Spectrofon #20
11 октября 1996 |
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Enlight'96 - one of the most intepesnyh pazgovopov "The Scorpion and its future," taught by Sergei Zonova, Maxim Romanov, Andreev Isaeva and Max Iwamoto.
One of the most interesting conversations can be called a conversation about "Scorpio" and its future. In an interview participated Sergei Zonov (developer "Scorpion") hackers and programmers (Maxim Romanov Andrei Isayev, Max Iwamoto and others). Presenter - Michael Ivan (studio Logros). By technical reasons we can not lead conversation entirely, and perhaps more details will be covered in the electronic Journal "ZX-FORMAT # 5." Akimov: Lots of questions about the compatibility is not programs that come from Ukraine, from Novgorod, with a computer "Scorpio". Question to the developer - as to resolve this issue? ZONAL: Well, how to solve? If we are talking about Scorpio - the options are many. You can put the mute button. Scheme published. Therefore, whoever wants to can modify your computer. We can not put a button for yourself. We, as producers can not afford the production of such semi-handicraft products. In the future, maybe we'll do is shut down. But to say exactly when it will be - I can not. Isaev: And what you have revised? There Do you have such that the Scorpion was bezwait'ovym to work properly digitization to AY worked as a DAC? On the first "Scorpion" or "tool", nor "Sampler", ie St. Petersburg development company did not work ... Why did this happen? ZONAL: Because these programs are addressed to ports having 16-bit addresses to a shortened at # FD. Only so ... Isaev: This is not a modest question. And why You come up with its 256 KB on port 1FFD? I understand that you have with this port Firm 3? ZONAL: Yeah, definitely ... Isaev: Do you know of any addresses where start page? ZONAL: I know ... Isaev: Since when? ZONAL: Pages of what? Isaev: Well, just the page address. After all, there not with the C000, you have done ... After all, there is another addressing. ZONAL: Yes, there addressing other ... Iwamoto: Just "Scorpio" has turned out some brand machine, part - not firm. So maybe it should definitely take away from the original machine? Make no wait'a? Ceychas standard, even on ENLIGHT'e recognized the Pentagon. Just this the most common machine. And all programs are designed for maximum number of cycles ... Isaev: And without wait'a ... Iwamoto: ... but they are few in Scorpio. ZONAL: Well then the question arises. What machine is most common? Do you think - that the Pentagon ... Isaev: We do not believe ... You are not targeting those who write software. Comrade Mednonogov wrote their software to the Pentagon, Max Iwamoto - the Pentagon, I - Pentagon IMP, KSA ... I will tell you all the Spectrum's elite - she works at the Pentagon. Why do you go by the users, which your monitor can be used somehow do not know how? More precisely MOAshnym ... Why do not you insert a back monitor Stalker? Iwamoto: In Ukraine, the Scorpions are very few ... Basically, the Pentagon and local version ... ISAEV (c annoyed): Such a machine with such capabilities as much as Pipe! .. Any The Pentagon has expanded to 512 KB. Just 8.7 bit. A full 512 KB. Even your St. Pete Kowalewski in 1992 already came up with this chic design without any additional ports ... Why do I need be copied outdated ports that came up with, roughly speaking, Clive Sinclair in some there, and his followers ... If you work for the Soviet people - it is other people, they have a different mindset. And now the 96th year and you all go, like IBM PC ... stuck with the 86-th year, as well as you. It was necessary to have long to make the "Scorpion" became a cult car. You have all the cards were on hand. Do you has excellent production. And I think that you cold attitude to the people who write software. Just have not heard their views. And so now St. Pete so many suffer. Again and LOGROS and SOFTLAND say that our things are not working on "Scorpio", and then Hacks and krekerskie version does not work ... AND claims to the "Scorpion" was so ... I hear everywhere ... In addition to the monitor MOAshnogo - Nothing ... And why can not agree with stalkers to custom could flashed his monitor debugger? Iwamoto: MOAshny monitor all good, but its outdated design. A monitor Stalker - takes into account the views of almost all Soviet Union. All of them enjoy ... ZONAL (ironically): Very cool! Today our company is compared with the IBM PC, yesterday compared with Apple. All - fun ... Isaev: Macintosh - a very worthy comparison ... ZONAL: Well, it's not my words - these words same Stalker ... Isaev: Well, Stalker, I believe. Stalker - the credibility of our world ... ZONAL: As the shadow screen, he really developed very long time. And he worked under the 16 KB ROM, which is Available ... Isaev: A stalker that takes longer? ZONAL: ... Shadow monitor is there a very small part. There are many places occupy and service functions, which many are needed. Isaev: This is a controversial issue ... ZONAL: Well, the issue ... So ... Isaev: Well, well, so we ... ZONAL: Wait, let me tell you, and then further continue ... Why do we have these ports? Well, take such and all ... Change 7FFD, 1FFD We basically will not. Here it clean - Keep it clean, agree - do not settle ... All done and changed fundamentally nothing will happen. Only if it works for us, but it does not depend only on our desires, there are many different factors - we will do so to be able to disconnect at any time of the computer all the additional ports. How it's done - no matter. The main thing that all of the additional ports turned off and the computer becomes an ordinary 128 KB Spectrum ... Isaev: I can name the configuration of the machine, which is now the most popular in our country. And you call your majeure configuration that no one has ever seen. And we immediately identify the differences and find out who more important than your configuration and ours. Most majeure configuration: Pentagon 512K, AY-Mouse, modem, C-DOS ... This is the minimum Moscow configuration ... Maximum equipment - this turbo SH, and ROM Titova, bug fixes TR-DOS'a ... This configuration of 1996. What is your "Scorpion"? ZONAL: First, again - controversial question, what's popular, or as you say "major" in our country. Based on the Why? In spite of what a start ... Isaev: From the convenience of such softoproizvoditelya car ... ZONAL: Yes, if from this point of view, probably, cool ... And our company is a start on how economically profitable to produce a particular design machines and how ... Isaev: Save on buildings ... ZONAL: What does the body, it's not buildings ... And how much such a machine would be the end users ... Not software vendors - for their fingers can be counted ... and they always any car can do for themselves, so that it was easier ... Isaev: RST 7 can not write on the "Scorpion" ... If it everywhere OUT # FD, A. .. Maybe for some system applications, such as IS-DOS, it can be ... That is to approach it and agree ... And programmers who write it is not for sale, and for simplicity of his heart - you will not decree. I'm sorry if this offends you. You can not lead them and say that they did on "Scorpion" ... ZONAL: I have nothing to anyone not going to specify. Isaev: You say that you actually transplanted RST on the "Scorpion" ... ZONAL: I never said anything like that. Akimov: I propose a compromise between the producers and programmers. Maybe it makes sense to find a compromise? You write a program under the "Scorpio", and you ... Isaev: We will not ever write under "Scorpio". And we can sign this petition. If the Scorpion does not take into account our views ... At least one "mikrik" switch to the "Scorpion" becomes "NeSkorpion. To all the "skorpionovskoe" died ... ZONAL: schemes of complete ... ROMANOV: This should be done as standard ... Isaev: This should be done by the manufacturer. Akimov: Make it as a supplement to the basic mode of operation ... Iwamoto: Just - disable additional ports. Isaev: But wait, what wait? ZONAL: And if we do not make any sense ... Because it will vary from brand name computers, if we compare ... Isaev: Branded new programs - at handful ... ZONAL: But wait. Programs ... It is not a programs. If we rely on some Canons of compatibility with the corporate computer ... For example, port # FF, which, in Basically, no one wants ... Isaev: Nobody wants. ZONAL: But it is, any program under he has. But then again a controversial issue. Someone said that he needed someone thinks that is not needed. Here is possible to argue infinity. We are, in principle, no reason to remake something in your computer, if any program without loss of quality can be adapt, "Scorpio". Isaev: Yes?? Let's find out ... ZONAL: What's wrong? For example? I do not know. Isaev: demos! EXTASY, INSULT, SATISFACTION. ZONAL: Yes, they have long been adapted! All they have and work on "Scorpio". Isaev: Why? What right have they be adapted if the authors have not thought of them under the "Scorpions"? ZONAL: What does it mean - "not conceived? Iwamoto (to Isaev): This is not about that we are here talking about what can be adapt ... Isaev: And the authors - is not important? And if those who wrote the program - will be offended? We The authors are flawed, resent, as it without their knowledge got into the program ... ZONAL: The question is translated in the plane, we wrote it badly - it only works at the Pentagon ... Iwamoto (to Isaev): This is not your Care to talk about it, this is my concern. ZONAL: So this argument is pointless ... Iwamoto: What interested me in "Scorpio" - a fully branded machine. We agree. The only that it is not corporate - it's port # FD. In original machine worked through this port normal. If you do, the "Scorpion" will be branded machine and more, in principle, does not need anything. ZONAL: You can also just as with Addressing just FD on all ports handled correctly. As far as I know, no problems there. Isaev: If your original Spectrum is working, and the "Scorpio" - does not work? About what the correct treatment can be said? ZONAL: You're talking about a simple 128th Spectrum ... Isaev: This +2 and 2 A and 3 ... ZONAL: There is no work there, no program if it does not work on Scorpio. Isaev: You have two? Let us now podedem, compare ... ZONAL: Yes No I have now two ... Isaev: And what if you so calm about this mean? ZONAL: Because I know the scheme, the architecture of the computer. Isaev: You are a developer, I understand. You must know about it. But there must be a You have a prototype to this lamer As we show, and "rub": here's how it on "Scorpio" works, here is how to original car ... ZONAL: Well, there is no such ... Akimov: I can give you an example. While in Chechnya is a war, while the military fight - killing innocent civilians. So we have - in this same situation are users. I would like to see you took seriously the that the user does not suffer. Then is buying a program, he saw her working. I propose to support programmers Computer "Scorpio", while you, Sergey, to make the new model "Scorpion" some changes ... ZONAL: Absolutely ... *
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