ZX-Party - a deep discussion about the ludicrous position demomeykerov against the creators of virtual worlds - geymmeykerov.
ZX-Party
Finally, we received a letter from the camp of fans
demomeykinga, and from someone who puts the demos above the
rest of software - that is the message we were waiting to make
a "negotiating table". :)
Following is an interesting article by Sergey
Zotov / ZS (Samara), in which he talks about MMA / UnBeliver 's
(known for his publications in the scandalous "Oberon'e and
"BornDead'e") and the scenery in general.
Our comments about the article we defer to the lyrics.
facilities. Everyone who wants to share his thoughts on the
affected subject, may send them to the editorial office.
Now Sit back, dear
readers - you will become an observer of the "ZX-Party'ynym
ring." ;-) __________________________________________
So, today's letter from Chelyabinsk
by Blade (Triumph):
ZX-PARTY: My response to the sun
> Let us try to observe the story. Demomeyking
> Born as a means of expressing coolness programmer
> Its the creative level.
What about other platforms, I'm not sure, but
Here on the ZX-Spectrum, he initially represented the slope of
hacking, ie Poles (and it can be regarded as the progenitor of
demostroeniya to ZX) just pulled out muzonchiki of toys and
inserted (again, often pull) line.
ZXN: It turns out that the original demos were
Only fragments of games? ;-) Take into account, sir. A hacking
and programming were then almost synonymous. :)
Reporter: More - more. Was gradually
transition to digital songs (Sabrina, Lambada, etc.), well, and
there is too close to own compositions, concentration
on coding and graphics. However, most
We shall do just for self-expression, and
do not show a steep coding.
ZXN: True, but _bolshinstvo_ dem done yet to show a steep
coding, or for practice in it, because as you can be called
self-expression to pull out of the game something wrong
picture, followed by a super-duper scrolls and a couple of new
effects?
> Ie demos showed the possibility of their creators in the field
> Code. Naturally, over time, this resulted in a race between
> Encoders for the development of new and new effects - there
were > Competitions, which were called party.
Reporter: Please do not confuse the party with the
competition. Party - it is a party, and competitions are only
for physical education classes! You probably want to say compo
(Competition)?
ZXN: Yes, just recently the word
party has become popular for many practically merged in meaning
with the compo.
> <...> Voting at the festival was nekorretnym since
> Tribute was given to the traditional mind dem, and in the
rules even > Was introduced a ban on artistic demo - a familiar
Poon> kT the inadmissibility of the animation in the works.
Reporter: The ban was to clean the animation
use the same animation was demah
allowed. Demo of pure anima is not a demo.
ZXN: On the resolution of the animation just anything
said no, and her appearance, we should be thankful
demomeykeram-innovators and ... ticky-tacky jury. :) But from
the deme net animation can not exist physically, because to all
the shows normal (not to mention originality) - requires
special routines in assembler.
> <...> Organized Chaos Constructions'000 now seriously
> Is considering a proposal for approval by a vote of two
> Nominations - better code and better storyline. Ie the first
time a step > To the actual development demomeykinga.
Reporter: That's pretty good move.
As they say, Cesarean - Cesarean.
ZXN: Well, at least in this case there is complete agreement,
what pleases me. :)
> Thanks importunate propaganda noisy scenery, <...>
> Among spektrumistov widely believed that the proof> to show
your skills can only be demah, but not in games or si> stemnyh
programs.
Reporter: There's something I do not recall such a policy.
Demo - it's a very complex interweaving plot, graphics, coding,
music and design. And it is very difficult, beyond the power of
each group.
ZXN: Game system and program do not
less difficult (meaning serious projects).
> Meanwhile, the deme, which was not represented at the party,
NE> us to measure the monstrous waste of creative energy
wasted, and > Believe me, none of this work is not to say thank
you (gently govo> series) by its author.
Reporter: But you're wasting it! Remember even
would be things like "Brain Surgery" (RUSH),
"Brain Crash" (Progress), "Mental Masturbation" (RUSH), "Extasy
Megademo" (RUSH)! Is it a waste of time? To
time it was very powerful things (and
Now there is something to see), and, believe me, the authors
received feedback fans and most importantly - the recognition
stage, it is even more than money. Examples here can cause a
lot of (take the same CBS).
ZXN: Well, remember there are now about these demah
(Which appear to be in their midst
masterpieces?) as well as "Dizzy-X", "Dizzy-Y", "The Adventures
of Winnie the Pooh", "Last Raider "and others? But it's
mid-level game. Masterpieces of the same games in the world
are: "Star Heritage", "UFO-I", "UFO-II", "Mirror", "Last
Battle", "Black Crow" - felt the contrast?
By the way, what is meant by the stage? A handful of
people-demomeykerov, mostly from stsenerskimi overrun, or Still
spektrumistov creative society? If the latter, the recognition
is much more of the authors of the system and game programs, as
convincingly said reviews of the numerous - and
hence, for every taste - Spectrum
magazines and newspapers.
> On the Spectrum the best way to realize itself - is the
creation > Any game or system program, which deme and
> Close to be compared: for example, recently released game
"Opera> tion" OIL "or sistemka" BestView "shut up for the belt
any DeMouy!
Reporter: From the foregoing, I understand that
you demomeyking almost nothing. Simply put you _nichego this is
not ponimaete_, so that's right. Demo - it's
real art, incomparable to any where the games and systems!
Well, as an example you have brought is simply amazing! Show
I still have people who will argue
that the "Operation" OIL "and" BestView "shut up
the belt of any DeMouy and I will throw stones at them!
ZXN: Our negative attitude concerns
not demomeykinga and scenery (which turned
demomeyking in his instrument of self-affirmation), and it was
explained in great detail in two issues of "ZX-News" in a row.
Open the third lecture? :) The fashion for demomeyking,
sceners introduced in 1996-98-x minimized the release of the
rest of the software that caused huge resentment (as evidenced
by the press of those years, and "Spectrofon", for example,
sounded the alarm earlier) and outflow of users Spectrum
(mostly in video game consoles). Because of this, the program's
authors have lost the opportunity of material encouragements -
a very strong incentive, inspiring, for example, V. Mednonogova
and Step'ovtsev. (And it's not so much money, but in the
knowledge that favorite hobby can be and work - and it is
half of something called happiness.)
In addition, victims and demomeykery -
those who are really engaged in creative work. Dema is writing
for? To it looked - and what if this is the best reward to the
author? Words of thanks? Maybe, but nothing compares to when
your DeMouy, the embodiment of self-expression, looks a whole
room spektrumistov on the main festival of the year! And the
audience just for the contemplation of demos, not to its
anatomy,:) that quite often when watching at home,
when, after some tough episode
deme mercilessly stops and starts
feverish digging in its internal ...
So, spektrumisty having talent demomeykera because of
ridiculous fashion issue dem along with games and sistemkami
turned out, of course, left out - and a very robust design!
It is as if the same B. Mednonogov after scaling its three
thousand dollars, the proceeds of the "UFO-I", suddenly
discovered that they were all false. ;-) By the way, joke with
a hint ...
Hopefully, it is now clear why we are opposed stsenerskogo
(read - samodurovskogo) movement, which does not Spectrum
yielded nothing useful to say the least. And the accusations
about our incompetence in demomeykinge not clear: it edited
"ZX-News" is not considered demos, and their deleterious effect
(caused by - sceners) at Spectrum life.
> Actually demomeyking as a means of self-assertion appeared to
> Other platforms, where it is very difficult to realize their
creative > The idea as a game or a system program, because they
will inevitably > Sink into the abyss - this software sea, and
on it nobody pays > Attention (there was there-so the
atmosphere).
Reporter: Again, no. No, no and no again
No!
ZXN: Objection sounds convincing - especially on a foundation
of evidence in the form spepogo negation of everything. ;-) We
are in the quote was a question on why demomeyking
other platforms (modern and not on the Commodore 64) was the
only means of assertiveness in programming (if
Apart from the internet).
> So, sceners usually have access not only to
> Spectrum, but also to other computers - when he saw a
fashionable trend, > They immediately seized him, began
shouting that the games and system> Temko "sax with mazdaem who
write only lamer, say, pi> write can and should" only demos,
because Blam-Blam-Blam .. .
Reporter: Well, I do not remember anything either
one friend sceners who had it
said. Everyone does that he wants (to the extent possible).
Undoubtedly, the need and demos, and sistemki, and games.
ZXN: We will not catch sceners and poke
them in the nose for those who do not believe in his
contemptuous attitude to the game and system programs. Only
allowed myself to quote some people who seem to respect the
scenery: "Demo - this is real art not comparable with any game
and there systems! <...> Show me more people
who will argue that the "Operation
"OIL" and "BestView" shut up for the belt any
DeMouy and I will throw stones at them! ". ;-) And that would be
said hardened sceners? :)
Since being wanted various software we
agree a hundred percent. BUT! Dema
on the Spectrum shall only be created
for festivals, otherwise - the chaos from which
everyone suffers!
> And many of scenery realize that the prevalence of
> We shall allow them to manipulate public opinion, since in
this > Case for them consolidates the status of experts, in
fact sceners > Returns with his verdict of a Deme.
Reporter: It becomes funny ... Not
is so exaggerate!
2ZXN: Nevertheless, the prevalence of dem
primarily into the hands of just sceners,
anyone else, except for fans
dem (who were much less than lovers
games and software programs). Although, of course,
paints, we have not regretted ... ;-)
> 95% of the produced programs today are demami (conditionally
> Speaking, since demami can only be called what it was before>
shown in party).
Reporter: Well, not 95%! Now comes a huge stream all sorts
of demos and sistemok. Esme is also thriving, which is not
can not but rejoice. Demos are the same per cent of 20-25%.
ZXN: Now - yes, not 95%. And demos authors now try not to
produce (Because they were irritating to
Besides, it was also a kind of demos -
a tribute to that pernicious fashion mentioned above).
But the press, alas, is not thriving - it is fact not in
evidence: and so everything is visible. Obviously, many with
their newspapers as if communicating with other spektrumistami,
expressing his opinion (And thus often not thinking about the
quality of materials). Now, when there are proliferating ZXNet,
you can communicate "Live" - in ehokonferentsiyah, knowing
exactly that your words will reach the addressee. Need in their
newspaper disappeared, and remained only those publications
which the authors are really like journalism.
> Editorial "ZX-News" in 2000, plans to publish a series of
> Articles to combat this rampant epidemic.
Reporter: "The party do not like the demo." What
dobetes you? Another stack of demos
nothing unpledged games?
ZXN: Demo Today, few dare to
issue - I will cast viper:) but
New games and really is - so, from
strategies by July there were two full
games and a prerelease, I mean the version that
which is already possible to play freely. Also came out a few
quests, among them, and such masterpieces as "Crime Santa
Claus-2". In addition, there are a number of new sistemok. If
it is published in the "ZX-News" influenced
the authors of these programs, then these things can be
considered a success. ;-)
> After all, if a person creates a game or a system program,
> He gets the recognition of absolutely all spektrumistov,
whereas > When writing demos, he first of all, deprived of the
potential > Fame, since demomeykingom asked a very narrow range
> People, and secondly, strong bark furiously at risk of being
someone from the > Scenery, which is not like any effect ...
Reporter: And what if, say, Vasily Pupkin
riveted to the next "Mega Color Lines Y2K"
v0.00001 or there "Disk2Disk Copyer", then
He, accordingly, receives the respect and
recognition of the scene? Ha! But if the fear
that someone does not like FX in Deme, then
why bother making party? You contradict yourself ...
ZXN: I wonder what the "scene"? If
a bunch of slackers and talkers with inflated delusions of
grandeur, then try to win their respect will only be like them.
But if the scene represented by people, their
creativity support of Spectrum, the
they have almost no one job is not met by contempt, but try to
treat it with understanding, remembering instructive story
about the author of "Game Box", then built on top of Mount
Olympus Spectrum Games impregnable fortress. :) But
spektrumista that issued the sleek DeMouy, sceners, at best,
osmeyut. And about need party previously mentioned.
> - On the Spectrum has developed a real demomeyking,
> M. is, it should always be only a means of competition and
> Conducted under party; <...>
Reporter: Do you want commercial demomeykinga?
ZXN: And then a commercial demomeyking?
The idea was that the products demostroeniya
should be submitted to the party.
Reporter: In conclusion I would add that I
anyone not impose his point of view. This
just my thoughts and arguments. Let each
choose what to prefer - demo
or game, or both. I watched
demostroenie on many platforms (Amiga,
PC, Spectrum) and I can say with certainty that this is one of
the most powerful and stylish movements in software. Don't try 2
stop this!
ZXN: If this movement is the best, why did
it make Speccy to choke? (If this movement is the best - why it
made Speccy gasp?) And just enthusiasm spektrumistov saved
Speccy, making this hard Die Hard in a fascinating hobby, thanks
Why Spectrum gained immortality.
Reporter: That's it, bye!
WBR, Blade / TRiUMPH '2 E3
ZXN: Thank you very much for your letter, Blade!
Revision "ZX-News" hopes that this interesting discussion has
dispelled many nedrazumeniya associated with our publications
on topics discussed today.
__________________________________________
Now we offer
mentioned at the beginning of the article headings Sergei
Zotov / ZS, Representative Samara in ZXNet and
Holder Site on the Internet dedicated to
Spectrum in Samara.
__________________________________________
(C) 2000 by ZS
In Thoughts of scenery ...
Sceners ... Nobody knows where they are
fell on our head, but I think many will agree with me - not
good.
Once, long ago, in 1997, I
I got me the first disc of Spectrum -
ZS Scorpion 256. Since that time began my acquaintance with
advanced spektrumistami city of Samara. I already knew quite a
few famous people, such as MaxSoft, ALK, Eugene Miloon. These
people authorities were really for me.
Weekly hangouts collected in the book
market, where I could contemplate all the local
celebrities. There I noticed a certain
Khmyrov (that's what I thought then), all of which for some
reason called "ma" and that a lot of talking and speaking.
Really I could then, a naive teenager, who thought
a few years riding bliss zaimet
Scorpion 256 and now regard myself
seventh heaven, that this "Khmyrov" long will my friends and
will periodically try to wash my brains! How could I then
assume that the mean incomprehensible word "sceners? Am I
thinking what the consequences may be from this dating? As it
turned out later, this "Khmyrov" was none other than as the
MMA, he also later became UnBEL! EVER'om, He also has been and
remains "the leader" before Samara hackers, and now I do not
know Who ...
Our acquaintance was commonplace. I needed software. And I
already sated by the fact it was the traders in the market and
wanted chtonibud new. MMA selling my CDs novem. Then I got
lucky enough and I received free access to the Internet. C
it all started. MMA, gave me a couple of
links to resources of Spectrum, was just ask me to software
that I could where to download. Software I have, somehow, found
small. That new software. But something has begun to yield. And
anything with it does not having. Next we had a certain
relationship, which I began to consider friendly, but there it
was. To my suggestion create a website on the Spectrum in
Samara, he reacted like a confusing ... On the one hand, he
wanted this done, but it wondered who it could be done! In
my strength, he initially did not believe it. And do not
believe until now! But I started this project. It can
contemplate on
http://www.zx.ru/zs/
Around the same time - December
1998 - I started to bring MMA to a university and grant it
access to the Internet. For this were done the most difficult
operations for the extraction of the second login and password
on our university network. I put a lot of effort for the
development of Unix (about are absolutely no regrets), and our
Center Internet at SSU. It cost me incredible
efforts recorded twice on the server
in the same uni and give personal login MMA! Since then I have
to this day, only accusations, allegations lamerstve, although
and indirect, of brainwashing, which
By the way, nezrezultivny, except
eerie apathy until the end of the day, and no thanks. And I
also found, and useless person for Speccy! I am to him did not
do anything! And I literally flooded the entire city of Samara
Freestuff software in such amounts that have not dreamed of
even in the period Spectrum flourished in Russia! Soft,
Of course, not always new, but simple nick
I appreciate it. Besides, I did in my
time is not less diskovok than MMA, but
the fault of the latter, they probably will not come out of
Samaria. Now I have a couple projects, almost ready for release.
Personally, I appreciate the usefulness of human
for the Spectrum by the fact that he created for
him. In particular, the hardware and software. I have long
MMA Spektrumistom considered steep, navayal
a lot of software for the ZX, although I have this software in
never seen. But, apparently, in the first months of exploring
the "leader", I was just happy that I communicate with
such a man as he is. But after countless raids on his part,
after I put him on the news channels
Internet, I became very much to think and understand what MMA!
He's a real sceners! And for me it is - BALLAST! He is for all
of its lifetime on the Speccy has not
none softiny! And besides, leads and destructive activities in
our ranks! I'll start things first.
Long ago, when I only dreamed about
machine with a floppy drive and had a 48-second unit with
tape recorder, and can even earlier, in Samara was ZX Club.
There were powerful and smart people, such as MaxSoft.
Everything was wonderful. They were breaking new software,
diskovali old and sold it to the user. All were satisfied and
had nehily grandmother (MaxSoft bought nehily pisyuk on them).
But from not undertake, MMA 'Stars of Keladan. I do not know
what role was played last in the destruction ZX Club'a, but MMA
has decided that may itself zashibat grandmother without it
club. As a result - the club has long been
no.
Another fact. Quite recently (29
June 2000) we (me, MMA, Mm
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