irc.forestnet.org #mhm about demoparties mhm 27 apr 2006 /Frog's quotation/ [16:22:01] <LordVader> Look at the results of the previous Chaos Constructions, for example. There is a situation with some of the works so that they can't be shown on big screen at all. We showed then, and that influenced the festival worse than possible cancellation of the compo. [16:22:01] <LordVader> People (respected ones, just not sceners) told us (at least to me) that showing works of 1993 quality written for DOS is profanation of the festival. mhm 02 jun 2006 [23:23:15] <LordVader> Why don't you ask: who needs messing around with CC? I understand Exploder why he never stewed in this crap. I mean, some CC-DiHalts are merely Russian drinking parties [23:23:15] <LordVader> with Russian mentality and low quality works. There is fun at Breakpoint and a lot of Amiga people and others. I know one must start changing from himself. But this change isn't CC-DiHalts, blogs-shmogs etc. This mostly looks like a swamp. [23:23:17] <LordVader> [23:23:32] <LordVader> written by certain omiga a.k.a. anny a.k.a. kas1e [23:24:12] <bolek> I feared that was you :) [23:24:58] <LordVader> amiga.org.ru mhm 03 jun 2006 [02:36:50] <LordVader> And more with succession of generations. I don't want succession of ... pissed all over, and scener imbeciles drawing on a drunk guy (I saw photos from DiHalt). They could beat a bum, that would be scenerish for them. [02:36:50] <LordVader> Because of that I think that Russian scenes-demoscenes are darkness that should be avoided. [02:36:50] <LordVader> Maybe I wrong but there's an opinion .. ... [02:36:57] <LordVader> that's omiga from amiga.org.ru mhm 06 jun 2007 [23:55:36] <fkO> There is oddity at CC, from Frog and Random. The year before last: they removed a presenter. It seems they understood that's wrong. Last year: show just dumb video. Again, it seems Random understood that video is not enough. The audience must merrily shout SUX, FAIL and be happy. mhm 03 sep 2007 [03:24:40] <fkO> One more nuance. DiHalt in Nizhny Novgorod is an event. In St.Petersburg this is just one more stupid concert (sponsors react accordingly) [03:25:39] <organism> That's the difference :) We make an Event, not One More Stupid Concert :) [03:26:05] <fkO> See: in 2006 the hall costed >200000, security <50000, prizes >140000. [03:26:22] <organism> Wasted money IMHO [03:26:38] <organism> And the figures might be overpriced. [03:27:11] <alone_co> Petersburg is at world's end. [03:27:17] <fkO> Yes, there were charges for unneeded things (not shown). Figures are true (if shown "more", it's in fact more). [03:27:18] <organism> People isn't much worried where is the party. [03:27:52] <organism> Capital city or Podunk. [03:27:56] <fkO> People isn't worried, but the alternative is cinema. mhm 14 nov 2007 [01:35:19] <fkO> In fact CC7 failed. Because Spectrum organizers couldn't self organize. Bfox was made a chief but he never appeared. The rest - aGGreSSor doesn't know the volume of troubles. Bfox already said he will never participate (maybe he will thing twice?) That's impossible to force anybody. If there will be CC8 - I can buy a number of Pentagons (is I have money) and make them work some way. But where I can get ~6 displays (>$1000)? [01:38:04] <fkO> So nobody can organize ZX Spectrum at CC, no works except Cyberpunks Unity, and no money. Cracking is fun of course, but aGGreSSor targets for 15 year old boys so it's not interesting to anybody, IMHO. ... [01:41:10] <fkO> Maybe for crack scene. However I see crack scene as HASP emulator, for example. Not as riddles in "young hacker" style. What is needed is not "scene" but DefCon. People could bring there their works and share the experience. I.e. thematic seminars, for example. This is very specific and not interesting for a layman. He (layman) even wouldn't understand the point. [01:41:48] <fkO> This way we could also speak of "embedded scene". There is a future, of course. But for a demoparty visitor, this is all impossible to understand. mhm may 2008 [00:09:38] <Alone_Coder> 1. There must be more sceners than laymen at a demoparty. 2. There must be good sound. 3. Organizers must be sceners. [00:10:44] <Alone_Coder> 4. They must listen to the audience. [00:11:12] <Alone_Coder> 5. Prizegiving must be in time, because people may hurry for a train. [00:11:45] <Alone_Coder> 6. Sleeping place at partyplace. ... [00:15:11] <Alone_Coder> Show winner works. [00:15:25] <Alone_Coder> Record then at video when they are shown for the first time, then replay at prizegiving. [00:15:34] <Alone_Coder> To make it fast. [00:17:13] <Alone_Coder> And the only FDD can't be at the only Internet computer! [00:17:42] <Alone_Coder> The last year we nearly missed 1st place at TurboSound FM music because of this. mhm 06 aug 2008 [01:42:09] <fkO> DiHalt is a demoparty. CC is a "computer festival". Feel the difference. [01:42:20] <fkO> I understand Frog as a colleague. [01:43:55] <fkO> For demoparty, you need the same money, the same troubles, but nobody (in Petersburg) will give money. Why Nizhny Novgorod? Maybe georgaphical reasons. [01:44:07] <fkO> And demoparties are for specific audience. [01:44:36] <fkO> I like certain seminars, namely Sun's - maybe thay are poor sponsors but they are not Microsoft. [01:44:49] <fkO> And the cracking quest (abandoned by aGGreSSor). mhm 26 aug 2009 [11:18:19] <nq> If demoscenes will not be closed after CC, I'll parcitipate again. [11:19:15] <bfox> What you mean by closed? [11:19:30] <nq> cancelled* [11:19:39] <nq> quitted* [11:19:44] <nq> etc [11:19:57] <bfox> Well [11:20:06] <bfox> You are not the first I hear this about CC from. [11:20:11] <nq> Even if so, I'll participate anyway ) [11:20:13] <bfox> *SCRATCH* [11:20:32] <nq> What about CC? [11:20:43] <bfox> No, I organize for the last time. [11:20:47] <bfox> I decided. [11:20:54] <nq> Ah ( [11:20:58] <bfox> Tired to death.. [11:21:10] <nq> So they will close or so. [11:21:26] <nq> Well, there is still DiHalt. [11:21:31] <bfox> I better engage in DiHalt the following year. [11:21:37] <nq> And MMA. [11:21:37] <bfox> Yes. [11:21:39] <nq> :) [11:24:15] <bfox> We talked with Vinnny after DH for long.. With MAYhEM, JtN, etc.. [11:24:46] <bfox> Vinnny even thought about cancelling ( [11:24:50] <bfox> No responce at all. [11:25:05] <bfox> I truly want to support him. [11:25:13] <bfox> CC.. isn't a demoparty for a long time. [11:25:23] <nq> European parties remained. [11:25:29] <bfox> I think everyone understood that. [11:26:23] <bfox> No, to hell with Europeans. [11:26:45] <nq> Anyway, we need to meet somewhere. [11:26:46] <bfox> For example, I want to make a work and see it on screen. I think I'm not unique in this. [11:27:02] <bfox> We need real party.. European parties are virtual for us. [11:27:04] <nq> I agree. [11:27:50] <bfox> I think is we make sufficient accent at DH - all the 31337 will go there ) mhm 3 sep 2009 [01:09:44] <alone> I want to persuade Vinnny to make DiHalt in January. [01:09:54] <deathsoft> Haha! [01:10:04] <deathsoft> Who will go in Nizhny Novgorod in frost??? [01:10:30] <screw> Especially after New Year. [01:10:46] <screw> No money, and everybody is relaxed with holidays. [01:11:15] <alone> What frost at New Year? [01:11:23] <alone> Snow is melting. [01:11:26] <deathsoft> For example, -10 C. [01:11:36] <alone> Maybe you have -10 at your North Pole. [01:11:43] <screw> alone, everybody is indifferent to demos at New Year. [01:11:44] <deathsoft> Here is raining usually. [01:11:54] <deathsoft> With green grass. [01:12:00] <deathsoft> I don't know about Nizhny. [01:12:00] <alone> All the more. [01:12:17] <screw> deathsoft is joking =) Here is a strong wind, snow, and very cold. [01:12:21] <deathsoft> Anyway, not summer. [01:12:40] <deathsoft> Frost is -15. [01:12:46] <deathsoft> New Year is like 0. [01:12:49] <deathsoft> Or even +5. [01:12:55] <alone> Doesn't matter, +5 will go with beer. [01:12:56] <screw> Estimate the placement. When everybody will close in furcoats. [01:13:03] <screw> Do you drink beer? [01:13:06] <alone> No. [01:13:09] <deathsoft> =)))) [01:13:13] <screw> So, +5 doesn't do =))) [01:13:38] <alone> The bonus is no Assembly disturbing. [01:13:51] <screw> Wow! [01:13:55] <screw> Assembly is an idea. [01:13:59] <screw> To go there with ATM-turbo. [01:14:00] <deathsoft> =))) [01:14:08] <alone> ATM-turbo is for DiHalt. [01:14:13] <alone> Assembly is for UK-NC. [01:14:15] <deathsoft> Yes - but with a good demo. [01:14:19] <deathsoft> With Assembly level. [01:14:32] <deathsoft> No DiHalt. [01:14:38] <deathsoft> 18 hours trip. [01:14:48] <deathsoft> Finland is just 6. [01:14:55] <deathsoft> With troubles at custom-house. [01:15:21] <alone> DiHalt is omegacool. [01:15:29] <alone> Only 1337 sceners. [01:15:31] <deathsoft> Yes, yes - one intro. [01:15:31] <screw> Assembly is cooler than all CC and DiHalts taken together, for all years. [01:15:36] <alone> And no suckurity. [01:15:38] <deathsoft> ...ing cool megaparty. [01:16:00] <deathsoft> 20 guys at DiHalt in stuffy House of Culture. [01:16:07] <deathsoft> Under ...ing heat. [01:16:16] <alone> It looks like the next CC will by boycotted by PC sceners. [01:16:29] <alone> fOx and BITL at least. mhm 5 sep 2009 [21:33:05] <alone> Shiru (19:34:01 5/09/2009) [21:33:05] <alone> In winter, less people will jump out of the hall at music compos. [21:33:28] <alone> Vinnny said he can organize that. [21:33:41] <alone> We just need people to agree with such date. mhm 12 sep 2009 [01:12:17] <Alone_Coder> I wanted to persuade you that DiHalt in January is most useful. ... [01:13:28] <Alone_Coder> ^LordVader^: would you visit DiHalt in January? ... [01:13:42] <^LordVader^> I would, both DiHalt and ArtField. mhm 17 sep 2009 [02:21:23] <Alone_Coder> Make sceners agree with January DiHalt. [02:21:30] <LordVader> I already agree. [02:21:34] <LordVader> 1st-11th of January is the thing. mhm 24 sep 2009 [01:13:32] <screw> I asked Newart today about DiHalt in January. He said that making winter parties in Russia is crazy.