Interview - Kano VS RST7: A true story about how elite representatives of the Spectrum scene could not understand each other.

                                        
                                        
A story about how a friend could not understand 
     friend elite representatives        
        Spectrum scene.           
                                        
Three “authors” once gathered on Inlight.
theta Spectrum scene",  RST7, Zonov
Sergey andKANO - argue about this and that.
Or rather, at first KANO simply decided to take
Sergei Zonov has an interview... and what of this-
it came out - read. This friendly conversation
presented to your attention absolutely
verbatim, without retouching (within censorship limits)
ry).                                    
                                        
KANO: Hello!                     
NW: Good afternoon!                        
KANO: Please introduce yourself.         
NW: Zonov Sergey, director of the company "SKOR-
PION".                                  
KANO: Andrey Isaev, simply Andrey Isaev.How much has the computer changed "SCORPI-
OH"from our last interview, a year
back? What are the advantages, talk about the disadvantages
we won't...                             
NW: At the moment, what we produce
dim probably hasn't changed much, but
what we are planning at the end of the year, I think
I think that's all..                          
KANO, (INTERRUPTION): Give examples of what
wow, what's planned!                     
NW: A board is planned, called "GMX".
It allows in one of its modes
fully emulate on computer
"SCORPIO" computer "PENTAPON". All not-
wealth, let's say...                 
KANO: Will they become a thing of the past?                  
NW: Yes, if you have this board, they will go away
blow into the past, i.e. there will be a regime in which
rum...                                  
KANO: 100% "PENTAPON".                  
NW: Yes, yes.                             
KANO: How is this achieved?     
NW: Due to the circuit design.         
KANO: I.e. just iron.               
NW: No... just... iron is iron, but
the iron is designed in such a way that circuit "PENTAPO-
NA" will be loaded from ROM as one
from possible schemes into the scheme "SCORPIO".  
KANO: Does it make sense? such a realization
tion "PENTAPONE" on "SCORPIO"?         
NW: It's not about whether it makes sense or not,
just there...                          
KANO (INTERRUPTION): Well, that is, you think
those that are profitable...                  
NW: Wait, wait, don't interrupt me.
KANO: Okay.NW (KINDLY):Well, I’ll answer, then you
you ask.                               
KANO: Uh-huh.                              
NW: It is implied that there is such a possibility
an opportunity that is great for the user
delivered absolutely free. We can-
We can load up to 8 schemes, one of which
ryh has the scheme  "PENTAPONE",  because
this computer is the most common
everyone...                                 
KANO: We decided this at the last Inlight. 
What else will be included in these 8 schemes?     
NW: And we don’t even know what will happen
enter. one of the schemes is memory expansion
ty "SCORPIO" up to 2 MB...               
KANO: Interrupting due to what?           
NW: ...graphics controller... How to
account of what? Due to memory.              
KANO: How many ports will this add?
NW: Two ports will be added.               
KANO. Fully addressing 512 KB?       
NW: Required with full addressing.    
again there will be an option to turn it off
all ports.                            
KANO: Disable is easier than done than 
turn on..                              
NW: Well, probably yes, although many test
are there problems with this... no, there will be
everything is done again...                 
Someone from the crowd interrupts Zonov...    
NW: ON/OFF... What is this?                  
                                        
RST7 appears                         
    (With beer, and not only).           
                                        
RST:Wait a minute... I'll get in.. (Zonov, you-
kaya). We are with you, with you... ugh,
motherfucker, you and I have already talked-
about jelly issues...              
NW: Perhaps I'm talking to everyone...
RST: I hope that all this... at least
expansion, this won’t happen... well... deshi-
faction, at least there...uh...that is...uh.
something D and so on, that is 7FFD and so on
more... I hope this won't happen.     
That is, the normal ports will simply be selected
new ones, they will be chosen professionally, well...
that the unit of the corresponding category...
they will... (pause).                  
NW: No. Here is a computer  "PENTAPON".
Do you like him? Or don't like it?  Ska-
let's go...                              
KANO: This is a rhetorical question!          
NW: This is a practical question.            
RST: Nope..                             
NW: Is there something that doesn’t suit you?  Or
Are you satisfied?                             
KANO: Suitable!                       
RST: Satisfied!                        
NW: So, as one ofopportunities
our computer, additional mod-
la, which connects to "SCORPIO" and
there will be a possibility of hardware emulation
his "SCORPIO".                       
RST (arrogantly): Yeah, yeah...             
NW: And everything else...                  
RST (INTERRUPTION): ...Inserted it into the port there
1FFD, when everything is keeling, yes, instantly
in detail?                                 
NW: Why does it “boil”? Just turns on
mode "PENTAPONE". The user who
this mode will turn on, he doesn’t even know what he has
him "SCORPIO"...                      
KANO: Thank God, thank God...         
NW: It forms a standard "PEN-
TAPON". Whoever needs it will use it
those who don't need to use it won't
use. We leave the choice free.
A person wants - heuses, doesn't want
- does not use.                        
KANO:  Estimated cost of your
new board?                            
NW: This is not a new board, this is a board that
paradise is inserted instead of the processor on any
I buy the board "SCORPIO".                  
KANO: What a new development this is,
Isn't this a new board?                      
NW: This is a completely new development.     
KANO: That's what I would say...          
NW: This is not a new board, this is an old one
the board is inserted instead of the processor...  
KANO:  Estimated cost of your
fees?                                  
NW: Approximate price of this board with
RAM 512 kb, as we plan today 35-
40 dollars.                            
KANO: What kind of RAM?                        
NW: RAM, for this price, probably 512 kb
we will fit. ARAM expands to 2
megabyte cost of 1 MB for expansion
will be 5 dollars.                       
KANO: Uh-huh.                              
NW: But again, these prices are approximate
new, I have no responsibility, big,
I can't bear for them...                 
KANO (INTERRUPTION): What other developments were
boots for this year?                      
NW: Wait, the RAM is expanded with SIMMs
megabyte...                         
KANO: It's high time!                       
NW: ...because it is convenient. now it's
cheap. In fact, of course, memory
on analogues of ru7-x, on imported ones, it
cheaper.                                
KANO: A performance?                 
NW: And performance with this is in no way
connected.                                
KANO: I see... What other boards will be available?
and why promised last year IDE-
controller not yet in every family?  
NW, STUMPED: I don't know why they
Not every family has it.                 
KANO: Apparently, this is because of your price.     
NW: The price is determined by what we can
do.                                
KANO: Maybe it is determined by demand?   
NW: No, why, if, for example,
It was our turn for this. We have         
there is no queue, we have everything. Price determined
is divided into a specific value.         
RST: No... You, your idea... your IDesh-
ny controller.. well.. contains
that: uh.. everything you need, and plus some-
then the microcircuit well.. here... That is, plm-
ku. Yes... that's right, right? What in general...
this is the most... don't fuck it!           
NW: Why?                             
RST: Ah... by definition.              
NW: Well, why, specifically!               
RST: Because any IDEA control
The ler simply contains bus buffers.
That's all. On the Spectrum it's a little bit...
But this... (pause).                      
NW:  So if...                 
RST:Listen to the end!  Don't do this... Uh-oh...
On.. on the Spectrum a little bit on... on-
more serious. That is... in connection with the 8-bit
tire, and since... uh... and so-a-k tire,
it's 16-bit... well... And naturally,
what is this. And it’s a little more serious there.  All.
You need it like this, right here, with this...
in front of people and so on, I say: Well.. need-
but so that three microchips, three ir23s...   
KANO: I agree!                       
RST: ... BB 55.. And.. It’s simple, const.
I'm stating the fact.  As a result, we have:
that's what Zonov does, it doesn't matter... well... and
these are... in general, the same ones, which means they are mik-
the circuit diagrams are actually worth it.. Well...
And as a result, more.. (arrogantly) oblige-a-
Indeed, it’s simply impossible without this, well,
definitely this bead...           
KANO: ...Large integrated circuit...  
RST: ...Well... which is simply not clear,
what the hell does it do... it’s not needed there!       
KANO:Censorship!                          
RST: I already said a long time ago that it’s unnecessary,
we'll cut this out...                        
NW: So you don't understand what she's doing-
et.                                     
KANO: Yes!                               
NW: If there were three chips, I
I think I would have had the controller a long time ago
many.                                 
RST: Correct.                         
NW: Since everything is so simple, why not
do?                                
RST: And because it... well, you need money
earn...                           
NW: So you want to say that we
we lay the bead just for the sake of
to make it more expensive...                   
RST: Yes.. yes... by definition...       
NW: Why then don’t we add more BISin
installed?RST: To make it easier, more...       
KANO: Now you will tell us,
Why didn’t you put more beads!
RST: Yes!                                
NW: Firstly, on three chips you
you can't make a single controller...       
RST (MISINGLY): Yes, yes, yes...           
KANO (OFFERING RST): Now wait, man
the century will tell...                        
NW: If it could be done, then
it would have already been made and released.   
KANO: What does your controller do?        
NW: It controls the hard drive, it controls
has independent memory, non-volatile
sima, he controls the clock...           
KANO (INTERRUPTION): What does energy-inefficient
hanging? When you turn off the computer,
Is there any wrinkle left?                          
NW: Yes. The contents of this memory, there are 2
kilobytes, it remains, saveseverything
settings, all hard drive parameters.    
KANO: Maybe a good cache?           
NW: This is not a cache, it is non-volatile
great memory.                           
                                        
 Here one comrade from
STILE GROUP (Captain), distinguished by
party is far from for the better (but
this is true, by the way).                      
CAPT: why doesn't it work with "GS"?  
NW: What? Screw? Is he really not
works with "GS"? We need to find out!         
                                        
Next comes a short dispute, work-
melts or does not work "GS" together with the con-
screw roller.                         
                                        
CAPT:  Why Spectrum is so good
car...                               
KANO: Of course!                            
CAPT: ...doesn't work with multiple devices
swarms?                              
                                        
Again, an argument turning into swearing...     
                                        
                                        
NW: What other questions do you have?             
KANO: There are a lot of questions...           
NW (IRONIC): The first question is to discuss
army "SCORPIO"... Well, I'll go away then,
you'll talk about it and then we'll talk.      
KANO: No, no. you need to shit like...
If you pose the question like this... I’ll put it this way
didn't install...                            
RST: You literally forced half of the
ka... uh...                             
NW: I didn’t force anyone.             
RST:The question is not for you...                
                                        
Again an incoherent debate about whether they produce
now "PENTAPONS". RST: Guys, just a second. Firstly.. (ZONE-
WU) First of all, you drive too much,
because literally an hour ago you said-
he said: “I’m for Zonov,” so...
so to speak...                      
NW: Who? Did I say?                     
RST: ... "I'm instead of Zonov!", now it's
it's called... uh...             
NW (QUIETLY, ABOUT MYSELF):I don’t understand anything... 
RST: It doesn't matter... that is... At the moment
the moment when they gathered... the elite gathered
went... once a year... finally... Guys-
By the way, I don't mean you...     
(RST7 weakly pointed his finger at the crowd
around users). This... this is not a joke! (Yes-
A slight squabble follows)... That's it,
made excuses. (ZONE): You said that
you're for Zonov, okay - you'll be all right now
listening, it's easy, simple...       
KANO:  How can he be for Zonov when-
is he Zonov himself?                   
NW: Well, never mind...                      
CAPT:By the way, this is Zonov!           
                                        
With RST7 there is an attack of hiccups....      
                                        
RST: Listen, is Zonov serious?          
NW (SMILING): Yes, I don’t know, probably 
seriously!                               
Everyone laughs.                            
RST: Then, as they say, we will know each other
- DIMA, RST.                            
NW: I know you.                        
The giggling continues all around.          
                                        
NW: What else will we discuss? Talk,
The person will soon run out of batteries.    
RST: We will discuss that.. A!.. Zonov,
so this is absolutely wonderful! We'll talk about
judge what you-s, specifically... (Next-
comments from the outside are blowing, what to poke
not good).                              
NW: Come on, speak your mind, push.   
RST: No, guys, wait...           
KANO: There are many of us, the iron worker is the only one
ny.                                    
RST: You just... uh... yes, you're out of money
you got them, you sold yours...           
KANO: Hurdy organ..                        
                                        
There is an abstract conversation going on...              
                                        
NW: What were we talking about?               
RST: Yes, we actually talked about
what uh... Why copy the circuit design?
technical solutions 7 years ago. For what?
NW: And I'm telling you that you are behind
life from the point of view of circuitry...    
RST: Oh-yes, oh-yes.                      
NW: Currently the circuitry is not built according to
the principle of connecting microcircuits,          
how, earlier, they took 40 buildings there,
80, but is built on the principle that it is taken
microcircuit, and what is written in it is determined
is shared either by the contents of the ROM, that is
the scheme itself! Or at the manufacturing stage
Programmable once...           
KANO:The chipset is called...              
NW: And this is how to make a computer cheaper,
than assembling by chips.            
RST: I don’t argue..., I don’t argue that PLMku
programming is cheaper, but... on the other hand
sides...                              
NW: It’s not the PLM that is programmed there,
again you don't...                          
RST:What a difference!                   
NW: Yes, a big difference!                 
RST: Do you have a lot of registers?
rovs that can be programmed,
uh, number of ticks in a line, wait,
don't wait, well, the number of lines doesn't matter
but...                                   
NW: No, not like that.  A specific one is drawn
diagram, and then this diagram... that's how we
got used to it: you want it, you drew it, you came up with it
diagram, took the diagram PENTAPONA and the computer
enters this scheme into ROM, and this one
pzushka - a small piece of the whole big one
ROMs. and when you turn on the computer this
the scheme is transferred... Eitherthis diagram
either another, or some other one, which one you are
if you want, you don’t like the seven-year-old
scheme, bring in a new scheme, we’ll come up with it
some other scheme, we will sew it there...
RST:I'm wondering...               
NW: You can come up with another layout...   
KANO: A software support?!         
                                        
Next comes the debate on the topic of absence
software.               
                                        
KANO: You will make all this hardware, and
no one will support!            
NW: And I don’t want any supernova
climb to do..                           
KANO: Why did you say that you can
emulate any computer of the future?  
NW: No, not the future, we said that in
We emulate ROM "PENTAPON".            
RST: Oooh, miracle!                     
NW: Simplemany people need "PENTAPON"
RST:You probably think that you are talking
you dare to say so no... well... like this
to say, not with professionals - electronic
shields. I'm interested in your phrase,
that "In ROM we emulate PENTAPON", 
What, the PZUshka costs as much as a piece of paper, right?     
NW: The usual ROM is worth a large volume
ma...                                   
RST:Where? Yes, the process has access to it
rubbish, wow, great. Fine. And this is...
what... well... emulation, how is it?
(IN THE DISTANCE)..Guys, don't smoke weed! OK?
(In the distance shouts: “Who smokes weed? Who
smokes?)                                 
RST:What are you doing? You probably think that
this... why are you talking to lamers here?
you know, who don’t understand...           
KANO (ADdressing the OPERATOR): This is a lyrical
logical digression, please cut it out!   
RST: Actually... Yes, cut it out,
by definition, it must be cut out, because
which, you know, is actually like:
Do you have some kind of software written down?
inROM, it doesn’t matter which, it means it can
do it, there uh.. in your car  "PENTA-
MON" there... everything, doing what he
writes to some ports. All. By definition
laziness. Uh...or maybe I don't understand...
I know what you mean.              
NW: Now I see that you don’t understand... 
RST:Okay...                          
NW: I'm trying to explain..               
RST: Okay, let's listen to you.            
NW: The ROM does not contain software for the process
ra who takes this software, programming
changes ports and changes some parameters there
meters. A set is written, let’s say, which
Dov, this is not a program, no, just code
first piece, 2 KB, 5 KB, depending on
volume of the circuit.                           
KANO. Who performs it and why?        
NW: Nobody does it...           
KANO: Why is it needed?..               
NW: Here is the coderewritten in micro
circuit, is simply transferred, and depending
from this code, this microcircuit is uni-
versal, becomes a computer "PEN-
TAPON",its main part, or else
some kind of computer, or some kind of vi-
deocontroller.                        
KANO: How to use programming
Some ROMs you can get "PENTAPON"?
NW: There are packages that
allow...                            
KANO: They don't allow it!                     
NW: Well, if we argue, let-
yes, or not, if we have done it...  
RST: Stop! Just a second. How can you re-
writing a ROM... I Understood... then
there is... this old idea is “ATM”, then
eat with a smile....                      
NW: No. This is all wrong...               
RST: WITH PLM, right?               
NW: No..                               
RST: Listen to me.  With PLMka, right-
right?  But instead of flashing there is RAM
(lists different RAM chips)?   
NW: I advise you if I couldn’t
explain, go to "SPRINTERS".
("SPRINTER"  - currently under development
work zx-compatible computer with all-
ma wide additional graphics
opportunities and a very vague future
- editor's note)                            
RST:Wait...                         
NW: They did exactly the same
Basically, the circuit is loaded from ROM..    
KANO: How is the circuit loaded from ROM, this
bullshit, we mean
a computer that has a processor,
RAM, ROM...                             
NW: Wait. I can’t load the RAM in any way.
from ROM, we have SIMM, processor,
there is a ROM, there are a couple of buffer chips.
Here is the entire circuit diagram of the computer. And this Bi-
There is a son. And into this bead it loads -
This is the computer circuit!  If you don't
you see, well, how can I explain to you,
neither the codes nor the program loads there -
xia, ahComputer schematic is loading!     
KANO: Delays? What does this code express?
Xia? that is, that this code is stored in itself -
yeah?                                     
NW: The circuit diagram is loading!
Now you can't understand this... 
RST: What exactly is that?! Directly
pial circuit, the computer itself is there
...my hands grow...and I run...by myself
begins to solder everything to himself, to spoil
everything is there... listen...                    
NW: Exactly so! It's all just you
told literally, but in fact
there is CAD... (Automated system
th design - approx. ed.)         
RST: Oh-yes, oh-yes...                      
NW: Are you listening to me, or I'll stop...
RST: YES.                                
NW (ALREADY C  INTERRUPTION):  Then come on
like this: I will speak, you will be silent,
and you will                             
speak, then I will be silent.         
RST:Okay..                           
NW: Are you agreed?                       
RST:Easy...                           
NW: First and last time.             
RST:Easy..                            
NW: There is a CAD system with which I draw
the circuit I want, then using this
CAD I receive the code, Skb, 8kb depending on
bridges from the scheme. and here is the code I wrote down -
I put it in ROM. And when I turn on the power
fee, this code is transferred to this BI-
Sinu. And here is the diagram that I drew -
shaft.. this bead begins to work in co-
in accordance with my scheme.               
KANO: Why such complexity?          
NW: A this is not complicated, it is modern
level of development. This level is cheaper
since I replace the board with such a bead, I
I get the opportunity to change the scheme if
I didn't like something. Here in "SPEED-
PIONE"why can’t we change anything?
thread? Because there is a fee, issued
in a huge circulation, but here I can change
ROM, I can send the user a
new ROM, and he will receive a new circuit! I can-
Guess just send a floppy disk. In the old va-
riants it was simply impossible.  Here
now such a level of development of circuit technology
nicknames                                   
RST: Okay, good. And now let's un-
just to say.. like this..           
NW: And how were we talking just now?      
RST: ... like a professional with a professional
scrap...                                  
NW: How did we talk before?    
RST:Where are you... where do you have this
PLMka, it doesn’t matter, RAM...               
NW: Here it is on the board "GMX".        
RST: That's not what I'm talking about. where is she standing?
circuit design? Or is it a secret?           
NW: No, it's not a secret. This is a ROM.  in
it also contains code for the processor,
i.e. TR-DOS, BASIC, shadow monitor, and in
free space contains just that
the area in which the scheme is specified.RST: That's it. wonderful. I'm not talking about that, where is she?
is it worth it? Between what and what?                 
NW: The processor has access to it...     
RST: No, that's not it... where is it?
Between, then, counters in the form of an address?
NW: Yes, there are no counters! You're up to
you still can’t understand, no account-
Chikov now does not exist in the form of mi-
croschem!!                               
RST: Oh-yes, oh-yes, I think I know this monster
up! Vv.. oo.. yes no, Zonov, you me    
I'm sorry, but in my opinion this is what you're talking about right now.
Rish...nude just-oh..                   
NW: Maybe I’m saying what you’re saying-
ry, but in fact I see that you
5 years behind modern circuit technology
nicknames                                   
RST: Oh yes, oh yes, the thing is that unfortunately
Leniya, you're behind...                   
NW: When I first saw this, I
I also thought that this was nonsense, but
when we did it, and it really is work -
no, then I now have a different attitude towards this
I'm talking.RST: I regard this matter as
you said how, well... You say,
that there are no counters there, nothing.  
NW: In the form of microcircuits..                  
RST: A!.. Are you smart?          
NW: What a trick!                
RST: WELL PLMka, what's the difference, custom
BEAD...                               
NW: Not custom, custom is BMK...    
RST: Great, what do you have?        
NW: There is such a company "ALTERA"  (company
ma, producing "cunning" beads, using
used in "GMX" - editor's note), I can
show me, I can ask you to  "SPRIN-
TEPAM"come, they have the same
type of microchip...                       
RST: Not about "SPRINTER", talk now
not about "SPRINTER"...                    
NW: So this chip is programmed
removable, logically integrated circuit...   
RST (INTERRUPTION): In short, guys, you
excuse me, I think there seems to be a professional here
national radio electronics engineer, but in my opinion
I get such a hard spanking that I don't want to
there's more here....                        
                                        
RST7 staggers away...            
                                        
After some arguing...           
                                        
NW: Well, are we done with the argument?         
KANO: We still have film, let's shoot!   
NW: What are we going to talk about?            
KANO: About everything...                       
NW: Come on, get started.                     
KANO: Well, what does it mean to start?  You are
considered a software solution to the problem
useful?                                
NW: No, that's not it, it's a different level
a little bit.  Now the scheme is being set
not by connecting the legs of microcircuits... here,
asked once, and then something
change, you need either jumpers or re-
Well, it’s very difficult to say. Change the fee.  A
The scheme is 95 percent determined by the content
we wash the ROM...                              
                                        
 And so on, S. Zonov for the one hundred and tenth time
tries to explain the principle of operation of the circuit
"GMX"...                                
                                        
 The rest of the conversation had to be bought
because the “sweet, friendly” be-
the debate escalated into an incoherent debate on
undefined topic. To honorNW,he is
I stepped away from this “flame” for a while.    
 In order not to irritate the reader with your nonsense,
ideas expressed by "elite" spektrumists
and not transport you to the heavenly zones of
discomfort, in general theses (for
just for fun, nothing more) let’s summarize the conversation:    
                                        
 We modulate a dead-end architecture.   
 8-bit architecture - no           
dead end only for those who have little cash
new funds.                            
 You need to switch to SPECTRUM.           
 Zonov is accused of illegal productioncomputer management "Scorpio", since
he does not have a license from Clive Sinclair
(presumably this accusation was spread
is distributed in all domestic pro-
for parents of zx-compatible machines - editor's note).
 Further, in all seriousness, Zonov was presented with
It is also possible to pirate the copy
that "Amiga-4000". To the answer that it is eco-
nomically disadvantageous, Kano enters
hysterical laughter.   Comes from Kano
proposal to place"Scorpio"Under the tire
PCI, as well as "develop all copyright
rights and give them to be stamped in China"
and immediately declares that the person who
developed "Scorpio" cannot do
something global...                    
                                        
 That's it. As they say, no comment
tariev. We talked, then, to the spectrum
mystics. and which of them are “elite” - re-
do it yourself.                             
                                        
EDITORIAL:                            
 It is likely that not all of you, dear
readers, "get the hang of the truth"
mu" of the above-described dialogue (or rather, three-
analogue), since the principle of "downloadable
circuits" is an absolute novelty in the design
vaniyaSpectrum-compatible machines and, on-
sure, unknown to the overwhelming pain-
to the majority of users (though “elite”
spektrumists are obliged to know this “by definition”
division" - we quote RST7, otherwise what
are they elite?). Therefore, there is an idea in detail
cover this issue on the pages on-
our journal at the level of principle, and not
specific product.                    
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