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Life vs Computer - who is better?
orMacros vs Cannibal
. . .
And yet, what a pressing topic did he raise at the time?
Demiurge Ash, if passions have not subsided for the second year and,
Looks like they're only gaining momentum! Screenwriter at the computer and in life.
This problem probably concerned every present
geek. Some solved it successfully, some didn’t, and some
I actually sold the computer... However, the topic is not closed. And this article
confirmation of this. In the recently released 25th issue of MSF magazine
a conversation was raised on this topical topic, which is, as it were,
in response to my opinion published in Heresy 8. Steel
It's heating up! Below is a partial text of the Macros article, by me
commented (which was evil humor, I missed).
If someone is not interested in this problem, do not read.
Further in the text, Macros' comments are considered abbreviated
"M" for clarity, mine are devoid of any designations and go
as simple text. So, let's start with:
M> With all due respect to Mr. Cannibal, I note that
M> it’s up to you to decide whether my comments make logical sense and
M> are they written on the topic?
To decide means to perform some action. And even with
with all my desire to decide anything, I cannot force you not
write what you want. I expressed my complaints as
reader. This is my individualopinion. You can't go with him
agree, but still take note.
M> Everything that I have written makes logical sense; and if not
M> has, then from the point of view of your logic. But it is different for us.
Our logic is different, I agree. But you can try
approach the issue from a different point of view: discard all personal
ambitions and try to find out the reason for each other's different opinions.
After all, in fact, none of us ever bothered to do this
do it!
M> Why are there the majority of gopniks in our world? They're the opposite
M> they will say, why don’t you generalize? All the same gopniks as
M> and us.
Gopniks? Personally, I don't really care what they say or
the gopniks will think. Why listen to the opinions of those I
I don’t consider them people? "Everyone is a gopnik just like us," like
you put it. If you are a gopnik, then everyone should be one
they can’t, but if you use your own logic, then you can
argue endlessly. People, gopniks for the most part -
herd. But there are always those whose thinking and lifestyle are not
fit into the framework of generally accepted standards, dogmas are non-human
standards of society. For them, in fact, normal people are
self-similar individuals, everyone else is not.
M> But the man raised a topic that was alien to many, which caused a protest
M> just one person - me.
If this topicalien to many, then this is wonderful - it means
most stagers know how to regulate their interests,
balancing between life and computer. But there is also one
the problem that Demiurge Ash wrote about, and, therefore, any
the problem must be taken into account. And protest against
her - stupid. I don’t know who in the end the majority are normal
people or computer fanatics, but there is no denying the existence of this
a large contingent of people who cannot cope with their
computer passion.
Or here's a good example: having finished Body we can do
conclusion that many stagers have problems with girls, but also
There are those who do not experience such problems. Why is Body like this?
popular? In the soul, every stage designer compares the “heroes” and himself,
finding similarities.
M> Is my person really given such great importance? Or,
M> the scale of the problem is negligible, so the disagreement of such
M> should a “significant” person like me be accepted as spontaneous?
I did not take your opinion as spontaneous, but answered that
the same spirit in which you wrote your review. You were the only one
who reacted negatively to Ash's article in the press. I -
the only one who discusses this topic with you in the press.
M> What are you talking about! We have a lot of these underground cultures!
M> In the evenings they walk around, sing songs, and in the mornings with swollenfaces
M> they are returning home.
And what's wrong with that? What's wrong with self-expression? Or,
maybe you prefer to take away money and clothes in a crowd
y lonely passers-by or hit the faces of new guys from a disco for
something they looked at somehow “wrong” or accidentally stepped on you
on your leg?
M> in general, all this talk about underground cultures is just
M> laughter and baby talk. They don't exist and never have existed.
Great. :) Perhaps this is a collective glitch of millions
people from all over the world? Of course, we are all gopniks! :) You first
you claim that every person has the right to his own
individual opinion, now you already deny it.
Indeed, your logic is original.
M> What a few see is only an illusion. In fact you
M> is the same as everyone else, exactly the same unit.
I wonder how you can judge me never with me in
life without communicating? After all, it may happen that I -
cybernetic mind, a clot of cable energy, escaped c
secret military laboratories located on the territory
former USSR? :)))
M> I don’t give a damn about the concept and essence, I have my own essence and
M> concept, or rather they don’t exist at all, neither me nor anyone
M> more. You can’t be so naive and believe in their existence.
Again, judging from your point of view. Think,few people
will agree that there is no concept, no eras, no essence. You
you are in the minority, but as you said, there aren’t any, but there are
It’s just a crowd, therefore you don’t exist at all!
M> Do you remember, during the years of perestroika our country had just
M> America's whirlwind has flown in? Do you remember how proud your friends were?
M> a small cardboard on which, using the photocopying method,
M> were karate poses depicted? Or the same cardboard with
M> image of Viktor Tsoi? Do you remember those fitness clubs where
M> our Russians, moderately well-fed ladies with sacred bandages on their foreheads
M> believed that they were living in a new time, that they
M> pulled ahead, going after something new and unknown? Now
M> you see how funny this is. And in the same way you will laugh at
M> by yourself.
Well, why is it funny? These phenomena were normal for
time, now it’s a different time, different fashion, different principles.
Most people (the herd) follow fashion. Today they are like this
it’s fashionable, tomorrow they will be different, because what happened yesterday -
passed stage. But there are always people with a strong character,
continuing to follow the principles they followed
earlier. Examples: our grandfathers are communists. Do you think it's easy to convince them?
is that communism is crap? Or 60s hippies? Or bikers?
Old people are always respected. I neverI won't laugh at
by their principles. Of course, everything in our lives evolves,
including me, starting my stage and coming to who I am
now. Evolution continues, but I will always be faithful
the general principles of my worldview, from which I will not deviate,
because it's mine.
M> Gopniks will be the MAJORITY. And what are YOU among this huge
M> masses? Are you still talking about any concepts?
I am not among this huge mass, I am outside of it. If I live among
people, this does not mean that I am the same as everyone else or that I follow
generally accepted principles. This does not mean that I think, I act
life, I dress or do something else just like everyone else. Even in
the Middle Ages, when the tyranny of the clergy and the cruelty of the
time destroyed all individuality, there were people who
led a slightly different lifestyle than just the gray macca.
It is enough to give examples of at least artists and writers. You
do you think it was easy for them to live among the gray mass that never
Couldn't you be like them?
M> There is something to despise society for. I was born, I came to this
M> peace and I see that those who came before me did everything badly,
M> turned the world into shit. I didn't do any of this, why did I
M> must live by your fucking laws?
Only those who do nothing make no mistakes. Why is this
"according to your laws"? What are we,swapped places? After all, according to the text
I run into the model of public morality, you defend it. Now
Macros admits that society despises and does not want to live by
generally accepted laws, thereby agreeing with me. Where here
logic? Although, perhaps, the absence of logic is your logic?
M> A hairy metalhead can be a gopnik.
A hairy metalhead cannot be a gopnik, because c
With the worldview of a gopnik, he would have come not to metal, but to gop-ctony.
If he starts to think like a gopnik, he becomes one, but this
will no longer be a metalhead. You've never interacted with people like this
If you think like that. To be a metal head, you need at least
enter into music, which for ordinary people is “dumb”.
Do you think why among this small contingent
There are so many hairy personalities with a not at all low IQ?
Of course, there are “deviations” from the norms everywhere, and for sure
somewhere there are metalheads-gopniks, but this one was picked up a long time ago
the term is posturing. I think it is pointless to deny their presence and
I think it’s funny to call posers true followers of what
that they are actually distorting things. You just need to be able to distinguish
“true” from “posers” and then such questions will not arise.
M> Really, by the word “gopnichestvo” we only mean that
M> does a person listen to pop music?
But this is exactly the stereotype that has developed. Justbig
Some of those who listen to pop music are just gopniks.
M> Gopnichestvo is a way of life and action. This is what man
M> does it wrong.
Such a person considers his actions to be correct.
Gopnichestvo is a certain way of life and action. Gop-stop!
Take off your jacket! These punchers will always be in
the majority. Only someone does it on a larger scale, and someone
less, on a subconscious level. Anyway, there's a gang
jackals and the leader, the guide who leads the crowd. Naturally
any dissent is persecuted. So it was, so it is and so it will be
always.
M> So what are you going to do now? Fight? [with gopniks] No
M> make me laugh!
Life is a constant struggle for survival. If this is not the case
do it, you'll just die.
M> Is Mr. Cannibal probably a pagan?
No, that's not true. I guess the cama Heresy indicates who I am
I am.
M> Eh, no-ee!!! For those who are totally turned, this is “kpuk”, and others
M> similar. Heresy is a steering edition.
Screaming - uh... How can I put it more humanely? Partly for
gays, partly for stagers. Being a stager, I read this
magazine, (scene materials), litas and texts that give
I don’t read “blue”, preferring to skip such
"pearls".
By the way, I didn’t have the honor to know that Heresy is for total
rotatedin fact camom is heresy for gopniks! :)
M> Cyberpunks are cool guys, and I, like everyone else, respect them. A
M> if you didn’t see this topic in my texts, then you’re either from
M> a remote village, or a brake that has no idea about
M> underground cultures! :)
Parried well. Cannibal, did you hear? :)
M> Such texts are absolutely meaningless, and the purpose of writing this
M> text - show it again. And I will write similar ones until then
M> it’s time until we understand this. I don’t understand this yet.
With such ease at the end of his article, Macros cam and
admits the meaninglessness of what he wrote. Maybe me too
I'm making a mistake by supporting this truly meaningless
discussion...
Here's what I'll tell you at the end of this text: don't sit
on my computer a lot!
. . .
Literature:
1. Heresy 5 "The Life of a Computer Geek or Computer vs Life"
by Demiurge Ash (c) 2000
2. MSF_22 "Heresy 6 - criticism of the article" by Macros (c) 2002
3. scream 2 "Computer vs Life" by kreestaj (c) 2001
4. Heresy 8 "Fresh Scene News//MSF_22" by Cannibal (c) 2002
5. MSF_24 "heresy" by Macros (c) 2002
*bonus:
6. Body #38 "Interview with Fatal Snipe^FNM^Psycho"
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