Party - Chaos Constructions: Subject of dispute.

                                          
PASSION FOR GENERAL SOUND                  
                                          
 About standards               
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Artem Kharitonov:                          
                                          
AN>> Neither the E97 nor the FT98 support it
AN>> (GS) was not included in the component.  Yes
AN>> that demomakers don’t need it, but gamers
AN>> makers - yes, it would be necessary, but users with
AN>> GS will not be enough, because where are they
AN>> feel it, hear it? Only on pa-
AN>> you can see GS.  And immediately decide:
AN>> is it worth it or not.  But the organization
AN>> the Tori do not want to understand this at all. 
                                          
PV> On "Constructions of Chaos", general sound
PV> allowed in demos.                     
                                          
This is wrong! Who bought mods from Amiga
overtook - cool?  Who will give it to Prog-
ress, Extrem, E-mage, us?  We ourselves
We won’t buy it... We just don’tneeded...Who will-
children to use GS, - will be in explicit
a toy both in terms of music and speed...      
                                          
10.11.98 Artem Kharitonov
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Vyacheslav Mednonogov:                    
                                          
Hardly - in terms of speed... Although it was stated
It is clear that GS can be used as a kind of add-on
auxiliary computing device
there is no evidence of this...   
                                          
Although, when it comes to big money...
                                          
10.12.98 Warm greetings, Slava!
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How? The player is no longer needed - a few more
for extra bars, there is no need to store music -
a few extra kilobytes.            
                                          
Nice dreams, Virtual/Silence Crionix
10/14/98 Pavel Nikonov
                                          
What was meant was that the percentage for music is from
will not be attracted.                       
                                          
14.10.98 Dmitry Meniaylov
                                          
  We're concentrating everything on demo-making... Here,
probably yes - this is an “additional calculation”
The printing device" will be busy with the output
music. But if the “duum” is some kind of de-
should I send data there for processing?
There's 12 MHz after all... If I'm correct
I remember the GS command set - this cannot be implemented
in no way (although at the development stage - by the authors
promised).                               
                                          
10.19.98 Warm greetings, Slava!
                                          
It's not about the money... Enough with the Bills digital
take first place in prizes.  Occupy-
sya - so DEMOMAKING, and not dreams:
"Oh, how cool it would be if I did it on Amiga/PC..."
                                          
Everything with GS is wild compo;  definitely -
non-standard iron...                   
                                          
10.14.98 Artem Kharitonov
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Are you special? How many different ones are there on the spec?
groups, small groups and groups?  If everyone
donate, it must at least pro-
give.  In general, why on earth should we
somethinggive it to someone?  When did SB appear?
on PC - was it given to anyone?             
                                          
Pulling out the subtext from your phrase -
"Whoever will use GS will clearly
Nominal gain both in music and speed," -
we get: "Whoever will use GS is the one
fool" ;)                                 
                                          
You know, if you had 48K with magnetic
tofon, you would also say: “And I
AU with trdosom is not needed, but demos need to be written
at 48K, it worked for me + compatibility with
branded magnetic tape machine" ;)  
                                          
If there is appropriate iron, then
why can't I use it?          
                                          
Dark/X-Trade
10/14/98 Vitaly Vidmirov
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For example, Gravis, when it was unwinding, yes-
reel [SB] on PC-demoparty to the right-to-left-
in - to the most major demo teams. Just,
they fumbled in marketing...                
                                          
GS is not a standard, and unfortunately never will be
They won’t be - it’s not the same time. AU - rox! 
                                          
Demos with GS support - in wild compo -
definitely!10.17.98 Artem Kharitonov
                                          
Well, what’s stopping you from contacting pro-
GS manufacturers and take, say, a loan...
That is, you write programs for GS and send them to
distribution to GS manufacturers.  They
also a benefit! They will not only sell
hardware, but also software for it...               
                                          
10.20.98 Aleksandr V Solodkov
                                          
                                          
 Cool code or completeness of the plot?    
            Genre Separation             
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 By the way, what about Spectrum group
memory that doesn't have a better platform,
make cool demos?                      
  After all, if you remove animation from Forever, then
nothing good will come of this.       
                                          
 Wolf /e.T.c group
10.13.98 Alexander Kulik
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What ifremove music and graphics? Effects?  
                                          
Is it really still impossible to UNDERSTAND!  From demo
You can't just remove something.  It's so-
the same as throwing a solo and a couple of choruses out of a song
letov, from a book - a couple of chapters, from a film pa-
ru episodes...                            
                                          
AK> What if I make a demo with music on GS
AK> and I’ll say that you can’t remove Mouzon, but
AK> then the demo will not look like
AK> necessary.                                 
                                          
It doesn’t matter what it’s done on - it just influences
on quality and speed - it’s important what it’s based on
it will look...                       
                                          
AK> Exactly!  So GS will have to use
AK> use.                           
                                          
In Forever on Speccy it was first offered
but the plot development of demo-making (strictly
plot).  Just don't say that
Before, too, something was caught somewhere...
This did not happen... Due to the embryonic
state of the demoscene... Naturally, everything
accustomed to measuring cool effects in terms of categories
-show. The plot is not in fashion now - give it to-
tossed and turned, possibly feathered with Ami-ga/RS...                                  
                                          
AK> Demos are watched by different categories of people,
AK> some people like effects, some people like them
AK> language, etc.                           
                                          
And for some, design, overall action, harmony.
It is important to feel the special taste of the cocktail,
prepared using standard ingredients
(graphics, music, code, design). When the science
if you try to do this, you will understand why you are doing it
DEMO barks (Artem Kharitonov, 10.25.98).    
                                          
I'm sick of me personally, mediocrity,
lack of self-realization... From creative
I will throw out the process of demomaking on Speccy
that very important detail - the ability to think
pour yourself...                    
                                          
From this quality comes the possibility
do everything from start to finish myself, I
I mean the idea, plot and design!         
                                          
AK> Drawams and plots =-)               
                                          
If you have a desire to self-actualize - de-
bark it in any available way, not pro-
contrary to ethical behavior andconstitution
countries (Artem Kharitonov, 10.25.98).       
                                          
Naturally, this will be a symbiosis of what has been seen
earlier, but what was seen should not predominate
give over one's own creation, it must
just to add...                         
                                          
Of the teams that have learned to do this except
I think we can only be called:
Progress and E-Mage!                        
                                          
Everything...                                    
                                          
cYa, aR7У/dR/FW
10/15/98 Artem Kharitonov
                                          
Alexander Kulik (10/17/98):               
                                          
You didn't specifically answer the question: how,
[without using technical capabilities, without
provided for by accepted standards] de-
make cool demos?                        
                                          
Artem Kharitonov (10.25.98):               
                                          
How can you be more specific?                     
                                          
If you have talent, then there is always an opportunityopportunity to implement it!  No desire -
not possible!  Stop sitting around waiting
miracle...                                   
                                          
Laziness is the enemy of progress!                    
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He's right... And you're right...                   
                                          
In my opinion, it is absolutely clear that it is time to separate
pour demo and (I’ll use my own term) com-
positions.  Even though I'm so eager
protested against the animation here.  And
even imagining that I was present at
FunTop and got down to business... My hand is not
would go up to Forever.  It's strange, but this
my style, I just fell in love with this work
(especially - animated draw). Press like
noe under the slogan "animation every fool
can do" - this is overkill... But this is also
different layers of art...                
                                          
But if it really comes down to it, it is absolutely necessary to increase
enter the amount of compo.                    
                                          
AN> It doesn’t matter what it’s done on - it’s just
AN> affects quality and speed - important
AN> what will it look like...        
This is important.  But one makes a year, and the other -
starts in a week and is proud of it...     
                                          
AN> Forever on Speccy was the first time
AN> the plot development of demo-making is laid down
AN> (strictly plot-based).  Just don't go
AN> to say that there was also something somewhere before
AN> it was caught... This did not happen...       
                                          
There wasn't. That's why I'm shocked. In short, in
why not call it Free Compo?  Since
Is Wild busy? :)                           
                                          
Sincerely, Dmitry (OLDMAN)
10/17/98 Dmitry Grigoryev
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Tuesday October 13 1998, Victor Moskalyov
wrote by Artem Kharitonov:                  
                                          
VM> You can propose to arrange 2 different de-
VM> mo-compo.                             
                                          
VM> First: CLASSIC - Z80@3.5MHz/128K/AU/
VM> TRDOS/DD 5.25, or something like that,
VM> in general - Pentagon 128 & compatible. 
                                          
VM> Second: HI-END - Z80@ >= 7MHz/512K/GS/
VM>HDD.  These are, for example, Profi, Scorpion,
VM> KAU, etc.  You can also allow the use
VM> call non-standard graphics modes
VM> we.                                   
                                          
VM> True, it’s unlikely there will be a second compo
VM> a positive number of jobs is set.
                                          
By the way, not a bad idea about 2 components.
I think there will still be a positive effect
from this matter.  Just eternal again
Troubles with memory expansion port more
128 cubes will start.  And so, I think it’s good
it would be.                                  
                                          
 -=JoCkeR/OmEga HaCkErS Grp/1998ueag=-
10/14/98 Andy Harchenko
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 That's right!  The time has come when
quantity (stupid, but high-quality set
effects) develops into quality (plot).
I completely agree that in the future coders
will be able to show their coolness in mini-
max (4K, 16K), where everyone will be waiting exactly
COOL(advanced! new, fastest, shortest)
effects.                                  
  A full-fledged demo is a story demo,
the demo is cool in terms of style, design, sa-
unda (which should be on topic).  Exactly
work will be viewed here*not  
so much encoder (which is often earlier
was put at the forefront), but of the entire TEAM. 
                                          
All the best, Artem!                  
                                          
Sincerely, Andrew Alexandrow
10/19/98 Andrew FER/Phantom FAMILY corp.
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