ZX-News #52
06 октября 2000 |
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Superintervyu - "How I became a sysop" talk about itself strangest inhabitants SPbZXNet.
Superintervyu Regular readers of "ZX-News" probably remember something unusual interview published in the 44-45-x rooms. Such innovation many had to taste, and we decided to continue it. This time the topic is, of course, the other, but We hope that it will be no less interesting than the previous one, especially people pertaining to the networks. :) So ... __________________________________________ -= How I became a sysop = Sysop ... Like many in this word tangled for anyone who has ever been on BBS. Some imagine the host network station, a sort of austere man who just that - climb will not, pluck all the feathers. Others refer to as a sysop to some strange creature that is not sleeping at night and followed stealthily behind every action nick on the BBS. And if he wants speak at the terminal, then all Now Despite the assault on the part of households and tomorrow's work day, hitter will sysop captive for the night ... Joking aside, a sysop for many vsetaki mysterious nature. :) And, in fact, What makes a man turn his computer BBS - an arena for virtual battles between the user, who visited her? Why is it a pleasure to disassemble logs in the morning with Pestryaev errors and excessive user requests BBS? Finally, what is life sysop "beyond" station? On these and many other issues Answers sown in our superintervyu, which we took from sisopov SPbZXNet. Unfortunately, not everyone, but only those who responded to the request "ZX-News". It is planned to interview all sisopov ZXNet, but the success of this ideas depends on the activity thereof. However, the stories of St. Petersburg's colleagues think inspire ZXNet'nyh hosts on BBS confession. ;-) Well, now it's time to start getting acquainted with "otherworldly" life sisopov. :) By the way, we should add that some authors sent their stories in response to a proposed plan for the story, which were subsequently edited (by prior agreement). So do not surprised if you notice a similarity in the construction of stories - give the word: they wrote not the same person. :) __________________________________________ Sysop Astral-II BBS, Denis Kurlaev / KEVIN I think that we should start a conversation with question: "How have the desire to get into network? ". It was in one of the days in August, on the hidden party Enlight'97, when I met Alexander Knyazev / Merlin 'om. Talking and he started me something about the grind of the grid. Well, they started to change software (when it was his fifth point in the radio market pull), so it has become Several annoying, especially when making an appointment with the Sanka, and he does not privalivaet ... And so, once quite lazy, I went to Avtovo (it was summer, in January - as I remember;))) and there bought a modem XTR. Then telephoned Shurik (he at the time was a sysop Astral BBS and 6-m nodom), he gave me a Point (address at the Tartar;)) - and in front of me opened up the world SPbZXNet. Somewhere around four months, I sat in the role of the user, calling every night BBS and cursing all and sundry. In one fine night when I rolled over on the boss to I received an offer from Merlin'a: - A Do you want to become a sysop? What I hesitated and replied: - I do not know, STE must consider, as it's probably difficult. - No big deal, know the scheduled time cut in the station and the trick is done. "Break" I have a couple of days. On the third day Sanya shook my BBS (then still was 3.15) and taught to use it. And now comes test on the night of Astral-II BBS. Sanya posted infoshku in his messagah - say, I have opened an independent station. The first night I got a call to a person two or three. They spoke about the glitch, which subsequently had to be Fixed. And so, month after month, I grow into role sysop ... Of course, for the first time BBS were difficulties with its settings, as All clearance went through my IS-DOS. And each once had in his climb to correct errors. Especially in a text file (not to be confused with messagami, although there have their own jokes). Sometimes it was fun, mostly with the killing of the disc. I remember the following, related to the fact that the size of the redundant place under the log I was very big. AND Here on the BBS there someone that is uploading, and dumps. Remains on disk space exactly 666 sectors. Comes to the station the next user, and seeing that place a lot, trying something pour. One attempt, second, third ... A Then you sit and think, can not help but believe in the devil. :) Suggestions for beginners sysop: do not be afraid, scary yet to come. :) Users BBS: do not try to merge all files at once - remember that in addition to the grid you have are still people who also want to get on station. __________________________________________ Sysop Burn BBS, Sergei Kamenskih It all began in the early spring of 1999. I have an MMD 3.16. Naturally, I immediately rushed to write lyrics to it and ASCII-drawing pictures. And after a couple of days, I have a friend already tested that I did. However, after several failed tests it has stopped, and the idea o Create BBS has been postponed until better times. A month later, I caught the eye of help Programming Language BBS 4.00. When I read it - there was even greater, than before, a desire to open up their station. However, the summer came, and with it the rest of the computer. : ( When I again found myself in the city, the first thing called MAS'u and agreed with him about buying his MMD 4.00. And, behold, it happened! On September 1, I rushed home from Floppy cherished and began to study it content. The first step is transcribed in a notebook all the description of a programming language,%), since I do not really represent where You can find someone who agrees print 30 pages of text on a freebie. :) (Although, later, one such was found, but I still more expensive than hand-written version.) A few days later I began to understand ishodnyakah. After a couple of weeks I have easily able to program itself, which, strictly saying and doing - in between studying / sleep / etc. A month later, the main program has been rewritten, and it remains to correct minor glyuchki that often arise in the process of debugging the new bells and whistles. And finally, on Nov. 24, 1999, opened Burn BBS. :) At first, the work station very large piles was to find the user in user-list. For some unknown reason, under certain circumstances, not the card is opened the user (or rather, all kind of left that out of principle There can be no). Because of this, user-list flew to edrenoy hair dryer. :) Cure it by I had to remove the entry for the user defined number. (By the way, is still on Many BBS is a bug: when the user stay on station in the user-list do not appear to change data that occurred during this time.) Particularly eye-popping gags me has not been, yet I was not so long ago opened ... :) But what I noticed. Y many (especially those new to the network) for Registration question arose, what it means Request bibieski about the desired level and time access. Some naive to believe that What tsiferki they're put, and such will be in the user list. :) And finally, tips ... Sysop: try to do so, to users to be comfortable to work on your BBS. And do not open it up until will not know how to construct your program in order not to enter into a tailspin when the user types the question: "But made himself This, this and that! ". Well, nick ... I do not know. Oh! Idea! The Council is this: do not sit on BBS'ke on 45 minutes without a break (mostly As newcomers) to the post time. After all, you are not alone - many people also want to get station, download Ehi, drain / fill-mails. __________________________________________ Sysop Russian BeeBeeSka, Vladimir Larkov (500:812 / 1) In February 1997, the year of Vlad Kropachev "Perestroika" (Tver) wanted sprites "Dune". Someone from our St. Petersburg artists were blank. We Vlad gone anyway netmylom, and agreed to exchange material. But he had only terminalka, but I have no desire to watch to call all night, so I poured Maximus and configured. Since then, and worth it. ;) Until then, I have long nights "Ansveril" modem, so the whole process did not take much time. In the settings did not do anything special - such small things. Nobody kicks a - I and not moving. Program, as before, in mainly on the diskettes. If someone asks you something - to find and spread. Difficulties with the work of BBS were not any, but the fun is, although not particularly stunning. So, sometimes, at intervals of once every two months someone calls at night, hears a dial-up "hello", and instead to wait konnekta - enough pipe and begins to talk to the modem. He runs an answering machine, and I am listen on a very similar message literally read: "Oh ... (pause, breath). bibies And where? A bibies work? .. (pause, breath.) Sorry, to bye ...". For starters I recommend to read the news at the entrance to Bordeaux. I have been there, for example, a long letter with helpful tips, all of which are ignored. But nothing could save your time. But more of a global advice is this: connect Hayes and configure myler. Automation - rulez. __________________________________________ Sysop MAS-BBS, Aleksandr Majorov (500:812 / 02) No desire to open the BBC has never been! ;-) Bibisya was opened by because it was necessary to debug Download BBS. ;-))) The most important difficulty in opening site was a complete lack of software and automatic modem (in the sense that the receiver he shot and responded to a call). And so, small things - software bugs that are fixed; glitches iron, when the computer could hang, fall in the underground debugger off-hook, and hung for so the whole night ... The difficulties was the fact that all had to invent itself (treatment mail communication between nodes and other nasty things). About how it all evolved, we can honor of the anniversary issue of "ZX-News". And generally, in fact, the story * MAS * BBS has a history SPbZXNet'a. ;-) This station opened on the very first and still work. Naturally, there were interruptions when I was not in St. Petersburg, but Nevertheless, it is the "LP" BBS. :-) What were the eye-popping fun? Well, the funny thing was watching the actions of people at the station and read the content messag sysop and letters in the fences. :-) This type (of the fence, "Hi all"): "Andrey Radziwill: Hey, IK. Long virus looking for - zaley MAS'u;). Cute joke. :-)) But there is another funny - this is when I start the evening to repair the Speccy ... Repairs are usually completed in the morning, so that the station does not work. ;-)) It happens and a double joke, when the KIR came to me with a car and a night like this does not worked nor my site, nor any of its (/ 18). :-))) And one was a triple funny! As you realized that night was not working as much three knots! And all three sites were in my room. I mean, that was attended by a car and sysops! ;-)) This was very cool event for all the work MAS-BBS. These things happen in the summer, in August of 1998. At that time I was on vacation and at home There was no one ... (They ran all? ;-) - Ca. ed.) gathered myself somehow expansion device screen 512h192 ... (Of course, doing the night. :-)))) Kira wanted the same place on your computer. Well, he came to me this evening. And here I am sit quietly Paju, when the nine pm me ran Seryoga (29-th node) - however, it is always with me in it Time was, ;-) because he was easier receive mail on a diskette. :-) Seeing what garbage we're doing, it soon ran away with the post home, but an hour to 23-m somehow deign to come back ... In short, by about 00:00 typewriter Cyrus, we have gathered ... (I do not remember why it is so long - like there some things were ...) Cyrus same prikinuv that transport is no longer walk, and walk with your computer to drag lazily at home I have one, but here also 29 th with a beer ... ;-) In general, Cyrus decided to stay. Yes, I almost forgot! Because when you set up an extended screen I needed monitor, then that's what I have done: took the lead from the monitor to your PC and let it - well, I think, let them hang. Right now, sir! Conductor is long! Falling to the floor, begins to swing and hits the jack Radiator PSU! Sparks fly! In from the station freezes. With a scream: "$#%^'%^'%$^'*$%^'*%^'*!" I reboot machine. Pull the plug from the monitor ... and let go of him! He falls, swings and again hits the radiator !!!.. ... After some got this situation: the 18 th node does not work because All I have is. 29-d still works. My site is running, but starting floppy, with which I load BBSevy software already died from the monitor cable. ;-) I managed to korotnut food at a time when it was access to the disk ... That is, I understood immediately - Another kortysh and all! There was half past ... And here Seryoga "come" in the head THOUGHT! Type he also wanted to fuck enhanced screen! Well, have retained me on (the view was still that: a lot bulbs in a room lit ;-)))) and went to him, good, live side by side ... Along the way, went round the stall. AND There I learned that in the morning sausage is not sold. :-))) Came to the earrings, looked like Find Topics Find Topics for station crawl ... And before you turn off the car, we got the best Funny joke of all time! (O It will tell a little later.) In general, turn off the computer and dragged me home. Thus, the situation: two sites do not work anymore! Unscrew the machine, I decided to connect to monitor it ... Pull the cable from his car, thrown to the floor, the cord legonechko As for the radiator ... sparks car crash, screams, mate! .. In short, once the starting drive died, and the station freezes, I Knocked your Speccy. Now three host do not work and are in my room! ;-))) Well, I was sitting, "to expand the screen, and these bastards sit in and play something. Naturally, I'm curious and I also look at the monitor. :-))) In general, how long, short, but by six in the morning I gathered the same extended screen. Incidentally, in the 29 th was a 'green' Scorpio, in contrast to our "yellow". Checked - like all works. Connect to Seryogin computer - OK. Idly incorporated turbo. Immediately followed strike three jaws on the floor. ;-))) What did we see? And we saw "the image on the monitor, which sees a sysop early in the morning after an intense sisopki. Now I will explain. Well, the menu of Scorpio or 128go Spectrum, I think, have seen everything. So So now imagine that this menyuha drawn, as it should, in the center of the screen. BUT! She also repeated at the top, right and bottom ... And besides, on the curb! Presented? No? I too was unable to imagine a similar, if not seen is himself. :-))) In short, exclaiming: "Get thee hence!", We decided that enough for today. ;-) And I'm all kicked, and struck some sleep ... Then I found the cause of this fun - This has been particularly circuitry Green fees. To correct the problem, I then restored the start diskette, and The evening was all three sites were in operation state. And now just a fairy tale! What happened at the apartment of 29-th! ... Looking for a little crawling juzverej on station, we were cut BBS, walked themselves on other BBS'yam and finally decided that all that time - when at this time some one called us. And MMD removed a tube ... Juzverej tried to enter my password, and all at the sight of it flashed a wild idea: right now we have over a man make a joke! Like, he came to BBS'yu ... However, the juzverej was fearful and fled. Deciding to wait for his next victim, we sat before a computer and have to wait Call ... Finally someone to contact us! A small note: U> - replies juzverej; MMD> - something that she had written herself MMDya, I mean technical information; [...] - My comments. ----------------------------------------- MMD> Ring! MMD> NUMBER ***-**-** CATEGORY 1 ZAPROMMD> PSB 3 [Phone number deleted.] STOPED!!! This is the new version of my BBS! :-) U> Garden Prompt password: ***** [Password removed.] :-) You are identified. However, the password can know each, but no phone number. Enter New phone number for identification: U> 580-68-76 [This is a phone DEMETRA-BBS, ie where juzverej rang the bell.] Is not recognized! You are given one more attempt: [This sentence was interrupted by the following letters.] U> byablbbyalbyablb U> ***-**-** [Here juzverej entered my phone.] OK! :-) You otpyscheno 40 minute digits life. What would you like? You can download sledyyuschie files: 1. Network ekhi 2. Fido ekhi 3. Files games. 4. sitemnye files U> 3 :-) Our chelvek! :-) So, your genre: U> Action : - / Is there something I did not understand .... :-( Is to identify for the first 4-m bykvam. For example, the strategy - countries U> CABG :-) Our Man! Double or single? U> is not tired of? [Then we realized that the user understood something ... ;-) But Serge is not surrendered!] : - / I do not understand ... U> Dyp, that's not understood! : - / However, you are not our people .... : - / Maybe myzyki want? U> N! :-( What a pity ... OK. I give free dostyp to Disk ... U> OK MMD> TRANSFER CATALOG MMD> Catalog. A MMD> END EXCHANGE Want to polychit kratkyyu harakteristiky files? U> ok! :-( In this version is not implemented. :-( [At this point there was a loud laugh.] U> on reasrosi #$%'! I do not understand. : - / MMD> TRANSFER CATALOG MMD> Catalog. B MMD> END EXCHANGE Want to polychit summary files? [When Serge wrote it - there was wild laughter!] U> the second time Mr. etprikolneyplyu! [We have again decided that the user understand - have fun watching over him, but ...] :-( The file not syschestvyet on the disk. Vvedita file correctly: U> kich :-( In the Dana version is not implemented. :-( [Just wild laughter, rolling in hysterics ... :-)] U> Motherucker!!! : - / I do not understand ... [Who was sitting where - and there fell!] MMD> TRANSFER CATALOG MMD> Catalog. C MMD> END EXCHANGE Want to polychit short soderzhanneie files? [This sentence was interrupted by the following letters.] U> nnenten U> No !!!!!!!!! This version is not implemented. Perhaps Sysop soon it will do. [How then neighbors did not come to us - still do not understand! It was such a laugh!] MMD> Request end of the connection Already yhodysh? MMD> FOUND short beeps! MMD> Off line! ----------------------------------------- Well, we had decided that the user understood, also pinned on us, and therefore simply hung up ... However, coming home with me and glancing posts on the fence, we saw something! Verbatim: "2MAS. In short, I'm on the case: if you have developed what is now DEMETRA, it was a mistake - very inconvenient to work, not only writes with errors, so not yet in the subject responds. -= Devil =- ". After this DIKIY0 laughter rang out already in my apartment! All caught! It turned out that set Serega texts, slowly, to spelling (!) - was adopted as a special version BBS! ;-))) __________________________________________ Sysop Scorpion Station, Mihail Zharov (500:812 / 8) The main problem lies not in the opening of BBS, and in a stable and long enough to schedule the work station. Can add: bug-free computer ATS'ku good, a lot of nerve cells and immensely good family. ;-) I realized only later, but first, if "at great landmarks, it was so: November 1997 the first BBS needed for local purposes, but in December, the station became available to everyone. And in June, my boss, Ivan Savin, went into the army and offered me his address nodny Save. ;-) So I became nodom. However, to December BBS was so overloaded that the 15 th of that month, I began to work only with their PostScript points ... Well, the summer of 2000, when Ivan returns to network, I hope "to retire." ;-)) (All this was written in the spring, and later, that is, today, when John burst out of the clutches of [beep] the army, he was in no hurry to take up BBS - "waste" of military life. So and now that Michael is still one of the best sysop SPbZXNet'ovskih stations. - Ca. ed.) What were the difficulties the first time - now I do not remember, but as you go always interfered with the audacity of some people ... But the jokes used to be a lot. In Overall, it was fun ... For example, unsuccessful KF attempts to crack the station. "Trojan horses in the programm of SF. The threats and complaints, lamerstvo, training, etc. Total not remember ... Now, unfortunately, I have There is very little free time, and as a result - not enough communication. Well, finish, perhaps, advice, as you requested. :) Future sysop - clearly understand the goal of a BBS, and users - to think not primarily about imagine your favorite ... __________________________________________ Sysop Dark Dragon Station, Igor Gruzdev (500:812 / 09) Why have the desire to open a BBS? Why, why ... When there was the address in Fidoshke as Point (and maybe earlier even with the prescription of years can not remember), began to gather different archive programs that somehow came to the network thereof, and accumulate on the screw. Of course, first of all it was a fido-soft and utility different DOSovskie ... Often someone called asking for a set of software, or read mail. This is all somewhat lacked, and ripe idea to open the BBC. Since I myself started with "Maximus" choice in the type of BBS had been predetermined. Here so here and there was all this outrage. At first there were difficulties - in as "zavisonov" station. :) Because I was the not cool sysop, so even nick the problem set, pressing the fact that pushing was simply not logical, because of what all the Vistula and the guys are working. :) Also, problem was the availability of free space on the screw, because the machine was 386-I, with the hard drive on 53 meters, where the huddled set fidoshnika (About 25 meters, with ehami), DOS (approximately one meter), utilities (well, archivers out there, Commander, etc. - another 5 meters). On the BBC was given the order of 10 meters archive of these utilities and fido-software - as a result of the free space is left no more than a dozen meters, and this without my humble wishes at least something to play the same ... And nick, as he often did, to love pour something obscene (or rather, I simply does not apply). Also, difficulty was need to conduct any analysis of "flights" (the logs of the programs), and still fayllisty, counters download'ov and stuff. Yes, Now it works on full automatic, but then it was a lot of batch file, hot buttons and all that buggy and confusing. Of the outstanding pinned to remember something did not succeed, but in general for sysop BBS they are always a few pieces there. Well, standard jokes - like the inscriptions at Connect "Press RESET to enter on BBS". AND since reaped. And often - and several times row. :) Also funny was put Virtual-sysop (then brake psevdosisopa) and in the morning to read all sorts of funny Talk user, and Virtual. Unfortunately, those times the most funny conversations with I have not survived, but still here excerpts of these conversations - for example: ----------------------------------------- Rang Denis Bolotnikov (DB), Virtual SysOp (VS) is responsible ... VS: Wow, dryzhische! DB: Hayushki! :) How are you young? (It should be read - like a mirror.:)) VS: There's no one in the face to grab ... DB: Yeah, I think, again, somewhere stuck? VS: You're good ... DB: STE you for what? VS: That emy. DB: You do not happen to psys? VS: A link pyleznaya! DB: Hmm ... :) VS: Aha. DB: Aha-ha-ha. ;) VS: Ugym ... DB: What's your name? VS: Right now would be to "LBA" igranyt! ;) DB: What's your name? VS: Do not be repeated! DB: What's your name? VS: I have heard it has finally arrived ... DB: Well done,: 0 a. VS: Hmm? DB: Hmm ... Damn, ha-Achu pogovrit with normal living sysop, and not with the machine. : EEE VS: What is it? DB: What? VS: In the same sense. DB: Damn, Igor, STE you or psisisop? VS: Sam you ... pancake. DB: Maybe, maybe, but I never got an answer to your question. VS: That's good. DB: Very much. <...> DB: Okay, turn off the name ... VS: And you yveren this? DB: At 100%! VS: You, too, is not devoid of humor chyvstva. DB: There's a little bit. VS: Blee-and-in. DB: Sam you're a pancake. : EEEEEEEEEEEEE VS: Not ygadal. DB: Who are you then after that? ;) VS: I went down. DB: 8 - / VS: I chyvstvyyu that zasny ... DB: "Similarly, the Chef" (C) Koloboks. :) VS: Still Will you come with me? Are you wondering ... DB: Yeah, me interesting, but you feel that you fall asleep - Op-p-riginalno. ;) <...> VS: Gama relieve emotional stress? DB: Yeah, bloodshot eyes staring into the monitor, a man sits - he is quite "calm" - for 2 days as he can not pass the "mirror". :) VS: Yes, yzh! DB: Gy-Gy. :) VS: That you, Dennis, annoying? DB: What was it? VS: Hy like this ... DB: Hmm, all of you, my friend, is clear. :) VS: Aha DB: gee! VS: Tyt new "Dos Navigator" ytyanyli. Rylez this! DB: Right now Specchia disperse and look. :) VS: I do not know what to write ... DB: And you do not write and let me go. VS: No you do not keep. Chat over VS'om. Then telephoned Timofey (T), VS is responsible ... VS: Igor slyhaet ... <...> T: Hey, while you "Identikit" needed?? I've already written about him ... VS: Nu-nyuT: Why all the sysops are not of this world?? VS: Because. T: And you yourself where is Claudia torment? VS: Yes otkyda I know where is Claudia torment? T: I asked you first! VS: I asked you first. T: Who are repeats - that bad! VS: How is the weather there at ylitse? And then my laziness in the window vyglyanyt ... T: And I'm with you has never talked to?? And then questions like ... VS: Everything can. :-) T:??? VS: How do tvoemy can trust vynyu? T: No, I do not talk to you !!!!!!!!!!! VS: What? T: But it was at the Eagle Station - do not understand! VS: Hy so Timich, not ... T: PANCAKES! Who are you ???????????? VS: You. 8) T: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VS: Slyshay, Gama relieve emotional stress? T: It depends on what Gama ... VS: It's too late has finally arrived ... T: Who are you?? VS: As someone? T: So, I'm with you already once talked, but I know that is not talk ... (???): (( VS: That's good. T: FFFFFFFFFFFF !!!!!!!!!! VS: Class ... T: Save me, so who are you? VS: How am I? T: Yes, that's it! VS: In short, this is a rotten market, you sobiraeshsya help me as al? T: I'm going, but what?? VS: What are you drawn to such themes? T: MAMA! Who are you ??????????? VS: As someone? T: Igor?? VS: In an apple! :) T: A NAME?? VS: You know ... I'm tygo think. T: It is generally Dark Dragon, or what? The chat ended. We leave ... (Chat VS'om completed.) However, Timofey rang again, and VS diligently answers on ... VS: You have not bothered to call me to chat? T: One last question: you "Identikit" needed or not? VS: Tim, you're wrong! T: I know! VS: Hy is ladnenko. T: Identikit?? VS: I do a four-zapytalsya has finally arrived. T: AAAMMM! "Identikit" needed or not? VS: A. .. Ny well ... T: END CHAT?? VS: Hy Th-ee. T: A-A! "Identikit"?? NEED?? FFFUUU! <...> VS: Who am I Gowar? T: with tea on FIDONETU! VS: By the way, tyt recently koechto happened .. T: our car was robbed ... VS: Hy, let's continue ... T: And the elephants are flying south ... VS: That's it! Recently, a similar incident occurred ... <...> T: You Th from the software need?? VS: You are about me or what? T: Yes. VS: Yeah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah. T: Any soft - it's just a dream sysop ... VS: Hy okay. T: Bye!!! VS: I yshel! Chat over VSys'om. ----------------------------------------- Something like Virtual-sysop was still installing Virtual-DOS. Funny thing, too: is something like a button, "accidentally neglected sysop, to enter the command line (line) DOS. Given to actual file locations on your hard drive, but all the teams (well, almost everything) are performed in advance prepared scripts. Thus, the user can safely "wipe" file "format" the hard drive, etc. It's funny happened that someone had fallen in This Virtual-DOS, for the sake of experiment, "wore out" or that I've found, and then, frightened voice called and apologized, saying, accident, and all that. Now wishes to ... Well, sysop - spread on BBS'u not "gigazy warez" (Ie, software innovations), but what you like them personally, rather than nick. Why? Because "Gigazov" everywhere in bulk and assembled _lyubovno_ software is hardly where you can find. Topics more if a person has made a selection programs, all sorted, expanded in shelves, and he knows where that he is and what makes this or that I've found - it's better than the file-list of three meters with "<0oL_h @
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