Optron #31 28 сентября 1999

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  That's with you again "Litstranichka. But in
This time it is different from what you
've read here before. Now we
to read is not fiction, and a review of opinions that were 
expressed in ehokonferentsii spektrumistov-bibliophiles - 


               ZXNET.BOOKS


  After all literature - a complicated matter. Everyone - his 
views. Before us is a brief overview of disputes existed with 
some comments, to fill the gaps in the narrative. So ...




              Subj: Well, cha?


  Vladimir Klymus (VK):

  - I read the "Two step Dankarten" Vasiliev. Nice, but nothing 
special. I That's interesting, you have, "dreamers" all

is: "bang-bang and Kings? Protagonist
not even been in more or less respectable
alteration!


  There is a disdainful attitude towards
fiction. Of course, do not retaliate
long in coming:


  Alex Shalin (AS):

  - Do dreamers, you say? Honor's Daughter
Iron Dragon "from series" Dragon Age "!

  A long overdue to get rid of prejudice, he - is a fantasy is 
not easy entertaining reading. Some things pretend to be a 
classic. 


  But the enemy continues fiction soprotmvlyatsya:


  VK:

  - If anyone reads fiction for the sake of action, as such, I 
think a lot, then a penny to him Price! That's what I do not 
like science fiction - for what turns into razvlekalovku. 


  Well, everything is clear. For a couple of "rotten
sheep "composed view all genre. As
as the audience will react?


  Sergey Kulkov (SK):

  - So after each in their own understanding
the word "remake".

  VK:

  - Sure. What is meant by the word I - had no place in the 
"Steps". 

  SK:

  - Well, nothing can be done. However, the "Steps"
is not a reflection of the entire genre. Honor
Moorcock, and, if odoleesh, then change your mind
for razvlekalovki.


  Along the way, managed to catch and Hollywood
its worst form:


  Igor Turashev (IT):

  - A decent rework "- is both
Hollywood blockbuster: a ten soaked and then half the picture 
with the boss fights? 

  SK:

  - And the class as follows: ten soak
then I got to the head from the boss (not the network!), found 
a guru, 10 years practicing, 50 people soaked, and the boss 
kills all second series.



  In response came a letter, where it was assumed that the boss 
was not at all the boss, and film - does not a movie, and TV 
series. Yes, in the Hollywood and this happens ...


  Meanwhile, the battle of the giants "continues:


  VK:

  - What do you mean this? He got there at least once
in "hopeless" situation? All the time when
Weapons blunt Aboriginal udelal - and truncated.


  , It was stated that some representatives of the genre do not 
do weather. Objection was followed immediately: 


  VK:

  - Yes, it is not about individual representatives, but the 
genre as a whole! It's like with the company - many yuzayut 
PCs, but some - Amiga, Spectrum, BK, etc. But the fact that 
this a handful of people are using such great computers, does 
not characterize all computing as something absolutely 
positive! That is, a lot now among pop literature, but the fact 
that someone reads the "normal" fiction, yet neither of

nothing said. I ask: why all
rushed to the pop genre, if there are more serious and less 
prone pops? 


  So the struggle continued:


  SK:

  - Then why are you stuck to the "steps" -
individual members? In any phenomenon, there are both positive 
and negative sides. In all genres of pop music has its own 
there. But the word "pop" came from "Popular." Most of it reads

pop music in all its manifestations. And why?
One can see nature in most people like this -
do not want to think.

  VK:

  - Walk in Lviv and verify - that
We are most sold?

  SK:

  - So the point is that pop. However, search, find quite 
normal things. And do not straddle fiction - all of eroticism 
and soap operas, too, in bulk. It is not known yet,

something more.


  The fact that ensued, memorable visitors ZXNET.BOOKS. Started
conversation that would eclipse the historical literature and 
fiction, and everything else. Naturally, the judges 'things' do 
not go in debt: 


  IT:

  - I have nothing against stories do not have.
Sometimes even the books I read. True, more
art ...

  VK:

  - It is better to know the minutest details
all that was preceded by a particular event in history, than to 
try on someone else's writings marasmic look into the future. 
Well, can not be two zhyuley true! That is science fiction and 
rage. 

  And why, incidentally, as an example
divining the future lead only writers Jules Verne? Or do fans
this genre is limited horizon, or rather
was one of a kind! Think
second.

  IG:

  - Certainly, he unique,
but you and Jules, and other writers did not
aim to predict the future and, if
Yet someone and trying, nothing good comes out of this is ... 
Predicting the future deal with all sorts of astrologers, 
clairvoyants and other charlatans of all suits. A SF literature 
is different from normal or, say, a historical

the fact that the protagonist lives in a fictional world, and
nachhat what kind of world - a mythical past, an alternative 
present, or possible (and impossible) future ... By the way, 
more mnteresno prediction of the past ... 

  To the smallest detail past you
still do not know - never! Is that
invent a time machine and a bunch of other
fantastic lotions. But it's -
fiction, and so do you think these things impossible. Therefore 
it is better to read newspapers and Watch the documentary 
chronicles the ... And yet better - to write his memoirs, and 
only read them: that's where the truth of life will be! 
(However, when after drinking the memory otshibet - begin 
speculation.) 


  Naturally, a decent argument could not
dispense with references to philosophy.


  VK:

  - Explain to me the same philosophical sense
this genre! Or you have it do not you understand?

  IT:

  - There can be many things nafilosofstvovat: the subconscious 
desire of each know your future ... (This, incidentally, can, 
and your desire for history to prove). 

  And I like to read fiction because
that in the fictional world is
fictional events, and sometimes global
poverty, and the reader is in empathy with the hero. Hence, the 
generation of emotions generally positive. And if the final

good - not the usual happy ending, but an intelligent and
rather realistic - that such emotions
becomes even more ... And why should
positive emotions in history, if
For example, the history of our country is very monotonous: 
they wanted the best, but it turned out as always! Blood is not 
fictional, as in fiction, but real, and this blood very much, a 
lot of betrayal and etc. So fantastic to me - something

akin to the generator of positive emotions,
around which is very small: crime, crisis, etc.


  Demonstrated their attitude to science fiction and history, 
the opponent does not VK could not get back "on the head with a 
stranger opinion:



  VK:

  - Oh! That you can, the reality is gray. And me so well ...


  ... On what he screwed up quite a reasonable
Note:


  IT:

  - Well, if you so well, why
their lives to complicate something?


  The essence of history and fiction was considered literally 
from all sides: 


  VK:

  - History is not confined to the history of their
country. Here everything is real. Is not it interesting, 
knowing the starting point and destination, find out what had 
happened between them? 

  IT:

  - You are all equal no one will say, but
guesswork to build - to dream, is a fantasy turns out ...

  VK:

  - Remember the corny "without the past there
the future. "

  IT:

  - It is logical, but studying history, but rather
more confusing than anything you'll understand.


  Of course, the views expressed and
raised voices. Obviously, discharge the same considered
weighty argument. Well, everyone has their
views:


  IG:

  - Hey, prehistorik, maybe you will cease to suffer 
foolishness, and the people stretch! If you do not like for 
whatever reasons, fiction (short of a fantasy? difficult 
childhood?), the filter correspondence and create the kind your 
gaze on historical topics literature (think, there you have the 
sides), but I respect the same and tastes of other people! 


  Fortunately, readers of similar letters
generally not included.


  IT:

  - You, VK, revere something good,
For example, Vitali Zabirko or Michael Moorcock ...


  Aha! Began discussing the best representatives. And everyone 
- to your taste: 


  SK:

  - Offbeat people do not do all things
Moorcock swallow. This is then counted, but to start is with 
something like "Phoenix in obsidian. 

  IT:

  - Well, the classics: Robert Sheckley, Roger
Zelazny, Harry Garisson, Andre Norton, Paul
Anderson.

  SK:

  - Again, despite that. Fans of serious literature some of the 
things Harrison throat may be, though he has a great sense of 
humor. 


  Without resistance to surrender is not accepted.
And because VK quickly organized a striker
Fido out in defense of his views. We are there
talked about recruits, who could not answer even the most basic 
questions. Of course, it's sad but that's the source of

(Echo HUMOR.FILTERED) instilled some doubt on the reliability 
of this document. This was followed by this: 


  VK:

  - And will someone prove to me that this is not necessary to 
teach history and fiction Understand? Well, well ...


  SK:

  - Cool your striker, but not quite
on the topic. After all, the attitude towards science fiction
recruits also were not asked ... Maybe
They all are talented!


  Without appeals to the moderator has not done:


  Yuri Teslenko (YT):

  - Discipline:

  1) VK - for the not-quite-on ";

  2) away - for "dupy" (re-occurrence
Letters to the ehokonferentsii);

  3) Community - for odarennnost.


  But the moderator chose to inspect all
events to their logical conclusion:


  VK:

  - All of theme. I here a long time show
that fiction - the class, and history - bull,
and to teach is not necessary. Here and studied ourselves.


  And yet, in the course of conversation, it was
The view that these recruits are simply
"Mowed down". Perhaps it was the most logical explanation.


  SK:

  - Rather, do not learn. And then,
interest in science fiction is not necessarily
exclude an interest in history. And for fans
Fantasy story - even expanse!


  VK:

  - Fantasy, in my opinion, it is generally distorted.

  SK:

  - Who and The Three Musketeers "distorted. And who
and the story ...

  And in your story certainly had
place an artistic exaggeration.

  VK:

  - Tale of lies, so it - hint!


  After learning about what is happening, Tertius Gaudens
also decided vstryat in this fruitful
Debate:


  - For a reconciliation of the parties propose to consider the 
history and fiction by the same. As mentioned in the movie "Red 
Heat," "Here are my dokazatelstva!": 

  - Karel Capek. The stories of both pockets. Apocrypha.

  - Philip K. Dick. Man in the High Castle.

  - Andrzej Sapkowski. Blood Elves.

  That's where the truly merged fiction, detective story and 
philosophy! 

  Why did no one referred to these books? After all, Moorcock 
and Zabirko (have not read, but tell) did not prove it!



  Brilliant phrase! From this, obviously,
All choked in my craw "and the controversy slowly faded away. 
That was very helpful for tired all worse bitter radish. 

  However, life goes on. Occurred
no less interesting conversations and other
literary works. Take a quick look:


               Subj: Pushkin


  Roman Petrov (RP):

  - Is there such that 100% sabzh read?

  Marianna Abrosimova (MA):

  - Surely there, Bata any.

  RP:

  - Is it possible to translate into Russian?

  MA:

  - Well, bataniki "that clock
with books sitting very abstruse chela ...


            Subj: R. Heinlein


  Andrey Romanko (AR):

  - And I sabzh like, but recently more and more fan of the 
books by Stephen King. 

  YT:

  - Once I fanatel, but now I think marasmus.

  IG:

  - Well, I do not fanatel, but some things
read. Incidentally, he also wrote in different ways,
and not always fiction (or rather, the mystique and
horrors), he has a very serious psychological thrillers: 
"Misery", "Dolores Claiborne, "" Cujo, "but that's what I do not

I love (not because of badly written, and
just do not like). But all sorts of horror, as the prime on the 
idea (Salem), so and pozakovyrestee (Clash of the Worlds) I

respect.

  YT:

  - And here I am now Strugatskikh pochityvayu,
"Burdened by Evil" - funny thing is, as
However, the majority of their works.

  IG:

  - Oh! Duc colleagues! I have them all now completely 
swallowed, together with the students, but past some immature 
... 

  A "funny thing" - well, we can say
and so, but this thing is pretty serious and
more like on the symbiosis of two separate
books (such examples they had - Lame
Destiny "(symbiosis" Elixir "and" Swan ")
and, moreover, unfinished. But the main
idea there transferred.

  But they have in any work has humor
- And it was good.


             Subj: Who knows?


  SK:

  - Who could read the story Lukyanenko "Autumn visits? Who 
read what maybe it will be easier to understand the essence of 
the question, but others, too, can join.


  So the question is: Does Lukyanenko loves children?

  RP:

  - Do not read it, but answer is almost surely -
Yes. Otherwise he would not appear in the same echo,
where most teenagers communicate.
Echo - LOTSMAN.LOCAL (Fido'shnaya), but it appears he's rare. 
Moderator ekhi (if I'm not mistaken) - the head of one of 
ekaterinburzhskih children's clubs (a very interesting club - 
where children and fence teach and sail to walk) is personally 
acquainted with Lukyanenko. This moderator I know personally,

and he spoke of Lukyanenko is not well
only as a writer, but as a person
in general.


              Subj: Emmanuel


  Pavel Derkach (PD):

  - Guys, somebody reading "Emmanuel and
a herd of mammoths? retell briefly the contents.

  SK:

  - Do not spread misinformation! And on
I sense this whole cycle would close the book
Emmanuel and a flock of rabid dogs "...


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  And further, if this selection you
Good, I'll try to build something
In this way one more time.

  Finally, the example now defunct newspaper "RIP", I suggest 
you take a look at some of the "oridzhiny" of the cited 
letters: 


  You Th from the machine casing removed. And if a
you do that?

  Pens - it krivulki, growing from nowhere.

  Let go of the wire - car sick.

  Came, saw and left.

  Bitch! Of course, the bitch, but what is the exterior!

  For a broken 15-day yield.

  Modern movies are divided into militias and
baboviki.

  We use each other to fill
empty seats.

  Do not take the sounds from within the voice
Above.

  Who are the Buddhists and that they will be?

  Do not spit in galoshes! Useful in her to sit down!