Manwe/SandS
Conversation with Manwe/SandS - a famous compo─
Zitor, one of the oldest demosceners
Russia (he started his journey with BK-0010),
author of video podcasts about the demoscene, pop─
forth language polarizerand just for fun─
by a special person :)
Alone>
I always wanted to know how to properly convert─
develop the theme of the “verse” into the theme of the “chorus─
va"? I'm not so good at it
as I would like.
Manwe>
IMHO there should be a verse and chorus at all
different. The Beatles often wrote a verse
Paul, and the chorus is John (or vice versa). Plus
It’s also a good idea to add a third theme - bridge.
If you try to derive a chorus from a verse,
It will be boring, I think.
Alone>
How to connect the chorus with the verse? They have up to─
There must be something in common in harmony, rhythm?
Manwe>
There are songs that have both rhythm and tempo─
occurs when the verse transitions to the chorus. This
quite acceptable. Harmony? Usually, tones─
flatness is general, but there is also a transition to another─
Guiu. In general, in modern music there is not much
It’s clear why you need to adhere to some rules.
Thisthere used to be canons, but now there is a field for
experiment is open. The main thing is to feel─
your measures did not fail, so that it is tasteful.
Alone>
What characterizes the verse and chorus?
are they different from each other?
Manwe>
The chorus is usually more melodic and drawn-out.
And in the verse you can work with the rhythmic
drawing, something interesting to wind up.
Alone>
And what, in your experience, is easier to start with?
Especially in conditions of lack of channels?
Manwe>
Each musician has his own style, personally I
I focus on bass patterns and usually on─
I start with the bass line. Just yesterday on
Nintendo DS filled the track, starting with
bass
Another option is to take a guitar or sit down
piano, develop a sequence
chords, hum a melody - then you can ─
start writing in the tracker right away with the melody.
Unless you fill the drums in advance so that
don't make a mistake in the rhythm.
Alone>
What about filling channels? I usually stuff
one pattern to the fullest, then I write on
variations of it.
Manwe>
Hmm... I usually leave at least one channel
free so that your hands are untied. Ina─
Why is it then difficult to break free from the pattern,
given by the initial pattern.
In general, in my opinion, it is better to first work out
verse and chorus on a live instrument. Or
at least sing it. Otherwise later in the process
tracking is already more difficult to move on to a fresh idea
(if she comes at all)
Alone>
This is where the problem lies with those peoplewhich are not
know how to play live) I usually have a fresh one
the idea comes the next day (but on the other
On the other hand, if you postpone the track for a year, then it won’t
comes at all).
Manwe>
The computer keyboard is also a “live” instrument─
rument, you can poke your fingers into it
improvisation mode without writing anything down
pattern. Also an option.
Alone>
Do you often use muse modeling─
ki in Renoise before writing mods?
What Renoise features are used in this?
Manwe>
Before making a MOD, I usually Sochi─
I learn the basis of the composition on guitar, piano─
but, in the Renoise tracker or sequencer
GarageBand. I often take sounds from GarageBand
instruments, there are some good synthesizers.
I don’t use special Renoise chips - I take
it’s just to be of high quality─
Great 16-bit sound and no limitations
by the number of channels, as in MOD.
But usually I initially expect that
the final track will be in 4 channels and 1 me─
gigabyte, so I immediately think through games with
taking this into account.
Alone>
How do you make samples? Digitize
do you generate or cut from records?
Manwe>
Previously, I cut a lot from recordings - with
radio, from cassettes. Then from CDs.
Not loops, but individual sounds of the instrument─
cops, especially the individual drums.
Then some good synthesizers appeared,
synthesized them. There is such a tracker -
Psycle. It has a very good built-in
synthesis.He synthesized quite a lot, and
then inserted the resulting samples into the tradition─
tion tracker.
Later I started using sample instruments─
cops from GarageBand, there are high-quality “live─
new" tools, 24-bit. Can I naru─
pour as you need, turn it up loud─
Yes (the bit margin allows).
Alone>
How do you get a separate instrument from the record?
si?
Manwe>
Usually in the introduction to a song there are sections─
Flax-sounding instruments. Sound editor─
torus you highlight these half a second in which
a clean guitar note sounds, save it in
a separate file, and it’s already looped in the tracker─
eat.
Now I thought it makes sense to leave─
take samples from guitar lessons :)
In general, from any video lessons on playing
any instrument. If only there was sound from the instrument─
ment was recorded directly into the line, and not
through the microphone of the video camera.
Alone>
But an interesting question - if the tool
synthesized, then a pop─
copyright grew (although for standard
There may be only a dozen bytes of FM chips
information).
Manwe>
Even if you take a ready-made preset from VST syn─
the thesator, copyright will not be violated.
Unless you have the VST synthesizer itself
pirate
Alone>
Nowadays copyright law goes so far as to
what do works of one line protect?
ki...
Manwe>
The stage lives by its own laws, it’s more humane─
nom. It's one thing to steal someone else's melody -
it's nothumanely. Another thing is to go to what─
to the guy who has a cool synthesizer,
and ask to digitize a few for yourself
sounds. I remember I went to Pavel Karmanov
digitize the cool "Roland" to use─
create these sounds in the tracker. One of my friends
I took samples for “Ansonic” from Artemyev. All
early trackers went to someone for sam─
flame - both Purple Motion and Dune.
By the way, I have an article about copyright
right to demoscene.ru.
Alone>
Yes, I read it, very good article.
Manwe>
Tangerine took samples from "Ansonic"
McSound, and always indicated him in
credits.
On the Stage, convey greetings and respects - са─
my dear business. Humanism! :)
Alone>
It’s even better - you won’t find fault.
In general, the most important thing is not to do
the original author feels bad.
Is it okay to remix other people's themes without
indications of original authorship? Last─
its time some very trollish lanes─
characters began to rewrite other people's modules
almost note for note and set under
by your name. How they fought this during the time─
exchange of the old scene?
Manwe>
If the author writes “I forbid making a remix─
sy", then yes - it’s better not to do it. And if not
writes, it’s better to ask first. In the 90s
Several people called or wrote to me,
asking if it could be remixed. I'm done─
where he allowed, with the condition that it would not be
hardcore gabba :)
Change other people's tracks without indicating the authorthe original is, of course, a weird thing.
I don't understand why. Previously on Stage for this
the musician instantly lost his reputation. His works
It’s just that no one downloaded or listened to it anymore.
One person brought Sound to the demoparty
Storm 98 tracker module of Necros and higher─
posted under his own name. Tangerine and I
they called him almost at night, to the phone on─
Apparently, my father and I have arrived very formally
voice introduced himself as the organizer of the festival─
Valya (and I was one), said that I was calling on
about copyright infringement and asked
to the phone of this would-be musician. Looks like
he was really scared. Probably from
I still got my parents. More we have it on
Didn't see the scene.
Alone>
Wow)
On tsts2004 I remember the incident with the remix tre─
like LAV, but it wasn’t so cruel there)
Manwe>
And I'm not very good at trolling on the ZX scene.
I'm watching. Judging by pouet.net, they love it in Europe too
troll. Although, of course, we are tense
higher passions :)
Alone>
Maybe we haven't gotten over it yet?
Manwe>
Maybe. Or the general situation in society─
ve more intense.
Alone>
It’s interesting that that fa─ didn’t work for us
the speaker who visited the foreigners - where is he─
A person with a demo could find a job in IT.
By the way, the archive of the magazine is posted on the Internet
Game Developer Magazine:
http://www.gdcvault.com/gdmag
It's a pity that we didn't read it all THEN...
And when ideas first appear in scientific
publications of all kindsSIGGRAPHs, about them
no one really knows on stage...
Manwe>
But we had an incentive to do something ourselves─
think.
Alone>
In my experience, the idea is better than the beginning─
it doesn't work when you see someone's finished
implementation, because previously it could even have occurred to
don't think it's possible)
And you don’t need to look at the code, beyond the ideas
go by themselves)
Manwe>
Well, yes.
Alone>
Have you tried non-standard tunings? Is there
is there a future for them in tracker music?
Here, for example, is the Bohlen-Pierce gamma, basic─
bathroom at odd ratios - open
in 1984, was seriously studied within the framework
musical psychology. They really are all
gravity series were built.
Manwe>
It's strange, of course.
I have a Turkish baglama instrument, in
in it the octave is divided into 24 tones, and
semitones in the ratio of 4/9 to 5/9.
In the tracker on BK-0010 I tried natural─
The new Pythagorean scale is also normal─
but...
If you listen to oriental music, then mo─
You can try to imitate a sitar or bug─
Lama with 24 steps. But this is a narrow area
applications. Otherwise people will accept it
how false.
Alone>
In 22-tone someone writes, 19-tone,
17-tone, "Wendy Carlos' Beta scale was
used, which is essentially a stretched
form of 19-tone equal temperament", "Equal
division of the perfect fifth into 8 equal
parts"...
Some people don’t even have the concept of an octave, basicallyThe ratio is not 2:1.
Manwe>
22-tone sounds good.
There are so many theories! :)
It seems to me that they are evenly tempered
the rows are less interesting.
Alone>
Yes, you should definitely stick to simple draws─
Hit with small numbers.
Manwe>
17-tone - tolerable :)
It seems to me that people with a programming background─
the house of the mind should be interesting experiments
with rhythmic patterns and meters. A
experiments with sound series and harmonics─
niyami is still something else.
Alone>
In terms of experiments with rhythm, you're right, I do
did :) http://zxtunes.com/author.php?
id=251&play=2463
I usually start all my writing with
drums. And often they don’t get to the melody :)
This track, by the way, was written with the
sound :)
Manwe>
Your rhythm is cool. I love all sorts of things─
something to listen to :) And my drummer friend usually
is indignant, says “this is some kind of muse─
feces trap!" :)
And you will write a MOD for the competition, announce─
sponsored by the Scoopex group?
Alone>
Unfortunately, I don't know how to write MODs, I don't even
wrote my digital music editor
(by the way, what is it called on BC and PC
stage?), but could not finish anything in it.
And now, when there are so many free
sounds are available, everything is somehow jammed
MODs.
On the Spectrum there are GS, NGS, but in the demes mu─
language from the Amiga of the hairy year.
Manwe>
The bookmaker had Strogino Sound Tracker (SST), and
It's easiest on PCWrite MODs in Scream
Tracker 3 - there is an ogre highlight mode─
differences in the MOD format. On the Amiga, of course
case, ProTracker 4.1. Writing MODs is nothing─
th complex, a regular tracker, as under AY.
Just a few extra commands
type offset - offset so that the sample is not with
played from the very beginning. Sometimes useful.
Alone>
But everything grew out of this
http://csdb.dk/release/?id=59929
There are rumors that on some synthesizers
there was a similar interface, but where is unknown.
Manwe>
KORG's synthesizers had similar
patterns.
But when you have a computer with a full
the keyboard is a completely different matter. And
if also with a mouse...
Alone>
By the way, this year I met live with
Bookmakers on DiHalt Lite and looked at their software
(there is an unreleased game there). Everything is on view─
nte that needs to be distilled. There are many more─
go floppy disks, there may also be something uni─
feces.
Manwe>
Yes, the BC scene is cool. I keep dreaming for─
take your old hard drive from St. Petersburg with
unreleased projects for BC.
Alone>
An island of that same old scene :)
Manwe>
You are idealizing the old scene :) But about
I agree with the current animation in demos -
that's not the point. That's why we're at the demo party
BC-mania did not allow the use of Vinches─
ter.
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