Scene - thinking out loud: "Ha. And what if 'share ideas'? Forgive so - just language would scratch? I still paz povtopyayu something with which you do not upopno want to disagree do not know why: tvopchestvu HIKTO and HIKAKIMI thoughts will not help. "article from Manwe.

_ / Thoughts aloud 
.............................................. ..... 


(C) Manwe / Sands' Frown / Aienn
(C) 7zone # 2 e-zine

Instead of an epigraph. Fragment of dialogue from the conference
su.music.creation (January 1999-year):

BV> Ha. And what then "share ideas"? Just like that - just
language would scratch? I repeat once again something with 
which you have consistently failed want to disagree do not know 
why: the creativity of NO and NO thoughts will not help.


Manwe> mankind for thousands of years to develop, strengthen and
perfected various philosophical concepts. And as science
is that people learn, so the philosophy - understanding and 
spiritual enrichment. So we ask: Is a few thousand years

People did not understand that you can not teach feel, and
contemplate, teach deployed to express his thoughts, capacitance
express themselves? I somehow think that "pseudoscience" 
philosophy intended to awaken in a person's inner resources, to 
realize its unity with the world, etc. Help a person to know 
yourself, specify what to listen, what to try

improve, understanding what things to achieve - these tasks
well under the force of Philosophy treatises set out on a normal
paper. And is it possible then to say that "nobody
No thought can help creativity? After the energy of creativity
- The essence of spiritual impulses, and the capacity of 
translating feelings for, say, sound, to some extent depends on 
the development of self-contemplation and ability to express 
themselves. These skills lend themselves to development. More 
that - they need to be developed. On "how to" meet the book - 
as just all sorts of "philosophical treatises. And do not 
confuse it with technical literature (from the series "Music 
Theory"). "Empty chatter "they seem perhaps that the one who 
completely unable or unwilling to reflect on and improve.


Thinking aloud (Manwe / Sands' Frown / Aienn)

Frown:

I remember in my time, I wrote two fairly abusive
Article - N5 ("Apocrypha") and N6 ("Lovers of SUVs). Well,
it was necessary to release a pair:) peace and quiet to watch
human stupidity and the cries of "Throw keygen to the prog 
********" I I can not. Then there was the time when I started a 
fairly long conversation with Manwe on ICQ - on the subject, 
why are we the tracker, why generally write music ... I - his 
worldview, he - his own. And it turns out that we are a little 
more like the Buddhists it turns out:) Well, the article - 
about how we see the world. The article is more or less 
objective - as much as two subjective opinion may coalesce into 
some semblance of something objective. Advance warning - the 
comments to this article superfluous. Consider it a fascinating 
read, if you will, but no need to cry "I do not agree." Do not 
agree - please write your article, but do not have to write to 
us abusive emails:) I also warn that my behavior is often very, 
very inadequate, and I am quite harsh in his judgments - and so 
on that Manwe for much of the Russian demoscene

is sufficiently odious personality, to say nothing
necessary.

I give the floor Manwe - with my comments, of course (in
brackets).

Manwe:

When you read the article, please do not think that I'm gone
crazy:) If you're too lazy to delve into the philosophical 
arguments will send you immediately to a brief summary - the 
fourth paragraph of the article. Perhaps reading this summary 
piqued your interest to article as a whole. Having read only 
the summary, you will most likely only confusing, but may 
suddenly want to understand all this? .. Anyway, I want 
rasskazt how born music. How at one moment suddenly realize 
that something important in their life - and you already know 
how it sounds! That is, it turns much easier and more accurate 
to express that understanding music rather than words. I want 
to talk about how developing musical sensitivity and 
perception. And much more. 

1. For a start - an introduction. In simple terms, a mild and
with full household examples.

Usually people open themselves to creative work, like
a small child. For example, a small child sitting on
log and brandishing wooden leg, fancies himself a fabulous
knight - and the world is changing dramatically for him: the 
child sees a fairy tale. Him interested in this world, it seems 
wonderful and perfect. A world that is much richer real, world,

which is possible thanks to fantasy, not the work of the mind, 
thanks chuvctvu, not experience.


And a man immersed in the arts (music), he
invents a story around it: kick the gong opens up
vision of fantasy world ... Thus, a musician with
his imagination and creates the ability to feel out
primitives enriched with its own vision, a world that
useless to try to estimate domestic standards - it is not true,
and this in it - only "piece of wood instead of the sword" and 
"log instead of the horse "(as applied to music - a set of 
notes and instruments).


It should be remembered how this fairy-tale world of roads to 
its creator. Therefore, any rational approach bystander

declared by the author devastating. How to understand 
children's games can only children fully participating in them, 
and the author musical piece encourages the listener to adopt a

Similar Copyright: imagination, feeling, focus on
the musical side, and a full withdrawal from the technical. 
Often in comments to the entries (on the CD sleeve or

song-massage trekernogo module) can read the recommendations on
plays (such as "turn off the lights and relax"). In the
Indeed, the author, as would calls on listeners to join in his 
game. 

If the game looks on the children's adult, depending on
mood, he may take one of the positions: either
indulgent tenderness, irritable or misunderstanding.
How does an experienced teacher should be to at least partly to 
see Children play with their eyes!


Next to us is important to understand that between adults and 
children have a fundamental difference ...


Developing, the person becomes capable of creating and opening
new things. As a child, all of its activities aimed at
reflection of the external world. That is, the child absorbs 
from the world something, and this is reflected in its 
activities. The world moves child.


An adult is able to enrich himself the world, is able to achieve
the stage where his work will not be dictated
existing conditions. On the contrary, an adult has
opportunity to bring the world something new. Enrich the world 
[Frown: A very important point, in fact - the transition from 
level Consumer-child to a standard builder-adult!].


Child's activity is aimed at enriching the (development) of a
(Even if, in the process of a child are
any products of creativity - it is nothing like a game -
most natural way of learning), while the activity
adult may be (ideally - should be) directed at
enrichment of the outside world.

Here is the time to touch on the theme of eternal dispute about 
the role of intellect in the creative process. Child 
development can not be complete only when the so-called 
"spiritual development". A person can not become an adult, to 
stay at the children's level of intellectual development. It's 
like a basic postulate. Nobody can raise a child, being a child 
myself (and it - the main criteria "maturity": the ability to 
educate grade children).


Thus, the transition from student-consumers in the state
creator-adult only possible at a certain level
intellectual development. It is this shift indicates
end of the game-based training and the beginning of something 
infinitely more far beyond even the scope of the concept of 
"creativity." 

When the harmonious development of domestic music world is 
expanding simultaneously with the growth of the individual. 
Initially, the child always it seems that he has a rich 
representation of the surrounding world, and it is much more 
interesting than adults care. Remain in the children's world - 
quite tempting (nice, comfortable), but with time, with the 
help of parents the child, after all, develops and expands 
their understanding of the universe ... If the musician is a 
teacher, it is easier to grow. But if teachers No - the only 
way out: look at ourselves, aware (!) that your activities - a 
game for learning about the world. This important - not to 
overestimate the progress, achievements and awards - all only 
dekaratsii learning the game. And by the way, in order to 
understand and evaluate correctly (!) their degree of 
development ("age" on this path of understanding), this 
requires some experience reflections:


Firstly, it must be seen;

secondly, to understand;

Third, we look back, assess the trajectory, then
look forward and try to determine the direction of
further development. Feel this way.

This entry to the description of the philosophical-ideological
concept that goes beyond the toy-philistine
ideas about music. For adoption (and, ideally, for her
self-inventing and further development) is needed
more or less developed intellect and creative thinking. This
I did not point out the alleged incredibly high level of
of the authors:) - we are the same students as
vast majority of people, we just felt, finally,
under the feet of road, realize that we can move on
him, and even started to build some suggestions on "how
move on. "Paths set. And they all lead to one
infinitely distant from us a point. But it so happened that we
(Authors of the article, as well as a number of highly 
respected by us humans) grown in a specific subculture called 
"demoscene", therefore, our paths are quite close ... In this 
paper, we do not so try to demonstrate the viability of our

cosmological concepts, how to show the importance of each
creative personality development and understanding of their own
concept, the importance of finding a path leading to the highest
harmony and - importantly - to promote this way. Since all
paths lead to one point (as we shall show below), with the 
development own, you will discover the similarities with other

concept development, initial differences (in fact -
starting positions) will recede into the background.

2. Now, actually, of understanding and intellect ... About
worldview. Slightly more complicated: a thought experiment.

Refuse to experiment with all the knowledge and experience 
acquired us for life. There are no laws, rules and

cause-effect relationships. Disables fantasy. Nothing
invent and do not have to guess: we operate only with the
that we know for sure. So, we just gave up all
knowledge, and therefore (in the experiment) in the head with us
absolutely empty. We know nothing, have no
ideas about anything and do not even know what it means to "have
representation. "begins to learn anew:

Imagine a point. It's you. Or me. It does not matter. One man,
one person, one soul, plus mind. One point ... Presented.

What's the point? We do not know - an abstraction. We have not 
yet identify any metric that is not the essence of this space. 
We can even do not believe that the point of something to eat. 
But we may come to mind to check it (here it is - a key point

transition from the stage of accumulation of internal 
experience to the stage creation and the beginning of 
understanding). Begin to investigate space around a point. 
Let's say the first thing we noticed attention is the color: 
the color of this space? Do not dream or guess: we do not know. 
It is not yet defined. It turns out that there is no clear 
answer to this question we can not provide.


Stand on the position of the point and look closely at the 
sides. Suddenly, something happens (let's call it inspiration) 
and abstraction just instantiated: we see something very vague,

incomprehensible, it is, it can be seen, but nothing concrete 
to say about him is impossible. As if we look through the 
impossible defocused optical instrument.


We look into my eyes, trying to peer into, to make out though
any difference in that essence, which so uncomfortable
look through the defocused optics. And so we begin
seem that someone is condescending, as if seeing our
efforts, very slowly begins to adjust the optics. This is a very
nice of him, but not really help us: we still
nothing concrete has been seen: only slightly reduces blur
it is not clear why.

Let us again remind ourselves: we know nothing and nothing
invent. Do not try to understand the allegorical meaning
above, or apply it to something well-known type
art, music, etc. Nothing figuratively not here,
There is only a point (you) and space, of which we can say
only one thing: it is, and if you stare at him long, you can
even see some sort of heterogeneity, but no more.

So, we continue eksperiment: distract from the space and
look at the point. That's us. What we know about ourselves? 
Well, Actually, nothing (we who turned in all knowledge), but 
we can feel, and (in one degree or another) to understand and 
evaluate themselves. You can take a little time on self-study, 
this in fact need not rack his eyes, staring at the 
incomprehensible misty distance. If our point in space - we 
are, then this point has to our mind, the ability to feel and 
remember. Ourselves, we can consider without strain, unlike

Space (optics does not allow).

Well, how easy it is to watch for themselves (a point with
a small set of known properties), so it is difficult
return to the observation space: did not really
It can be seen and to see anything, have strongly
strain ... Or maybe vice versa - relax! Can
try. We relaxes mind, become spread it, and
after a while, when we have completely ceased to try to
see something concrete, we suddenly notice the slight
change in the pattern: as though it became more clear. If we
try to look into any specific point, we lose the overall
species: general fuzziness does not decrease, and the eyes in 
vain strained.


Soon we begin to realize that it makes no sense to catch and
looking at separate points in space, since optics
through which we look at the space equally
focus (or rather, out of focus) against
it around.

Over time, we gradually change the focus of our optics and begin
discern something more concrete. At least, we have
can assess the color of some sub-parts space, and if
us to become visible at least roughly the boundaries of these 
sub-parts, we can introduce the notion of "size" and "distance" 
and roughly estimate their magnitude. In the next stage we have

begin to know and feel the essence of any kind.
The remaining entities may be less understandable to us, but at 
the Indeed, they are just as open to our understanding and 
learning as all the others, since the optical focus on all the 
entities the same magnitude.


Here, perhaps, can be stopped: still a human life
not enough for you to expand the view so that
move the optical focus of the extreme far position enabling
we are absolutely clear about space in general. But
We note that the original optics were focused in
opposite, extreme close-up position: we have only seen
one point familiar to us, only myself. In fact, the entire 
experiment lay in the fact that the force of thought and will 
at least slightly shift their understanding of the infinitely 
close and personal acquaintances concepts to the infinitely 
distant, the general concepts. 

Frown:

Generally, if go into metaphysics, I would have limited 
("prohibited" - Too harsh word) public religion. In them, there 
are some paranoid, and some one-sided ... Teach people to build

religion - everyone makes for themselves their own, internal
religion.

The concept of Manwe, for example, is well within
Zen Buddhism - philosophy and human senses - the essence of
prism. Through the prism and the perceived world. And! Cognize
peace "in parts", gradually, it is impossible. As the camera 
lens - Or we leads us to focus and see the whole picture, or we 
do not see anything - just colored spots. Obviously, the degree

focus may be different.

Manwe:

3. The same, but simpler and familiar examples, to
fixation.

There is an understanding. In terms of traditional religions
Divine Essence should be called something of
infinite understanding. This condition corresponds to a 
completely focused lens in vysheopisanom mental experimentation 
with knowledge of the world. As part of our physical, world 
(modern man in himself has brought up the habit to take only 
him, and nothing else), we can not reach a complete 
understanding. Because we are accustomed to exploring the world 
of physically disabled senses. And, more importantly, we have a 
finite set of sensory organs (assumed that they were only 
five). From all existing, some forms of space can be

certain losses projected on the subspace of our
feelings (or rather, a limited subset of this
subspace). But even within this set can be achieved
varying degree of understanding. Example:

Take for example a pencil drawing (say, a
landscape will be): we have a projection of the physical world 
(how knows his people in their oschuschueniyah) on 
three-dimensional space (1 - horizontal sheet, 2 - vertical 
sheet 3 - the number of slate chips at each leaf). In this 
projection loses the original time coordinate (the motion), 
color, odor, temperature, etc. However, if we try to look at

whole (!) at our meager three coordinates (horizontal,
vertical, saturation), it is the holistic approach (rather than
detailed study of each individual point in considering
sheet-blank) could open up new coordinates (in
Within the same three-dimensional space, as it is not
ironic). I propose an experiment: to start looking at
leaf in focus, then slowly move aside him. Harshness
images increases, and the farther we move aside list, the
more visible and - importantly - we see more clearly! Aha, here 
they are - the strokes. They all have a certain character: some 
of them by air, other severe, some mild, others - bold. 
Slightly blurred but if you push the sheet further, they become 
quite clear. So, we can introduce the basis of a higher level:

in our metric appeared notion character strokes (as well as
its length, slope, etc.). Having admired the beauty of 
combination strokes, we can move to the next stage of 
generalization: finishing touches are added to the form. 
Further, removing leaves, we find the interaction forms 
(interposition, shadows and etc.), and after - and the nature 
of the forms themselves. Here you can enter the basis an even 
higher level. In the final etoge we arrive at maximum degree of 
generalization: the image. United and indivisible image, which 
is unfolding on any of the bases of lower level will only be a 
step backwards to an incomplete, a narrow understanding. The 
final image is indivisible and can only be determined in the 
basis maximum level, the only coordinates

is understanding.

4. Understanding.

In this article I tried to show that the maturity of the 
individual estimated one coordinate higher basis, and the name 
of the coordinate - Understanding (at least that I know the 
words, I can not choose a more suitable). Also, it was shown 
above that "Understanding the individual parts - it is nothing 
like the lack of Understanding. Maturity of personality is 
determined by "location" on Ways of understanding - from the 
point of focus on self to point of focus at infinity. This 
criteria of maturity incredibly important in the context of a 
dispute about the role of intelligence in creativity (remember 
that the transition from stage to stage student creator can 
only have developed personality). Thus, becomes apparent link 
between development intellectual and philosophical and creative 
side of the personality. Returning to the example of a 
defocused lens, in the most simple terms, we can say that the 
more a person sees, those of the more he can tell. And the more 
clearly sees, the more reliably and effectively can transmit 
what they see. Say, as music can convey a sense? Need to see 
them first, and not at the physical level (the lower base - 5 
human senses), and at the higher. The same sentiments expressed 
in the coordinates of the basis higher levels can be projected 
to a lower basis without a loss - this means that what music 
will be appreciated and close to everything.


Promotion of ways of understanding gives us a qualitatively
new levels - new complex coordinates and bases. Creating
anything in the coordinates of the high basis, we are guaranteed
have the possibility of projecting without a loss on the bases 
more low level, thus covering a wide spectrum of concepts - from

household ideas to our level.

However, the expression in the coordinates of a sufficiently 
high basis entails the risk of distortion when projected onto 
the lower level of perception: the passage of ideas through 
each level Understanding may make an error. It suffices to 
recall that the highest degree of understanding and 
representation of a world that can be given only to the Divine 
Essence (in terms of contemporary religions), has undergone 
such changes in projected through a variety of levels, which in 
the basis human feelings from her almost nothing left:

understanding of the world, the universe - is the very world, 
the universe - does this tell us our 5 senses in contact with 
the world? No too much distortion got used the idea of going 
down to the level of perception of our senses. In applied 
terms, this means that creativity, expression, personality 
development may no longer be clear at a lower level ...


Frown:

Music - bridge. Conductor between us and the real world. So
way, a very sobering thought - what the world - we do not know. 
We perceive. Reached out, felt the subject - we have returned

sensation. And music - as a kind of metaorgan - press
Keys - have created a sound. Built a sound - in our ears back
music. It's simple.

5. Practice.

I close my eyes and see that everything around me stopped. And 
do not moves for a year. My world does not change. Universe

moves, and I stopped my little world and I think the days that
pass, leaving no trace - days not filled with joy,
love, do not carry the development that do not contain any 
movement. AND I think the year they are not trying to change 
anything - how many left until the end. And I write "Counting 
Days" ... Thought recorded on paper, has a greater impact - and

understanding, expressed in music, recorded by multiple echoes
penetrates deeper. Two years pass and I can not stop
wonder how in that moment the music opened my eyes and showed
My relationship with the world. Who is the author of this 
music? I? I do not think that it's true - it is only abstracted 
from himself, in an effort to see and understand their 
relationship with the world, I discovered a feeling which 
simply recorded the most flexible and succinct way (from I know 
of). It's like a translation from one language to another. The 
music itself there without me, it is - an attribute of the 
World. I am only allowed to see and record what he saw ...


Previously, I looked at myself: how my fingers get in the press 
or string, as follows diversify arrangement, as combined

sounds of instruments ... The more I expand perception, the
I worry less about the details of the sound, the songs: all of 
this already created the universe, and exists as a harmonious

form - if I realized I saw something, I just need
several hours to bring the concept in music. Main
criteria that determines whether I'll sit down now for the 
instrument (for tracker) - clarity: how well I can see what I 
want describe how an understanding fills me how

fills the energy necessary to translate into sound ...