Scream #03 31 января 2003

Демосцена

lai pissas - Relict Raver and reflect on the scene.

__lai-pisaas chast pervaja - serija misl o scene
__Relict/Phantasy/K3L 'Raver / Phantasy


Tak, noch pochti proshla, dva kosjaka tozhe i posle prosmotra
neskolko demok i gazet mi s Relict'omreshili pogovorit 'o
scene. Reshili pogovorit dlja vas, i reshili pogovorit 'po
russki, tak kak zhelanie pochitat 'chto-to po angliski u tebja,
chitatel, navernoe pojavitsa tolko posle nashego razgavora: D

Raver budet pisat s zelonimi bukvam, eto ego zasluzhenoe pravo,
a Relict-na golubom, tak kak nichego drugogo emu ne ostajotsa
8D Tolko ne podumaite, chto mi tak obkurilis, chto uzhe cveta v
etom jobannom word'e vidim, vsjo po prezgnemu chorno-beloe, no
statju to budim davat 'tolko tokoj gazete, gde vozmozhna
razkraska teksta. Ne izvestno poka, esho kakomu tolko.

And listen to freaky music ... Hahaha ... My color is
blue, although I'm not gay, but necrophile, but it is by the 
way 8D Jah-dealers insolent! Today palmed shoals of tobacco!

Horror! We must cultivate themselves, but only next year: (

A prichem tut narkomani? V smisle, v muzike? Mnogie delaja
drum'n'bassv svojom zhiznje nichego ne probuvali da i probuvat '
ne hochet ... Hotja, kto ne pil pivo? A alkagol ved 'narkotik 
kak i vsjo drugoe, mda okay horosho to est 'davai luche o chem 
to pogovorim, a to uzhe 100KB nabacali, a chitateljam vsjo esho 
ne interesno!


Journals shit!

Net zhurnali krasivie! Vot, ocherednoj raz perechital neskolko
nomerov Propaganda paru dnej nazad, staroe, no chitat '
interesno, vspominut 'o tom vremeni tozhe, kak bi istorija ne
gde ne propala, sobrat 'informaciju o konkretnom periode vremeni
vsegda mozhno ...

Okay, I agree! There are also beautiful, but the content ... 
You yourself talking about Commodore64 press, but we did write 
it for speccy People!


Aaaa, a to ja dumal, pochemu space key takoj malenkij;) No ti
zhe vspominul o zhurnalah, vot Propagandakazhetsa moj samij
ljubimij iz nih, koneshno esho Dominationhorosh, i Scene + bil
takim, a chto mne prihodit v golovu, dumaja o spektrume, tak eto
Subliminal Extacy, kotorij bil takom vesjolim i na angliskom
(Chto???) I Scenergy, kotorij izvesten tem, chto vihodit, kogda
stati uzhe na god ili dva ustareli, i nakonec dve inogda dazhe
ochen ne plohie gazeti Born Deadi # z80.

I think it's time for a new speccypokazatsya stsenovym 
publications but because of what got the idea of ​​obsurdnoe

stage, this process is very slow progresiruet a pity, people
could just learn more Easten stsenovy spirit that we
Hang on to that big subculture.

Ja bi skazal, chto eto ne absurdnoe predstavlenie, a skoree
absurdnaja scena. Scena zhe est ', vse eti ljudi, kotorie delaet
chto to na speke i imeet svjaz mezhdu soboj. Prosto oni
obrashaet bolshe vnimanie na to, kakie novie akseleratori
vipusheni dlja amigichem na to, chto ego brat scener vipustil
na tom zhe speke. To est 'v prese ochen malo samoe glavnoe -
novostei, obzori softa (obzori seichas uzhas - skoree golaja
informacija o tom chto vipusheno voobshe), intervju s sceneram i
hehe te zhe charti. No ob etom uzhe mnogo govoril ja, skuchno,
no kazhetsa ljudi ne znaet kak podderzhat bratvu, ved 'delaem mi
drug dlja druga vsjo eto, a pressa - eto zerkalo sceni, kotoraja
dolzhna bit 'svjazei mezhdu sozdatelei i upotrevitelei, kotorie
te zhe sceneri, s kazhdom novom relizom menjajas rolami.

It's an absurd scene? Yes, I agree with you, but how it can be 
even called an absurd scene, if people do not respect a 
tradition scenes and people who are much more an honor to be 
called sceners than those who themselves and their kind so feel

though can not prove himself his stsenovostyu where else
jobs. However, there is at speccyi people who prove themselves
as one of the luchshh in his craft, but the elite can not be 
called only because of the stupid prestige in the eyes of those 
who are less understand the scene. Yes, I agree, and that on 
the specs in the journals a lot of things lacking, but the 
situation is still little by little improving, though not so 
actively and fully as possible. 

Uluchaetsa, yeah! A tradiciji tolko obrazuetsa, tak kak vsjo
nastojashoe oldskool na speke uzhe zabito - vspomim, chto ne v
Rosije ili v CCCP spekovskaja scena obrazovalas. Prijatno
vidit ', chto mnogie esho uvazhaet takie klassniji (i
klasicheskie) veshi kak LSD / Pentagram, The Lyra II / ESI,
Schizophrenia / Exodus da i Satisfaction / CBS i Assorty / DMS, 
no malo kto znaet o vseh etih ljudei iz Polshe, Daniji, Sheciji,

Germaniji, Norvegiji i drugih stran, kotoriji bili scenoj togda.
Eto koneshno ne istorija C64, gde v eto vremja uzhe bili
parties, boards, zhurnali i tak dalee, no istennie tradiciji
spektruma u nas kak bi ot teh vremjon. A vsjo chto mi imeem v
nasledstvo, eto ne pravelnoe nazvanie cracker'ov (hackers) i
obsolutnij bullshit, chto Bill Gilberteto "hakerskaja" grupa,
haha, ved 'eto 100% jasno, chto eto bil odin chuvak iz Polshe.
Medlenno i russkaja scena nachinaet druzhit 's zapadnoj, no
slitsa ne vozmozhno poka russkij jazik i debilniji TR-DOS
loaderi etogo prosto ne razrishaet.

Befriending the beginning, but this is really fun! But still 
many are not English want to teach, although a knowledge of 
english is much more benefits to complete the work on stage. 
For example, in basically all stsenovaya information only in 
English. Many sceners not from ex-USSR countries and do not 
understand Russian, and English is the only way how to keep 
contact with them and understand them works as it works East 
scene. English is in itself need not only the stage but in real 
life. I English is very bad I know, but teach yourself if there 
is goal, then it becomes even more interesting exercise. And 
about programs only TR-DOS, I can say that this production for

Local scene, albeit often to say hello to the western scene
as a bud nasmehivayas over them. For example, the demo for only
Pentagon 128 owners will see only his or through emulyator,
which makes the product more local, as with TR-DOS, if
The program is made only by him, then this program is local, 
though and not so hard to do for that, she normally worked

all Spectrum. Or maybe people have not yet reached a level
that-be to release their software for viewing the entire scene? 
: P 

Well, mir TR-DOS bolshoj i stoit i delat 'dlja nego. Sistemki
tozhe ne ochen to udobno i dazhe vozmozhno delat 's diskovim
funkcijam v beisike, takim programam nuzhni nekotorie versiji.
Kazhetsa, vremja zapadnim spektrumistam vibrat 'diskovuju
sistemu, kotoraja stanet novim standartom. Esli eto budet ne
TR-DOS (i vrjad li eto budet, tak kak mnogie etu sistemu ne
navidit, i ne ochen horosha ona tozhe), tak pust 'budet dva
standarta, vsjo taki mozhno delat 'pod dvuh sistem, no pod
kazhduju, kotoruju izpolzuet seichas eto ne vozmozhno. Ja bi
vsjo taki vibral TR-DOS, slishkom uzh mnogim eta sistema imeetsa
k tomu zhe softa dlja nei navalom. Zhelezjaki! Hvatet
bezsmislenih navarotov, sdelaite prostuju shemu i opisanie, kak
podkljuchit 'betadisk k modeljam firmenogo spektruma i prodaite
russkim zhelezo-izgotoviteljam ili delaite gotovie interfeisi s
dokumentacijei i prodaite ih Sintech v Germanie. Baksi poluchite
i sistema stanet dostupna po vsjudu.

What is your opinion about demoparties? In general, I see that 
no I only, but many other people began to look more negative 
than on the parties because of the results, which are now 
generally affect his debilizmom. You would think that people 
are not parties assess the quality of the product, and its 
slope with some primitovnami chips that hit people so that we 
can think teenagers gathered at the party pinned.


Scena ved 'bolshoj prikol i rezultati takie, kakih mi
zasluzhili. Esli ljudam eto vizivaet udovolstve, to znachit eto
ne polnoe dermo:) Vsjo taki inogda sovsem strannie rezultati
pojavlaetsa, osobenno eto kasaetsa muziki. Mozhet u russkij
narod sovsem po drugomu muziku vozprinimaet, no slushet to
bolshinstvo zapadnuju (to est '"realnuju" a ne chipmusic)
muziku, znachit i to nravitsa! Interesno bilo chitat 'v kakoj
to, ne pomnju tochno kakoj, gazete chto muzika s PHAT9ne
ochen ... Po moemu samaja luchaja muzika s parties in 1999-togo
goda! A demki ... Anamnesisodna iz teh, kotoruju smotret 'vtoroj
raz ne hochetsa, animaciji tam protivnie i tolko para mest
zasluzhaet vnimanie - dazhe sjuzhet ne vpolne ponjatnij - chto
zhe interesnoe ili zabavnoe oni hoteli skazat '? Eto kak bi
sjuzhet radi sjuzheta! Ved 'patrioticheskiji chasti o speke
mozhno bilo vkljuchit bez kakih to prishelcov, ja to luche
Energy / Cosmix posmotrju, esli o UFO idjot rech! Govorja o
parties voobshe, Chaos Constructionsbezuslovno samoe bolshoe
sobite dlja spektruma, no vsjo taki slishkom lokalna eta party.
Ploho to, chto v Rosije trudno popast ', da iv mirovih scenah
amigii PCona ne imeet nikakoj ves. No eta party ochen nuzhna i
dolzhna stat 'dlja ex-USSR tem, chem sluzhit Assemblyi The
Party dlja mira. Takzhe perspektivna kazhetsa Forever, kotoraja
uzhe sebja pokazala kak nastojashaja mezhdunrodnaja party.
Nascjot nashei, PHAT party, mogu skazat ', chto zdes ne cel
sobrat 'kak mozhno bolshe ljudei, a sozdat' obstanovku, gde vse
prisutstvuishie imeet vozmozhnost 'uchastvovat' v obshem
prikljuchenie, kotoroe bi nekogda ne sluchilos bez pomishi
sceni, a takzhe dat 'vozmozhnost' sceneram (i tem, kotorie ne
prisutstvuet) dat 'ih raboti dlja otcenki v alternativnih
obstajatelstve.

In demomaking'e neumeet people themselves to express their
individuality and design. At speccy scene design is often
on the latter plan, though it is one of the most (!!!)
the most important features in demostroenii. People do not 
learn even in their errors, where else it with another's:) The 
speccytak many talented people, but why do they spend their 
talent on the lower quality products if they are Required to 
promote them refuse, to justify the fact that they are 
satisfied with their work or that they themselves will cope, 
but in most cases it is not. For example, Real Masters Group, 
spoiled his image on stage only because of the fact that they 
do not have a designer. Though they are 3 years Streak 
participated in the demo compos, but the support height of 
their works at a low level.


U nih kod ohujennij (krome mozhet bit 'Anamnesis)! Po moemu tam
koder maniak:) No grafika i muzika polnij otstoj, i koneshno
dizain tozhe. Ljudam nravetsa, da oni prosto i ne podozrivaet,
kak namnogo luche vsjo mogli bi bit '. Da i esho est 'takie
gordie samuraji-odinochki kak Serzhi Gas in 1913, kotorie svojo 
delo znaet, no ne hochet vstupid v ne odnoj grupe, potomu chto 
hochet svoju "svobodu" sohranit '. Smeshno, ja podkolol 
Serzh'avstupit ' v 3SC, a nekotoroe vremja potom on opjat 
'otkazalsa ot etogo, govorja, chto prosto sotrudnichit budet. 
Nu a nafig ne v grupe, gde est 'obshoe delo, gde mozhno 
gorditsa svojom leiblom i ne tolko kodit 'vmeste, no i aktivno 
obshatsa s memberam i radovatsa za pobedi tovarishei, i 
koneshno uchastvovat 'v zhizni grupi. Bit 'bez grupi, eto kak 
ne imet svoju rodnuju stranu i zemljakov! Nu da ladno, delo za 
nih. I delo s asociacijam takzhe ne ochen jasno - esli u vas 
imja, kotoroe vas predstavlaet, to nafig esho imet neskolko 
drugih? Budte odnoj grupoj! A to ljudi putaet eti nazvanie s 
nazvaniam grup, kotorie vhodit v asociacijah, da i onogda grupa 
uzhe v skolko asociaijah, hotja eto prosto oznochet chto vezde 
pishem esho odno nazvanie - bezsmislenno, da i dorogie baiti na 
tekstovih soobsheniah terjaetsa: D


But how can you "not knowing how much better things might have
to be. "if there are other groups who have proved it is not even
having steep encoders, for example, CC000 invtitationby 
Razzlers, which interrupted the rest of its design, so they 
have proved by design, however heard that someone does not like 
it, but I do not care for their opinion, as demomaking arts 
rather than window dressing coders, and while it does not reach 
many people, they will be releasing semi-finished products:) Of 
course, the steeper the encoder, the better the chances 
victory, but without the designer's imagination or are in 
prevraschyaetsya product that no one remembers. For example, 
none (!) chunks demo is not interrupted in the coolness and 
agility the same Refresh, which is 4 years from the time she 
got on scene.


Yes, Refresh # 1chunks demo. Mozhet tolko Goaperebjot Refresh'a,
tak kak tam grafika i muzika luche; DA Napalm? Slishkom
tormozniji efekti, teksturi parshivie i netu togo dinamizma. Ja
takzhe vidal 64K Exploder'a na amige i efekti tam bili ochen
dazhe krutie, no vsjo izportila muzika Visual'a, huzhe kotoroj
ja na amige navernoe ne slishal. Vsem ne ugadit '... Pravelno, 
no pochemu vsjo po inomu na drugih scen, gde horoshie veshi - te

vshi, kotorie mne kazhetsa horoshim, zamechaet i visoko
otcenivaet? Ili chto to ne v porjadke s vsem ostalnim ili mozhet
na spektrume bolee vazhno kak vigljadit source a ne demo v
obshem? Vse eti teksti v demkah, to li s metal muzike ili,
huzhe, "umniji" frazi na krivom angliskom prosto ne rabotaet! A
rabotaet inogda demki s tekstami tipa "and now coming up tasty
4096 sinedots - count'em! ", To est 'esli eta demka postroena
tak, chto eto estestvenno vkljuchaetsa, sozdavaja celoe.
Snotrish takoe celoe potom i atmosfera sozdavaetsa, takoe ili
inoe, no netu mest v kotorih tebja hochetsa krichat '- nu blja
suki takoj horoshij kod a vot eti debilniji teksti ili nu kak
mozhno tak svodit efekti ili muzika zhe sovsem ne podhodit,
takaja bistraja a demo tornoz ili kakogo huja oni opjat '
konvertirovali eti fonti s PC kotorie uzhe mi videlo sto raz,
eto zhe SPEKTRUM SPEKTRUM SPEKTRUM!

And not without fault in this journal, which can not sensibly do
demoreview. Where else demoreview, if the review games even 
climb each other in the ass, something would not spoil 
relations with its friends. And in magazines very little to 
discuss stsenovuyu products and problems, as the blame can be 
blamed on anything:) But the true scene in the speccy not so 
much as a lot more is user'ov, gamer'ov or those who like to 
speccy much more, but not the stage, and consider their classes 
stsenovymi. Well as many who are on this platform just because 
of the fact that can not afford to buy IBM or other computer 
for leisure. But by for some reason they themselves 
pricheslyayut to the scene, though slightly learned to do on 
your computer, but do not work in the good scenes. Spektrumisty 
not distinguish who is who, and all cooked in a porridge. Bet 
es gribu guleet. Kaut vinji visi nospraagtu. Citiem vaardiem 
lai pisaas! 

Ej dirst! Jaamizo kartupelji! Lai pisaas!!!

Net ja voobshe hujeju. Za oknom kakie to chitire bomzha
tusuetsa, Relict im sprosil, chto ishet, a oni hodit s
metal-detektorom i govorit chto proshlom godu zdes dva lata
poterjali hahahahah! ktomu zhe u nas zdes bila nebolshaja
improvizacija na temu Demiurge Ashvs Arty;) Okay, mi poshli
kartoshku zharit ', podozhdite nemnoshko ...



WE ARE BACK! Vkusno bilo! Nu tak, davai, poka!

For all questions can send letters to:
Relict/Phantasy/K3L relict@lycos.com
Raver with chips egons@re-lab.net