X-Files - Sea monsters.

Pacific Ocean                            

   Sea captain S. Lebedev
spoke about repeated meetings on Thursday
Vert Kuril Strait with unusual life
Votnym.Once the whaling ship "Dolphin"
under the command of Lebedev approached
him, at a distance of 20-30 m, but the sailors did not
decided to harpoon the animal because of its
huge size - only part of the gray back
we, protruding from the waterreached in diameter
meter 15 meters. "Suddenly the pu-
Zyri, and his back disappeared into the waves,” finished
Lebedev reads his message.            

(A.S.Kuzovkin A.E.Semenov UNIDENTIFIED   
OBJECTS: idle fiction or reality?  
Subscription popular science series "Sign   
question" 2, 90 M. "Knowledge" 1990).         


 Sea serpent in the Black Sea             

   By the way, I read in the local newspaper the other day,
that they say the fishermen from the fishing village have been
so 1920they saw something in the Black Sea
a type of snake very similar in description.
They also said that the peasants lost
cattle (probably lost), and then nah-
there were bits of bones in the water near
villageUSSR, in the Black Sea near the Crimean victory
cutting. In January 1936 into the fishing net
the horse-headed monster that was here fell
was released by fishermen, ra-
who tore the net and returned in fear to
shore                                    

(XX century Chronicle of the inexplicable. Year after year
Moscow, Olympus, AST Publishing House, 1997, 512 p.
Author-compiler. Nepomnyashchy)           


   Stories about monsters that live in the unknown
hitherto explored depths of the Black Sea...
Is this idle fiction or real facts?
In search of an answer to this question, we propose
read excerpts from the book "Katas-
trophies in the Black Sea". This is a unique scientific
publication published under the auspices of the National
National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, saw the light
in Kyiv in 1994 with a circulation of 2 thousand eczemas
plyarov.                                   

Peter CEMEHbKOB, director of Karadag     
reserve:                              

   - December 7, 1990 Ka fishermen's team
Radag branch of the Institute of Biomedical Sciences of the Academy of Sciences of Ukraine came out
at sea to check the networks supplied for
catching Black Sea stingrays. In place of
it was about 12 o'clocknoon and started
bulkhead network from the southern end. In a hundred
fifty meters the network was broken
They came from the other end of the network and continued
whether check. When they approached the tattered
edge, then pulled the dolphin to the surface
- Black Sea bottlenose dolphin, size about 230
cm, whose tail was entangled in a net.   

   Having pulled the dolphin to the nose of the motofelucca, the fish
Bucky discovered that the dolphin's belly had been bitten out
in one bite. The width of the bite along the arc is:
lay about 1 m. Along the edge of the arc on the skin del-
Finn's teeth marks were clearly visible. Size
the tooth mark is about 40 mm. Distance between
the teeth marks are about 15-20 mm. Total
there were about 16 tooth marks in the arch. Belly
the dolphin was bitten with ribs, so
the spine was clearly visible. In the area
dangling from their heads were the remains of the lungs from which
when rising, blood flowed down. Traces of teeth are clear
ko were visible on both sides, and
these traces were located symmetrically.
the dolphin's catch was severely deformed,
evenly compressed on all sides, as if
they tried to drag her into a narrow hole.
The eyes were not visible, and the deformed part
had a whitish color, reminiscent of the color of a fish,
taken from the stomach of another fish.        

   The examination of the dolphin lasted no more than
three minutes. The sight of a dolphin and flowing blood caused
caused severe panic among the fishermen. One
cut the net from them, the dolphin fell intosea,
and the fishermen left it at full speed
area home. I saw the fishermen immediately
returning them from the sea, questioned them in detail
about what happened, and according to their story the artist
made a sketch of the dolphin they saw.
In the spring of 1991 the fishermen brought the second
finna with similar teeth marks on the body
le. It was an Azovka one and a half meters in size.
They pulled him out of the network that was installed
Lena is approximately in the same place as
December 7, 1990This time the network was not
torn, and almost the entire dolphin was severely
entangled in a net, wrapped like a doll, so
one head peeked out. Traces of three
teeth were clearly visible on the head
fina. In appearance they looked exactly like
on the teeth marks on the body of a bottlenose dolphin.  

   The brought dolphin was placed in the cold
camera and inMay 1991I, being in Le
ningrad, went to the Institute of Zoology,
communicated with employees, invited us to
inspection of Azovka. Unfortunately, none of the hundreds
mines was not able to go, but I was lucky
I tried to contact a specialist by phone
YugNIRO, working in Kerch. I was both
It is expected that he will try to find time for
coming to us. However, no one ever came to us
arrived, and at the end of August there was an accident
, andeverything that was in the cold chamber,
disappeared, including the dolphin.           

   Now, perhaps, it is appropriate to suggest
how many hypotheses explain the causes of death
and the origin of traces on dolphin corpses

   Most of Karad's researchers
ha, and first of all zoologists, unanimously rejected
rejected the hypothesis that the cause of death
dolphins and the source of marks on their bodies
is some living creature. Reason
death of dolphins some of the employees
was seen in the fact that the animals pushed
communicate with some technical device (vin-
volume of a ship or torpedo).                 

   Some of the employees are still allowed
Kali, that the reason for both could be -
there is another living being. However, none of
There are no inhabitants of the Black Sea known to science
was able to receive the honor of becoming a candidate
for the role of "killer". Moreover, even famous
inhabitants of the World Ocean, if they turned out to be state-
in the Black Sea, they could not leave
There are such marks on the body of dolphins.           

   And now it’s time to remember the legendary
monster, supposedly living in the Black Mountain
re. The first mention of him is found in
Crimean legends. It has not been forgotten even in our time.
time. Despite the fact that officially
hearing about him fell into the category of bad feelings
sations and were not subject to publication, nevertheless
eyewitness accounts of a meeting with him on
land and in watersometimes off the Crimean coast
appeared on the pages of periodicals
chat. It should be admitted that the real
The death of two dolphins was recorded.
The marks on the body of these animals correspond
information about the size and habits of the Crimean
monsters.                                 

Alexander OVCHINNIKOV, correspondent       
newspapers "Sudanese Herald":               

   -I saw a snake-like creature several times-
years ago in the sea, from a twenty-meter height -
honeycombs of Cape Frantsuzhenka. Scattered -
The dolphins fled from this snake. According to
to my earlier information, in the thirties
tank from Kuchuk - Lambata (now Maly Mayak),
Tatar by nationality, encountered in
"stone chaos" with a serpent. The fish arrived in time
Bucks saved him. However, he was paralyzed and
he died a month later. “Dog head,” he managed
he uttered before his death. So tell
I am the son of a dead fisherman.             

Vladimir BELSKY, executive officer 
Feodosia City Council:                  

   - August 12, 1992 at 15 - 16 o'clock I
swam in a cove on the eastern shore of our
sa Kiik-Atlama 1-2 km from its tip.
The water temperature was about 23 degrees. I
easily swam 40 meters from the shore. Depth
on the water reached 4 m.Having emerged, I looked around -
Xia and, to my horror, saw at about 30
m from myself the head of a snake, a huge head -
up to half a meter in size; the neck was thinner -
30 cm. The animal dived towards me. Then I
rushed to the side and along the exit to
sea ridges of stones jumped ashore, hiding
hid behind the stones. A moment later
where I was, a head appeared
monsters. I saw him clearly, even once
looked at the skin and horny plates of gray color
that on the head and neck. The general feeling is creepy.
By the way, a year before my meeting with the monster
in this area of the sea died from a broken heart
strong young man, military man,
master of sports in swimming, always swimming -
I'm here.                                 

Vladimir KOSTYUKOV, former inspector       
fisheries inspection:                               

   - A shepherd friend told me that
saw a snake in the Chauda area near Cape Salar
similar creature with a large head, body
which resembled a pillar. Dolphins in
panic disappeared when the snake, wriggling, began
approach them. Legends about the snake are very
common among fishermen of the Eastern
Crimea. In one of the Tatar legends of Crimea -
"Otuz Legend" - "Chershamba" stories -
talks about a snake place near the village of Otuzy (modern
change Shchebetovka) on the Otuzka River, where
there are reeds here - Yulanchik.Literal translation of the word Yulanchik - snakes -
new nest. "Here... in the reeds there lived a snake,
which, curled up, seemed like a shock of hay,
and when she walked through the field, she made ten knees and
more. True, the Janissaries killed her. But the remaining
the cubs came from her..."                 

   This legend is naive and simple. However, not
no interest in paying attention to this
fact: a huge snake lives exactly where
it is described today. Apparently this is one of the
the first mention of a snake, for we are talking about
Janissaries, i.e. troops, which are called in
Crimea was possible only in the Middle Ages, but
no later than 1774,i.e. no later than the time for
inclusions of the Kuchuk-Kainardzha world.      

Stanislav SLAVICH, writer:               

   -Eyewitnesses talk about a huge meeting-
noi snake on Kazantip (Kerch Peninsula).
The shepherd noticed something pale under the thorn bush.
dense, similar to polished by rains
and the winds of a ram's skull, and just like that, from
nothing to do, hit this guy with the gerlyga
turnip. And suddenly the incredible happened,
there was a sort of silent explosion: a loud
thorn bush bathed with roots, shot up
a cloud of dust, pieces flew in all directions
land.                                    

   The shepherd became numb and numb, stopped lowering his
mother, where is he and what’s wrong with him. He only sawthis cloud of dust, and in it our own people seemed to be whipped up -
surging shepherd dogs and something huge, with a strange
writhing with extraordinary strength and speed.
When the shepherd came to his senses, one dog would-
la was killed, and the two survivors were frantic
tore the still convulsing body of someone
huge bastard.                           

   What seemed to the shepherd to be a mutton shank
pom, was the head of a huge snake. Soon
after that the shepherd, they say, died. Was it
even before the war.                             

Maya BYKOVA, writer:                

   - In my book “Legend for adults. About
hidden living" is deserving of absolute
the story of Maria Stepanovna with great trust
Voloshina: "In 1921in the local Feodosia
Which newspaper published the note in which
swarm said that in the area of Mount Karadag
a “huge bastard” appeared, and it was time to catch
a company of Red Army soldiers was sent. Further
there was no information in the newspapers. Max sent
clipping about the "reptile" M. Bulgakov, and she lay down
based on the story "Fatal Eggs".          

Vsevolod IVANOV, writer:                

 - In May 1952 I set off from Kokte-
Belya to Karadag, to Carnelian Bay, search
make new onespebbles for collection.        

   Just in the middle of the bay, about 50 meters from
shore, I noticed a large one, 10-12 meters
circles, a stone overgrown with brown algae
lyami.I have been to Carnelian Bay many times
those, but this stone in the middle of the bay did not help -
nude And is it even a stone? I noticed that "ka-
"men" noticeably deviates to the right. This means that
a large ball of algae.                

   While smoking my pipe, I began to watch
ball It began to lose its round shape,
lengthened.                                

   And then... Then the “tangle” unfolded.
Stretched out. And he moved against the current. This
the creature swam with wave-like movements towards
left side of the bay. The monster was very
face, 25-30 meters, and as thick as a tabletop
desk if turned sideways.
It was under water half a meter to a meter
and, it seems to me, it was flat.             

   Suddenly this creature rose above the water
head. The head is the same size as the arm span
was like a snake. I still can't see my eyes
cases, from which it could be concluded that they
small. After holding your head for about two minutes
water - large drops of water flowed from it,
the monster turned sharply, lowered its head
wu into the water and quickly floated away behind the rocks, closing -
who visited Carnelian Bay.                  

   So, in historical terms, the existence
monsters have been traced for centuries and
right up to the present day. Noteworthymania, as it were, narrowing the habitat of marine
whom the snake. In the last century he established
from Tarkhankut to Karadag and, obviously,
to the east. Before the Second World War his
observed near Kuchuk-Lambat (Small Lighthouse), near
Ayu-Daga, on Kazantip in the Sea of Azov. In the
these days are actually more or less reliable
historical evidence points to one area
- Karadag. Facts that are difficult to explain
to be clear, a lot. The degree of their reliability
different. Many of the stories, however, are true
completely reliable. And yet, to say
about the existence of some monster in the sea
near the Crimean coast is clearly premature.
Meetings are too rare and random, it’s not clear
but where do these monsters breed, no?
no remains, etc. In fact,
real evidence is only murdered corpses
ty dolphins. But it can also be disputed
but...                                       

   Therefore, obviously, Pyotr Semenkov is right,
considers it necessary to carry out special
new expedition to study all the collected
facts of sea research near Karadag and
lying areas using underwater vehicles
rats and acoustic devices.            

Write to me dr.gray@usa.net                

 1965 May. Atlantic. Not far from
South Africa at that time. BMRT-384 "Coral" Catching fish
using a trawl at a depth of 200-300m. I'm hydroacoustic
beginner stick radio navigator.  From general
catch after lifting the next trawl
caught an interesting fish... Length 20-2Scm.
Gray color.  The belly is light.  The form is usually
Naya. Yes, and the look is completely typical, nothing
unusual. Except for the head. Between the eyes, where-
then at 2-Zcm she had a horn.  Length 3 cm.
The end is sharp, like any horn. Material
horns - typical.  I was far from UV then
logic and these things...But from this unusual-
I made a stuffed “fish”.  Primitive
yes. Gutted the insides, stuffed them with cotton wool,
sewed it up and poured a 5% solution inside
formaldehyde (from gyro support fluid
compass).                                 

   The whole team (100) people butted this
stuffed until I ran out of this wonder
raised for my son in the school museum supposedly 1
assistant captain (vacated position
KGB commissar).  Well, I couldn't do that
“to a respected person” not to give such a gift
shitty scarecrow. Yes, and it was not a pity.         

   This museum was in one of the schools in Tal
Lina.  And did he give it there?  Did you witness it?
Then you saw everyone, but now you can find someone.
Take everything simply as information.        

   Case No. 2.  1967 I'm the flagshipradio
navigator-mentor of northeastern Atlan
tics of the Estonian Office. Near Greenland
diy. I'm based on the flagship mother ship
"Stanislav Manyushko", although sometimes there
I eat. I disappear all the time on my 40 seine-
rah. And I’m just transferring through the floating base
from ship to ship, and sometimes I give myself a day
another rest.  Usually on board the mother ship
two seiners moor at once. And then, lifting
going from one of them to my cabin, I heard
on the broadcast, what if anyone wants to watch
howl at the curiosity, let it come out on deck
top. This was picked up from the second seiner
"creature".                               

   I can’t call him anything else now. This
there was a disk with a diameter of 3-3.5 meters. Its thickness
approximately a meter. View of a typical disk with
thin edges and thick middle. From below I
folded back the edge - gray. Closer to white
even. But the top is gray (closer to dark)
nomu) steel with tarnished colors like everyone else -
It's the same as putting a drop of gasoline on water. This
the rush struck everyone the most.
At the very top, absolutely in the center of the disk was
one huge eye ball with a diameter of approx.
10-12cm transparent color. Crowd around
escaped sailors, etc. Many have already
They started shredding this miracle. I also contributed.
On my belt I always had a knife with a length
blades 7 cm and width 2 cm. (According to technical safety -
relied on) Ialso took part in
"object study". Stuck the knife all the way in
depth and made a cut. For the entire 7cm depth
under the thick skin there was a body just like
sharks, big fish... Nothing unusual.
At this time, many began to wear belts
cut from leather... And one sailor took out
eye. He held him by the nerve, and this one completely...
The incredibly transparent ball hung and rotated. I
was in a hurry to the fleet meeting and before it
managed to talk with the vessel's fish technologist.
He told all of us gathered that he
I looked through all the catalogs and didn't even find anything...
it's close in appearance.                       

   The head of our fishing expedition
tion Ivanov gave the command to the captain-director
ship to save this disk and transfer it
to the shore. After the meeting I immediately left for
another ship, and according to stories the disk was frozen
was collected and transferred to the Academy of Sciences in Tallinn. Nothing further
I haven't heard about this. Again no photos
I didn’t make raffia, I wasn’t very interested
this. If you have any questions for me, write.
I read the Logs and will answer.                    

   Yes, it didn't work out. Okay, I'll try to dis-
to say in words.January 1965The beginning of that
same flight on BMRT-384 "Coral" not far from
Northwestern Africa.Atlantic
ocean. Depths 200-250m. Second or third
casttrawl. Trawl winch (40 tons of reinforced
lie on the shaft) at the limit of its capabilities
selects the trawl. The ship is moving at low speed
forward to provide a larger angle between
between the ship's hull and the trawl warps and this
make the winch work easier.  And here is the trawl
the slang of sailors became "Paner", i.e. angle between
between the ship's hull and the warps of almost 90 degrees
Dusov. This is what happens when you get caught in a trawl
something like a piece of rock, stones, i.e. heavy
thin and compact.                         

   With the help of an emergency team and tricks
I managed to drag the trawl onto the deck along the slipway.
Only after cutting it open did they see what was inside it -
measure into the middle trunk of a tree something like
fossilized bone. Factually stone shaped
resembling a shin bone. Estimated weight -
kamtons 10-12.Almost the whole team has gathered
from this “catch”, they took souvenirs, tried
anyway. Someone was taking pictures. A
when the excitement passed they began to discuss what
What should we do with this likeness of a bone?  All
understood that this represented an undoubted
scientific value. It also became clear that
the vessel will be immediately removed from the fishery and
sent back to port. The team is actually
ki rebelled.  Everyone came to earn money
money. In a month almost time for transition
from Tallinn to Africa the team was paid a pittance
new salaries. All earnings from fish catch
by sharesystem. Captain Eskov sailors
directly stated that either he would throw away this co-
be overboard, or they will throw him out along with
those with the commissar. Yes, he himself understood that
here the salary is more important, not the mythical science
ka. The bone was sent back to the ocean. Radio
grams were not reported anywhere about the find. (I spe-
cially found out from his friend the boss
nickname of the radio station Altukhov A.) And everyone was
it is recommended to forget about this find, and
mind your own business.                   

   I understand that all my stories are about these
events seem like lies and chatter. Practically
they are not physically provable or difficult to prov-
em. A lot of time has passed. Of course you can
it would be possible to find eyewitnesses, some confirmation
but I don’t see the point. I absolutely agree
Lasen with Rigel what all this relates to
earthly, but not ours. Now, on the basis
many observations and understanding of the actual
materials, stories, publications in print
I believe that all this is a manifestation of an un-
rented. If you draw on a blank sheet of paper
draw a circle at random, then inside the circle
is our existing currently
moment of time civilization with all its knowledge
knowledge, science, achievements, etc. For external
the line of the circle is all the Unknown. This is a UFO
and Poltergeists, and Yeti, Monsters of the Deep and all
-everything else.. We are all small
part of this Unknown and he needs it, like
particle of the Whole.Add up everything you observe
around us in the past and present and drawing
there is a picture that the Unknown is constantly leading
all the work to improve everything that
we call our civilization.           

   Large-scale experiments are underway on
people, animals, flora,
land and in the ocean. New options are being tested
com creatures, new species of living things. Along Shklov-
The lifespan of civilization is about 10,000
years. There were civilizations before us, and there will be ones after.
Most likely this is not instantaneous, but gradual-
a time-based process. Therefore, in the past
and now we are debugging new, better options
Comrade                                      

   And that's all fine. And this is also interesting -
but. You can be in the center of the circle and not
see the boundaries of the circle, you can stand at the very
borders and try to look beyond it.
a boom in the creation of some theories, new justifications
knowledge of the known. And also purely physically
following these boundaries, studying the material
the impact of the Unknown on our World.        

   But how to study? How? In the Gulf of Guinea
ve in the zone of magnetic anomaly I had to
radar "Don" with the maximum possible
target detection range 50 miles
detect a ship coming towards us on
distances of 100 miles, accompany the target for
screen up65 mile mark. Then she disappeared
la, and appeared again at a distance of 47 miles.
Having met side by side, we discussed this
phenomenon with specialists from the oncoming court
on. They reassured me and said that on the way out
from the English Channel and in this area there is such
often observed. But I'm still breaking
head and don’t understand how to radar
short pulse of 80 kW pulse and length
3.2 cm waves can be curved and peeked
beyond the horizon and even coincide with the times
locator indicator scan? I can't
explain the phenomenon when in the North Sea
sonar "Halibut" saw both from the ground
that at a depth of more than 400m some kind of
then the huge goal began to slowly subside
under our walking speed of 17
knots with a small seiner, obscuring the complete
There is soil away from us. Only at a depth of 40-50m
she stopped and was there all the time
under the ship. She accompanied me for about 20 minutes, and then
began to slowly descend and fell behind. edges
the goals were blurred and unclear.              

 I can't explain how in Norwegian
the sea turned out to be 15 minutes for us on the first channel
lu TV is connected to a conventional aerial antenna
mother clear image (no sound) from Mos
kvy. Or why to the west of Ireland from
ocean rock sticking outRokkol. According to the sailing guide, she is from
granite-basalt.  But I hardly see her in
emphasis on radar screens, although small
there are 600 tons of seiner displacement near her
look great. Why really
but the rats foresee trouble and run away with the
slave? I myself experienced a lot on such a ship.
when the rats ran away from him at the port. And one more thing
there will be several such why?, which
I observed it personally.                         

   Sorry I wrote so much.
I can’t go to FIDO and I don’t have time
absolutely. Let me get into your conversation here
it doesn’t work out, we are at completely different times -
your belts. But I just want to “bait”
"you are the topic. Talk like materially
You can feel this whole Unknown by the hand
homo? How to get repeatable results?
I don’t know how to measure something comprehensively
what? Without material confirmation of the measurements
niyami all this talk to believe or not to believe
don't make any sense. That's why not
I attach importance to the little things and the search for evidence
statements even in the above.
va Shevtsov decided to systematize and analyze
liz observations. This is all great. Honor
praise to him. But what will this give in the end?
in the end? What knowledge? There is no return
connections...                                  

12-17-98 4:53 165.90.228.88. Simon        

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12-17-98 10:54 212.220.29.2. Aleph         

   I've been wanting to ask for a long time, maybe
Does your craving for sea monsters have any...
then the roots are deep and this needs to be seriously studied
what?                                     

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12-17-98 10:57 195.19.40.31. Rigel        

   My attitude towards monsters is really
unusual.  I have an archive of such cases
there’s just a lot, that’s the thing. And the evidence
What they are talking about, in my opinion, is this:
there is a passage somewhere there, in an area about which
we don't know anything.                   
   Moreover, it is not even clear what this nonsense is about.
In space, in time, in tissue it is real-
truth, causality or something else?        

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12-17-98 11:0 212.220.29.2. Aleph          

   Yes, I agree, some things have
the nature of the trends... But it seemed to me that
the ocean once acted as something like a cosmic
sa today...Hence the game unconsciously
go, giving birth to monsters...(according to biotic
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12-17-98 11:3 195.19.40.31. Rigel         

   I get the impression that here
- something else. What we see in AY on land
- as a rule, obeys certain rules -
patterns. First of all, it is very
illusory, “unsteady” so to speak. But the living
deep - sea and land - extremely
specific. They seem to have a slightly different
nature than other AIs.                 
   Very rarely in stories about aliens
the witness manages to cut it and look
figure out what's inside. And even those cases
when this succeeds is very doubtful. But
that eyed disk was cut with simple knives -
mi...                                     

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12-17-98 11:6 212.220.29.2. Aleph          

   It seems to me that this can be interpreted
talk about cultural and historical “aspects”...
The ocean cannot be studied as much as the land...
And it is populated... Therefore, the generation of irrational
nal and takes the form of creatures rather than
things...                                  

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12-17-98 11:35195.19.40.31. Rigel        

   Yes, of course, but I see in these
creatures a certain qualitative leap
I've met people who are telepathic
ki communicated with the "Bigfoot" or with
aliens - but no one has ever communicated with
sea serpent. At least in such cases
I don’t have it in my archive.                  

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12-17-98 11:38 194.226.236.57. Commander   
X                                       

   Since we're talking about AI in the ocean, let's-
Let us remember the Bermuda Triangle.       

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12-17-98 11:39 212.220.29.2. Aleph         

   Rigel, this is because in the collective
unconscious Ocean is associated with forces,
deprived of consciousness... Ocean - Element...   

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12-17-98 11:40 195.19.40.31. Rigel        

   Let's go. There really isn't much action there...
really interesting cases, such as describing
Berlitz swims, in addition, in those parts there are
there is such a rush of ships that they must
periodically disappear - at least statistically
stick.                                    
   And it would all be like this, except that it exists...
things like these are found not only in the ocean
no, on land and in lakes and in the sky they too
there are.                                   

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12-17-98 11:43 212.220.29.2. Aleph         

   Of course... But it seems to me that Vodnaya
Element in coll.bess. to a greater extent as-
associated with Unconscious Chaos than other
the elements...                             
   The qualities of a huge mass of water...        
   Although Dragons are creatures of Air... But
Dragons seem to me to have great intelligence
lectom already because they are not so TOTAL.
   X, are you completely bored discussing this?

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12-17-98 11:50 195.19.40.31. Rigel        

   Let me give you a piece from my
his archive:For example, in the USA,
Occasional occurrences have been well reported
some cat-like creatures. In January
1859 such a creature is black in color
investigated a man in the vicinity of the town
Mokaccuh Creek (Virginia). In July 1917
residents of Decatur (Illinois) multi-
observed a terrible beast several times.In August
those 1948 residents of Richmond and Middleboro (state
Indiana)we saw a black creature several times
green and yellow. There were also discoveries
We have killed animals and "cat" tracks.InJanuary
1951in the town of Noblesville (Indiana)
ana)casual observers saw giant
some kind of beast, somewhat similar to a panther.
In May 1959in the Lorain County area (state
Ohio)  saw a cat-like creature with
very long tail, which was engaged
robbery - ate dogs and sheep.  In March
1964residents of Dunbar and Arago (Nebra-
ska) we saw a dark-colored cat and heard
terrible screams. And finally,in September 1971.
in Wilton (Connecticut)were discovered
the wife leftovers from eaten horses and cows, and
some people also heard piercing cat cries
ki. But evidence from another part of the worldthat.In 1983 in Southern England somehow
more than a hundred were killed by the famous animal
sheep The mysterious stranger had a sparkle
pulling black wool and short powerful la-
py. And a completely out of the ordinary ser-
tea occurredin the summer of 1984in Southern Pires
neah.Unknown predators have become
remove sheep from pastures. But which ones?  Volkov in
This part of the country has not been seen for forty years.
Zoologists arrived at the scene
found out: the cattle are most likely stolen...ame-
Rican cougars. But where could they get...
in Southern Italy?.. Judging by the American
data, one can observe from time to time
strange flying creatures. So, let's say in
June 1880in the Madisonville area (state
Connecticut)  saw a flying "man with
wings". In 1910. Normandy was marked
great flight of an incomprehensible "bird" diving into
sea beyond, with fish.In 1927in Sauseilitoemb.
a huge “bird” with a torpedo shape was seen
Noah head. Such a flying creature is seen
Lee and in 1948g.in the Santa Barbara area (state
California).In the same year, something similar
spotted in the vicinity ofAlton, Freeport,
Caledonia, Illinois.And finally,in May 1963
g. some New Yorkers saw a flight through
Hudson "birds of prehistoric form" size
rum with a sports plane. "Flying miracle"
a creature in the form of a man with the wings of a bat -
shi" was observed in the fall of the same year by residents
Kent (England) and Point Blesant (Western state)
bottom Virginia, USA).                     
Does this look like dragons (which,
probably the fruit of purely human ideas
laziness).                                   

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12-17-98 11:53 212.220.29.2. Aleph         

   No, it’s not too similar...But according to the “sympto-
mom" this is very similar to the observations of different
different types of UFOs and other AI...             
   In order to understand THIS you need
not to look for how one differs from another -
wow, how are these cases similar...        

12-17-98 11:59195.19.40.31. Rigel        

   In some ways it’s similar, in some ways it’s not. Please pay
attention, it seems that not only big-eyed fish are interested in
they come to us from somewhere, sometimes it happens
quite the contrary - which is confirmed
This excerpt may serve as a reference: THE DISAPPEARING
BATTALION                                  

   While the flower of European youth is being crucified,
whether on the barbed wire of the Western Front,
smaller, but no less bloody conflict
burned between the Turks and the British in South
Europe. Gallipoli campaign of the first mi-
Second War was carried out by the Allies with
the goal of helping the Russians who fought in Kavka-
ze. Although it only lasted twelve
months, but cost the lives of thousands of Englishmen
and other defenders of the interests of the Entente, and
ended with the resignation of its initiator, Winsto
to Churchill.                              

   The main striking force then were the military
ny parts of the Commonwealth of Australia, but
it was the disappearance of the first brigade battalion
Tang soldiers of the 5th Norfolk Regiment
has become one of the most mysterious mysteries
1915. Mass extinction literally
in the broad daylight of one hundred and forty-five
a person may seem fantastic
a hoax, if all the incidents had not
unfolded before the eyes of a detachment of twenty
these two volunteers of the 1st New Zealand
divisions thatonly fifty years later
broke the silence and signed a collective agreement
evidence confirming their recollection
nia.                                      

   Let's finally move on to the story itself. So,
on the morning of August 21 the commander-in-chief of the united
with the rest of the Allied forces, Sir Ian Hamil-
tone gave the order to cross Sulva Valley and
occupy height 60, a Turkish stronghold. All
that morning the lower slopes of the hill were shrouded in
strange fog, a kind of meteorological
cultural phenomenon, because, in addition to the fact that he
there was absolutely nothing to do in this place -
news, he also completely crossed out
laws of nature and did not react in any way to
a persistent breeze blowing from the southwest.
but into this haze that enveloped the heights I entered
1st Battalion 5th Norfolk - to
disappear forever.                       

 Then, according to the signed witness
to New Zealanders who are dumbfounded
contemplated everything that was happening from their lower
positions, the unusual fog became somehow dense
twist until it turns thick,
a solid-looking cloud, shaped like
a loaf of bread, and then rose into the sky,
leaving the slopes of height 60, and people on
she no longerthere was a strange-looking cloud moving
rushed across a completely clear sky - and against
wind!                                    

   When the fighting stopped, in
1918the British authorities began to revive
rotation of prisoners captured during the battle
near Sulva Bay.Türkiye in good faith
revealed all the captives, and then it became clear that
although many brigades were captured that summer
Tang soldiers, not one of them was part of
1st Battalion 5th Norfolk Regiment!  

   Moreover, none of those returned from exile
never subsequently saw or heard of
nothing about the people who made up the battalion,
that he disappeared on that ill-fated August
morning. The only evidence confirming
awaiting the version set out in the New Zealand report
Land veterans, appearedin 1967,
when the secrecy was finally lifted from the
documents on the Dardanelles campaign, and their
published.  Although the reports came under
serious censorship in the ministerial
defense, they still retained
so many details that clearly gave the truth
similarities to the history of supernatural use
disappearance.                               

   In the final report, the disappearance without obvious
there are a large number of prominent reasonspeople per
slopes of height 60 was confirmed, and official
local weather report for Sulva Bay that's why
morning completely coincided with the descriptions of the new
Landsev.Hill slopes, official reports
report, "were covered with strange unnatural-
phlegm fog, which then rose
in an absolutely incredible way into the sky."   

   It is quite clear that this story is not so
just to digest some incredulous
to people. After all, it’s much easier to write off the loss
battalion against the Turks - defenders of the heights,
who could easily shoot the unfortunate
strong British during the battle, because for the entire
campaign, as is known, dozens of you died
thousands of people on both sides.  However, this
explanation seems unconvincing;
there are no reports of bodies being found on the battlefield 
arrived, and then what do you order me to do?
with evidence of more than twenty survivors
eyewitnesses who only fifty years later
have the courage to tell the true story
this incident, regardless of the possibility
be cruelly ridiculed?            

   The phenomenon of mass extinction, when
torus, hundreds and even thousands of people simply died
they go somewhere unknown, without any warning
fortunately, enough explanations or explanations
but rare. But the case in the Sulva Valley is not
unique in the annals of the supernaturalincidents of the 20th century.                     

   In December 1937 China was in
state of war with Japan for six months already
tsev. The invaders moved north towards
Nanjing, and the vanguard of the Chinese by example-
but three thousand people settled down for
protection of an important bridge facility in the southern regions
cities. Taking positions in dug trenches,
the troops began to wait for the Japanese to approach. But
the assault never happened. But it happened
something much stranger.             

 The morning after the deployment of the vanguard at
bridge Chinese commander, General Li Fu-
shi, was awakened by a distraught orderly who
who informed him that radio contact with the division
Zia, who was guarding the bridge, was lost. Frightened
that his men were bypassed, commander Fushi gave
order for immediate reconnaissance of
front line of the front. He got ready for
the worst, but the story they told him
returning officers, was so fantastic
Noah that he hardly believed her. For everything that
they discovered these were lines of empty trenches,
devoid of any signs of human presence
 - neither living nor dead.                  

 Also, no traces were found
recent battle,that somehow could
find out where three thousand subordinates went
general Li Fushi was stunned because he knew
what if the soldiers decided on a massive
desertion, then they would have to go
bridge, but the enemy was located in the south and their
inevitable death awaited.                  

   So what happened to them? In two
days after the disappearance of the Japanese horde division
soldiers broke through the bridge and invaded
city. The assault ended in massacre and
the destruction of Nanjing - a massacre incomparable
no other Asian in bloody history
wars, and against such a background the loss of three thousand
the thousand defenders of the bridge were forgotten. However
many years later, after the end of the second
world swarm, the Chinese government was
an official investigation was carried out, which
the swarm again did not provide any facts for
logical explanation of a strange case,
preceding the fallof Nanjing.        

   A little later, an investigation carried out
already under the communist regime, by order
Chairman Mao himself, categorically
It was new that the Chinese guarding in 1937
bridge, no one else has ever seen anything else
I haven't heard of them.                       

   Aleph - here's how to explain it from a purely psychic
chological positions?  Man is a creature
quite stable, difficult to do so,
so that a lot of people disappear one time and notan avalanche of disappearances began.             


   But occasionally this still happens:
British Royal Air Force pilots
made an emergency landing in the Iraqi desert
Tyne in 1924.  Their tracks were clearly
visible on the sand at some distance from
plane, and then broke off on level ground -
those, and no one else saw the pilots.     

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12-17-98 12:9 212.220.29.2. Aleph          

   I wasn't talking about psychology...I was talking about
generation of the irrational...And psychology -
this is the trigger...                    
   The irrational is, in my opinion, energy...
It is precisely the energy that gives rise to AY..

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12-17-98 12:11 195.19.40.31. Rigel        

   But this is an equally amazing case.
No, it looks like we're not the only big-eyed fish
they feed us, we also have a fluffy stigma
ku.                                       

   Complete disappearance - forever - human-
eternal being in broad daylight - this
something that most of us prefer
no don't think. However, as we have already seen in
an example of some of the riddles collected in this
book,it really happened that
di from flesh and blood dissolved - and not fi-
literally, but quite literally in the air.
What happened to these people after their
disappearance, one can only guess, because
the exact nature of the force that influences
la on them is beyond our understanding.
Physical vortices, some funnels, shifts
time and gates between dimensions - all this
has been proposed to explain the paranormal
phenomena, but in reality none of these theories
ry does not seem satisfactory. 

   Disappeared lighthouse keepers from the island
Flannan, loss of a British battalion in
the height of the Gallipoli campaign and the missing
defenders of Nanjing - only one handful of
out of thousands of people who are simply not capable
make sense of our overly rational brains
gi. But perhaps the most terrible thing has disappeared -
The trend of our time is a sudden migration
tion of the inhabitants of an entire Eskimo village with their
usual habitat on the lake shore
Anjikuni in 1930.Still Canadian
the authorities are unable to solve this mystery
or contact members of the tribe or their
descendants. Everything looks as if
I never existed at all.       

   The mystery arose inNovember 1930,when
trapper-hunter of fur-bearing animals - by name
neither Joe LaBelle, having arrived on his snowshoes
to the Eskimo village, suddenly discovered
some hut houses are empty. Just two
weeks ago, when Labelle was in the village,
it was a noisy, vibrant settlement.
Now, instead of a friendly greeting
he was met with deathly silence. Not finding
not a single living soul, a trapper with desperation
began to look for clues to this situation -
tions.  But everything is in vain. The Eskimo kayaks were
moored in the usual place; in their houses there are
there were various things necessary for the settlers
objects, utensils, rifles. Cooled on the shelves
from the fireplaces there were ordinary pots of stewed
caribou meat is a traditional dish of the tribe.
Everything was the same as before, except
people. It seems that the whole tribe is larger than
two thousand people suddenly disappeared into the unknown
news in the midst of a completely ordinary world
in every relationship of the day.                      

But there was one more detail:Labelle saw
things, to my great surprise, that from the
The villagers do not lead any traces.             

 Feeling, as he described later, the country-
a feeling of tension in the stomach and fear, experienced
the hunter rushed to the nearest telegraph and
notified the Royal Canadian
mountain police"Highlanders" is nothing like it
never heard of. Was immediately dispatched
Lena a whole expedition to examine the children
reubli, and along the entire coast of Lake Anzhikuni
the search for residents began. Second event
, as you know, failed, and the group,
toiling with the first mission, only deepened
riddle.                                  

 Arriving at the abandoned village, the police
discovered two more features, each
which she persistently pointed out to be unnatural
the significance of what happened. To begin with,
the Eskimos did not take sled dogs with them,
as Joe LaBelle originally believed. There were
Ice-covered skeletons of Husky Poe huskies found
throughout the village deep under a layer of snow
drifts. Tied, they starved to death.
Then the most incredible thing was discovered - the graves
tribal ancestors were opened and their bodies
disappeared.                                  

   Both of these details put the authorities at risk
complete dead end. It is clear that the Eskimos could not
go on a journey without using it -
one or another transport: sleigh or kaya-
ki. In the same way they could not doom their own
four-legged friends for a slow and painful
corporal death. Even if they had not taken them from
ourselves, then at least they would untie
leaving them to get their own food. Second
paradise is a mystery- open graves - could be confusing
like any ethnographer familiar with the tribes
new customs, because Eskimos are worse than death
they are afraid to disturb the peace of the dead. In addition
, the ground was frozen then, steel
hardness, and dig it without the use of technical
nicknames was completely impossible. How are you-
then one of the “highlander” officers burst out,
"everything that happened here was physically simple-
that is impossible." Sixty-five years later
no one disputed this statement.         

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12-17-98 12:15 212.220.29.2. Aleph         

 I think there are a lot of similar cases...
Moreover, on every business trip (yes, that
on a business trip, every day) we face -
I have strange things... Trying to explain them
- useless work... I have a different approach to
AH...                                     
   This approach is based on active
impact on the collective unconscious
new...If we start building paths for
irrational, it will result in
meaningful, repeatable forms, gradually
transforming into rational... This and
there is knowledge...                          

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12-17-98 12:31 195.19.40.31. Rigel
   And I never said that you need to
try to explain each case. I just
let yourself think that there is some
group of cases that can be explained
with modern methods - these are the same fish
and animals.                                  

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12-17-98 12:33 212.220.29.2. Aleph         

   If we cannot distinguish the World from Ours
Ideas About the World, then it doesn’t matter what me-
no...                                   
   It can also be formulated as follows: “Biot is necessary
We need to tame..."                      

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12-17-98 12:35 195.19.40.31. Rigel        

   I agree. But existing methods are quite
are able to realize the phenomenon in this way, so
Moreover, it is already in sufficient
penalties implemented.                         

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12-17-98 12:37 212.220.29.2. Aleph         

   It is implemented, but fluctuationally... A
it is necessary to achieve repeatability... In co-
Ultimately, the task of science isit's not something
open and make repeatable the absurdity,
fluctuation, chance...                

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12-17-98 12:56 195.19.40.31. Rigel        

   I'm not even sure it's implemented
fluctuational.  Moreover, if I were in this
I'm sure I would completely agree with you -
Xia.                                       

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12-17-98 12:57 212.220.29.2. Aleph         

   And if this is not some kind of fluctuation (pro-
wandering, temporary, some), what
could this be?                           
   Unfortunately I need some time
to a meeting... I'll be there later...             

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12-17-98 13:0 195.19.40.31. Rigel         

   This could be some kind of transition - admission
Tim, from the "parallel world". Or what else
more likely transfer over time. Last-
it is more likely because significant
number of fossil traces of humans and
products of his activities in the past were found
dened, and therefore the transition can exist
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12-17-98 14:46 212.220.29.2. Aleph         

   So about the transition... What is flux-
situation indicates the POSSIBILITY of re-
progress... And in order for it to be technologically
technically necessary...                      
   I'm thinking of changing the "time" metaphor... 

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12-17-98 14:48 195.19.40.2. Rigel page    

   According to the usual concept, it is necessary
find the conditions under which it occurs in
nature.                                  

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12-17-98 14:48 212.220.29.2. Aleph         

   But we are from the underground...            
   In the classics, time is the axis...        

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12-17-98 14:49 195.19.40.2. Rigel page    

   But does this interfere?                    

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12-17-98 14:49 212.220.29.2. Aleph         

   Even in space Muhbkobckoro is
pseudovector...                           
   It seems to me that it is necessary either 1) to
add several axes, or better yet, do
time fractal, or 2) go to meta-
odds of “layering” of time...               

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12-17-98 14:51 195.19.40.2. Rigel page    

 They all consider time as a measurement
tion. What if this is not the case?                   

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12-17-98 14:51 212.220.29.2. Aleph         

   And of course, rewrite our worldview
setting, in order to coll.bess. this is
postponed...                             
   Time is not a dimension? And what?             

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12-17-98 14:53 195.19.40.2. Rigel page    

   Something about it is too strange to change
Rhenia. One-sided. What if time is
degenerate dimension? Dot. And it's going nowhere
(that is, we) are not moving?                 
   That is, no pastno future just
no. Not “there is where we are not”, but simply 
"no".                                    
   In this case, everything that we believe is
existing in the past exists in the present
I'm eating.                                     

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12-17-98 14:54 212.220.29.2. Aleph         

   It's not revolutionary enough... It's funny,
but we only measure intervals...        

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12-17-98 14:54 195.19.40.2. Rigel page    

   Well then, you make an offer. It's your turn.   

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12-17-98 14:55 212.220.29.2. Aleph         

 By the way, such a model exists...    
The past is like PRESENT traces of the past, boo-
the future - as the REAL causes of the future... 

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12-17-98 14:56 195.19.40.2. Rigel page    

   Yeah - not just traces and causes, but themselves
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12-17-98 14:57 212.220.29.2. Aleph         

   I'm ready to propose a layer model...   
There is no time, but there are alternative “states”
changes" of the "present" - layers - we can re-
walk from one reality to another depending
energy...                     
... rem - of course Objects...              

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12-17-98 14:59 195.19.40.2. Rigel page    

   And if not depending on energy but
depending on upbringing?                

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12-17-98 14:59 212.220.29.2. Aleph         

   And reality itself (a specific layer) -
this is a stable interference pattern
interacting Eidos and Exis... (what-
something like Biota and Matter...)               
   Of course - education is energy... I
didn't mean energy as a scalar... Energy-
gyu with a capital G...                    

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12-17-98 15:2 195.19.40.2. Rigel page     

   You can equate education with energy.
But then everything can be equated to energy.
Is it worth generalizing like this?                    
   Ultimately, matter is also energy.

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12-17-98 15:5 212.220.29.2. Aleph          

   Of course it’s worth it... Bacon also said -   
Knowledge is Power...                          

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12-17-98 15:8 195.19.40.2. Rigel page     

   Knowledge really is power. But it's the same
and weakness.                               
   I'm leaving home now, I'll be there in an hour
one and a half                                  

Regards. Rigel.                       

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