ZX-News #37 15 июля 1997

ZXNet

Discussion - The network has ruined the Spectrum?

               DISCUSSION



                         (C) Yuri Buravtsov

                              812/01.14


                DISCUSSION:

         "On the Modem and not only"


  Once, not so long ago, I sent a letter to my one old friend -
Dmitry nimble. The letter then stated
how can adversely affect
the fate of the Speccy development of various kinds
computer networks and network equipment. Fears of the author's 
letters were in no small extent caused by future then (and now

already occurred) went on sale XTR-Modem.


  Well, you, the readers, of course, remember
I directly into the twenty-ninth edition
ZxNews replied to this letter. After
This network SpbZxNet not abated disputes
how is this relevant issue,
what are the real reasons for leaving Speccy
from the circle of the most preferred domestic
computers. Yes, these debates and discussions before
has not yet died down, the more that Dmitry
Vertkov tried again to prove the inevitability of death 
Spectrum, already thirty fourth edition ZxNews.



  And so, the editors received another
letter. Its author modestly calls himself
"DIMON'om. Letter is clearly designed to
publication in next issue ZxNews, and
In general, all the lovers and patriots of their
network, the author is in favor of his
beloved ZX Spectrum.


  I will try to respond to this letter, but
do so, as is usually accepted to do with the letters in the 
network. Letter quote in full, without abbreviations.


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 D> Recently (07/09/1997) I go to the LOGROS,
 D> stood and stared ... Here comes the PA D> root, begins to 
something there razgovari D> vat with Misha. Eventually the 
conversation turned  D> on the web in general and modems in 
particular.  D> Misha began pushing it about how to model D> ZX 
demos ruined in Moscow, as Nehor D> Chiyah SysOp'y placed at 
stations AB D> Tor prog, etc. etc.  D> I'm sorry, but I did 
about the death of  D> Spectrum in Moscow have not heard (I'm

 D> are not muffled like). And do not know how it


  Indeed, not deaf, I see ... :)

  You know, DIMON, all this speculation, which
someone's hand. That's just - to whom? ..

 D> in the capital, but we have a network I have no
 D> bend one author has not seen, if


  In vain. There was once such a program. But
The next day she had disappeared from all
BBS - was asked and removed. Nothing wrong if not, just a 
misunderstanding. And now, when the network operates charter, 
few dare to throw a network of commercial projects. Besides not

every normal person who spent
money to purchase the license floppy disk, want to break the 
program and throw it into the net. Well, after all, if it 
occurred, or the program has appeared at this person in another 
way, in case of attempts extend the program across the network 
this citizen will be punished by disconnection from the network 
(in my opinion, this is too severe punishment for the person to 
whom the network - is and the sun and air and water. Although, 
in Actually, we have: we must respect all

people, and programmers - most notably,
other than mail, and oh, we would be nothing more
the network is not seen).

 D> only NU POGODI (she still razrabotochka


  Well, this is not a commercial project,
likely that in near future
expected from the same author ...

 D>:). How can a network of ruin
 D> platform? In my opinion, only if all
 D> Encoders together zasyadut for modem and ne

  And here you are not quite right: the encoder
Polls from time to time, sit down
for the modem but nothing else and can not be! Where, as
not on a network, you can see, but what, in fact, people would 
want to see? What new projects and what new effects, etc.? From

That was why, imho, bend, and spelling, and written
as, perhaps, have never been written.

 D> restanut writing program - NO ONE order of D> shrinkage 
SYSOP not be put to their station  D> PROGRAM AUTHOR! 
Especially because all 


  But you have to be honest. All of us
not without sin, all we ever wanted to indulge the smallness of 
the game "What is a" good "and what is" bad "and what from the 
consequences of this ... But people have such "lists of moral 
standards." Called they are in different ways: some is calling 
Charter some - Act. But the essence is: broken - the answer ... 
Law - is the Law. How be strict, he was not. A network of, say, 
- hierarchical structure is the most democratic on earth. After 
all, the network no aggression. As soon as the echo hissed at 
you, the moderator, for example, you're right - molchok ... And 
lay low until better times. No one to get You are not going to.



  And there are really decent sysops, imho, into our grid, most 
... 

 D> recent projects go to nehily
 D> protected (in, neigh Hacker:) and occupy D> mayut the 
entire disk. Who saw the UFO-2 ka D> Coy anything BBS? 


  By the way, here you are also not quite right.
UFO-2 is not quite the whole disk, or
that would be more precise, not the entire disk. A
on the BBS it has not been seen, it is because
that, first, about 2000 sectors it
holds, and therefore not every sysop dare put it: how much time 
it it will crawl over the phone cord

line? And on a floppy disk hurt a lot of space
takes, and extra drives are known to
does not happen ... Here, buy yourself the "Winchester"
open BBS, then maybe, and I will ... A
secondly, as a not very decent to distribute crack, the more 
that is not always they repeat the quality of the author's copy,

thereby discredit this author
in the eyes of retailers and diskettes,
Of course, a huge army of playing
computer game ...

 D> Next: According to Misha turns out that
 D> one game will swing 15 - 20 mi D> chickpeas. I pinpoint: 
the average (in 2400) -  D> 5 minutes. More Mike said something 
about 


  Please note that not all work with
BBS goes well for 1800, rather than something that would
2400. I - that a living example: having the XTR-modem I can not 
work with one of the stations at a speed higher than 600 baud. C

others, of course, much better than
earlier on Vicomm'ke ... And then, by the way,
UFO-2 in 1976, the sectoral variant at 2400 baud is about 30 
minutes (I pinpoint), that is, not every program will be walk 5 
minutes. Although ... in my estimation, Your program took about 
330-350 sectors, toys and so much love take ...



  Well, even if five minutes, what of
this goes? I did not understand something ...

 D> metering of talk time
 D> on the TCP. In my opinion, some (mis D> minimum is!) Years, 
we still have, and for this  D> time, you can download 
everything you can  D> download (as a bent and !?!).



  Ah! Understand the part about the speed ...


  Do not flatter, DIMON. By the time
come out even more ambitious projects that you download, 
no-pumped! But What about phones: here in my Kolpino an old 
station clean - 484, and on its input place of 469. Understand 
because it is electronic station, there touchtone

implemented, etc. So, in the newspapers wrote that the PTC will 
introduce time-based payments gradually, with the commissioning 
of new PBX, so that they pay off.



  Only here with this 469 "number is not passed."
I do not know why, but until a time-based
wait ... Do you know how many employees TCP shares? And what of 
their exchange price? And how much revenue they bring these

shares (the source of the information itself works in TCP)? So, 
all this is because PTS - a monopolist can dictate its terms to 
anyone. And what would you do? Telephone - it is now the 
subject of appropriate if you ask someone if they have

his phone and he said no, what
chevstvo you overwhelmed at this point?
Pity? Surprised? Or maybe both of these feelings?


  Incidentally, in Moscow subscription fee of telephone 
services in exactly two times lower than in St. Petersburg. And 
this should accept it, because Moscow - the capital of our 
Homeland, she somewhat different status than all other Russian 
cities. Therefore, there and more money, and, accordingly, the 
standard of living higher. 


  Although, of course, hurt ...

 D> But you know what you get kicks
 D> on how to get through first
 D> BBS, and you start talking to quite


  What's the truth. Call pleasant. But there is something to 
hang on ... 

 D> stranger, as if with children D> garden with him? " Or it's 
nice for D> obtain an answer to my letter, after  D> sixteen 
years of not knowing what  D> mail? And most importantly, all 
this without NAM D> ryaga (chasing envelope will defile D> 
magician mother because of the wrong brands  D> tremble, 
because the chance that a letter  D> comes catastrophically 
low) and the rate D> the rate of transmission, as a rule - one  
D> per day (although, sometimes even longer: (. And with  D> 
clearance soaps are no problems - it is necessary  D> just get 
used to it, in the regular mail that D> is the same standards. 


  Correctly. We are already beginning to slowly
forget the main purpose of the network and BBS -
electronic bulletin boards. We are beginning to
think that the network - this means of distribution of programs 
among the masses of different people, whereas it is only one of 
the side branches. Now I just can not imagine how

it is possible - with no one to communicate via a 
network-mails? When I handed over the session, I comes at a 
time "to block his oxygen - that is, at the time leave the 
network, because network - a very time-consuming exercise, but

with the session time is not worth ...


  Now, when I ring up all the stations
(Not yet closed) in search of letters, I have several times, it 
happens, I call on same station, if you do not find it on

these letters ... Or maybe someone will take
Yes, and will throw pismishko?

 D> For me, IMHO, it is important not so much
 D> prog rock (though I've got bore D> How many of those who 
have long wanted, but  D> did not buy because everyone else

 D> disk space clogged with trash), but


  You see? Who will buy?

 D> just communicate with spektrumistom,
 D> "blood brothers":). Very much in buzz,
 D> when you sit behind a computer in three hours but D> chi, 
and you know that at the other end of D> kind (in the house 
next door) sitting people and then D> pours the same texts in 
the terminal ... Can 


  Again, not quite agree with you.
Yet not much of a buzz in when you dozvanivaeshsya to the 
station, and there - busy. Then finally released, you walk, and 
sysop immediately arises: "But we are here to Vas'ey Pupkin'ym 
schA boltatli in the term two and a half hours! "And I called 
for letters ... And it turns out that, indeed, call

two hours, and, dial-up, working on a BBS
just a minute or two ... : (((


  Yes, indeed, is now in vogue include
protracted terminal conversation. I am not a supporter of such 
interviews. Want to get worn out - offered to drop the pipe ... 
And sometimes you want stop talking, but not obtained:

wound up sysop. And "Shut up!" he did not say ... :)

 D> just take the pipe, and talk of D> Much faster, but 
consider this: what  D> conversation with a stranger?



  Here I am about that: what to talk to
him in the terminal?

 D> Just in the terminal there is always time
 D> ponder each word, the next question D> grew up, search the 
right prog ... 


  Agreed. As one philosopher, not
I remember already - who "talk - it's improvisation, writing 
the same - always a masterpiece." It why men love the ladies to 
write love notes, and the ladies love to receive them ... 


  But it is not better if The letter sysop
to talk to than in the terminal? Indeed, over
letter can be more in-depth thinking,
than over a partially transmitted symbol
words of the terminal presentation?

 D> DIMON


  Regards, Yuri.

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  Here is the mood here ...


  I think that many points raised in this
Article forced to think of all the facts,
who more or less involved in the computer
networks. E-mail your comments, suggestions, comments and 
objections to me SpbZxNet at: 


         812/01.14 @ Yuri Burawtsow