Interview - a detailed history of the Triumph group.

  
            
                      
            
            
            
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Brief introduction: this article is an `information-cognitive
telny` and it is advisable that EVERYONE read it, because in the 6th
DeJa-Vu had a very daring attack on Triumph (one might say
Chelyabinsk, because  Triumph is essentially Chelyabinsk).
Moreover, it was written by a lamer of lamers, whom no one respects
one Triumphant. We put up with him for a long time, but after this...       
                                          
A little information: for better understanding and brevity,
here by `Rovers` we mean: Ice`Di Griz (that’s what he is
RoverSoft) and Blade (who left RoverSoft a long time ago).How it all began.                       
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    It all started with us (Wocen, Twister and me - Vader)
met Ironman and part of the Omega Hackers Club. I'm writing
this is all so that everyone can REALLY and INDEPENDENTLY, without
someone else's "help", assess the current situation. So, after
dating, we were overjoyed, well, we met
with the legends of our city that we have only heard of and
we admired their work. Everyone could not believe that now our works
will be appreciated by such `monsters` Speccy! We were invited to
party, which brought together almost all of Omega. Our active debate
I realized that something in this once large and powerful team was not
then.  The main question was being resolved: how to make Omega again
worked at full capacity.  But, unfortunately, nothing
nothing specific was decided. We successfully passed the `exams` (we
gently asked to write one procedure, which they supposedly
there was no time to write). But after a while Omega fell apart
Finally, only groups and individuals remained from it:
USDF, ROVERSOFT, PUUGEUCY, BLADE, CLEVERS, TIT2... Morewere
events that, in my opinion, have no bearing on this issue
relationships.                                                      
                                          
                      First acquaintance.                        
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    Time flowed calmly, Chelyabinsk programmers at least
wrote programs, artists painted, musicians wrote music,
until one “beautiful” day SOMETHING appeared (you, dear
editor DEJA VU, it was called SOMEONE, and in our case - SOMETHING). stood
we are at our radio market, at our sales point, as always
almost everyone related to Speccy and discussed current problems,
like how to rewrite a procedure so that it works faster and
etc.  This SOMETHING came up, weighing at least 160-170 kilograms,
in the same volume, and after a short introduction, like
`hello`, the beginning of a major attack on everything is already deep
established morals.  At first a phrase was thrown out like: “STS v
I.I - SUX & MUST DIE" in the style of "I'm very smart." We are from this
statements almost left me speechless. STS has long been recognized
as the BEST monitor-debugger both in terms of convenience and
opportunities.  And here it isstatement! To the question "What do you think
RULEZ???", SOMETHING proudly replied: "SHADOW MOUITOR!!!". Except
wild laughter and sympathy (for some), this statement is nothing
didn't cause it.  But there was nothing to support the rotten bazaar. What he
flashed into ROM - this is its only advantage over STS. But
further - more.  There was another attack: “All your Profi together
those taken are not worth one of my Scorps!!!". Again, we've been around for a long time
We were convinced in practice that it is more convenient and better in terms of capabilities than
Profi 3+, Spectrum does not exist. Doubts have crept into us
about mental health this is SOMETHING, because either he is rich
paranoid, or one of the two, because a normal person
there will be no doubt about the choice, at least the price (this was in June
97th): 1,600,000 - how much he spent on his Scorpion in
fully armed (at a time when there was no GMX yet) against
300,000 - cost of Profi 3+ and about 200,000 cost of Pentagon
128! I in no way want to offend Scorpion owners,
this is just the personal opinion of our spektrumists (and users in that
including) that Profi - rulez. After all this it was stated that
by the end of August (3 months) he will write a game like `Star
Heritage`, and the program and graphics will be exclusively his! B
For some reason we didn’t believe this fact, and, by the way, for good reason. How
it turned out to be just SOMETHINGstarted learning assembler and
idolized Basic, and his only program was
file shell (naturally in BASIC), which processed
disk for several minutes (the more files, the more minutes). Well
how?  This is “cool”, how can we lamers care about it? Then he
went to Rovers, mind you - for fresh software (to this I
I'll be back), but once again he had a fight, apparently he didn't care
liked the inconsistency of the Rovers with his high moral
status, and he left without a slurp. A few months later
(naturally, we didn’t wait for “Star Legacy #2”), SOMETHING
began to ask to be accepted into some group,
sincerely believing that this is even possible after his behavior,
the essence of which was expressed in one phrase: “I’m cool, and you all are
lames and assholes,” she was pouring pearls out of him. Lord (X-Rayzor) and
Ironman (there were others, but they are less known) him, softly
to put it simply, they were sent away and, not finding shelter, SOMETHING in
once again it left everyone behind and safely disappeared from the horizon
Speccy.  But, as it turned out, this was just the beginning. About him already
everyone began to forget, as if about a bad dream, when suddenly they crawled
rumors that he put together a group (of two people, including
him) and makes the THIRD computer magazine in Chelyabinsk! This fact
I was alarmed... is it really Basic??? Howturned out to be half in
codes (naturally, the sign for IM2 was not created and for some reason
the end of the text was not determined), and with attacks like: “what
why the hell, you lamers put 20 LDI instead of one LDIR???",
Apparently he learned to hack during his absence from
radio market.  Finally he finished his brainchild, came to the market,
distributed copies to everyone, and the envelopes from the CDs were
signed - who exactly is entitled to this copy, God forbid
let's mix it up! He distributed it on Saturday, promising to come the next day
for reviews, but didn’t come, and by the way, he did the right thing. Not
I know what he slipped to the others (someone else’s copy, which he
asked me to tell you that it was kept intact - after all
stranger!, and an inner voice suggested - what if there’s still
worse?!), but judging by the reviews it’s about the same as me, but I’m in
this day I couldn’t get to the computer at all for about half an hour
After watching it I sat in shock, I still couldn’t believe what it was
can be done at all! What a blessing that this 'masterpiece' is not
spread throughout the country, otherwise there would be immeasurable shame for the whole
city, after which people would say: “And this toy is from where
was that magazine made?!, then it’s clear. No, no, I don't need it
show, I already imagine..." I don’t embellish anything and
I don’t “relish” it, but if it appears in your citylike ours
NOTHING, then you will understand what it is like.                               
    I think it's time to take off the mask. SOMETHING, aka Mazyrko Boris,
aka gam Saboteur, aka... well, that’s a little later.                
    After the "release" of his "masterpiece" he called me among
weeks and said that he was afraid to come to the market, saying it was my fault,
comrades, I'm sorry, forgive me, I won't do this again,
I’ll improve and if not completely, then at least I’ll become much smaller
something that was.  I am not an evil person and I am gullible, I almost believe
everything, and took the bait.  I thought the guy wanted
to improve, asks for advice on how to continue to live in the city, where, in his opinion,
According to him, no one respects him or takes him seriously. Our conversation
lasted more than an hour, there was a lot of advice, ways out
the current crisis was discussed even more, and I
conscience began to believe that he would become good. Even became everyone
convince him that he is now in the process of being corrected, don’t interfere
a person, he will become good. He even came and convinced everyone
the same thing, he put beer for everyone and wanted to seem good to everyone and
correcting, although it has long been a known fact that the hunchback
Only the grave will fix it. But no one believed me or him, and I
Once again I realized that I need to correct myself and eradicate
gullibility in nature. A few months latermore
SOMETHING (even SOMETHING :), has appeared on the market again.  Now he
swung at the most sacred thing: AMUГY! Walked and screamed under everyone
angle that PC - RULEZ, and AMMY - can only move the mouse.
How, when struggling, do you recognize your words, huh? Although you will once again
brush it off and say that this never happened, and someone
trying to 'discredit' you.                               
    Further, after the next collision, he again disappears for a while and
appears in a new guise, so meet: ALLEU! with new ones
ideas and trying to forget the old. Although I still have a personal grudge
did not pass (from the statement that the guitar is played only
idiots, and he has no intention of becoming one), but my
gullibility made itself felt again, and this time I hid it
even deeper.   He walked and pestered me (that I told him so
`liked`?), please tell me what you think,
must have the functions of a graphic editor, and with output to
printing (of course in Scorpion's printer port) pictures
size, limited only by the size of a particular printer. No, yes,
I think the boy has grown up (in fact he has become even bigger), the more
Moreover, I once had the same idea, but did not become it
engage in, concluding that Speccy needs new ones more
games, not systems, but I told him all my ideas on this matter.He, overjoyed, disappears again. After a certain time, he
appears with a disk in his hands and gives it to me. To the question "What
this???"  At first it broke, but then he replied that it was his new one
development (probably tired of developing the old one) -
MULTI-TASKING on Speccy!  I smiled, but took "check it out."
Now his work has had a completely different effect on me.
effect: when I saw THIS, I almost fell out of my chair laughing.
Imagine: each IUT processor is busy with different things: first
plays music, then draws an arrow, and then (exactly in this
sequence) prints the text. I was absolutely sure that
playing music through two ints and arrow operations, again
after two ints, they won’t add any coolness to the program, and I’m in
I became even more convinced of this.  Because the arrow was printed first, a
then there was text on top of it, in addition to flashing effects there were a lot
glitches when moving the arrow. After varying amounts of time,
IT froze and reset, apparently my computer couldn't either
bear it calmly. This has had an effect on all the rest of us
about the same effect, but he did not let up, proving that this
just the beginning (yes, I can imagine what will happen next, although no,
this is impossible to imagine...), and I even liked THIS
to someone!                                                        
    Hisat first calmly, then they asked more and more insistently
"disappear" at least from the face of the radio market and not spoil everyone
mood and not to waste anyone’s nerves, but he didn’t give in
In response to these persuasion, on the contrary, he began to regularly visit our market.
Then he disappeared again, and as it turned out, he went to ART COMP in
Kurgan, where apparently the Kurgan residents were very well brainwashed about
TRIUMPH vs ALLEU (RAM SABOTEUR), although he denied everything, claiming
that they only talked about Speccy, and not even Profi
touched. U this is where our LARGE-SCALE and INTERCITY began
problems because of him.                                            
    For example, he started rumors that Flash is strong on all of us
he was offended and no longer wants to correspond with us. Naturally
it was just another run...                                     
    All this was written so that you understand WHO wrote
such an article.                                                   
Editor's note>  In order to give even more weight to Vader's words, I will say,
that we (Flash) never spoiled our relationship with Triumph, but
on the contrary, we support you, take off your active friendship!!! That's it Allen
you deserve this "cool" message...  (Nope, Triumphators!!!;-)
Revenge.                              
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    Now let’s take a look at his “cry of the soul.”                
    Guess why he asked not to give his name? Da
therefore, he did not want for himself the “glory” that he attributed to us and me
personally. Next...                                                 
    `... everything that is written here is the complete truth and
in no way embellished with emotions...`.                     
    No words... read below.                                   
    `The Tale of (precisely) EVIL Vader the Trader`.               
    First of all, thank you for capitalizing me. Now
about the evil one.  Not evil, but straightforward. This is mine
The problem is to say everything “to your face” and frankly. All I think
on some issue under discussion, I will express it completely, without
beautiful  Therefore, it was for me (and another comrade, because
similarities of thinking) carry all their new developments so that I can
provide constructive criticism for further improvements and
corrections.  You, fighting, did exactly the same (poured out your
software garbage on me).  So, you seem to be used to
your friends licked yoursextensive f..u and adjusted to
you.  And then, suddenly, you receive such a brutal rebuff, and
most of all from me. You didn't like it very much, am I right? A
You and I argued very often. U after all this you
can you write “not embellished with emotions”?!  This is the most common
revenge from the insult that you brought to the whole country!                 
    Now about the “coolest Don Carleone”. Why are you him
do you respect me that much?  Yes because Vasya is a very subtle psychologist and
a good politician who will never speak his mind completely. This
his main trait is to be nice to everyone, joke, discuss
something, so not a single one of his acquaintances, with the exception of his close ones
friends, will not be able to say how he treats whom - everyone
equally good.  Umehho that's what you liked about him. A party
in our market this has been a long-established tradition.     
    `... But he saved up money and opened a store where he sold CDs
and started selling spare parts for _PC_                            
    First of all, a quick question: why does Carleone suddenly get money?
saved up, and even for his own company, perhaps from trade
Spectrum disks??? Secondly, why are you suddenly at the root
changed his position on `pts`, huh??? This is your favorite
car!  Why, if you write for a magazine like DEJA VU, you have to
It is imperative to support (almost) everyone’s opinion, otherwise suddenlythey will disrespect you! Chomeleon is unhappy!                               
    `... and he does his job to an unfamiliar person Vader
conveyed...`                                                     
    At that time, it was you who was such a person, not me. Vasya -
a businessman since the age of 15 and never anything to a 'bad' person
won't trust.  You couldn't know all the details, because
No one will open them for you!                              
    `... and that Jader turned out to be a MASSAFAKER...`                   
    W> Borya, if you wanted your claims to be taken seriously
perceived, then you should have at least learned to choose expressions
when addressing people who have never allowed themselves such
phrases, especially throughout the country.                                  
    `... he was embarrassed with the three-swap Rovers, new broken
supplying...`                                               
    V> How can you say that ALL software is broken when
you don’t even know from whom it comes and in what form.           
    `... and that software was broken three times, four times
twisted...`                                                
    By the way, wasn’t it you who came four times twisted?
"licensed" DEJA VU #5 ???                                   
    `... and if something comes..., then Wocen broke it all...he is a great hacker and a thrice cool coder, he broke and
he praised himself and stuck on his intrusions.                        
    W> First of all, who are you to scribble your reviews about
anyone.  For starters, it wouldn’t hurt to grow up a little, but
get jealous when someone praises me. Regarding the int... You
that I saw so many of my intros that they managed to get boring, or
Are you weak to code it yourself? Secondly: I didn’t break anything for the sake of
in order to break. And thirdly, you're right, a lot of them were removed
glitches of the authors themselves and learned new methods of protection, and not for
the inscription `Cracked by`, which you, struggling, will never understand.       
    V> If the AUTHORS asked not to sell their program, but only
check it out, it never went on sale, at least
At least I didn't sell.  If you remember, I established a dictatorship
WORK on Speccy in our city, the essence of which was
that no one will receive any software until they present their
work: either a picture or a program - in general, whoever can do what.
This is where the way for new things to come to you was blocked,
made you very angry, and that’s when I became Jader for you.  
    `... and he sold it, but he took the money for himself...`               
    Let's figure it out about profit. I don't know how you are doing
the situation is different in other cities, but we have a place in the radio marketcosts 55.50 rubles for one day of trading (if you use the network
220 V, which we use to work with a computer directly on
market).  Ducku cost from 5 to 10 rubles. On average on a good day
it turns out 60-70 rubles, of which 55.50 is spent on payment
places.  You're right, it's only enough for cigarettes. I'm not saying that
there are no days when you get 100 rubles, or even more, and
then only because some seller comes from
Chrysostom, for example, and collects a lot at once for further
resale.  And by the way, it doesn’t say on it what he’s buying.
for resale.  But more often it happens that you get 30-40 rubles for
day, but you still have to pay for the place! And who will do it for me?
new envelopes for the disks, get some blank disks that we have
HUGE shortage, and will buy a new ribbon for the printer, which is very
ends quickly??? Good uncle, or are you, Borya??? But that's all
also costs money.  Several years ago, when I was doing this
Almost everyone had Carleone and Speccy, money came in
Unsurprisingly, the line did not end until the market closed.    
    Let's move on.                                                
    `... and found out SOMETHING about it, forgive SOMEONE, ... and he became
offer to chip in half and buy software licenses...`
    Something has happened to your memory, struggling. HALF YOU NEVERoffered to chip in.  Your only suggestion was
buy a license for 50 rubles for DEJA VU #5 (after the next
scandal, caused again by you), and with a clear conscience
sell it.  Don't you remember what I answered you then? And what
Only 3 people buy magazines in our city. What is this for me?
sell 1 magazine for 16.6 rubles? U you think that someone
will he buy?  This is what the conversation was about, and I said that if it
If it weren’t for me at a loss, I would be engaged in legal distribution,
even if I wouldn’t get a penny from it, as long as it pays off
expenses.  I talk about this all the time. I have always supported the idea
editors of DEJA VU regarding a single point where anyone can
order licensed programs for yourself, this only made everyone happy
It’s better for me, too - I wouldn’t waste my nerves and freeze
ass half a day outside at -25 oC, but you somehow forgot about it
mention.                                                      
    `... but Zhader, who was snickering, answered with great ambition,
that the thrice-broken software comes to Rovers faster than
release it for official distribution...`                 
    Well, if any of us are snickering, isn’t it you, Borya? you me
Are you already taking me for an idiot?!  I'm not completely sure yet
I'm crazy to say that!  Even a child understands thatofficially the product appears immediately after release, and broken
There’s no way he can get ahead of the official!!! While he's walking around
hacker hands, a lot of people will already get it if they WANT,
official!   I repeat once again that I am FOR
licensed software, but either from the hands of the author, as he did
Mednonogov, or from an official distributor, such as
"Unforkom".  A retail outlets in each city with such
In this case, they only increase the cost of programs.  But these are also mine
the statements “accidentally” flew out of your head.              
    `... and he yelled that you can’t buy software, otherwise everything will be
Amiga, but they will switch to PC, but they will stop writing...`               
    What a phrase!  To be honest, no matter how much I
I tried, but I couldn’t remember how I “yelled” THAT MUCH! Even with
I couldn’t blurt out such a thing with a deep hangover. I only said
to myself that I not only cannot, but also do not want to buy an Amiga,
because I won’t write anything good anymore on Speccy. How would
didn’t shout that “when I buy myself a PC or Amiga, I
I will definitely draw, code, write music on Speccy", I’m in
I will never believe this, because a serious product is enough
this person will never succeed, he’ll just have a look
`a little` from high: then, suddenly, there is not enough memory for the effect,
orthe speed is poor, then the 4-bit sound suddenly began to play poorly and
etc.  etc.  That's what I really yelled and called on everyone
stay on Speccy!  Y you, Borya, memory failure, and what’s more
Serious enough!                                           
    `... and he ordered the coolest magazine (no sycophancy
felt???), DEJA VU #5, and that magazine came to him... without
all kinds of protection, and without problems, both licensed and working on wheelbarrows
any...`                                                       
    I remember, I remember... With the section “I’ll tell you now” not working. We even
it was a sin to think that there was something about your tricks,
Borya, and you hacked it and ruined the whole article. This is it
licensed software!   Bravo!   Why are you shouting that everything
licensed - fully working, why don’t you watch it yourself?
performance of YOUR own product?!   Yes, by the way, oh
performance.  Why DEJA VU 1-3 do not work in Profi -
mode and don't respect TURBO?!  I'm sorry, but if you're for this
get money, or want to receive it, then, first of all,
OBLIGATED to do it efficiently, but not only to work, and even under
emulator!                                                     
    I imagine that I wrote this SOMETHING in the left behind
framed text, and I’m sure that I’m not the only one who’s shocked by it.           
    Herethis SOMETHING is represented by a hero, but you didn’t ask
The question is, does he have licensed software? I will say that except
DEJA VU, and Black Raven is no longer licensed
disposes.  And tell me, the greedy one, WHERE to get a license,
for example on DIZZY 1-5, huh???  Travel abroad? Are you hesitant? Here
so and so.  The conversation about the license should be reasonable, not raking
all in one pile.                                                
    Thank you, Ze Pagan, for the funeral prayer, but how is it
so you decided to take care of my career, because I can,
like Boris, forget that I was once Vader, invent
something new and live in peace. But I won't do this. A if
you want to come to us, then I will be only happy to discuss with you
everything is in real-time conversation, and I am sure that you are with me in many ways
you will agree. I repeat once again that I do not want to trade on the market,
especially without a license.  But where will users get new ones?
program, there is no single address yet, given that the information
for new arrivals is completely absent.  And maybe
organize some other office a la `overfile`. A will
They can get it in stores, only in retail stores. Don't need me
imagine me as such a monster, especially since I too will soon
concerns the problem of distribution of the game, to which I have
pretty straight forwardattitude...                                    
    I believe that this topic is far from closed and requires good
discussions and intelligent decisions, and not such fakes like that
“cry of the soul”, after which, by the way, I had a serious breakdown
trust in the veracity of the information you provide in the magazine.
    With this text I do not pursue the goal of justifying myself, I am simply citing
real facts of an almost hopeless situation with copyrights
on Speccy, which must be fixed.  I, in my
I will try to do what depends on me, because
that you need to not only shout `you respect copyright -
down with hackers, but also take specific actions that
implement immediately.  Otherwise we won’t have any luck! U
until such actions are implemented, neither in Chelyabinsk nor
Nothing will change anywhere else!                                 
    We are waiting for an answer either on the pages of your magazine or ours,
but we are definitely waiting.  Write to everyone who is interested in this
problem.                                                       
                                          
    With respect: Vader & all others of Triumph.                 
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The text was written by Vader, edited by Triumph.DATE: 24.11.98                                                  
                                          
At least, all stuff of Triumph:                                 
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.X-Raizor as main organizer, fixer                              
.Vader as со-organizer, koder                                   
.Ice`Di Griz as main swapper, graphist, supplier                
.Blade as designer, swapper, graphist, some koder               
.Wocen as koder                                                 
.Loki as koder, designer                                        
.Bytic as graphist                                              
.Voodoo as Amiga Render-Ray Trace supplier, graphist            
.Cooler as hardwarer, mailer, simple very cool man              
.Jam as musician                                                
.Smoke as koder                                                 
.Edison as looker                                               
.Wizard as graphist                                             
.Jim as koder, protecter                                        
.Mr.Di as graphist, kode                                        
                                          
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