Discussion - Heresy.

Track: MSF  
Author: Macros/Kotlas town.Best wishz 2u 
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  Good afternoon, comrades! HereJokersomehow
told me about his impressions after
reading the text "Our life" from the third
crows,which is borrowed from the fifth
heresy.By the way, some heresy I recently
I downloaded it, read it... Nothing like that...      
  But let's return to the text. Now I will express
you have your opinion.   you can me
listen, you don't have to read this. Yes you are
you can do anything. And now I will only do
one thing is to express your thoughts.              
  So let's get started.  This is what the author writes
that text:                             

Heresy>                                  
This is the topic. We sit day and night at the computer
and we’re ruining our health and youth, for nothing
realizing that this is allgiven 1 TIME PER
LIFE.                                  

MS> In what life? In this one - yes.          

Heresy>                                  
       ...Now it seems that Life
infinite.  So break off, bros,
You and I have, at best, only years of life
sixty each, and at worst - for someone
Annushka has already spilled her milk and
"the severed head rolled out from under
wheels of a passing tram and
bloody lips whispered: “Here we go.”
I went to get some bread."                  

MS> Well, you chose this path for yourself.
What you write is somehow
Does characterize you?I was more surprised
would, if people instead
Sitting at computers led similar bazaars.
Or in fact they implemented all this.       

Heresy>                                  
                    ...And sixty years -
that's just 720 months.        

MS> What is the cosine of pi? :)         

Heresy>                                  
                                ...And if
take into account that over time our health
let's ruin it completely                   

MS>  Uh, why on earth are we doing this?
Shall we kill it? If you sit 24 hours a day and
looking at the screen from 50 centimeters
lamp record with half-shattered
kinescope, if you knock with your hands on
keyboard, each button of which
called P2K, then - yes. But this is already
your personal problems.   If you have
normal hardware and combine business with pleasure
everyday life...                   
  And you can keep your health perfectly
ditch and without the help of a computer. And an example
I'll give just one -sit and drink.   

Heresy>                                  
                     ...then it will stop
pull on girls - it turns out that you are a victim
We bring the most invaluable things to the computer,
what we have - Youth.              

MS>  Well, comrade, if this is your problem,
then you understand, don’t interfere with us and them. A
I'm telling you - these areyourproblems.       

Heresy>                                  
                         ...This fact is also
didn’t reach our brains, because it seems
that it will always be like this.                   

MS> Are you the only one so smart?    

Heresy>                                  
                       Forever Young! X#y
THERE!                                     

MS>  Why are you sitting there, swearing? Who are you
like this? You didn't choose the best example - yourself.
So these are your personal problems. And not
try to attribute them to everyone.            

Heresy>                                  
here you sit, old, smelly,
useless to no one, old fart and
remember your youth:  "Well damn#, and an asshole
I was!"                             

MS>  It's you, you're sitting. And "he was an asshole" -
it's you too. You would like everything to be
right?  So, what's the problem? Generate
thought form, and everything will be fine.        

Heresy>                                  
            No, so that it’s dawn with the girls
meet or go somewhere on a hike
wave.                                 

MS>  So, and those who didn’t give? Computer? He
whyhe held you by the arms and legs? Heh,
It's your fault currently... Well, tell me you didn’t
so...                                   

Heresy>                                  
         No! I satlong####,and on the keyboard
I've been knocking all day!  So what did you snitch on?

MS>  Well, if you knocked for a day  - this is already
how he likes to talkGunfighter,
pathology... :)                          

Heresy>                                  
Fucking ruined my vision, chronic dislocation
wrists and a crooked figure.   All
youth down the drain!                 

MS>  Well, let's put your personal problems aside,
Let's take just theessence. What if you
Wasn't familiar with computers? Who would you be?
One of those hundreds of skin-headed morons,
walking in circles around the city at night? Booze
I wouldwaste my life on thousands of trifles.
Yes, definitely.  Let's all shave and
let's go drink. And we will listen "Hands
up."   Have you noticed how few
Sinclairists Gopniks?  Gopniks are
people who don't want to think.  They
they swallow everything they are given; and thus
them manage.  And we - we're used to it
think.   Well, read the newspapers - almost
everyone has their own taste in music, which is why
you can't tell about those bald gopniks.         
  You would go to game clubs and play games
quack, and wouldn’t know thatpc-mazday.      
  If I follow your logic, then
philatelists are also people who lived in vain
life.  Have you been collecting... papers all your life? A
ballet dancers dedicated to art
your life - how idiots jumped for 70 years
on stage?  No, comrade, you're wrong. B
absolutely wrong!                           

Heresy>                                  
                        Well, it’s worth it for me
now this Super Virtual Computer
nn-tenth generation, and those programs
what I wrote in those days disappeared into
infinity as unnecessary, and
just because of the poor looking ones among
modern works 2Oxx of the year!             

MS> You forgot about the joy of creation,comrade.This feeling is incomparable to anything. Man
inherited not onlya sinful nature
Adam, but also the creative beginning of God.
People are driven either by the desire for fame,
money and satisfaction
needs,  or  to creativity,
enjoying the result.                 
  What motivates you, and do you like it
your creation? Well, if not, then it's yours
problems.                                

       Escape gathering of neurotic
 teenagers emulating
 linguistic and
 cultural environment, in
 which sublimates them
 subconscious fear of
 hostile reality.           

                                "FIDO"  
                                 A. Basov 

Heresy>                                  
Or an ordinary user who has problems with
communication with other people, absent
fantasy and the like.            

MS>  Who doesn't have this imagination? Already
isn't it yours?                            
  Maybe it is missing from thosehundreds of bald people
Gopniks?                                
  Who has it?                             

Heresy>                                  
                               And here he is
turns on this Life Simulator and goes into
worlds invented by others,              

MS> That's why he's a demiurge ;)                
  In general, what's wrong with other worlds?
Creating a world is easy.  Create. Here isGod
created the world, so what, you're on him
will you eat?                                 

Heresy> ...where he can
to be whoever he wants (or rather, than he
game makers will allow): Great
Savior of the entire universe, who alone
with his hand, he can jokingly deal with a platoon
special forces (but in real life not
will be able to fight back any drunk
moron)                                  

MS>  Uh, wait this is your world with drunks
morons. You created it for yourself.      

Heresy>                                  
        ...or Ultra Cool Racer
Formula 1 (and in real life also on a moped
afraid to sit down).                          

MS> Well... You're driving everything away.          

Heresy>                                  
                 And these comparisons can be
continue ad infinitum.            

MS>  Yes, you are leading everything in the wrong direction,
damn...                                  

Heresy>                                  
                              Going into these
bright realities he is losing strengthHere.
Abstracting from this life he
forgetting how to live at all.               

      -If this is Natasha, Zina, Lyuba, then...
 -Calm down, it's not you anymore!!        

What do we end up with for our selfless
devotion to the computer.   His own, supposedly
A UNIQUE World where we can
feel your importance, realize
belonging to some pseudo-Elite: I don’t
Lamer - I'M COOL!                    

MS>  Who's cool?  Are you cool? And I thought
There's only one cool one of us - Igor (this is the one
about "three thug chords" which he wrote
Kotsoft)                                 

Heresy>                                  
                       Have the opportunity
you'll get caught up in a slang conversation
somewhere on the trolleybus:               
- And I started throwing stacks, right away
saved cycles - along the curb up to half-
us! Rulez!                               
- And my brains were knocked out on Pisyuk, and
then mom died - fucked her
until the morning. We must now look for a new one. Solid
newtroubles! ;)                           

MS>  Well, this only means one thing - about
small human mind.                  

Heresy>                                  
All this is MYTH!!                          

MS> There is such a washing powder :)     

Heresy>                                  
                 Real Life passes
nearby and you are not participating in it.
The computer is your drug.    

MS> Yours, your drug.                 

Heresy>                                  
                                       He
replaces your Life with someone like this
silicone prosthesis, but you don't care
high -stand out from the crowd, the herd, your
Originality.                         

MS> And if you don't stand out, then you
has come to terms with everything. You accept everything. You
I agree with everyone.  Why live then?
They will tell you that lime Vaikule is
rules, and will you be drawn to it?      
  Andwhat makes you stand out?                  

Heresy>                                  
                 Not understanding what it isNOT
TA! The originality with which it stands out from
crowd of dazzlingly beautiful girl or
a young colonel with a military order.     

MS>  Yeah, what was this colonel defending?
Maybe he planted a tree and it cleared
1% of the earth's atmospheric air?           
  He personally took and cut
wires going to the red button?     
  Heh, how far from the truth he is. Who is he?
Who are you? Who are we, finally?                 

Heresy> No,
You have the eccentricity of a cripple with crutches,
The eccentricity of a masochist, tormented
over your own health and psyche. "Ah
I'm not weak tonight
sleep and sit at the computer?!" - you think
you.  It turned out: no, not weak!          

MS>  And during that night you riveted all the texts,
music and graphics, added intro and
released diskzine, threw it on the Internet, it
downloaded by another person. He wrote you a review.
You are happy with your creation, other
the person also appreciated this.And don’t say that
this is virtuality.  In my reasoning
You yourself deny reality more.      
  Wouldn't it be better if all this
night you drank in the company of bald gopniks and
listened to Alena Apina (whose nose
scratch :)?                             
  Who would you be?                         

Heresy>                                  
Citizens,
don't you look at my eyes
red and shaking hands - that's me
reworked.    No, not a lot of money
earned.                               

MS>  I'm saying - money moves people. A
read the Bible and you will understand that
in this case, money isan idol; you to him
worship.                            
  And in general... Well, just like normal
a person can readHeresy,eh?         

Heresy>                                  
           Actually, I didn’t earn much,
this, so to speak, worked for the soul.   

MS>  Well, you're talking.  It's stupidto put
material comes first.            

Heresy>                                  
                                       But
Do we really need this Symbol?
Belonging to the Computer Caste.
MS>  No to me. I'm being held by Speckcompletely different - Creativity.              

Heresy>                                  
What will be left of your programs years from now?
twenty?  Even you won't need them
ourselves.   New technologies are coming -
progress does not mark time. I understand
people who sit at their computers
money.                                  

MS>  Oh, so that's the answer.  you them
you understand, therefore, you think the same way,
just like them. Well, then why are we going to market?    

Heresy>                                  
         And it doesn’t matter: they program
something important or just chasing toys.
They make money from this.  A in
free time they live.               

MS> Forgive me, but with all my
respect for you, what you just
said - this is complete stupidity: living in
free time.                         

Heresy> We're kidding
yourself for free. Here, take it, here's mine
vision, and this is a package of health - yes
don't you look at what is frail - the best
you won't find it here anyway.           

MS> Yes, that's the reasoning.           
  I think differently than him. Yes, and many
probably too.                          
  What, here is the site Scenergy people do, -
All thisin vain,yes,a waste of time?   
  Author, sorry, shit notSpek, not
you and me.  He tried to refute
too many truths.  Truths, and not
speculation and not fantasy.                   
  Yes, we can assume that all this
one big government experiment
- they put us, the experimental subjects, at the computers. But
let us “judge by deeds,” as he teaches
Bible.   Of course, ifyou only notice
negative,  thenyou will come to the conclusion that
"life is a dangerous thing: from it
are dying."