to speak, their release is far
DO NOT fountain, how they paint.

    For those who still do not know, immediately
explain what was going on. But the fact that
appeared two releases of the same demos
First Association, one - Novgorod,
performed by a group of Razzlers, and another -
Samara made Speed
Code / XTM / Sage / SOK (underline).
And everything is nothing, but that's something the rest
does Unbeliever'y our release. Maybe
Toad's Eating? ;) Hereinafter, if
said "our release," it means release
from Razzlers. FA, FS, etc. - Is
Short of First Association. I hope
everything will be clear. Preferably after
reading to practical
(Laboratory) classes in view of both
releases and, having made a report, choose
a suitable option.

    To begin with, that "theirs" version of graphs
At the time of "his" we have not seen
by the way, sorry, but that would take into account their
miscalculations and made their release even better.
Well, it does not matter. To begin the story
"Our" graphs. It all started with that Cryss
to view the graphs are not in the emulsion, and the
real Speccy, dragged all the parts on
TRDos-drives. Later came
proposal to release not only for
themselves but also for the people. On such actions
in Samara, we did not know ...

    As time went on ... Part sly
repackages and FIX'ilis until
just under the Scorpio. I must say that we
initially did not hurry to work, but
After suggestions from Arty / DR on
inclusion of graphs in the annex to Scenergy # 1
which was soon to appear,
work went much faster. It was then
took shape and overall style of the release,
pondered manager and intro, was carried out
FIX under the Pentagon and Composit. Wanted
upihat all on two discs. After full
repackage it became clear that though burst,
two standard disk FA will not fit.
Born the idea of ​​three discs ... Through
some time swept aside as unnecessary and
uninteresting. Thought out
psychodelic-manager for the 48x parts. He
adopted. After some time, the 48th
CD compiled and work begins on the 128M.
In the midst of the work we learn about
conducting the same work in Samara.
Stop it was too late, and we
yet completed the 128y drive
non-standard format that everyone got
throat. And there already and output
Scenergy # 1 with "our" FA in the appendix.
After posting all yuyukov in echo
ZX.SPECTRUM start screaming: "How is it
See?. Especially is washed
idiotic statement: "Once it is in. TD0 -
only means for emulators! ". Are you
never Teledisk'a not seen? Bummer is,
that we have in Novgorod started having problems with
FIDO, which continue to this day.
Duc Now, because of this I could not
write to the echo and just sat there, read it in
Online and mother ... After some
time found intelligent people who all all
explained that for them, and thank you.

    SS'999 time approached.
Retell the report I will not tell
only a few moments. At night, after
the first day I was caught somewhere Arty / DR and
reported that behind the scenes on the stage is
conversation about our release graphs. Taking his
discs, after a while I came over
scenes. There are people copied each
friend everything that can be rewritten. I
yelled that he had brought the 3rd and 4th disk of
Scenergy # 1 and what was our FA. And, incidentally,
sorry, that before the MMA has not seen our release,
but we have not seen their version. Probably
ensued would be an interesting argument, but it was
expressed some lingering observation that
how bad do non-standard format.
Type in Scorpio with screws pebble
converged ... And that can no longer drive and a
drive to shove, all necessary to screw?
In my opinion, you can be patient and then two
disc.

    So it all was and how it all
left before the release of BD # 0D, where we
found these lines: ... Although we proceed
so I now I will take some statements
from that article and a little of their
comment. This will help me
Cryss, which, strictly speaking,
tinkered with this unfortunate demoy. Ok? Well,
then went to disassemble it Unbeliever'a:
<<... In the detailed consideration of "Nenashev"
version of the FA, like me, and came MAXSOFT
simply in panic. How? How can
was so zasrat ...>> etc.
AS> What are you there so scared? And what

    we're there, let me ask

    how do you say "zasrat? No, I do not

    I say that our release is just

    perfect, but it also did not horse-radish

    name. After all the work was

    done a fairly large and therefore

    hear such baseless and not

    evidence-based statements

    Several hurt.

    Further, there are lines like:
<<... Sitting in a sweat, trying to do
really high-quality, full and
closest to the original release ...>>
AS> About the closeness to the original let

    keep quiet. Least because

    original it is. TAP'e rather than

    TR-Dos'nyh disks, and do not pack it

    Hrust'om, and there is no manager, and only

    especially the intro. By the way, on your intro

    also has a few words, but this

    later.
<<... And here come the pioneers and arch
fingers under the angles of these ...>>
AS> For the "pioneers" of course, thanks, but

    where we have toes arches? Yes, and under

    some angles. Confusing ... More

    An interesting phrase:
<<... Better to put people in place immediately,
that did not arise in the future such
Conflict ...>>
AS> Mother! Where we have a conflict

    situation? We are in any conflict is not

    climb, because we are pacifists, but only

    half ... :) And here we are still on

    a place to put together, like we

    somewhere climbed. Such a phrase is

    with some sort should be presented, such as "we are the most

    steep and, as a major

    principle regulator Spectrum

    scene Razzler'ov put in place. "and

    once a child, "but I, like, in

    Dad's pants ...". Be careful with

    such phrases ... But I have to

    According to cling to.

    Further, already wrote Maxsoft:
<<... At what can the pioneers? Two
disc. Cool! But a drive is formatted
outside the box. Suxx. If the right on this
disk was copyist, but it is not ...>>>
AS> Pioneers are capable of much, then, they

    and pioneers. And that's what you so

    non-standard format does not suit you?

    Without exception all of you with the screws on the real

    Speccy or what? In the emulator. FDI is not

    connect? Of course, this all causes

    some inconveniences, but in my opinion,

    It's worth it. A copyist is in

    annex to Scenergy # 1, but can we

    follow your example and make

    fixpack, who cram and copier

    to disk, only here it is troublesome ...
<<... Intro. Some of it very much
Good, but how these alterations Amiga
Danish Wheels by Melon Design tired ...>>
AS> Well, and then not please! What do we

    annoy you so? And what about the fact that

    you are sick of the intro, but where else Dyk

    such as the intro is that they have so

    get it? And that's what I want to say

    What about your intro. No doubt, it is

    steep (and even 48k), I congratulate

    Monster'a. BUT! This is not cracktro!!!

    It would be better released it somewhere

    separately, and so she's there anyway

    sewn, or fasten. And what about

    our intro, so it's inspiration from the

    pisishnogo cracktro by

    Hetero/Razor1911, but now she zakos

    by Melon Design'ovskoe. Such is the

    history. You might think that a little

    effects passed on to other Speccy

    platforms, and you absolutely have to

    this latch ...
<<... Pentagon somehow askew made -
Full-screen multicolor mows ...>>>
AS> On the emulator look? Your multicolor

    too far from the line, and in some places it

    generally not noticed. And, incidentally, that

    most part of the Speccy Boyz, where

    Multicolor many pictures at all

    not gone to the Pentagon. And where she went,

    Duc steadily slows down at the moment

    clear the screen.
<<... Does not change the part, the
which is seen as the regenerated
Screen ...>>
Cr> I somehow do not know whether you will give us

    advise further alienate our

    release from the original, whether it yourself

    deal done.
<<... Selection of parts FA do enough
original, but the sounds at the same time
- I advise to listen to after last night: * (
To kill the authors you want ...>>
Cr> What you do not like psychedelic

    sounds in the 48th manager? Or on

    There is more to criticize something

    nothing. Maybe you both like

    is the manager that you can not

    break away from him and watch taschites

    from spinning gear, cursing at

    was worth the howling of the envelope?

    Frankly, I doubt. Well, that

    your manager to get the desired

    part to be a sniper.
<<... Parts ordered by the authors. But
if you want to watch someone else
epilogue, then wait for all the other parts
very uncomfortable ...>>
Cr> And here is something you are mistaken. The point

    that you can try during the

    Download the 48th to hold the parts or

    button 'S' button or 'M'.

    The result of their actions will not take

    a long wait. If you do not yet

    understood, then we explain: 'S'kip-pass

    part, 'M'anager-out in the manager.
<<... Can not be inserted in the two drives both
disc at once or even want ...>>
AS> Why?? Both discs are absolutely

    independent. Wanted to see 128e

    part - insert a disc, wanted 48e

    - Another. When you load in the beginning

    in large letters (more figures)

    specify which disc is loaded. All

    simple and clear. In general, it is possible and

    insert, suffer from it will not,

    however, it is better - too ...
<<... Playlist as such there is no ...>>
AS> Here's what not, that do not. Like

    of course, but we later changed their minds. All

    well, more than once to watch FU

    hardly anyone would be, and just "so that

    was "to do extra work not

    wanted. However, your release is also not

    burdened by the presence playlist.
<<... Intro, where proudly listed razzlersy not
skipaetsya ...>>
AS> ... because at the end of the intro you

    invited to choose FIX and type loader

    48go to drive.
<<... Just watch the entire demo from scratch,
from beginning to end, it is
impossible ...>>
Cr> ... but if you will choose the regime

    view demos so to speak

    NON-STOP'om, it has fallen out of her

    back to the manager somehow did not

    obtained: (And on top of that,

    selection of such a very long keys as

    space, this is very doubtful

    function in our opinion very

    unwise.
<<... After parts (while loading)
show different pictures. They
"Manifest" rotator, which in
the original was not. Good course
rotator, but only here in the original
Pictures of certain authors show
after their parts. In Razzlerov pictures
are shown as they please ...>>
AS> randomly selected only

    Pictures with cassette and diskette

    the rest are left to their places. In

    Your release also has some

    "Liberty", for example, with what you have

    Part of LaserSoft and Busy'Noro

    (Called Toxy) merged into

    one item? Because both are small?

    So all to be honest with us. A

    rotator there pretty good

    looks, and then just boring pictures

    view on startup.
<<... Feel a lack of competent
organizer and beta testers ...>>
AS> Gy! ;)
Cr> People, have you never looked at

    his release from? Never

    run it on a real Spectrum with

    one drive? I, of course,

    understand how convenient to connect the emulsion

    three disks, and so to say, "not clicking

    gate drive "immediately have

    access to all the Deme. But when you

    offered after every 48th

    part of the back to load from disk to memory

    manager, instead of

    by saving it in any of

    128 pages of them, then

    simply throw much needed

    then, take my word for it strongly

    lacking. I'm not talking about that are not

    is checking on what comp

    deme loaded (meaning

    48/128), and if you started in the

    48th mode (which must be

    do to still look at

    this notorious 48k epilogue), you

    will long wonder why this is

    loaded and the 128th part. The truth here

    For some reason they do not want to work, and

    instead, hang. Why would it? A

    What is warped to

    unrecognizable 'UNBELIVEBALS' instead

    'UNBELIEVABLES'! Surely Unbeliveber,

    or may still be Unbeliever

    so bad fumbles in English.

    A then you are talking about

    our lack of "literate"

    organizer and beta testers.
<<... In part from the Speccy Boys, for example,
a multicolor, which is difficult _ochen_
wait. When you press the same button part
skipaetsya completely. Could skipat
part of it to pieces. In the same part was
borderny effect, which was run
only on Didaktik Gama 48 - it all
thrown out. Either not found or did not
understand how it should work ... As
at least under the "Scorpio is fixed without any problems,
as a maximum - sm.samarskoe FA! ...>>
AS> I somehow do not understand this expression ...
Cr> We do not claim that our release

    perfect and not without flaws.
<<... Also release no: firm
"System test", "48kb epilogue", the picture
"Change disk "...>>
Cr> Perhaps we are a little heated, throwing

    system test, considering it an explicit

    attachment to all sorts of two A and other

    proprietary company for the unusual

    TR-DOS release, the more so because his entire

    are reduced to describing the alteration

    Boot FA for different systems. Well

    where do you think we should

    picture (if you can call it that)

    "Change disk" to sew? After all, drives a

    We are completely independent.
<<... A 48k part moved into the ranks
128th ...>>
AS> And by its name hard to guess

    it is an epilogue to one of the 128h

    parts? Namely to Mentasm. Therefore,

    she goes after him and everything is clear.

    And what are you, offer to look

    part, then change the drive and watch

    epilogue to her? No, thank you!
<<... C such "thinning" can be
to all and a two-disc standard
fit ...>>
AS> It is impossible!
<<... Razzler'ovskie coders have tried to
fame and managed more than 8 times
"Speed ​​up" the generation of chess
donut ...>>
AS> C'mon really pin up, painfully, he

    bored. You're also accelerated,

    which incidentally is not in favor of the question of

    According to the original, as was

    stated above.
Cr> Besides, there was only one coder, and he is

    do all the work for repacking,

    writing the intro and the two managers,

    one wrote all the downloaders and collected

    the whole thing into a pile. (Credits to watch

    at least sometimes be, not to write in the BD,

    that the demo version of WORMS in the annex to

    Scenergy # 1 of Razzlers).
<<... In part K3L still there
"Full" IM2 loader, but it is buggy
in a black ...>>
Cr> But there, in at least the music is not

    howls, and quite simply

    off if the next part is not

    time to boot.
<<... Pictures out there on the "square" is not
optimized ...>>
AS> It was not necessary ...

    And here is the epilogue to all states:
<<... If you want to have in their
collection of disk version FA megademo,
that's cool does not match
original ...>>
AS> Pro to the original we are silent,

    remember?
<<... Fixed a crooked ...>>
AS> If you look on the emulator, you can

    be, but we all had fixed a

    exactly. So the question to your company,

    only do not regard this as

    another call to alter iron

    by software.
<<... On disks with non-standard format
(Owners of the screws are gone abyss )...>>
AS> Owners of the screws you just

    remember it - live with

    real diskovertom.
Cr> So why did you do

    multtikolorny fix only under

    Pentagon, and about the same Scorpion, with

    screw that, forget?
<<... And without any explanatory
Text ...>>
AS> What is there to explain something? Here to explain 
something 

    and non-Th-th! I must say that your

    explanatory text has a small

    "Artistic value". True,

    that you have a cool, Duc is that in

    Included is "First Association

    Preview ", it does not have happened if

    all desire.
Cr> Actually, FA is an application to

    SCENERGY, and all you have to

    call it, the explanation is just there somewhere and

    written. Did you write that <

    ... Scenergy does not count ... >>.
<<... Then First Assotiation Megademo
released by Razzlers - this is for you !...>>
AS> I also can say something like:

    Do you really want instead of the version

    Razzlers, have in their collection

    Samara version of the graphs, which has no

    normal fixation, and one that is

    executed on an emulator, which

    parts are not organized into groups, where

    no fixes old bugs and added

    New? Do you want to earn

    hernia, moving the drives? Of course,

    if you have not three drives. And

    in general, for more convincing, I

    give so say the "script"

    view of the graphs, to sow discord

    (Probably in a bourgeois concept and

    a) ... ;)

    So as we look Samara FU for

    forest of honesty, in one drive:
 - Insert the disk into the drive. Here we have
say that Samara FA starts
with only one specific disk
and who is invited to mark as the # 2,
others, therefore, # 0 and # 1. So
Now, very likely is the fact that you do not
the first time insert the correct disk and
crafty fun to tell the loader: insert disk
# 2.
 - If you do not screw with the Scorpion and
autostart TRDos'a, then write the same
LOAD (or who are most familiar - RUN, POKE) and
Loading ... No! Did not the FA, but only
simple boot, already a hundred times seen, and
just out of it we run the FU.
 - Watch the intro. Okay, I am silent. ;)
 - Get into the manager. Well, let's say, for
you first start you and see the intro
entirely, and read the whole text, but
then ... Here here and recall the words of
that our intra skipaetsya not (in general,
Of course, skipaetsya, but not immediately, but
completion of the text output). And here it is
time is more than compensated since we do not
have to go five kilometers on the text to
the nearest part of the name. So, something I
distracted, continue:
 - We see the names of parts. You
going to run something, but the cursor
does not want to get right the first time
exactly where you want.
 - But here's battle with the cursor over, and you
deservedly hope to see some
part, but nifiga, you will be asked to insert
another disc.
 - Part of the load, start,
looks, ends (or pressed
space) and you will again change
disk in the drive - to load
manager, and even if
Have you looked 48yu part.
 - And so on, until torpor or
torn from the permutation discs
abdomen. Although a true spektrumist
nadorvet stomach from prestanovki drives? ;)

    And here is how the view Release
from Razzlers:
 - Insert the disk into the drive. Run.
If you do not know, or you have not marked
drives at once to notice that we will ship -
screen large numbers show disk
with some parts (48/128) in
drive. Moreover, you will learn and then,
which mode you are booting (I
mean 48/128).
 - Watch the intro, after pressing the space
answer to a question about FIX'e and, if
48go disc loader of the type of normal / turbo.
 - Get into the manager.
 - Choose the parts, which group we wanted to
would look. Do not worry, by name
you will be taken soon.
 - Looks the part. Do not like it - at
podgruzku next block hold 'm' and
return to the manager, who, incidentally,
in the case of 48go disk will not be loaded,
but simply transferred from the upper memory.
And on a 128M disk Podgruzka it for you
does not present inconveniences - for wheels
not necessary to change.
 - Etc.

    In general, the look yourself and choose what
that you prefer. Although, I think
Many have already made our choice, and if he
correct, they have freed up extra three
disc.
<<... If the text of obscene words
No, my oral remarks
written is not true ...>>
AS> Similarly ...

    And finally, we list
glitches, observed by us in Samara
release that were not specified above:
1. As part of the Delirium Musical Disaster
present corporate glitch with the cursor
not fixed a while, perhaps, has been reviewed
for proximity to the original;)
2. For some reason on my comp of Illusion
part yield is much earlier than
needed.
3. After some parts to the left of
insert disk # n square with an attribute
pixel meat.
4. Part of Unbelievables Animation with
fuck'om somehow twitches and does not appear
all its phases.
5. For some reason does not always correctly
determined by the disk from which to
to boot. In particular, if
select from the following parts:
Delirium, Busy'Noro or 128 Epilogue, then
incorrectly selected drive you
ensures complete freeze ...
6. In addition to "Unbelivebals" wrong
contains the following names:
"Shiva", "Nighty Crew", "Outtro".

    It is possible that we have something and
overlooked. Of course, in this release too
You can find bugs (and they are there), but at
At least, not as unforgivable.

    Everything! Here I want to finish as
sure you're tired of reading all
the text. Maybe you ask:
"What is the clarification of personal relationships in
pages stsenovogo respected magazine? ".
I will answer you this: now that this thing Unbeliever
started, we will not keep silent, because
Such materials several denigrate our
proud name. :) So if you was
disgusted to read, then, as the saying goes,
"Zvinyayte, gentlemen." And yet, y we have now
There are some problems with the electronic
mail, and write longhand few people
want, so let's communicate through
Scenergy.
 Legend:

       AS> - Andy Simon / RZL

       Cr> - Cryss / RZL

       <<... ...>> - Quote from BornDead # 0D

       with preserved style and

       orthography.

(C) Razzlers'99





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VIP - interviews with Random'a some PC-magazine

Warez Pack - description of Inertia Player.

Warez Pack - description of the demo 1140.

Warez Pack - description of the import demo 'no work'.


Темы: Игры, Программное обеспечение, Пресса, Аппаратное обеспечение, Сеть, Демосцена, Люди, Программирование

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