ZX Time #06 09 января 2002

Концепции

Discussion - dismantling of Maxim and Dennis Letts Tokarchuk on "OS on the ZX Spectrum".

Debate


           Maxim Leagues and Denis Tokarchuk


                     "Friends do not" have ",

                         with friends! "

                              Golden Max


      Maxony Strikes Back

                  or

            "A little heated?"


  When I read the answer on the Maxim Letts
"Discussion", or rather to my comments, for some reason I 
remember one anecdote: 

  "A man hunts. Shot-firing a
day - no production is not shot off ...
Last cartridge in his gun ... And then see:
out of the bushes runs a hefty wild boar. He
bummed ... And thinks: "I got or not
got ?"... smoke dissipates - is a wild boar, and says: "Well, 
you're a man and got !"..." 


  So I did. Constructed a story on arguments Maxony, somewhere 
podnaehal ... Somewhere, I admit it, crossed the line ... And 
this thus incurred the wrath of the storm

author of the letter. Part of the pardon, and why "of part" - 
see below ... 


  Word Maxony:

  M :"... I believe that my opponent in the
This was razgovore and navernoe, budet
neky Denis Tokorchuk, neky DWT ... "


  DWT: Actually, before someone
write something and the more rude and
run down, it is necessary to know the correct name and
name, which, mind you, "Tokarchuk, and
not "Tokorchuk" ... Especially, if the straddle "in absentia" 
... Well believe this cavil.:)



  M: "DWT: I must reveal the secret
Maxony.:) Imagine what Operating System is in the Spectrum! 
They were even two! BASIC48 and TRDOS! And the computer is not 
necessary be hyper-developed in the gland,

to have a OS! Operating system (incidentally, the reduction of 
the OS:)) - it As can be seen even from the name of the system 
over which conducted the operation "docking"

human and computer, as well as treatment
with the devices. "(quote from the ZXT # 5)


  He must unveil the secrets unto me. And
Books poke tozhe DO NOT need. That's when the sit on the zx 
what I posidel and at least soberesh the plug once, then budesh

unto me to tell everyone leym. And voobsche,
DO NOT have to exaggerate Vse. And on schet beysika - you, 
brother, deep zabluzhdeniyah, DO NOT hochesh you say that about 
us sploshnye operatsionki? Sleduya tvoey logike, then menya on 
amige 3 operatsionki! One AmigaOS, another Beysik and tretya to

primeru Arexx, and a list of such operatsionnok can continue. 
Axis is in sreda which yuser mozhet be engaged tem, chem

emu like, and at the same emu DO NOT need
delat opredelennye efforts ... "


  DWT: misleading you! When the Spectrum
born (in 1982) it was called OSes BASIC48. In Speccy
were integrated into the BASIC and OS! At this point
not Lecha:)


  M: "DWT: Again forced to discover the secrets
Maxony:). Imagine that the Z80 put into the phone (or rather, 
the automatic number detectors) more years commercials a decade 
ago, when the Spectrum was triumph throughout the world. And 
it's not because Z80 is fit only for typewriters:).

This emphasizes its functional
raznogrannost generated by the flexibility
Architecture! This is no i8080, which does not have half the 
advantages of Z80. 

  At the expense of more powerful z80. Why do
they are retarded? And who ever gave you the right to judge 
about this? Did you ever seen the new processors Zilog'a at 
work? Think no.


  On the hard drive. Spectrum is not needed
dvadtsatigigabaytovy screw. He is quite
enough for 80-100 meters. Find me a screw
to 100MB for the price of ten Spectrum ... "

                       (Quote from ZXT # 5)


  When a TV set placed in a lamp:)
At the same time they put in priemniki, nekotorye COX-sey and 
on the Day of (I imeyu view priemniki). But This is not a means 
that If the We want to create a cool TV set, we

sdelaem the plug on lamps! .. "


   DWT: Several incorrect parallel. I talked about that during 
the Triumph z80, it simultaneously set and

in computers and phones, and in print
machines. And why not put in the comp
more advanced models of processors
in this series? Because of its universality is not
only maintained but also developed.


  M :"... And on schet rights, so we vrode with
you on an equal footing, oboe grazhdane
Ukraine and the oboe in zhivem demokraticheskoy
strane. And Vse If the equal rights of anyone, and
bolshe so navernoe y menya. U menya experience
in bolshe tvoego, and his pervy zx I
collected in 10 let in 1990. And what of the
sebya predstavlyaet z80 new modifications
I know on the orders of neskolko bolshe, chem
you. U menya z80 33MHz in transivere worth
in the sheme of frequency stabilization ... "


  DWT: What are you me my veteranstvom hvastaeshsya? Do you 
think that you are sitting at Speke more than I do? 
Zabluzhdaeshsya ... Spec I got somewhere 199,091's, assembled 
by my father (by the way, the radio-Shortwave from Of 1975). 
Before that I had RK86, collected as a father in the far

1987 ...

  Good for you, what you know about the z80 than
I. But one thing to know about its capabilities
and talk about it objectively, and the other
thing - to know and dirty. That's it.


  M :"... You say obem for zx DO NOT
kritichen but izvolte - obem software
imeet direct dependence on vozmozhnostey
com. Or you hotite say
slepite steep zx, vkinite there a lot
deneg and budete to primeru, pictures
smotret in RESIDENCE where smotrite
seychas? Kazhetsya unto me that once zahochetsya
tsvetov, razresheny, and hence obemy. AND
voobsche 20 gigabytes screw seychas soset
takzhe as well as 100 meg. For COX seychas 40
Hyg and bolee ...

 > [Quote] DWT: the light will be the PCs
Amiga, or the maximum only in cases where the relevant 
processors (and then - unlikely). I do not appear something like

these three, if used as a
CPU like eZ80 ... (Quote from ZXT # 5).


  In the words of one of my good friend, "This is equivalent 
zayavlyaniyu - davayte soberem steep tube TV set on

tsene plazmennogo telika !".."


  DWT: Hmm ... Talking about what you know
on processors Zilog'a much, and compare them with lamps. That 
is, claims that all is hopeless Zilog'i backward ... It's a 
shame ...:( 


  M: "DWT: Speak so do not ramble! Again, who gave you the 
right to judge the General Sound? You are not spent or dime to 
develop and then implement this project. Yes, probably prices 
are high, but I'm sure that it is not due to the fact that the 
authors have chosen to become millionaires, but because they 
want to fill exactly the amount they

spend to produce the sound card.

                       (Quote from ZXT # 5)


  Interesny naezd! Vse but I still say that the rights of menya 
bolshe, at least from the fact that I zx bolshe let otsidel.

When I zx payal, you're in luchshem sluchae
begal a nurse, and beg: "Mama! Buy
kompyuter and .."..."


  DWT: Again, that you're sitting at Speke
as much as I do! ..


  M: "And on schet what you say they say
authors GS sdelali for the sake of protsessa,
then you are very oshibaeshsya. Explain If the
author DO NOT chasing profits nahera then labeled with mikruh 
shoot? And remember nichego steep in the mire for nothing so DO 
NOT delaetsya ... " 


  DWT: I think the authors did not hope for
hyper-profit. But nevertheless, did not want to stay in the 
loser. 


  M: "As primer, Glory Medonogov that
plohie delal game? Well poverte, initially predpolagal earn, 
and when to pay perestali he scored on Vse it. A sum of the 
collection of GS does DO NOT yavlyaetsya 40 bucks, emu tsena on 
sebestoimosti griven 50. 

> [Quote] DWT: And it says this
spektrumist? He calls on all non-type
spend more money on the Spectrum, and
just buy yourself a nobody needs today Amigo 600? .. Maxony, if 
you say that it is ready for thirty bucks to throw out the 
Spectrum in a landfill, replacing it with few who need the 
Amiga, then you are not only spektrumist not, but a traitor!



  Predatel you for your naezdami only pokazyvaesh tem who once 
spek would raise, what you prevratili platform. And being 
wanted in schet DO NOT being wanted an Amiga, you luchshe be 
kept quiet, as the ee and you DO NOT close videl, and she 
steers at tem would be that he never would amizhnik DO NOT 
naehal on the chela who expressed their subjective mnenie. If 
the Dazhe to this chel yelled that Amiga sucks. Lo is the plug

delo on what platforme sidet and that
ney delat ... "


  DWT: Oh, that's how you sing! I became a traitor, and you 
suggest that "podymateli platform looked at me with his 
reproachful gaze? I think that these people, if they Spectrum 
was to give us something roads, would have supported me.


  At the expense of your sayings on cohesion
amizhnikov ... Downright biblical
community:) - like: "hit on one cheek
- Substitute another "... Maxony, do not carry it
nonsense!


  M: "DWT: If everything is going to gently
then this can be avoided and ... (quote)


  Well, well. Mozhet esche and robots sborke
mamok sdelaesh :)))))..."


  DWT: It would be the means and opportunity, and
and support - would already be a long time stamp to these 
robots Nurse for the spectrum. 


  M: "M:" And you think, but DO NOT for you #%$'' Subscribe
wait posle each zavisona, Overload
com? .. "

  DWT: I do not think that Spectrum long restart:). Glory 
Sinclair, not pisyuke sitting on ... (Quotations from the ZXT # 
5) 


  So there you zhe wasps write you dare! A OS
should be a screw pile all Lyne merge
in memory! For budet If the OS again, in the ROM
a penny ey tsena! .. "


  DWT: In my opinion - part of the OS
located in the ROM portion (often changing modules) on an 
external drive. But must again be said about the optimality. 
That is, the system should work with some set of standard 
tools, without podzagruzki any additional

modules - these tools should be sewn directly into the ROM 
(preferably) or sewn in the ROM-disk.



  M: "DWT: At the expense of paragraph one agrees.
But on to the second ... Maxony, you think, I divorce all the 
fuss is about OS only to "alter move

on the trash? ".. I'm sorry for you ... (quote)"


  DO NOT exaggerate!


  DWT: keep silent ... (Quote:)


  Luchshe would you silence from the beginning ... "


  DWT: I do not amizhnik, and according to this modestly silent 
when insulted works of genius (Spectrum and z80) are not I will.



  M: "DWT: You just fed up with this topic
because you do not understand what they mean.
No computer is complete without OS
as I pointed out in the beginning. If you do not believe
opening any primer ... Sorry, book
about computers ... OS at the Spectrum is, but
it is, I repeat, does not meet its current opportunities! 
(Quote) 


  This kakie takie zhe segodnyashnie opportunities at Spektruma 
since 1998 come from? krome heap fucking naveskov to anyone 
RESIDENCE DO NOT necessary keshey, heap memory, and kovoksov

etc. I simply DO NOT watch, and they
(Naveski) DO NOT Apartment belongs novye opportunities for
as a core company remained on urovne 1986
year! And do not just have to tell you what
to primeru a metr memory strongly nuzhen ordinary spektrumistu, 
I've imel 512 KB realized that they needed only to

disketku two passes to copy, and
DO NOT bolshe for chego! Well razve that koderu
nemnogo mozhet useful (chem I
sobstvenno did) when otladke and
programulin writing. "


  DWT: And you say, 1 meter memory is not needed. While, yes, 
you're right. No one has even used 512 kilobytes of memory 
completely (I've seen several programs under the 256K, but very 
few of them) - any RAMdisks and multiple windows in ALASM'e - 
not in account. But this has its explanation. One version - too 
much diversity of standards for the treatment of extended 
memory. Author programs simply afraid to use the 512K (or 
more), so how many machines it prog Proston simply will not 
have to produce fix'y bug. Another version - conviction

the same authors of programs in a small
the prevalence of computers with extended memory. That is, the 
author faces a choice: either to make a cool, beautiful and 
colorful igruhu under the expanded memory, but that goes for 
all (y those who yuzaet 128 e machines), or make some 
ubednennuyu version of the program, but which will go on all 
machines without exception. To produce two versions of

program when you do not pay off and one,
of course nobody is going to :(((. That
is, in my opinion, the problem is purely psychological or 
non-perception of new products, or - in the technical aspect, 
or - in commercially practical ... 


  M: "and asked that who you schedule
pishet what I understand, and that the net! In the ABC should 
look to thee, only one Where are the rules of etiquette when 
razgovore said, and would esche takie magazines like zx-format 
honored. In formate never anyone DO NOT naezzhali! .. " 


  DWT: Quote of the day: "The format never
to whom Do not run! ".." Honor in the 5th
Room Corner lamer. " Learn, as there
no one else could hit.

  In the ABC of good taste
you need to climb, since its
Content I have not insulted anyone for
just like that. And the use of mats speaks eloquently about 
what you have a good tone. 


  M: "DWT: I have even more to say. In the period 1994-1998, 
were issued by the best programs for the Spectrum. 

  One can not understand - why did you decide that
arguments we exhausts Speck in the grave?
In my opinion, on the contrary ... Damn, begaesh, dobyvaesh 
stuff you write for the sake of diskutiruesh in order to 
interest spektrumistov give us something ... And then wrote some

Maxony, you're saying Speck herded into the pit ... Thank you 
so much: (. (Quote) 


  Some TAGs are strongly moemu zaryvaetsya!


  DWT: Very happy for you .:))) (quote)

 And I for thee, for thou art a slave svoey stupidity. "


  DWT: If I'm stupid, then you as a fool, a place on a cot in 
the sixth ward in psih.bolnitse next to a pair of Napoleon!



  M: "DWT: But seriously - before
make statements like "no OS Spectrum
need you! "requires at least a little to imagine what the OS. 
And Spektrumistom should be, and then reading

Maxony, it seems that
Spectrum he needed, as the goat bayan ...

                                (Quote)


  Spektrum unto me nuzhen as stsena, but DO NOT like
a set of old glyuchaschego zheleza for kotoroe on bazare 5 UAH. 
DO NOT give. You can zx develop on other platforms. Lo!

kompyuter - This is not a protsessor. As primer
thee - Amiga and Mac imeyut alone and TE zhe
percent, but it raznye component is raznye
People and nakonets something on amiga Apartment belongs stsena,
chego to make until I saw DO NOT ... "


  DWT: I do not like the concept of "scene". Personally
For me the word "scene" is associated with a certain place to 
entertain people. Agree to music demonstrations -

it is quite normal formulation. But
not for the computer, not the platform.
Can not fit a single concept
"Scene" all aspects of computer art. Perhaps under it are only 
suitable demo art and music-creation.



  M :"... And voobsche mozhet you and Mednonogova
with Iwamoto predatelyami nazovesh? If the A
nazovesh, then immediately call mozhesh sebya
malenkim nichego neznayuschim sucker, so
both sravneniyu with you on sosesh
full programme. And DO NOT just for
sravneniyu with them. List of legendarnyh lichnostey goes on 
and on ... " 


  DWT: Now I understand what your diagnosis. Megalomania. 
Because you loved yourself you put on a par with such giants, 
as Mednonogov and Iwamoto. Neither me say that the Great are 
not judged. They did his invaluable contribution to the 
Spectrum, which is recognized by all, without exception, and 
that certainly played a positive role in the development of our 
country, as are all used call it, the scene. And what did such 
an outstanding you to compare himself with legendary 
personalities SUCH scale?



  M: "Mozhete this post, mozhete net.
Vse unto me personally anyway, but this Apartment belongs otvet
the fact obsyratelstvo how zanimaetsya
Knowing your DWT.


  DWT - a strange abbreviatura:) "


  DWT: And we have published. And this time
I definitely do you judge MY abbreviation.


  And anyway, you really decided to
an end to spoil relations with me, and with
KCS? Note that a fool to expose himself is you. Because, when 
you wrote even the first letter, put (judging by the

around) one goal - crap
All and all, but most of all - the Spectrum.
Of course, you knew that someone
say nothing and write a decent answer. By
Ironically, "the defendant" was I, but
I hurt your disdain for the "heart" (CP) Spectrum. That
turned scandal.


  And now, when the account is caught up, can
stop all this nobody wanted
Flame? And to me, and you unpleasant to write
each other insults. In the end,
Discussion about the OS has become a two-way disassembly, which 
neither I nor anyone some do not like ... Can conclude at this

and exchange the virtual handshakes? ..


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