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irc.forestnet.org #mhm about demoparties - about russian parties

            irc.forestnet.org #mhm about demoparties

mhm 27 apr 2006
/Frog's quotation/
[16:22:01] <LordVader> Look at the results of the previous Chaos
Constructions, for example. There is a situation with some of
the works so that they can't be shown on big screen at all. We
showed then, and that influenced the festival worse than
possible cancellation of the compo.
[16:22:01] <LordVader> People (respected ones, just not sceners)
told us (at least to me) that showing works of 1993 quality
written for DOS is profanation of the festival.

mhm 02 jun 2006
[23:23:15] <LordVader> Why don't you ask: who needs messing
around with CC? I understand Exploder why he never stewed in
this crap. I mean, some CC-DiHalts are merely Russian drinking
parties
[23:23:15] <LordVader> with Russian mentality and low quality
works. There is fun at Breakpoint and a lot of Amiga people and
others. I know one must start changing from himself. But this
change isn't CC-DiHalts, blogs-shmogs etc. This mostly looks
like a swamp.
[23:23:17] <LordVader>
[23:23:32] <LordVader> written by certain omiga a.k.a. anny
a.k.a. kas1e
[23:24:12] <bolek> I feared that was you :)
[23:24:58] <LordVader> amiga.org.ru

mhm 03 jun 2006
[02:36:50] <LordVader> And more with succession of generations.
I don't want succession of ... pissed all over, and scener
imbeciles drawing on a drunk guy (I saw photos from DiHalt).
They could beat a bum, that would be scenerish for them.
[02:36:50] <LordVader> Because of that I think that Russian
scenes-demoscenes are darkness that should be avoided.
[02:36:50] <LordVader> Maybe I wrong but there's an opinion ..
...
[02:36:57] <LordVader> that's omiga from amiga.org.ru

mhm 06 jun 2007
[23:55:36] <fkO> There is oddity at CC, from Frog and Random.
The year before last: they removed a presenter. It seems they
understood that's wrong. Last year: show just dumb video. Again,
it seems Random understood that video is not enough. The
audience must merrily shout SUX, FAIL and be happy.

mhm 03 sep 2007
[03:24:40] <fkO> One more nuance. DiHalt in Nizhny Novgorod is
an event. In St.Petersburg this is just one more stupid concert
(sponsors react accordingly)
[03:25:39] <organism> That's the difference :) We make an Event,
not One More Stupid Concert :)
[03:26:05] <fkO> See: in 2006 the hall costed >200000, security
<50000, prizes >140000.
[03:26:22] <organism> Wasted money IMHO
[03:26:38] <organism> And the figures might be overpriced.
[03:27:11] <alone_co> Petersburg is at world's end.
[03:27:17] <fkO> Yes, there were charges for unneeded things
(not shown). Figures are true (if shown "more", it's in fact
more).
[03:27:18] <organism> People isn't much worried where is the
party.
[03:27:52] <organism> Capital city or Podunk.
[03:27:56] <fkO> People isn't worried, but the alternative is
cinema.

mhm 14 nov 2007
[01:35:19] <fkO> In fact CC7 failed. Because Spectrum organizers
couldn't self organize. Bfox was made a chief but he never
appeared. The rest - aGGreSSor doesn't know the volume of
troubles. Bfox already said he will never participate (maybe he
will thing twice?) That's impossible to force anybody. If there
will be CC8 - I can buy a number of Pentagons (is I have money)
and make them work some way. But where I can get ~6 displays
(>$1000)?
[01:38:04] <fkO> So nobody can organize ZX Spectrum at CC, no
works except Cyberpunks Unity, and no money. Cracking is fun of
course, but aGGreSSor targets for 15 year old boys so it's not
interesting to anybody, IMHO.
...
[01:41:10] <fkO> Maybe for crack scene. However I see crack
scene as HASP emulator, for example. Not as riddles in "young
hacker" style. What is needed is not "scene" but DefCon. People
could bring there their works and share the experience. I.e.
thematic seminars, for example. This is very specific and not
interesting for a layman. He (layman) even wouldn't understand
the point.
[01:41:48] <fkO> This way we could also speak of "embedded
scene". There is a future, of course. But for a demoparty
visitor, this is all impossible to understand.

mhm may 2008
[00:09:38] <Alone_Coder> 1. There must be more sceners than
laymen at a demoparty. 2. There must be good sound. 3.
Organizers must be sceners.
[00:10:44] <Alone_Coder> 4. They must listen to the audience.
[00:11:12] <Alone_Coder> 5. Prizegiving must be in time, because
people may hurry for a train.
[00:11:45] <Alone_Coder> 6. Sleeping place at partyplace.
...
[00:15:11] <Alone_Coder> Show winner works.
[00:15:25] <Alone_Coder> Record then at video when they are
shown for the first time, then replay at prizegiving.
[00:15:34] <Alone_Coder> To make it fast.
[00:17:13] <Alone_Coder> And the only FDD can't be at the only
Internet computer!
[00:17:42] <Alone_Coder> The last year we nearly missed 1st
place at TurboSound FM music because of this.

mhm 06 aug 2008
[01:42:09] <fkO> DiHalt is a demoparty. CC is a "computer
festival". Feel the difference.
[01:42:20] <fkO> I understand Frog as a colleague.
[01:43:55] <fkO> For demoparty, you need the same money, the
same troubles, but nobody (in Petersburg) will give money. Why
Nizhny Novgorod? Maybe georgaphical reasons.
[01:44:07] <fkO> And demoparties are for specific audience.
[01:44:36] <fkO> I like certain seminars, namely Sun's - maybe
thay are poor sponsors but they are not Microsoft.
[01:44:49] <fkO> And the cracking quest (abandoned by
aGGreSSor).

mhm 26 aug 2009
[11:18:19] <nq> If demoscenes will not be closed after CC, I'll
parcitipate again.
[11:19:15] <bfox> What you mean by closed?
[11:19:30] <nq> cancelled*
[11:19:39] <nq> quitted*
[11:19:44] <nq> etc
[11:19:57] <bfox> Well
[11:20:06] <bfox> You are not the first I hear this about CC
from.
[11:20:11] <nq> Even if so, I'll participate anyway )
[11:20:13] <bfox> *SCRATCH*
[11:20:32] <nq> What about CC?
[11:20:43] <bfox> No, I organize for the last time.
[11:20:47] <bfox> I decided.
[11:20:54] <nq> Ah (
[11:20:58] <bfox> Tired to death..
[11:21:10] <nq> So they will close or so.
[11:21:26] <nq> Well, there is still DiHalt.
[11:21:31] <bfox> I better engage in DiHalt the following year.
[11:21:37] <nq> And MMA.
[11:21:37] <bfox> Yes.
[11:21:39] <nq> :)
[11:24:15] <bfox> We talked with Vinnny after DH for long.. With
MAYhEM, JtN, etc..
[11:24:46] <bfox> Vinnny even thought about cancelling (
[11:24:50] <bfox> No responce at all.
[11:25:05] <bfox> I truly want to support him.
[11:25:13] <bfox> CC.. isn't a demoparty for a long time.
[11:25:23] <nq> European parties remained.
[11:25:29] <bfox> I think everyone understood that.
[11:26:23] <bfox> No, to hell with Europeans.
[11:26:45] <nq> Anyway, we need to meet somewhere.
[11:26:46] <bfox> For example, I want to make a work and see it
on screen. I think I'm not unique in this.
[11:27:02] <bfox> We need real party.. European parties are
virtual for us.
[11:27:04] <nq> I agree.
[11:27:50] <bfox> I think is we make sufficient accent at DH -
all the 31337 will go there )

mhm 3 sep 2009
[01:09:44] <alone> I want to persuade Vinnny to make DiHalt in
January.
[01:09:54] <deathsoft> Haha!
[01:10:04] <deathsoft> Who will go in Nizhny Novgorod in
frost???
[01:10:30] <screw> Especially after New Year.
[01:10:46] <screw> No money, and everybody is relaxed with
holidays.
[01:11:15] <alone> What frost at New Year?
[01:11:23] <alone> Snow is melting.
[01:11:26] <deathsoft> For example, -10 C.
[01:11:36] <alone> Maybe you have -10 at your North Pole.
[01:11:43] <screw> alone, everybody is indifferent to demos at
New Year.
[01:11:44] <deathsoft> Here is raining usually.
[01:11:54] <deathsoft> With green grass.
[01:12:00] <deathsoft> I don't know about Nizhny.
[01:12:00] <alone> All the more.
[01:12:17] <screw> deathsoft is joking =) Here is a strong wind,
snow, and very cold.
[01:12:21] <deathsoft> Anyway, not summer.
[01:12:40] <deathsoft> Frost is -15.
[01:12:46] <deathsoft> New Year is like 0.
[01:12:49] <deathsoft> Or even +5.
[01:12:55] <alone> Doesn't matter, +5 will go with beer.
[01:12:56] <screw> Estimate the placement. When everybody will
close in furcoats.
[01:13:03] <screw> Do you drink beer?
[01:13:06] <alone> No.
[01:13:09] <deathsoft> =))))
[01:13:13] <screw> So, +5 doesn't do =)))
[01:13:38] <alone> The bonus is no Assembly disturbing.
[01:13:51] <screw> Wow!
[01:13:55] <screw> Assembly is an idea.
[01:13:59] <screw> To go there with ATM-turbo.
[01:14:00] <deathsoft> =)))
[01:14:08] <alone> ATM-turbo is for DiHalt.
[01:14:13] <alone> Assembly is for UK-NC.
[01:14:15] <deathsoft> Yes - but with a good demo.
[01:14:19] <deathsoft> With Assembly level.
[01:14:32] <deathsoft> No DiHalt.
[01:14:38] <deathsoft> 18 hours trip.
[01:14:48] <deathsoft> Finland is just 6.
[01:14:55] <deathsoft> With troubles at custom-house.
[01:15:21] <alone> DiHalt is omegacool.
[01:15:29] <alone> Only 1337 sceners.
[01:15:31] <deathsoft> Yes, yes - one intro.
[01:15:31] <screw> Assembly is cooler than all CC and DiHalts
taken together, for all years.
[01:15:36] <alone> And no suckurity.
[01:15:38] <deathsoft> ...ing cool megaparty.
[01:16:00] <deathsoft> 20 guys at DiHalt in stuffy House of
Culture.
[01:16:07] <deathsoft> Under ...ing heat.
[01:16:16] <alone> It looks like the next CC will by boycotted
by PC sceners.
[01:16:29] <alone> fOx and BITL at least.

mhm 5 sep 2009
[21:33:05] <alone>  Shiru (19:34:01 5/09/2009)
[21:33:05] <alone> In winter, less people will jump out of the
hall at music compos.
[21:33:28] <alone> Vinnny said he can organize that.
[21:33:41] <alone> We just need people to agree with such date.

mhm 12 sep 2009
[01:12:17] <Alone_Coder> I wanted to persuade you that DiHalt in
January is most useful.
...
[01:13:28] <Alone_Coder> ^LordVader^: would you visit DiHalt in
January?
...
[01:13:42] <^LordVader^> I would, both DiHalt and ArtField.

mhm 17 sep 2009
[02:21:23] <Alone_Coder> Make sceners agree with January DiHalt.
[02:21:30] <LordVader> I already agree.
[02:21:34] <LordVader> 1st-11th of January is the thing.

mhm 24 sep 2009
[01:13:32] <screw> I asked Newart today about DiHalt in January.
He said that making winter parties in Russia is crazy.