Adventurer #14 30 июня 2003

Интервью

Scene - an interview with the organizers CAFe'2002 - xPasha, Adam Bazaroff and Unbeliever.

Organizers
elph / CPU

As usual, after the party I spoke with the organizers, I am very
wanted to find out their views on past events, see
how it is similar to my
own.

In this part of the interview material presented, obtained from 
the organizers CAFe 2002. Interviews were taken at different 
intervals of time and space. 

This piece received the evening of Monday, when it was 
partyplace completely cleared of scenery and

their metabolic products.

Elf> Come on. The most basic,
Of course, I want to ask this
What do you think party, because you
had to spend quite a lot of activities in different cities.

Unbeliever> compare very
difficult, because the party so I
has never had to spend. So I do not know how it is
estimate ...

Elf> You mean that you completely on all of the holding was
responsible?

Unbeliever> in full by
beginning to end, so it is
difficult. We did take a break, and
let's go finish this party gift direktrisse a bonus, and then 
continue this conversation. Come on?


Elf> Come on.

After that, all zakuchkovalis
near the entrance to the building, in the confusion of
continuing somehow forgotten.
Continued happened on Tuesday around pub "Crawfish", which was 
celebrated birthday Unbeliever'a. 

Elf> At this time the team of organizers is approximately the 
same as it was in past years?


Adam Bazaroff> First Team
Yes. Only appeared in our great
wheel MMA and Vinnny. They have
awesome contribution, especially
Max. I do not know well, without them would
all sucked, that's not the man
like (pointing to Unbeliever'a).

Elf> How do you yourself think about the party,
what do you see the disadvantages?

Adam Bazaroff> What are the disadvantages?
I do not see.

Elf> Well, have you been in any kind of
party to this? What can you say?

Adam Bazaroff> All rulilo! I
on Bytefall'99 was. But they suck,
as it was transferred several
again ...

Elf> Oh, wait. Then you do not
can provide for themselves something
that should improve in the future, something to strive for.

Unbeliever> Roughly speaking, it is not
was event'ah, which were
we are with you, never. Therefore, it
did it, as happened here before ...

Adam Bazaroff> need to improve
everything.

Elf> Well, I just want to say that? The sound was just awful
in general. It is extremely awful.

Adam Bazaroff> Yes, although the technique
was good.

Elf> Equalizer you do not have enough,
and of course the real
Spectrum'a, yes.

Adam Bazaroff> Real
Spectrum we are actually looking for here.

Elf> Yes, I realized I was informed that there were various 
problems. 

Adam Bazaroff> Problem was
very much, they decided, most of an hour before the party, 
literally. 

Unbeliever> They resolved completely in realtime, ie, understand
I went for a projector, for example,
a club of 3 letters: ZHZHP, PPC,
Bullpen ...

Adam Bazaroff> TSKZH.

Unbeliever> TSKZH - Center Club
of life. "And when we took the projector, we are the same guys 
suggested:" We have sound! "We say:" We also have sound! Y We 
only got neutered column, give us a rest Part. "They say:" We 
do not know How much is the remaining part,

but all sound is 3 thousand rubles. "
As if, when we found out that all
however, as it were. And something has to do, as it turned out 
that castrated sound we do not,

as radiomonter went on a long distance drunk with
key, and breaking dverposle
how we have taken to Fly
sobering-up, no one wanted.
Prior to that, was this idea that we
broke down the door, because they
we should. We broke down the door, and
everything. But when M00h'a carried through the main entrance, 
past the uncle on the steep jeep, we began to look askance. 
Then we just took the sound at the last moment there

well, where we took the projector, and I
thought, personally, that if we give
that kind of money for such "sound", then
There will be everything. And when I saw
this panel, I thought he was
taxis, ie that it is all there. I
not a musician, especially as Lasoft did consult with this
comrade, and, as if, said that
Yes. But when it became clear that the knobs on this console is 
not enough that he steers in the right direction. We

zadavali question about the equalizer in
Basically on the second day we could
would pick it up, but, as it were
made the decision that, frankly, very few people come
to me because the sound sucks.

Elf> I came up.

Unbeliever> Well, you had EA, and
said his sister was offended,
because it was full of sludge in the
sound. I heard that song played badly, but the rest
sound seems to be going well ...

Adam Bazaroff> The problem was
what? On GUS not for everyone
build up the equalizer. And on the other
wheelbarrow it there is four-exposed, but
through it, no sound came.

Elf> You should have an external equalizer, normal. It would 
have decided a lot of problems. Look like Finns go.


Unbeliever> Yeah, I went
meeting ...

Escapes.

Adam Bazaroff> Just didst trust. And it turned out that cracking
something, and the microphone sucked. Forget it off - put, as 
he rode, hissed. Then he was looking for rough, but it someone 
somewhere tucked under the monitor - was found to switched off. 
Then ... Well, it was all Many, of course.


Elf> But still I see the main problem - is sound and, of 
course, there is no real Spectrum'a - unable to connect to a 
normal projector. 

Adam Bazaroff> Not that is not
able, as it were, simply do not
brains were found that could
it's all done, amizhniki completely ...

Elf> There's all done, but badly.

Adam Bazaroff> Yes, there are gradations
was not. But we, in principle, once
said - the people you see
someone that you need, can buy some equipment, resistors, etc. 
Radio market operates e so much. Proignoril people, and we 
thought that's all there. They have. Ie nothing

not necessary, except for 2-meter cable. And then it turned out 
that here so.


Elf> Are you planning the next
year hold?

Adam Bazaroff> And how!

Elf> Well, that's good. What do you think to solve these 
problems, where you take the running and connected to a 
projector spec? As I saw you in Kazan at all unrealistic to 
normal Pentagon even find. Ie People brought him out

Yoshkar-Ola.

Adam Bazaroff> We're just hoping for one computer, one
Spectrum, and just in the last 2
of the day it turned out that it will not.
There were big Get with Amiga
too. We were hoping for one person, but he said that Amigu
he sold.

Elf> As I understand it, Vinnny you
very helpful in this regard?

Adam Bazaroff> Vinnny general
He was very helpful. Helped enormously,
he identified himself out of his pocket
money that helped at all
all the spin, ie there for all sorts of
vzyatochki and so on, someone to sponsor. Those T-shirts in 
advance do. We had no cash. Cash gave us the day before the 
party. 

Elf> Well, of course, you would not have
managed during this time.

Adam Bazaroff> Ie his money
saved the whole thing. And so for
is it necessary to put the monument,
roughly speaking. Love and respect.

Elf> Well, in general, is what interests me. You next year as
plan to solve this problem?
Plus the projector, because if
again will show Speck on the emulator, it will be enough to 
suck, I do not know, this is an ideologically

just plain wrong. This is a very
bad.

Adam Bazaroff> When it became
clear that all will
on the emulator, everything went into a deep prostration. 
Organizers realized that everything will suck. 

Elf> This is the most profound negative impression, while the 
rest Everything was more or less normal,

Well, many times at all
cool. But yes, that bad
very much. You think somehow think
about it beforehand?

Adam Bazaroff> Of course, now
whole year will be ahead. I think
all this will be resolved successfully, successfully.
In an extreme case would have somewhere to drive, someone will 
bring normal wheelbarrow.


Elf> Well, I think you better
all predpartiynaya information
was laid out on the Internet. Ie
your site is the most powerful was,
compared with the others.
Neither the HS nor the Funtop'e, of any other party information 
is not was so good and is available

advance. You are all very well update'ili on IRC ever sat.
The next year, you have some
outline have?

Adam Bazaroff> outline is there. I
I can say one thing - the men from the ministry, which helped 
us, too wild, the money was given cash. There is a danger that 
they will fly from their chairs. They are under your own risk 
pripryagli very leftist people from other ministries, they 
found us a sound, and etc. They did say that:

"If all otrulit, you will show us how it all otrulilo, video, 
newspaper, etc. and bring it to us. We will bring a minister 
Bariev. He would see that people really interested. "Already we 
are everywhere all showed. Next year the event made a plan ... 

Elf> Ministry of Education?

Adam Bazaroff> Ministry
Youth and Sports. This is much better. They have made it into 
the plan. Ie Roughly speaking, a deputy will be there to sit 
and discuss how money allocated for this event. They told us 
that if even you are razedetes to other cities and countries, 
and we will not find, that we ourselves have

all do it, otherwise it will be Ass.
And so they told us: "How
bad that people like you
little in reality. "

Elf> As far as I know, these precedents have not been in Russia,
to the Ministry of Youth okazyvalo such support, except that 
any Paradox the real sponsors are.


Adam Bazaroff> Possibly. But this
helped very much. Helped
the sense that we had in the 99th
year the first CAFe with a huge
Support minesterstva. That is the
Bariev, who is now minister
is, he was at the time
somehow sucking Chairman
simply, he is under subscribed,
on the last day he came to
party, he signed the certificates,
gave money, and now he's the minister, and we came back, showed
magazine, where he personally signed,
there diploma. They said: "Oh,
cool! Everything! Well, once under Bariev
it is signed ... "began the bureaucratic bickering. We have
two ministries. One - for
Youth and Sports, Urban, and
is the same ministry national scale. We came to
city, they said: "In,
cool, do, do, - then
Barieva saw, they said, pancake,
the matter of his ministry, we
do that, then we all pereuvolnyayut, go there. "There are 
peregryzy were there like every under him to crush a company 
that Well, to put yourself out there a tick in the ministry 
that we are there to This year, here's something. But in

Finally we stopped at the city ministry, they have helped us 
dikoobrazno simple. 

Unbeliever leads Finns, all
move inside, sit at a table and start to drink
vodka, parallel polishing
beer. After some time
returns Blade of Triumph,
which ran on its workers
Affairs, and Chelyabinsk arises
thought to give Max a postcard
signed by all present. Therefore, after the fourth
Drink, Elf, on the pretext of smoke and prodolt interviews, 
displays slightly tipsy Unbeliever'a the street.


Elf> Well, look, you really, as I understand it, more experience
in the organization of party, rather than
y Bazaroff'a and the team that
besides you had ...

Unbeliever> At the moment it turns out, yes.

Elf> What can you say what
you see the disadvantages to you
wanted to highlight especially
CAFe 2002?

Unbeliever> I want to say that
first place was very weak
team of organizers themselves,
ie There were very few people and they have
was an internal split ... And those
people who could really
help, they are almost not there.
They had to search among
people who were at the scene. And on
place too many people wanted
relax, do not like to work perfectly. Therefore, practically,
from the organizational process, which was 2 days in a row
three consecutive days with my arrival at
CAFe-Wednesday, Thursday and Friday,
this work we have done with Damir
(Adam Bazaroff) almost
alone. It was, in principle,
really for two people. But when it started the event itself, it 
was very hard: technical lining that we lay in wait for ever, 
the loss of Works repeatedly, the restoration of all this, it's 
all pulled the process, primarily because of that there were 
very few people. There was no clear division of labor.

If the Chaos'e was such a
Spectrum, Amiga, pc, three teams were working in a different 
direction, and such amizhnik knew - if

Now Spectrum'ovskoe compo,
he can safely go and smoke, there will be all settled.
Everyone knew that he would submit a compilation of works of 
each of these companies. It was not like this, and

probably will not, and I very much wanted
on the second day just to score at all, sleep and relax, let
all suck. But do not get it because it's our party, and if we
his conduct, we must bring all
until the end. Here you can say a big thank you to the same 
Lasoft'u with company because they had

experience of two previous CAFe. For example, I brought them
system of accounting work and the system of their
preservation and display on the party, but
Lasoft'a and the company was already experience
in this case, through which
they could announce the vote right
there. When we filled the first
day, they would be able to count
the second, and read it. That this rate has been phenomenal. But
nothing more to this team
could not provide. Split
lasted too long, so
if the next time to organize such an event, you will need to 
enlist the support of any people who come from outside, such as 
I, which should focus on this matter: either need to rebuild 
the brain local people ... Ie organizing team must be at least 
10 people. And they must know their every case, every man for 
him to hurt, each doing it. Odnoznachno. 

Elf> clear. So, I'm still interested in your opinion. You're 
going to, for example, Alternative party. I think it is very

important. We will soon prodvinem
Spectrum in Europe in full. And all the old school demo compo
will be our only.

Unbeliever> Definitely. But, the thing
that such activities to offer our Finns, they
more are nastalgichesky nature, there is not as if such 
kompetishenov as such. 

Elf> Well, of course, understandable. But in
Basically it is very cool.

Unbeliever> If we're talking about
Forever, there really
You can go out and show
over the place, ie skip
what we rulim, and they are resting.
If we talk about Altparty, it is
gathering exclusively for recreation,
a gathering of people of different directions. How would a 
rezaltah about some releases, there is nothing to say, but this 
wonderful event. I'm really going to ... My dream is to go to 
Europe somewhere. And I just want to make the following year.


And I hope it will, because that regulation which
now voiced Finns order
200 euros for the trip to and fro
it is not so much. I spent
this party about 5000 domestic rubles. And I'm going to Samara 
without penny in my pocket. And I think

much if the standard rules CPU'shnika I
heard of one and a half thousand ...

Elf> Well, that's me - I do not drink
practice. That takes Vovan
always twice the size than I am.

Unbeliever> course, but regulation sceners little further away, 
such as Vladivostok - I think 2000. 5000, given the 
organizational costs, taking into account just some elementary 
embedding any people who are here

is - this is normal. And if I have any extreme
earnings, or if I can put the same amount of money, and I
there will be money for everything else. I
I want to go to Europe, because
this is the next step. Because
that enough already to be here, it's time
have to go there, especially because
someone else's party is always a holiday, it is
rest, it's only communication
and everything else. So I think
we need to dig for money, and we
must, here are these people who got there invitation ...

Miguel> Drinking!

During the bazaar card was
signed Miguel persistently
proposed to continue the drink.

Unbeliever> We need to go
there. Ie we have assembled a team of 2-3 people who can go 
should go and need to show them our own,

Russian, because in all aspects,
from the demo, finishing drinking compo. Show them what Russia. 
For they are tired of have their Finnish parties, that's tired 
of these completely stupid nights in hotels, raspivanie beer 
minimum amount. While civilization is not for them ... 

Miguel> For example, Justinas'a
Kazan was shocking the city. He is constantly repeating syaubas 
(horror). 

Unbeliever> They want to see
something new. We can show them that we should do it. A
Justinas still in the Soviet Union was born,
though he presents it
is.

Elf> Well, in general, the basic idea. We will try
strongly support, go to
Finland, and as far as I know, (I
talked to Justinas'om) 200 euros is a pretty high level, it is 
stop in hotels, eat there food in the cafe

real money, go to compartment carriages. Really, I think
that in the 100-150 euros - it is quite
will be sufficient amount. I spoke with Justinas'om who has 
ridden in Europe ... 

Unbeliever> I doubt I
believe that we should expect
300 euros for complete comfort.

Elf> Ah, well, well. Finnish vodka
to eat in full.
;-)

Chasm> We'll bring our own.

Miguel> There's a jar of vodka
You can smuggle across the border.

Unbeliever> We'll bring her,
there for each allowed to smuggle about 2 liters of ...

xPasha> and a half liters.

Elf> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just can realistically at all Zatar. 
Okay, let's go.


Drink has continued to resurface
about him and unburned wires Samarans read the report.

uchkovalis
near the entrance to the building, in the confusion of
continuing somehow forgotten.
Continued happened on Tuesday around pub "Crawfish" gForever 
Music Compo kq / skrju


FQ music compo_psihologiya

Have you ever been to Europe demopati? I do not. May
have talked with people
been there? I talked to
but not about this. It turns out that now
I write purely subjective reasoning. Couple of paragraphs about 
the psychology of visitors to the European eight-bit demopati.


Everyone is wondering why the Europeans win? And I'm not 
surprised. Because enough to talk to a person time to 
understand what he stock character that his life

Like, why he does everything
so and not otherwise.

If you are involved in demopati, then
You must first "target", decide what you want to achieve this. 
Say, I see several goals for themselves choose their own, but 
most certainly the most important goal - to win. Very truly 
remarked once that work is how was the sight of its author. But 
we are not about Moreover, and perhaps this, too,

but in any case, if you are going to participate in the European
vosimi-bit party, you blood
from the nose to learn the psychology of visitors to this 
party, "voyterov. Who are they? Europeans. Czechs Slovak, 
English and even, perhaps, the Spaniards. A Russian? A Russian 
is not there. Maybe one day there was one - but the weather did 
not do, do not do it. Or maybe he is so drunk

will be so happy that forgets to vote. So forget it, and behold
vote for you Europeans. And he has that? He has a different 
mindset or rather, a different mentality. Y

it is not flowing water, he pay 4 per hour and the green and he 
is engaged Spectrum for what? It is true - for

fun. It's a hobby. In a direct
sense of the word. Some collect stamps, some catch
dung beetles, and these - batsayut
on my old Spectrum, the
who previously played, and in fact both played and now play. 
They do not care about coolness, to slop-for them demoscene

is pure for fun. FOR FUN. FUN.
F U N. Remember this. Not empty
words. They have not turned in eight
bits, as many (or most) of the Russian.

I'm in college, I have
girl, free time and a lot of
beer (if I live in the Czech Republic, then
I have a lot of very good
beer). When I was little, my parents bought me a computer, I
It played in the game, which bought
in-store, on cassettes with color inserts. I liked the 
enthusiasm and joy, I persya from the Set Willy 2, and I was 
very cool. Then I got a PC, I went to university, and I was

want more fun and creativity. I still play games
in their old games - because
they remind me of my childhood. About
how the rainbow was a world, what hours of fun I gave this
world. And now I'm studying, I hand over the session - but I do 
not have large problems. I have a small

Used minivan, I shoot
lodging, meeting with his girlfriend. And I - ZX-Spectrum
fan. I have many friends, we chat on the # z80, sometimes 
encounter from someone in the country and drink

Czech beer from 20-liter
Bochenko. We have fun together. We -
friends. And we have fun is something
do on the Spectrum. Because
Today we are - by and large
careless people. And even if
some of us do not learn, but it works - that he still 
occasionally engaged in Spectrum. To to have some fun. For fun. 
FUN. 

And sometimes we're going all-all
together to drink beer and have fun
(Things you see almost the same). Us
Calls Ellvis, and we come.
When we meet, we laugh and
slap each other on the shoulder. Us
fun, we drink beer and suddenly
hehe, the musical component. Or
graphic. Or any other. A
Suddenly I hear the music that
written by my friend, here he is sitting on
next row, drinking beer and laughing. And then I start to 
smile, and then, suddenly - I hear music directly

as early as in the olden days,
just like from my childhood!
And I see the smiling face Factor
6, and I understand that all that remains for me - a laugh that 
is urine and vlepit him the first place.

Because it gives me what I
I want to. That's what I like. And I
fun of it.

FOR FUN.

FUN.

P.S. And yet (especially since I'm already drunk
so much beer), under its cool
dance.