Discussion - About Guyuk, the Yixsur language, one great mathematician and another famous writer.

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                            About Guyuk,
                         Yixsur language,
                    one major mathematics
                  and another famous writer.

The question I asked in the echo of RU.LINGUISTDecember 6 was
as follows:

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A big request _to_ _all_ _those gathered_: 
1. Try to determine what kind of language it is;
2. Try to translate this text into Russian;
3. Try to guess where this text comes from;
4. The answer to me is HA SOAP (not in the echo, but in soap - for Internet users alco
mail ru ). 

I need as many answers as possible. Under no circumstances _not_ 
_answer_ _in_ _echo_, because this will irreversibly disrupt 
independence of answers. 
Via10days I’ll reveal a secret. 

P.S. There may be typos.

Bdal Gyuuk with Rum ve dubi over Gokike ryasyu
love your report;
Per t(a?)te oak he, che venek evo lechvets dres;
Otchota zvogo was, Volsog swung his forehead and lay down;
An z Envori Phyn,tso dar tovat sui i navo Pukhynchev tovat su(y?);
An children wusya and Nero vtohit Suf ort(u?) syu;
>
Itame;
There ye ovsuti schaz do psyu, hell then Yaukt;
Sil u me ovskiy Jak bsi;
They stuck r(e?)pi to the till, which is the winter cat in this grotto;
Oh fox moki, rky, byas n(e?) lope rep Rima;
Ke volochka, ke volechka, whatever;
Bor fell, gom acrok sit;
Oh beat this and neloko peide l(i?)sa;
But latsar call, what are you doing, in(o?)t svu;
No matter what the glory, no matter what;
Cho gon not grimy gontsa;
Wha(o?) se nogo Jak to bilse.
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Let's summarize.

So, from41 (not counting me) the linguist present in the echo and
philologist:

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Anisimov, Dmitry 
Briginets, Olya 
Broukhis, Leonid 
Chernyh, Ilya 
Derevitsky, Dmitry 
Fomenko, Andrey 
GOERINGER, Keith 
Goren 
ilinski, ilia 
Irdullin, Vladislav 
Ivanov, Misha 
Jurkevich, Mike G. 
Kapitannikova, Irina R. 
Krechetov, Andrey 
Las, Maelor D. 
Lazutkina, Elena 
Loiterstein, Leonid 
Lozinsky, Eugenia 
Malikov, Alex 
Marinais 
Markow, Andrew 
Nechayev, Valentin 
Oshchepkov, Ivan 
Palets, Dima 
Pavlov, Dmytro 
Peregudov, Michael A. 
Plisco, Igor 
Romanova, Vera 
Rozhevsky,Vlad 
Ryurikov, George 
Segizov, Sergey 
Shannar 
Sharypov, Rinat 
Slobin, Cyril 
Smetankin, Andrew 
Sotnikov, Vlad 
Tkachova, Irina 
Tumov, Ruslan 
Volkov, Oleg V. 
Yusupova, Pavla 
Zelenkov, Vadim 
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...the adventures of Guyuk and his friends became interested in four (and
The echo was by no means overloaded with messages). Two of them
answered voluntarily, and the other two -
voluntary-compulsory ;)

Answer 1: 
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Looks like gypsy... Some of the gypsy... text not
cut through. Some kind of fairy tale...
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Answer 2: 
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Most reminiscent of the attempts of Shcherbakov and Nosovsky
reconstruction of Etruscan texts based on modern Russian
language. In general, it makes zero sense. Suitable only for
shamanic dances ;)
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The answer is _very close to the correct_!

Answer 3: 
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I don't know. The roots of the words are similar to Slavic, but nothing more detailed
I can’t say.
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Answer 4: 
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 DB> 1. Try to determine what kind of language it is;
Russian. Immediately visible.
 DB> 2. Try to translate this text into Russian;
Let's see. Hmm, quite simple!

"If every unfortunate, tortured person had left
at least one atom of his feelings, if the legacy grew like this
generations, if only a spark could run from a personk
to a person, the world would be filled with a scream, forcefully torn from
guts. Like snails, we each stuck to our own leaf. I
I surrender to the protection of my mathematics, and I repeat when she doesn’t
saves the last stanza of the poem, Swinburne(?)
Tired of eternal hopes,
Tired of joyful feasts,
Without knowing fears and desires
We bless the gods.
For the fact that the heart is in a person
It will not tremble forever.
For the fact that all the rivers will flow
Someday on the surface of the sea."

"Swinburne" - either you have a mistake, or I don't know such a word.
Must be "superstitious"? It doesn't make sense... :(
DB> 3.Try to guess where this text comes from;
Don't know. "I surrender to the protection of my mathematics" - someone from
great said. And who, for the life of me, I can’t remember now.
Lobachevsky?
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The answer is _even closer to the correct_!

And now the correct answer:

The fragment is an attempt to clearly demonstrate
the possibility of erroneously reading even large text is not
native language - by breaking it down into words as needed and
adding punctuation marks. For successful reading you need
similar phonetics. If the phonetics are not similar, you can change the method
transliteration. Reading has many options. I deliberately chose
variations that disguise the real origin of the text. How can you
see, only one person from41 guessed to read the text
on the contrary.

Previously, I carried out similar experiments only with more
short fragments of text, and in English. They weren't
very successful examples, since it was partially used
non-obvious recording "by ear". So I'll add to those examples,
which have already been made public, also translations of the same phrases when
transliteration letter to letter (exceptlettersh coming after
consonants). Naturally, the original and new translations are strongly
vary.

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I advise readers to try recording a transcription of some 
English text in Cyrillic and together, and then creatively 
look for the Old Russian meaning in the resulting inscription. I promise 
stable success in more than50%cases. Here are my examples 
excerpted from Alice's Adventures in Wonderland: 

 1.e had put on one of the Rabbit's little white kid gloves
while she was t 
[old translation]
-EKHADPUTOHVANOFTERABITZLITTLEWAITKIDGLOWSVAILSHIVOST
-ehad put he is working in anofta;
angers lva and kidd globe piles lshivost.
-He was on his way to Anofta to work;
angers the lion and weaves deceit with his head.
[new translation]
-EHADPUTONONEOFTERABITSLITLEVITEKIDGLOVESVAISHIVOST
-ehad put he about neofte rabit merged levite kid glove piles lshivost.
-He was on his way to work on oil: to salt the Levites, throwing the main
their lies.

 2.potamus, but then she remembered how small she was now, a
[old translation]
-POTAMUSBATTEHSHIREMEMBEDAUSMOLSHIVOZNAVE
-becausesbat ten shirem em trouble us molshi in znave
-That’s why the Shadow (?) says: “If I eat wider, it’s a disaster for my mustache.” Be silent in knowledge.
[new translation]
-POTAMUSBUTTEHSHEREMEMBEREDOUSMALSHEVASHOVA
-potamu sbut tenshe rem beredo us malsheva again;
-That’s why I’m wearing a thinner belt: the beard and mustache are a boy’s again.

 You can also take the standard text:

 3.a quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
[old translation]
-AQUICKBROWNFOXJAMPSOVRTELEIZIDOG
-akvi kbra u nfok squeezing the pso in my mouth barely isidog.
- Nefok’s water cobra took pity on the dog’s mouth - he barely died.
[new translation]
-AKUICKBROWHFOXJUMPSVERTELAZIDOG
-akuik kbrov nfok sdzhum psovertel az idog.
-What kind of cybers are we keeping? - I turned the idol.

 And vice versa:

 4.god yzal eht revo spmuj xof nword kciuq a
[old translation]
-GODIZALEKHTREVOSRMUIIKSOFHVORDKKIVKA
-godi for lekh trevos rmu y xof nv ord to kiv ka...
-Wait for the Poles for the alarms of Rome and for the Xophs for the new horde to Kyiv,
what...
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Let me remind you of the example chosen by Academician A.T. Fomenko among the inscriptions
A. Chertkov and F. Volansky (Etruscan transliterations), as 
counterexamples to which all the inscriptions above are proposed:====================================================================
Reski weight God, above Vima and Dima, Ezmenyu Rasiya,
Im same opetse (my) house and deces, lepeyen Ezmen!
Ekatesin is distant; I'll crawl to the ground;
Totsi vero-vero es! what, Aeneas is the king.
Sideiz with Ladoim in Elishom, Leyty understood, forgot;
 Oops! good roads!
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The unsystematic nature of affixes in the ancient inscription, which received
repartitioning Slavic roots can always be explained
the antiquity and obscurity of the dialect, as well as the darkness and
illiteracy of the scribe.

The text about Guyuk is an inverted ending of the story
Stanislaw Lem "The Voice of the Lord" (which is dedicated to a similar 
problem). Stanislaw Lem. Glos Pana(1968). Translation from Polish:
A. Gromova, R. Nudelman, K. Dushenko. 

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If from every unfortunate, tortured person there remained 
at least one atom of his feelings, if only the legacy would grow this way 
generations, if only a spark could run from person to 
to a person - the world would be filled with a cry, forcefully torn from 
intestines. 
   We, like snails, each stuck to our own leaf. I give myself
under the protection of my mathematics and I repeat when it does not save, 
the last stanza of Swinburne's poem: 
 Tired of eternal hopes,
 Tired of joyful feasts,
 Without knowing fears and desires,
 We bless the gods
 For the fact that the heart is in a person
 It will not tremble forever,
 For the fact that all the rivers will flow
 Someday on the surface of the sea.
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Congratulations to the winners - Sergey Segizov(answer 4)
and Valentin Nechayev(answer 2).
Please popularize the results of the experiment in every possible way.

Bystrov D.M.,December 16, 2004, Ryazan. 

P.S. There was another answer, it was written14 Dec 04,but came to me
only20th.So that the author of the answer does not be offended, I will give it too. 
The answer sounded like this:"I think this is a Russian fenya from the 19th century."