Demo Мысли
Fox Fluffy^^s
Недавно почитал на форуме ZX.РК.RU ветку про СС^2OOS. Прочитал
многоthreads of different people, and, as usual, I found two
opposing opinions that seemed to have already become eternal
the confrontation between good and evil. The first opinion is optimistic: “Everything
go crazy, we are glad that Spectrum is breathing, living, stage
progresses. Demos, here, interesting, non-standard, chunks in
there are none... And in general, everything is beautiful. Let's live!!!"
The second opinion is also banal: “Everything is bad, broken.” GAME
OVER complete..." I will not focus on these opinions,
because this time I was touched by something else - namely, strange
Some people's attitude towards UKYCCTBY!!!
Without trying to take the liberty of dictating certain dogmas to the people
I’ll just settle to express MY thoughts (I have every right). Possibly
some may find the ideas not without meaning, but I won’t
be very worried if this does not happen. SO, I bet
the following questions:
1 Что есть Demo.
Demo is a type of computer creativity. Direction
computer creativity is possible. And creativity is art.
A simple answer to a simple question is obvious but will be used in
all the following conclusions.
2 Attempt at classification.
As you know, people try to classify everything. It's easier that way. B
In any art, in any creativity, there are genres, styles,
trends, if you like. We have a wealth of experience in demo-making. From LYRA
2 to KKolor via Refresh, Condommed, Uapalm, etc. No need
cling to the names, I took them by chance (or maybe because in
remained in the subconscious). I think in such a rich world there must be
some classification
-By style
-By Purpose (didn’t occur to anyone?)
(now they will say by size, but the nominations have been invented
artificially, and we do not consider them. Regarding
MegaDemo/Eurodemo are also not styles, but rather designs)
I'll start with the goals. Since art and sport have merged with us
thanks to festivals (DEMOparty), where Creativity competes with
other creativity. In principle, the idea in its pure form is good! And what?
Films have been exhibited for a long time. Music in the charts... Why are we worse?
The only problem is that we can’t learn to evaluate everything, that’s why we vote
for the authors and then argue on the forums!
So there is a Demo for Party and there is just a Demo... :) Is it funny?
No!!! Because if I want to win the comp, I have to lay
in your Demo what appeals to THAT audience that will APPRECIATE.
If I create art for art's sake, I allow myself
abstract from conditions and go into the pure process of creation
(then I really cantest and get either the highest score or
rubbish fail)
As for styles, this question is much more subtle. Dems - not
music that contains Xun-hop and rock, but in demos it’s music
(do you know demos without music???) sets this style. In demes
the concept of style is blurry, but each of them is a carrier
THEIR unique style, and then, the brightest ones become even more
and the founders of styles. It’s not for nothing that they say - Here’s the dema in
Forever style! And this one is in Uapalm style!
I believe that it is a sign of good form and taste to stand your ground
creations in a single style for HIM. That's it. What will he be like?
it's up to you. The creator is YOU!
For example:
Style "ACTIOU" Lack of plot. Fast changing effects, synchronized with
music, Watches in one breath. Emphasis on code. Focus on fix with
music. Representatives: (ACTIOU (Including OF SAVERS :),
Uapalm, Trash, Rage, Illusion, Uibble Dreams...
Synopsia style
Demo with an application for meaning, plot, idea if you want! Coding
secondary The emphasis is on making the viewer think...
I won’t name representatives - because in its pure form it’s not particularly
you will meet. It's hard to make a song with meaning. And Demka even more so!
But you have to strive :))
I like all styles, one wish to the creators - don’t delay
scenes! if you have 2 effects for 2 minutes of music, don’t
show minute one andminute two, combine :)
3 Attempt at evaluation.
-Who are the judges??? I really want to ask. The hottest debate
develops in this very place! Let's try to figure it out. For
Let's start thinking. What's cooler - Leonardo da Vinci's Giaconda
or Repin's painting - 'Didn't you expect it?' :))) I mean what is objective
creativity cannot be assessed. For we are all subjects. Objective
scales, tape measure and voltage gauge;) - instruments. And we are all people. And
Some people also like Malevich's square. What are we assessing? Some
subjective factor! And if you take the voting hall at Party
then the voting result indirectly depends on how many
hall:
-Coders (appreciate coding, coding perversions, algorithms.
they don't respect PEOPLE rendering)
-Musicians (music, harmony :) )
-Artists (graphics (disputes about whether they converted or not :) )
-Designers/stylists (guys with subtle taste)
- Non-computer people (visual perception, jokes, humor)
-Intelligence (ALL together, to the extent of their preferences)
-Drunk (they value NOTHING, everyone screws up)
-Friends of the authors (Vote for NIKI)
H Comparison errors.
There is no need to confuse mediocrity and non-standardism! Dumb things
Everyone will see and we won’t consider them. If we talk about Party then there
It’s not for nothing that they should do preselect. The only one, the main one, and the stupid one
The mistake is that they DO NOT argue about TASTES! And if now in
there are fewer people in the room who like the "XYZ" style, this does not mean that
they are wrong. Among pop music there was always UUDERGROUUD. Those who
cut a road in chunks with multicolors and just kkolor^s
worthy of respect for the IDEA, the trend. Those who went first often
got hit on the forehead. But he often became a leader!
5 Trends.
Who doesn't remember Style '95? Attribute scrolls, simple
creeping lines, balls on sines and cosines?
Who doesn't remember the Style of '97? Everyone was hanging out in plasma! Anytime
we find plasma.
Who doesn't remember Style '98? When did the world drown in chunks? He
I swam in them for hours!!!
Recently there was CC2OOS! You will ask more questions why.
The winner has won? NOVELTY. This time SHE decided.
I was talking about Festival demos! But besides them there were those
are not exhibited anywhere, in which a claim for originality, plushighest quality! I wasn't asked, but I personally like them
such demos are stars in their own right. Which are simply like art.
:) I won’t give examples - you’ll consider it lobbying!
There have always been trends. There will always be stars in their background. And how
their representatives and as breakers. Let's see what this one brings
year!
b Development prospects.
Well now all the skeptics and pessimists will rise up and say yes
what the hell are the prospects, haven’t you seen SS 2OOS??? yes it's the same
bullshit! And in general, screw this Spectrum! So there you go! For Spectrum
Why, why bother going to forums? I don’t care about blue ones - I’m into them
I don’t go to forums!! And I don’t get into their souls! (And inbathroom too :)
There is always room for improvement. Once upon a time we left the chunk
dead end... Was there one? There was so much talk that Demo survived
the coders squeezed everything possible out of the processor, it’s pisish
rendering kills true creativity...
Personally, SS 2OOS showed me new trends and these are the trends of our
time! THIS is our modern art! And it is what it is!
And tomorrow it will be different! We'll see which one! It's stupid to remember the past
and look up to him! YES, these demos are different! They are no worse and no
better! How cave paintings can't be worse than computer paintings
graphics! And that creativity - and this! Clear ?!
Sinus>
So, as usual, my opinion partially disagrees with the opinion of
FOX. In this case, it concerns development prospects. I don't
I will download Spectrum specifically, since it is much more
global issue.
The demoscene is dead, and that's my opinion. Moreover, if on Spectrum
and other SbCh = she is still somehow holding on, then this is only because
these are weak machines, and there is still room for improvement for coders and
designers (remember KKolor - the limitations of the Spectrum (color on
familiar place) defeated once again by another method).
Musicians will try to squeeze new chips out of AYs,
artists will try to create in multicolors and two
bitplanes. So, gentlemen, rejoice, Spectrum is still alive ^_~
However, on a more global level, things are much worse. As I said
ED from the Amiga group v-pom, 3D accelerators killed the demoscene. In
times when there were no 3D accelerators, coders laid down all the code
on the processor, inventing new original algorithms and
optimizing old ones. Nobody was fixated on 3D. It was invented
many original 2D effects.Well, if someone couldn’t stir up evil 3D (or just write
tons of monotonous formulas), then I came up with some kind of hack,
which gave a similar effect, but with less effort.
But accelerators appeared. And everyone suddenly started spinning bagels,
tunnels and other nonsense. Everything became monotonous.
... But I'm not the only one so smart. Some also realized that 3D is not
there is a complete rulez. Minimalist demos appeared that
I will henceforth call them stagers.
Stage demos prefer wire objects to filled and
untextured textured. Everything is being simplified
possible. Spectrum, by the way, is no exception either. Let's remember the last
demos from skruju.
However, a certain “stage” style soon began to appear, when
stage quality is inferior to fixing, euphony of music and simply
common sense.
...Which we couldwatch on CC^2OOS...
Most likely, the demos will be different. If before dema = code +
Xmusic + graphics, then in the future it will most likely be in the demo
music, style and graphics reign supreme. And the code (from which all
demoscene has begun ^_~) will be moved to the last positions,
or they will be thrown out altogether. The demo turns into a new kind of clip.
And let everyone decide for themselves whether this is good or bad for them.
Most likely, the demos will be different. If before dema = code +
Xmusic + graphics, then in the future it will most likely be in the demo
music, style and graphics reign supreme. And the code (from which all
demoscene has begun ^_~) will be moved to the last positions,
or they will be thrown out altogether. The demo turns into a new kind of clip.
And let everyone decide for themselves whether this is good or bad for them.
FOX> Basically, he didn’t say anythingcontrary to mine!
1 Что есть Demo.
Demo is a type of computer creativity. Direction computer creativity is possible. And creativity is art. A simple answer to a simple question is obvious but will be used in all the following conclusions. 2 Attempt at classification.
As you know, people try to classify everything. It's easier that way. B In any art, in any creativity, there are genres, styles, trends, if you like. We have a wealth of experience in demo-making. From LYRA 2 to KKolor via Refresh, Condommed, Uapalm, etc. No need cling to the names, I took them by chance (or maybe because in remained in the subconscious). I think in such a rich world there must be some classification -By style -By Purpose (didn’t occur to anyone?) (now they will say by size, but the nominations have been invented artificially, and we do not consider them. Regarding MegaDemo/Eurodemo are also not styles, but rather designs) I'll start with the goals. Since art and sport have merged with us thanks to festivals (DEMOparty), where Creativity competes with other creativity. In principle, the idea in its pure form is good! And what? Films have been exhibited for a long time. Music in the charts... Why are we worse? The only problem is that we can’t learn to evaluate everything, that’s why we vote for the authors and then argue on the forums! So there is a Demo for Party and there is just a Demo... :) Is it funny? No!!! Because if I want to win the comp, I have to lay in your Demo what appeals to THAT audience that will APPRECIATE. If I create art for art's sake, I allow myself abstract from conditions and go into the pure process of creation (then I really cantest and get either the highest score or rubbish fail) As for styles, this question is much more subtle. Dems - not music that contains Xun-hop and rock, but in demos it’s music (do you know demos without music???) sets this style. In demes the concept of style is blurry, but each of them is a carrier THEIR unique style, and then, the brightest ones become even more and the founders of styles. It’s not for nothing that they say - Here’s the dema in Forever style! And this one is in Uapalm style! I believe that it is a sign of good form and taste to stand your ground creations in a single style for HIM. That's it. What will he be like? it's up to you. The creator is YOU! For example: Style "ACTIOU" Lack of plot. Fast changing effects, synchronized with music, Watches in one breath. Emphasis on code. Focus on fix with music. Representatives: (ACTIOU (Including OF SAVERS :), Uapalm, Trash, Rage, Illusion, Uibble Dreams... Synopsia style Demo with an application for meaning, plot, idea if you want! Coding secondary The emphasis is on making the viewer think... I won’t name representatives - because in its pure form it’s not particularly you will meet. It's hard to make a song with meaning. And Demka even more so! But you have to strive :)) I like all styles, one wish to the creators - don’t delay scenes! if you have 2 effects for 2 minutes of music, don’t show minute one andminute two, combine :) 3 Attempt at evaluation.
-Who are the judges??? I really want to ask. The hottest debate develops in this very place! Let's try to figure it out. For Let's start thinking. What's cooler - Leonardo da Vinci's Giaconda or Repin's painting - 'Didn't you expect it?' :))) I mean what is objective creativity cannot be assessed. For we are all subjects. Objective scales, tape measure and voltage gauge;) - instruments. And we are all people. And Some people also like Malevich's square. What are we assessing? Some subjective factor! And if you take the voting hall at Party then the voting result indirectly depends on how many hall: -Coders (appreciate coding, coding perversions, algorithms. they don't respect PEOPLE rendering) -Musicians (music, harmony :) ) -Artists (graphics (disputes about whether they converted or not :) ) -Designers/stylists (guys with subtle taste) - Non-computer people (visual perception, jokes, humor) -Intelligence (ALL together, to the extent of their preferences) -Drunk (they value NOTHING, everyone screws up) -Friends of the authors (Vote for NIKI) H Comparison errors.
There is no need to confuse mediocrity and non-standardism! Dumb things Everyone will see and we won’t consider them. If we talk about Party then there It’s not for nothing that they should do preselect. The only one, the main one, and the stupid one The mistake is that they DO NOT argue about TASTES! And if now in there are fewer people in the room who like the "XYZ" style, this does not mean that they are wrong. Among pop music there was always UUDERGROUUD. Those who cut a road in chunks with multicolors and just kkolor^s worthy of respect for the IDEA, the trend. Those who went first often got hit on the forehead. But he often became a leader! 5 Trends.
Who doesn't remember Style '95? Attribute scrolls, simple creeping lines, balls on sines and cosines? Who doesn't remember the Style of '97? Everyone was hanging out in plasma! Anytime we find plasma. Who doesn't remember Style '98? When did the world drown in chunks? He I swam in them for hours!!! Recently there was CC2OOS! You will ask more questions why. The winner has won? NOVELTY. This time SHE decided. I was talking about Festival demos! But besides them there were those are not exhibited anywhere, in which a claim for originality, plushighest quality! I wasn't asked, but I personally like them such demos are stars in their own right. Which are simply like art. :) I won’t give examples - you’ll consider it lobbying! There have always been trends. There will always be stars in their background. And how their representatives and as breakers. Let's see what this one brings year! b Development prospects.
Well now all the skeptics and pessimists will rise up and say yes what the hell are the prospects, haven’t you seen SS 2OOS??? yes it's the same bullshit! And in general, screw this Spectrum! So there you go! For Spectrum Why, why bother going to forums? I don’t care about blue ones - I’m into them I don’t go to forums!! And I don’t get into their souls! (And inbathroom too :) There is always room for improvement. Once upon a time we left the chunk dead end... Was there one? There was so much talk that Demo survived the coders squeezed everything possible out of the processor, it’s pisish rendering kills true creativity... Personally, SS 2OOS showed me new trends and these are the trends of our time! THIS is our modern art! And it is what it is! And tomorrow it will be different! We'll see which one! It's stupid to remember the past and look up to him! YES, these demos are different! They are no worse and no better! How cave paintings can't be worse than computer paintings graphics! And that creativity - and this! Clear ?! Sinus> So, as usual, my opinion partially disagrees with the opinion of FOX. In this case, it concerns development prospects. I don't I will download Spectrum specifically, since it is much more global issue. The demoscene is dead, and that's my opinion. Moreover, if on Spectrum and other SbCh = she is still somehow holding on, then this is only because these are weak machines, and there is still room for improvement for coders and designers (remember KKolor - the limitations of the Spectrum (color on familiar place) defeated once again by another method). Musicians will try to squeeze new chips out of AYs, artists will try to create in multicolors and two bitplanes. So, gentlemen, rejoice, Spectrum is still alive ^_~ However, on a more global level, things are much worse. As I said ED from the Amiga group v-pom, 3D accelerators killed the demoscene. In times when there were no 3D accelerators, coders laid down all the code on the processor, inventing new original algorithms and optimizing old ones. Nobody was fixated on 3D. It was invented many original 2D effects.Well, if someone couldn’t stir up evil 3D (or just write tons of monotonous formulas), then I came up with some kind of hack, which gave a similar effect, but with less effort. But accelerators appeared. And everyone suddenly started spinning bagels, tunnels and other nonsense. Everything became monotonous. ... But I'm not the only one so smart. Some also realized that 3D is not there is a complete rulez. Minimalist demos appeared that I will henceforth call them stagers. Stage demos prefer wire objects to filled and untextured textured. Everything is being simplified possible. Spectrum, by the way, is no exception either. Let's remember the last demos from skruju. However, a certain “stage” style soon began to appear, when stage quality is inferior to fixing, euphony of music and simply common sense. ...Which we couldwatch on CC^2OOS... Most likely, the demos will be different. If before dema = code + Xmusic + graphics, then in the future it will most likely be in the demo music, style and graphics reign supreme. And the code (from which all demoscene has begun ^_~) will be moved to the last positions, or they will be thrown out altogether. The demo turns into a new kind of clip. And let everyone decide for themselves whether this is good or bad for them. Most likely, the demos will be different. If before dema = code + Xmusic + graphics, then in the future it will most likely be in the demo music, style and graphics reign supreme. And the code (from which all demoscene has begun ^_~) will be moved to the last positions, or they will be thrown out altogether. The demo turns into a new kind of clip. And let everyone decide for themselves whether this is good or bad for them. FOX> Basically, he didn’t say anythingcontrary to mine!
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