That's all I have the honor to report about my project.

Hello, Evgeniy!

Apparently, it takes more than a day for the soap from me to reach you?
Well, I’ll have to publicly comment on your appeals to
deeply respected All addressed to me.

>TY> But it would be interesting to listen to AS’s (serious) opinion. Or is there nothing
>TY> to say?
> As in nothing? There is something. He is already in full swing describing how cool life will be for the
authors under the “new order”. But for some reason I just don’t like this order “as an author,” and even more so “as a user.”
Firstly, I think not only about the authors and not even so much about the authors,
but first of all about Spectrum users and, above all, those of them who are
connected to networks.
Secondly, between my project and Sergei’s project there is only one similarity,
namely: the network does not notice the difference between FREEWARE and N-WARE products.
I ask you not to attack the latter term and not to demand reference books, laws,
instructions and other things where its definition is given.
I introduced the term myself!
It means:
1) a product in quality not inferior to a commercial one;
2) freely distributed on networks;
3) with the support of those users who paid for it money;
4) with code protected from modification and research by copyright;
5) prohibited from distribution for money outside networks;
6) in a certain way“marked”.
There is one, but significant difference:
the price for the product is announced when it is 90% ready, the collection of money is entrusted
by the author to a “network trader” (the author himself, if he wants, can act in this
role).
I.e. network users pay for a specific product, a demo version of which they
saw or read a detailed description, to a specific author, the style and quality
of whose products they can study using FREEWARE and DEMO versions.
Prices for N-products are not assigned arbitrarily, but in a certain
price category (depending on the class of the author and the category of the product
(newspaper, magazine, release, author's game, system software and etc.) )
The price precedent rule applies, i.e. if a similar N-product
was sold before for X bucks, then any subsequent product should have
a similar price with comparable quality.
No organization coordinating this market _exists_!
Anarchy is the mother of order!
The network itself coordinates all this activity.
Legal channels are used to transfer money: banks, network banks,
mail.
SpectrumNetBank and SpectrumUnion are one of the possible consequences of the action of this
self-regulating mechanism - and only!

>AS> Well, what did they do with the honest people like in the old days? or where did “not caught - not
>AS> a thief” come from?
> Presumption of innocence, proveOnly a court can incriminate a person.
And did you often go to court when you were beaten at school? ;)
Besides, people won’t lie, “without fire there is no smoke”;
“you can deceive one person for a very long time, you can deceive everyone for a while, but you can’t deceive everyone for a long time”

> Clear, but not entirely. For one simple reason - do you know how much you need to do to become a “trader”, in the sense of a “small private entrepreneur”?
Imagine, I know, that’s why I didn’t become one! :)
But find yourself a familiar director of a company whose Charter is “rubber”,
draw up an agreement with him for the creation of a software product, include in it all
points from my project and create a precedent for everyone. Weak?

>AS> 1) I definitely support byte trading on networks! In relation to the Spectrum
AS> this means enormous efficiency. In a small volume, you can transfer a bunch
AS> of everything!
> Again, a small disclaimer - in FIDO, “byte trading” is prohibited.
I have already explained how to get around this. From the point of view of FIDO, you just threw in here
another FREEWARE.

>AS> It’s very simple: some people want something so bad that they can’t stand it (they were impatient
AS> that is;)), others - “so-so”, and the third one doesn’t give a damn at all
>AS> So let everyone think about it if he really caresI have to, but I don’t want to pay,
>AS> will someone pay for it to whom it’s generally “like a goat’s button accordion”?
> I don’t understand the meaning of your tirade. Personally, I now have a lot of “drum” programs. First of all - demos and some toys. Good system
programs are far from a dream, but only if they are GOOD, and this can
be determined only by working with them.
And when you buy a “left compact”, do you have time to get acquainted with its
quality? Excuse me, but get a product for $1-5, at the same time get the right
to its support by the author and still wrinkle your nose that you are not 100% satisfied with everything about it? ...

> And now, resolve my contradictions: “I agree to pay only for SOME
>programs and ONLY AFTER I am personally convinced that I need them, but I must
>pay IN ADVANCE, and FOR ALL programs.”
This is not for me, but for Sergei. In my version, you pay only for what you urgently need, you get everything else for free, but you also don’t have the rights to accompaniment (for a freebie)!

> Okay, my next question is how and who will collect this money
>(and a lot of it). What are the control mechanisms?
Regional collectors collect amounts from $10 to $100 and send
to a network trader authorized by the author. The network trader himself understands
regionalcollectors. Physically, the money will go to him after his command:
the software is 100% ready, tested, a description and license have been drawn up -
from the author;
the money is collected 100% - from regional collectors.
Since the regions are more or less stable and each of these collectors, in turn
can play the role of a network trader (is it clear why?) -
it is logical for all of them become SpectrumNetBank bankers, then there would be no need
to physically send money, but only that small part that is a deficit
who does not have it (buyers>sellers) to those who do have it
(buyersThis is how any real banking system works.
Just in case, I’ll give an example again:
Samara: Evgeny Milun sells N-Oberon Nxx magazine online for $400, but in Samara
and the region there are also buyers, not only N-Oberon, but also N-BR from St. Petersburg.
Then the money that was brought in to a Samara banker for purchase by Samara residents
N-BR from St. Petersburg simply goes into the pocket of E. Milun, without even leaving Samara.
A similar thing happens in St. Petersburg.
Now imagine that we have not 2, but 22 regions and between them we already have
cross payments. Here you can’t do without a coordinator and reporting.
That’s why this is a real network bank! with a central headquarters
and regionaldepartments. Only according to the Charter, he must service
exclusively payments using N-software. If such a system seems convenient to non-network traders, then so do their operations.
In general, non-network traders, if they have an IBM PC, crypto-protection tools and
modern high-speed modems, can become network traders at the same time.
I have neither the ability nor the desire to do all this myself.
If our business people - spektrumists consider this idea worthy of attention,
then let them “put it all on” on your feet."
Now about SpectrumUnion. If it is a non-profit organization with the goals of supporting young people's computer creativity and holding an annual festival, then it may have a commercial subsidiary, SpectrumNetBank, to carry out its socially beneficial goals. Everything will be completely
official and completely legal.
Everyone is afraid to get involved with this, and first of all Moscow ;)

> If it’s not difficult, a list of literature that stipulates the standards
of domestic Spectrum commercial software, and a set of services to support it?
Here you are develop these requirements - I don’t mind and maybe I’ll also criticize a little.

>AS> Otherwise, what’s the point in
AS> this whole idea, write to yourself as you want and distribute as is in
>AS> as FREE software ;)
> So here I amabout the same thing - what's the point in this idea if everyone writes
>how they want? And no one considers it their duty to maintain programs.
And that’s the point: to throw more and better software on the network
for which the authors can get paid!

> I just don’t understand what does SOS have to do with it? What you described should have been
an ordinary market.
With a network bias, I would say, but what does SOS have to do with it - I don’t know myself :)

> I’m afraid you’re too carried away by the “great ideas of equality”... Creating
your own program, competing with the original one, is ALREADY detrimental to the author (albeit and
>indirect).
It was precisely about non-creation. :)
>
>AS> 2) If you want your copyrights to be respected, always respect
>AS> the rights of other authors.
> First of all, users.
If authors cannot respect each other’s rights, then what can we say about
users :(

>AS> And who are they?
>AS> Unlike ordinary traders, this is potentially any of us!
>AS> After all, what is required from a network trader?
>AS> 1) Support the “author’s promotion”
> Oh, don’t say those words “support the author”. They give me heartburn.
Well, you don’t need it - you’re a well-known person, and I won’t refuse a favorable review
about my software (if there is one) from one of the luminaries - I won’t refuse,
justI will say thank you very much! :)

>AS> 2) and most importantly, collect money from people and transfer it to the author.
> What do you think, I will agree to send at least one
>ruble to the same Novikov ?????!!!!! And I thought the MMM tendencies have long been overcome in our country.
Sergey seems to have given you no reason to do this!
On the contrary, after he finally brought RVL4 to mind, I respect him very
strongly!

With respect, Andrey Savichev/CGS

I greet you from the bottom of my heart, Andrew!

AS> 5) prohibited for distribution for money outside networks;
AS> 6) “marked” in a certain way. There is one thing, but it is essential

Listen, you fool of the king of heaven (and that is what I will call you until you descend from heaven to the sinful earth), stop baby talk! Who needs your notes if no one will look for them, or if they find _nothing_ will do! Here in Donetsk, a left-handed merchant freely sells broken products, such as:
ZX-Format, Spectrofon, ULO-2, X-Reversy, etc., i.e. products released by
some fairly reputable people. Come, clean up the merchant's face or whatever
you are going to fight. You will never even know all the points where they will take money for N-war software, especially since you will not be able to do anything! And by banning commercial distribution outside networks, you will simply cut off all law-abiding
traders and allow pirates to enjoy what they want - free software! Just as they spit on copyrights now, they will spit on all your
“marks”. Only now can copy protection save some time, and you
are going to hand them the software on a silver platter! Stupid!!!

Due to the fact that the proposed projectswere too utopian - I offer
my own to the judgment of ALL:

1. It is necessary to create a cohesive network of traders, at the head of each region to find
large enough to make the most prompt delivery along already
knurled paths through them to small ones.
2. Large traders collect information about small ones in nearby cities and
compile lists available for general consideration.
3. Next publish these lists, as the fact of traders are now published,
gathering data together (how the pointlist is organized) and giving the author the opportunity
_to_ choose how he will distribute his product: with the help of only
large traders, or independently negotiating with smaller ones.
4. If the author trusts the larger ones, then they must distribute the product
to the smaller ones themselves, having discussed prices with the author.
5. It didn’t hurt. would be a list of those software products that are being prepared for release at the moment and the prices requested by the author for this product. This
will allow traders to evaluate their strength and prepare to purchase the next
product.
6. As a result, if the list of traders turns out to be large enough, the price for
an individual trader, and therefore for the buyer, will be low and no one
will go to buy anything from pirates. It will work the way it works now in
Donetsk.

Hasta la vista.
Tim Kelly

EM> Due to the fact that the proposed projects were too utopian -
EM> I offer mine for consideration ALL:

EM> 1. It is necessary to create a close-knit network of traders, at the head of each
EM> region to find
EM> large enough to make the most prompt delivery across
EM> already
EM> well-trodden paths through them to small ones.
EM> 2. Large traders collect information about small ones in nearby
EM> cities and
EM> compile lists available for public consideration.
EM> 3. Further publish these lists, as the fact
EM> of traders is now published, collecting data together (how the pointlist is organized) and give
EM> the author the opportunity _to_ choose how he will distribute his
EM> product: with the help of only large traders, or independently
EM> negotiating with smaller ones.
EM> 4. If the author trusts the larger ones, then they should distribute
EM> the product
EM> to smaller ones themselves, having discussed prices with the author.
EM> 5. It would be helpful to have a list of those software products that
EM> are preparing for release at the moment and the prices requested for this
EM> product by the author. This
EM> will allow traders to assess their strength and prepare forpurchasing
EM> the next
EM> product.
EM> 6. As a result, if the list of traders turns out to be large enough,
EM> the price for an individual trader, and therefore for the buyer, will be
EM> low and no one
EM> will go to buy anything from pirates. It will work, the way it works
EM> now in
EM> Donetsk.

Great ideas, I agree.

The only thing is to find people who will do this in the echo, compile
lists of traders, software and offers. Also, these people will have to collect
statistics on traders' proposals for the distribution of any product, since
not all authors have quick access to the network, let
the organizers use nearby ones for communication. These people must have a certain amount of free time, and easy access to the Internet and fido.

This information and lists of traders, software, statistics, and regional
representatives must be regularly distributed to all publications. This project seems to be more resilient and does not require premature investment of money.

SN<= Join, good idea.

Sincerely, Alex from FFC COMPUTERS.

>e-mail: as...@usa.net

I greet you from the bottom of my heart, All !

Thu Feb 19 1998, Alex Letaev squeezed the keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach Eugene Malkov
The only thing is, you need to find people who will do this in the echo,
AL> make lists of traders, software and offers. Also, these people
AL> will have to collect statistics on traders' proposals for
AL> distribution of any product, since not all authors have
AL> operational access to the network, then let them use
AL> nearby organizers for communication. These people must have
AL> a certain amount of free time, and easy access to the Internet and
AL> Fido.

That's right, in this regard, I propose my candidacy for the place of the person
collecting data on the software offer. We ask the authors to post data to me
approximately in this form:

Product name, type, group name, city, estimated release date
of the full and demo versions, estimated full price.

Statistics on small traders are best collected regionally, it is easier
to do this for large traders, based on the data provided by
users (everyone in their city knows where and who sells the software for
specta).

EM> product by the author. This will allow traders to assess their strengths and prepare
EM> to purchase the next product.

This point should be the first, not the fifth. Otherwise, it turns out that you are going to share the skin of not only a bear that has not yet been killed, but also one that has not yet been born. ;)
First there would be something to distribute or projects that are at least worthwhile, then
we can discuss how best to do it.

That: All What more or less interesting works should appear, say, in
the next six months?

Best wishes! Vladimir Spashko 19 Feb 98 18:47 hours.

Somehow a long time ago, specifically Wednesday February 18, 1998 at 14:18 Andrew Savichev
wrote All:

AS> 1) a product in quality not inferior to a commercial one;
AS> 2) freely distributed in networks;

And why a product that is not inferior commercial, freely distributed if you can get money for it by selling it on the market?

If the product is completely freeware, then the author can give a damn about its
distribution.

AS> 4) with a code protected from modification and research by copyright;

In our country you can forget about this for now.

AS> And often did you go to court when you were beaten at school? ;)
AS> In addition, people will not lie, “without fire there is no smoke”;
AS> “you can deceive one person for a very long time, you can deceive everyone
AS> for some time, but you cannot deceive everyone for a long time”

If by “all” you mean “the majority”, then it is definitely POSSIBLE. Remember JSC
MMM and related ones. Finally, remember some movement towards a bright future for the
victory of communism...

AS> draw up an agreement with him for the creation of a software product, add into it
AS> all the points from my project and create a precedent for everyone. Weak?

Meaning? Hit yourself in the chest with your heel and write in grittings?

AS> And when you buy a “left compact” do you have timeget acquainted
AS> with its quality?

Incorrect comparison. When I buy a video camera from Uncle Vasya for $10, I will not demand a guarantee and so on from him, because its real cost is $250. If
I buy it in a store for $100, I will demand a guarantee and everything
owed.

[skip]

AS> This is not for me, but for Sergei. In my version, you pay only for
AS> what you urgently need, you get everything else for free, but you also don’t have the rights
AS> to support (for freebies)!

Then it’s definitely easier to buy it all on the radio market. No meningitis with
transferring money, no hassle, no problems - came, paid, signed up, left.

[skip]

AS> SpectrumNetBank structure. Everything will be completely official and
AS> completely legal. Everyone is afraid to get involved with this, and above all
AS> Moscow ;)

And rightly so. Sorry, this is a utopia, imho unworkable in principle.

AS> And that’s the point: throwing more and better software on the network
AS> for which the authors will be able to receive money!

They won’t be able to. If they throw software onto the network, people (90%) will receive it for free and will not pay money (for example, it would never even occur to me to pay
money for what I have already received - and even if they scold me in grittings, it will not prevent me from sleeping peacefully at night). If they don’t throw software onto the network, people
thenwill no longer pay money, because there is nothing to pay for. Circle.

With respect, Tim. [Team Aries - Rulez Forever]

And as a “special note” I propose to make exclusively .TAR
versions of products. In this case, if the program is really well “protected
from modification and research,” it will not be able to appear to non-virtuals (indeed, who today would come up with the idea of ​​“playing from a tape recorder” on a real
Spec). But this format is understood by all emulators without exception.

In this case, it will make sense to work for two markets - for emulators and
for "realists" and the interests of "real" traders will not be infringed

Warm greetings, Slava!

ps\ Do I understand you correctly? or not really?
pps\ ugh, well, you introduced the terminology - “real, virtual, N-soft,........" :)

Wow, it seems things are starting to get off the ground.

EM> That's right, in this regard, I propose my candidacy for the place
EM> of the person collecting data on the software proposal. Request to the authors -

I can similarly propose my candidacy. If someone disagrees,
suggest.

EM> post me data
EM> approximately in the following form:

EM> Product name, type, group name, city, estimated
EM> date
EM> release of the full and demo versions, estimated full price.

To start the project, you need to find a few more people who can
promote it, and establish clear and efficient communication between them, preferably on
the Internet. Publish the project, if possible, in all electronic publications.
For now, I propose not to start working, but to try to finally revive
the project, and the participation of just two people is not enough for this. Slava, by the way, began to periodically throw information about traders into the echo. I would very much like to hear his opinion
about the project. You also need the opinion of large associations like DR.

EM> Statistics on small traders are best collected regionally,
EM> this is easiest for large traders to do, based on data
EM> provided
EM> by users (everyone in their city knows where and who sells software
EM> for speck).

For now, the main thing is to create a kernel, thenbring information to traders and
publishers, and only then act. Otherwise, it will turn out “as usual”.

SN<= Your opinion is needed.
AS<= Join us.
AH<= What do you think about this?
ALL<= What do you think about this?

Who prevents real traders from becoming online traders at the same time?
Who prevents authors from making some products for the “big market” and others for
the “small market”. If the product is firmly on its feet, it doesn’t need a “small market.”
But for marketing experiments, it’s just very good!
As well as for the growth of young and promotion of unpromoted groups!

Other thoughts on this matter in “Quite Seriously...”
I just read your message after sending “Quite Seriously...”

VM> And as a “special note” I propose to make exclusively .TAP
VM> versions of products. In this case, if the program is really well
VM> “protected from modification and research”, it will not be able to appear in
VM> non-virtuals (in fact, who today would come up with the idea of ​​“playing with
VM> tape recorder” on a real Spec). But this format is understood by all
VM> emulators without exception.

Can emulators working with taps be able to read headerless/left-handed (for example
turbo) downloads?

With all sorts of regards and wishes.
Igor.

P.S. Gee, I thought - all these projects will drive spec into the Stone Age - first
tapes, then voc, in order to record on tape, then a limitation (only 48k). %-)

... And what, Romans, isn’t a loaf of bread a sight for you yet?

EM>> estimated release date for the full and demo versions, estimated
EM>> full price.

AL> SN<= Your opinion is needed.

Imho, it won’t help. It may be possible to sell a certain amount of prog this way, but it will not enliven the scene and will not adequately pay the authors for their work. Only SOS is suitable for this role.

EM> 1. You need to create a close-knit network of traders, at the head of each region
[.....]
EM> to buy something from pirates. It will work the way it works now
EM> in Donetsk.
I don’t know how it works for others, but I like it. :))) If only for the simple
reason that this project is based on ALREADY EXISTING traders, many
of whom have established connections with each other and with the authors, and they are known by
buyers, and they know their customers.

Good luck! Evgeny.

■ The night is shorter than the day... The day will kill me... The world of illusions burns down in it. (C) Aria.

SN> IMHO, it won't help. It may be possible to sell a certain amount of prog this way,
SN> but it will not enliven the scene and will not adequately pay the authors’ work. Only SOS is suitable for this
SN> role.

Why, let the network play the role of an exchange, where something like
trading will take place, any information will be given. When creating a single such organization, all
traders will receive timely information about upcoming products, and then
at the same time almost the products themselves. One of the bad qualities of the current Spectrum software market is the chaos inherent everywhere and always, and this project will put an end to the mess. After all, Slava did something similar, and it’s already
working.

SN>IMHO, it won't help. It may be possible to sell a certain amount of prog this way, but
SN>it will not enliven the scene and will not adequately pay the authors’ work. Only SOS is suitable for this role.
Yeah, so here’s another point I missed, about “revitalizing the stage.”
Well, the question is too serious, I didn’t foresee such a global solution in my project
, because from my point of view, in the “big market” and the “stage”
everything is o’k.
I’ll limit myself to a tiny remark. ;)
As you know, our world consists, roughly speaking, on the one hand of:
authors, users, traders (alphabetical order, please do not get caught),
on the other hand, of naturals (reals) and virtuals, on the third of networkers
and non-networkers, on the fourth of civilized spektrumists and savages.

It is clear that there is a certain optimal proportion, as in any Markov chains.
I.e. the assumption that for every 5,000 users there may be
100 authors is
absolutely absurd, if only the authors have to make a living from these users.
We will leave the question of the “quality” of authors and users aside for now.
Who needs numbers - please!
! As always in my calculations, this is a rough estimate (guessing the order, “top
estimate”)
Intuitively clear, what a person on average can afford to spend on
services related to a certain personal itemconsumption of no more than 2 times the cost of the item itself. Let's assume the average "lifespan" of a Spectrum computer is 9 years (for many it is
just the age from 12-14 to 21-23 years). And with the cost of the computer itself
$20 - $150 (on average $85), we get 2x85=$170 for 9 years or $19 per year
Consequently, the average “market productivity” is 5000x$170/9= $94,444 i.e.
about 94 thousand dollars per year.
But once again I repeat this is the UPPER limit at 5,000 average buyers.
It is clear from this that we can easily “feed” about 5 “major teams”
of 2-4 people (15 people) each with an income of about $2-3 thousand per year and
about 10 more average teams (30 people) with incomes of $1-2 thousand per year.
The number of semi-amateur teams can amount to (this according to linear extrapolation) 20 teams of up to 50 people (I’m talking only about those who systematically
give at least some results)
But this, I repeat, is the “upper estimate”, provided that:
1) the authors work “to the limit” and produce excellent software that you can’t help but buy ;)
2) users do not freeload, but buy this very software.
Revival "scenes" can take place not through collecting money in one hand,
but through painstaking multifaceted work.
The main thing in this work is the mutual support of the authors, their reduction"costs
of author's labor" through consultations and exchanges of developments.
The network should be a full-fledged circulatory system, feeding the "brains" with everything
necessary.
We also need to specifically work with hard makers if we do not want to lose
the real Spectrum, and with it most of the users.
This, ugh, ugh, ugh - will really happen collapse!
We must not forget about virtuals; “brains” are especially valuable, i.e. those of them
who know a lot and who can finally
drag ideas, methods, approaches, algorithms from other platforms to the Spectrum!
But virtual users are, as a rule, wealthy people and
therefore can support the Spectrum with rubles.
Now about the most important thing - about Spectrum users, which we
all are, including authors and traders (the majority).
We need to do this, so that there is a healthy climate, so that people feel comfortable, pleasant, comfortable and, most importantly, INTERESTING!
Everything will happen, our people will grow in numbers - DESPITE EVERYTHING!!!
The rest seems to be unnecessary to explain.

With respect, Andrey Savichev/CGS

CGS is just one of the semi-amateur teams so far, despite energetic
efforts, not yielding results ;)

19 Feb 98 22:26, Eugene Malkov reported All about {That's all that I have the honor
to report about my project.}:

EM> post me data, approximately in this form:
EM> Product name, type, group name, city, estimated

It seems that Andrey Savichev is collecting similar data for the FAQ about zx-makers :-?

EM> It is best to collect statistics on small traders regionally, it is easier
EM> for large traders to do this,

It is unlikely that large traders will provide information about their actual
competitors. Example - XL-Design and f. Scorpio have relations with the whole country, but
they will not reveal their connections (for obvious reasons). And they will do the right thing :))

Although the rest of the idea, of course, is long overdue (in connection with the departure of
Inforkom).

Warm greetings, Slava!

20 Feb 98 12:36, Andrew Savichev reported All about {This is all that I have the honor
to report about my project.}:

>> And as a “special note” I propose to make exclusively .TAR
>> versions of products.

AS> And with your protection method you will revive the cassette player as a standard
AS> device ;)

No, because in my tap I can customize the files as I want, and the user
won’t even know when and what is loaded. Okay, I don’t like tap -
use z80+dat, or fdi with super large track sizes, or
microdrive files. In short, the point is that the “virtual” media does not have an analog
on real Spec.

[By the way, I just imagined how a person would play UFO or HF from a tape recorder and for some reason it became very funny :))))))]

SN>> it will succeed, but it will not enliven the scene and will not adequately pay for the work of the authors.
SN>> Only SOS is suitable for this role.

AL> Why, let the network play the role of an exchange, where something like
AL> trading will take place, any information will be given. When creating a single such organization,
AL> all traders will receive timely information about upcoming products, and
AL> then, at the same time, almost the pre-products themselves. One of the bad qualities
AL> of the current Spectrum software market is the chaos inherent everywhere and always,
AL> and this project will put an end to the mess. After all, Slava did something similar
AL> and it’s already working.

What did he do? - Sell the game of the year to the ten largest traders. Will
they take other products? How many traders took the COUNTRY OF OZ, even with the demo version? Yeah.

In short, this will extend the Spectrum's life for a couple of days, and in any case it won't
do any harm. But the goal of SOS is much more global.

SN> What did he do? - Sell the game of the year to the top ten traders.
SN> Will they take other products? How many traders took the COUNTRY OF OZ,
SN> even if there was a demo version? Yeah.

Sereg, if the number of traders who submitted applications is large, then the price for
the final trader will be small, but if the author asked for an absurd amount for a
project that is not worth it, then of course he will at least learn from the coalition that
there are applications, but the price is not satisfactory. Also, the author may
offer to sell not the distribution right, but the finished disks with the program, if he is not satisfied with the price. The main task of the coalition is to connect everyone into one network, so that Fido and the Internet fully work for the benefit of the Spectrum, so that the authors of the software do not languish in the unknown, and do not decide to give up everything because of this. We first need to try to launch this project, and then maybe
SOS can be established on its basis, the main thing is clearly established operational
communication between everyone.

SN> In short, this will extend the life of the Spectrum for a couple of days, and in any case
SN> it won’t hurt in any way. But the goal of SOS is much more global.

Perhaps we first need to sort out the connection. And then the following picture: 1. the author
released the software, and does not know who can buy it, and if only a few buy it, then
the final price for the trader is high, 2. the trader does not know where to buy the software, and
is forced to take itwhere you have to. And everything in this spirit, in short, it’s not orderly.

Friday February 20, 1998 16:15, Igor Gruzdev wrote to Vyacheslav Mednonogov:

IG> Can emulators working with tap be able to read headless/left-handed
IG> (for example, turbo) downloads?

There is also the tzx format - packed voc as it were. The size is normal for a tape, but all
protections work.

IG> P.S. Gee, I thought - all these projects will drive spec into the stone age -
IG> first taps, then voc, in order to record on tape, then a limitation (only
IG> 48k). %-)

Why? For example, for Shalaev you can optimize a program for 2 mega memory - another way to protect network software. There is no longer any need to achieve compatibility of
software for virtualization with all types of emulators; it is enough that it works on at least
one of them (a decent one, of course).

Sincerely, Dmitry (OLDMAN).
ZXNet: 095/100.1
old...@i-connect.ru

EM> find large enough ones to make the most expeditious delivery
EM> along already established paths through them to the small ones.

[missing...]

That's right. But Andrey is right - the network has nothing to do with it. This is your business as a trader.
It’s just not clear what prevented you from reaching an agreement among yourself when Specky was, let’s say, more popular? At one time, Kano managed to create such a network of traders-hackers. It doesn’t matter that it’s pirated, it really worked, brought
real profit (at least for Kano himself ;) By the way, he has also already tried the system of
greetings-faks and, in my opinion, to no avail. So,
look for a leader, look for members... and what begins with general conversations ends with them. In 99.9 percent of cases, as Ivan would say ;)

EM> This will work, the way it works now in Donetsk.

I see how it works in Donetsk ;) Two beggars (I’m exaggerating ;), but proud
traders and next to him an overweight pirate, whom our two eagles
can’t even kick out of the market...

Or are you also proposing punitive measures against pirates - no accept
them into the association, not allow them to trade _and_ legally? I don’t think that the
authors will agree if the pirate regularly pays interest/purchases consignments of goods.

EM> Hasta la vista.
EM> TimKelly

DG> You're right here. Network software should be either only for virtuals, i.e.
DG> work only on emulators

[skippy]

How is this? Everything that works on emulators can be easily transferred to the real Spectrum.

VM> is really well “protected
VM> from modification and research”, it will not be able to appear in
VM> non-virtuals (in fact, who today would come up with the idea of ​​“playing with a
VM> tape recorder” on a real
VM> Spec). But this format is understood by all
VM> emulators without exception.

With the best, Denis.

Saturday February 21, 1998 02:43, Vyacheslav Mednonogov wrote to Andrew Savichev:

VM> No, because in my tap I can customize the files as I want, and
VM> the user will not even know when and what is loaded. Okay, don't
VM> like tap - use z80+dat, or fdi with super large
VM> track sizes, or microdrive files. In short, the point is that the “virtual”
VM> media has no analogue on the real Spec.

Hurray! “Ripe”, finally ;) (however, I was in a hurry with the advance... :)

VM> [By the way, I just imagined how a person would play UFO or CV
VM> from a tape recorder and for some reason it became very funny :)))))) ]

Especially if hundreds of downloads following each other are scattered across the
“tape” ;)

TY> it's free and won't pay money (for example, it wouldn't even occur to me
TY> to pay money for what I've already received - and let them scold me in
TY> greetings, it won't stop me from sleeping peacefully at night)

Moreover, who knows that you got it for free :) If you don't
tell it yourself...

With warm regards, Glory!

VS> That: All What more or less interesting works should appear in, say,
VS> the next six months?

You can estimate:

in St. Petersburg - IMHO, nothing serious: Netwalk, Voleyball, perhaps Mortal
Combat (for ZX or Sprinter :), all kinds of network software is being written...

from what ran through the echoes, the coolest ones are WORMS - but if there really are no weapons or explosions there yet, then the work will drag on for a long time :(

in general, the most promising group should come out with the most products
Digital Reality (from the words “to promise a lot” :)

Warm greetings, Slava!

EM>> regionally, this is easiest for large traders to do,

VM> It is unlikely that large traders will provide information about their
VM> actual competitors. Example - XL-Design and f. Scorpio have
VM> relations with the whole country, but they will not reveal their connections (for obvious
VM> reasons). And they will do the right thing :))

Well, if they have the opportunity to buy expensively, please do so. We can't do that, and we want to distribute the cost among smaller ones, so the program
will look into every corner of the country. As far as I know, XL-Design works only with
traders, they buy from the authors for a good price, so let them work that way.
Of course, you don’t have to publish data about small traders, let the big ones
take care of distribution among them.

VM> Although the rest of the idea, of course, is long overdue (in connection with the departure of
VM> Inforcom).

So let’s decide something. There are hordes of “unregistered” traders to whom
you can sell the program if it is _cheap_ (they won’t buy it expensive, but will go
to hackers).

Sunday February 22, 1998 17:46, Sergei Novikov wrote to Dmitry Grigoryev:

SN> How is this? Everything that works on emulators can be easily transferred to the real
SN> Spectrum.

There is an excellent Shalaev emulator with an open architecture (by the way, sos or whatever
it will be called, I hope they will support emulator developers ;), on which it is very easy to write an add-on, which is like an electronic
key. Or, more simply put, configure a non-existent Spectrum model (ideally, impossible in principle). Slava, what do you think of this idea?

I greet you from the bottom of my heart, Andrew!

Fri Feb 20 1998, Andrew Savichev squeezed the keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach All:

AS> It is possible, but how will you ensure it? Here, after all, “a wolf, a goat and
AS> cabbage” in the sense of “trader, user, author” ;)

Thanks for the comparison :( So I’m a wolf? I’ll keep it in mind for the future. :(

EM>> this product is authored. This will allow traders to assess their strengths and
EM>> prepare to purchase the next product.

VS> This point should be the first, not the fifth. Otherwise it turns out that you
VS> are going to share the skin of not only a bear that has not yet been killed, but also a bear that has not yet been
VS> born. ;)

Unless lists of traders are collected and published in all publications,
many authors will never know who to turn to for help. The authors should
find traders, and not the other way around (IMHO).

VS> First there would be something to distribute or projects that are at least worthwhile
VS> then we can discuss how best to do it.

I greet you from the bottom of my heart, Dmitry!

Sun Feb 22, 1998, Dmitry Grigoryev squeezed the keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach Eugene
Malkov:

EM>> will do! Here in Donetsk, a left-wing merchant freely
EM>> sells broken products, such as: ZX-Format, Spectrofon,
EM>> ULO-2, X-Reversy, etc., i.e. products released by quite
EM>> respected people. Come, clean up the face of the merchant or whatever
EM>> you are going to fight there.

DG> If the authors are not very worried about this, then these are your problems - this is
DG> your city and it steals from you.

What can you say about CHV - doesn’t bother anyone either?

And to be honest, that’s why STEP fell apart because you didn’t think about the future,
you thought that having received money from trader, everything was transferred to him! And if, because of
pirates, your programs do not pay off, then next time the trader will not take
them from you. Everything here is very interconnected, the author->trader->buyer,
and the pirate who upsets the balance hits the _author_ first of all!

DG> That's right. But Andrey is right - the network has nothing to do with it. These are your
DG> trading affairs. It’s just not clear what was stopping you from communicating with each other

Again ours, traders... But where are you, authors, good for if the trader is not
distributing your software? Dems, are they sculpting something wretched, or are they frivolous?to please pirates? Honestly, I had a better opinion of you, don’t you really understand such simple things? And this comes from OLDMAN, who was on Spec when I was still walking under the table (on Spec, of course)!

DG> agree when Specky was, let’s say, more popular? Here Kano
DG> at one time managed to create such a network of traders-hackers. It doesn’t matter
DG> that it was pirated, it really worked, brought real profit (in
DG> in any case, to Kano himself ;) By the way, they too
DG> have already tested the system of grittings-faks and, in my opinion, to no avail. So, look for the leader,
DG> look for the members... and what begins with general conversations ends with them
DG>. In 99.9 percent of cases, as Ivan would say ;)

Here we are talking about saving the Spectrum, and you divide into ours and yours, shame on you!

Yes... A goose is not a pig's friend. ;(

VM> In this case, it will make sense to work for two markets
VM> - for emulators and
VM> for “realists” and the interests of “real”
VM> traders will not be infringed
There is no place for “realists” on the network, or what? =I

All the best.
Regards Roman Milukov.

VM> No, because in my tap I can customize the files as I want, and the user
VM> won’t even know when and what is loaded. Okay, I don’t like tap -
VM> use z80+dat, or fdi with super large track sizes, or
VM> microdrive files. In short, the point is that the “virtual” media does not
VM> have an analogue on the real Spec.

VM> [By the way, I just imagined how a person would play UFO or HF with a
VM> tape recorder and for some reason it became very funny :)))))) ]
And how will he work with network mail? :). :)))

AS>> goat and cabbage" in the sense of "trader, user, author" ;)

EM> Thanks for the comparison :( So I'm a wolf? I'll keep it in mind for the future. :(

And the users have finally been called goats! :))
Sincerely
┬ ┬┌┐┬┐ ┐┬┬
╨╜╨╙╜╨╙ ╨ ╨

Monday February 23 1998 17:41, Eugene Malkov ─── Andrew Savichev:

AS>> It’s possible, but how will you ensure it? Here, after all, there is “a wolf, a goat and
AS>> cabbage” in the sense of “trader, user, author” ;)

I greet you from the bottom of my heart, Vladimir!

Tue Feb 24, 1998, Vladimir Yudin squeezed the keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach Eugene Malkov
:

AS>>> It is possible, but how will you ensure it? Here, after all, “the wolf,
AS>>> the goat and the cabbage” in the sense of “trader, user, author” ;)

EM> and will not take them from you. Everything here is very interconnected,
EM> author->> trader->buyer, and the pirate who upsets the balance hits
EM> first of all the _author_!

Yeah, and the author hits the buyer, and the buyer hits the trader. That's how dinosaurs became extinct:(

Warm greetings, Slava!

EM> What can you say about ChV - doesn’t bother anyone either?

That is, in other words, are you suggesting that someone go “clean their face” for ChV, and
at the same time (since they’ve already stopped by) remember other sins? ;)

EM> And to be honest, STEP fell apart because you didn’t think about

To be honest, only
Step people know why Step closed (and didn’t collapse). Just like what we were thinking about in this.

EM> future, we believed that having received money from the trader, we transferred everything to
EM> him! What if

Of course. I am _sure_ that the job of authors is to write programs, to produce a product. But trading is the job of traders, and dealing with competitors is the same. In any case, it’s funny for me to watch you try to blame the authors for the fact that
there’s a pirate right next to you selling their programs. The example of Slava is an example of the senile state to which the Spectrum market has sunk. It would be better if he spent the energy that he spends on distributing his program on
making the next one.

EM> because of pirates, your programs don’t pay off, so next time

Not because of pirates, but because of the slowness of some traders ;) You don’t
buy, because _now_ it’s late (and before what were you thinking). SPF received
also, almost guessing the day they were declared frivolous, two to three months later
others. At the same time, everyone else, who rushed in time, allpaid off.

EM> trader and will not take them from you. Everything here is very interconnected,

author->> trader->buyer, and the pirate who upsets the balance hits first

EM> the _author_!

Yes. Beats. But for some reason, the trader is the one who worries the most ;) Can you lift a finger yourself? Do you want to do advertising, anti-advertising? I understand that it’s more pleasant
to slow down, receive the finished product and resell it at a profit, and if without profit
because it’s frivolous, then don’t sell it at all, lest someone
think something bad...

19 Feb 98 Tim Yunaev hoping that Andrew Savichev will read,
wrote:

TY> If the product is completely freeware, then the author can
TY> don’t give a damn about its
TY> distribution.
You can. But does the author really care whether his creation is popular? (Although this question is probably not on this topic anymore.)

DG> Not because of pirates, but because of the slowness of some traders ;) ZH you
DG> don’t buy because _now_ it’s too late (what were you thinking before).
DG> I also received SPF, almost guessing the day they were declared frivolous,
DG> two or three months later than others. At the same time, everyone else, who rushed in on time
DG>, paid for everything.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Well, remember how many angry letters
from traders you had to respond to!

Listen, I would be ashamed to stutter about SPF, ask Matveev when we they contacted him! Enough about SPF, you didn’t show your best side there and you
know it! We have already paid for it, and for a long time. And when ZH came out, I was still like
Robinson Crusoe on a desert island - I knew a couple of places where to buy software and
read Spectrophone, eagerly awaiting the next issue. By the way, I was so naive then that I thought that all the traders bought it from you.

DG> Yes. Beats. But for some reason, the trader is the one who worries the most ;) And
DG> can you lift a finger? Do you want to do advertising, anti-advertising? I understand
DG> that it’s more pleasant to slow down, receive the finished product and resell it with
DG> profit, and if without profit, because it’s frivolous, then don’t sell
DG> at all, lest someone think something bad...

And if you were selling copies, you’d be worried, right? Which onedifference? Who will you give it to distribute next time if due to your negligence the product does not pay for itself? Stop insulting me, there is a limit to everything. There were people who only supported you, the authors, so you immediately trampled them into the dirt! Well, who are you
after this? Don't you want to apologize? If you're not a decent person, then don't do it,
I understand, I've seen a lot of people like that. And if you’re decent, think about your
words in your spare time...

DG> Nowhere, for now... But these matters, nevertheless, remain precisely those of traders.
DG> A shoemaker should sew boots, and not organize trade in them, and
DG> at the same time in sausage. It is precisely you who propose that the authors
DG> themselves organize both trade in their own and other people’s goods, and protect your
DG> wallet from thieves. Why, forgive me, do they need you? Put it on the market
DG> when everything is ready, they will always find someone.

And thank God if the author can do everything himself! I'm just glad! In the meantime, this is not the case, so be it, I will help you, unless you completely turn me away from this with your vile hints!

DG> Don’t rush to consider me a fool. More than once you'll get a smack from me
DG> ;)

If you get to work, I'm always glad. But not because of stupidity. Sorry, but I am personally very
offended by your words, with which you put me lower than pirates, in vain :(

DG> traders. Great! What will this give to virtualspektrumists, the main
DG> subscribers of this echo, those whom you ask for support? Understand the main thing
DG> - it’s stupid and sometimes even ugly to ask for something without even making
DG> an attempt to _interest_. And don't shame me, I'm still young ;) I don't share the goal
DG> of "saving the Spectrum". I share different ways to achieve it. And
DG> I advise you not to engage in verbiage, like me, but directly
DG> in business, like Alex, for example.

I got busy with business, but you’re in vain about verbiage - you said a lot of smart things,
it’s just quite difficult to catch them due to the numerous attacks on
traders!
And virtuals, by the way, either write magazines, or other programs, or
buy software! If you missed my letter, where I asked you to send data about
preparing products for later publication - there is no point in chatting in vain,
read the database again!

DG> So how will he understand if you are silent? ;) Am I doomed all my life
DG> to teach you the basics of trading? ;) A broken CV appeared. What does
DG> a normal trader, the owner of licensed versions do - even more
DG> increases the already loud advertising of the author's version, starts
DG> anti-advertising of the pirated version: "ONLY FROM US YOU CAN PURCHASE THE AUTHOR'S,
DG> FULLY WORKABLE, WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF EXCHANGE...", lets rumor
DG> that it’s a pirateThe site is impenetrable, like all the other hacked ones,
DG> lowers the price, finally... gives in addition to the CV a “free” disk with
DG> frivolous news, newspapers, fresh releases... And so on and
DG> the like... What are you doing? You shout to the whole world, you can say
DG> that the CV was broken, broken cleanly... and in general, Slava is leaving Speccy and
DG> life loses its meaning, at the same time you are blaspheming SOS, it is unclear what
DG> has to do with piracy;( You actually thought that by declaring that
DG> “your” hack is passable, you are actually giving a signal for the spread
DG> to hackers who hacked the CV, but retained their conscience and did not give it to anyone?
DG> Now you simply _have_ to check your gossip :-/

Everything has been verified, I did not give unverified data. And everything that you wrote here has already been done, there is really no need to teach us about Echo in Donetsk, and not one of them will stoop to shouting in the market. the hacked
version is passable, especially since there are glitches in it...

DG> Everything can be controlled - only two ways - the carrot and the stick.

For a big mouth you need a big carrot, and the same stick for a fat ass!
And some people suggested handing out carrots to all the pirates here. unlimited
quantities...

DG> The example of Slava is an example of the senile state to which
DG> the Spectrum market has sunk. It would be better if he spent the energy that he spends on
DG> distributing his program on making the next one.

Hmm, I have nothing to complain about. Moreover, if, according to tradition, the focus
would have been only on St. Petersburg, then it would definitely have turned out to be a “senile
state” - IMHO, this year in terms of total volume, St. Petersburg is about a third
(either everything goes to the PC, or 30 rubles is too expensive, or the advertising
has really let us down...).

With warm greetings, Glory!

DG>> doomed to teach you the basics of trading? ;) A broken CV appeared. What
DG>> does a normal trader, the owner of licensed versions -
DG>> further increase the already loud advertising of the author's
DG>> version, starts anti-advertising for the pirated version: "ONLY WITH US YOU CAN
DG>> PURCHASE THE AUTHOR'S, FULLY WORKABLE, WITH THE OPPORTUNITY
DG>> EXCHANGE...", starts a rumor that the pirated version is impassable,
DG>> like all the other hacked ones, lowers the price, finally... gives in
DG>> in addition to the CV a "free" disk with frivolous news, newspapers,
DG>> fresh releases... And so on and so forth... What are you doing
DG>>? You shout to the whole world, you can say that the CV was broken, broken
DG>> purely... and in general, Slava leaves Speckie and life loses its meaning,
DG>> at the same time you vilify SOS, it is unclear what it has to do with
DG>> piracy;( You actually thought that by declaring that “your”
DG>> hack is passable, you are actually giving a signal to
DG>> distribution to hackers who hacked the CV, but retained their conscience and
DG>> not giving it to anyone? Now you simply _have_ to check your
DG>> gossip :-/

EM> Everything has been verified, I did not give unverified data.And everything that you
EM> wrote here has already been done, there is really no need to teach us. Echo in
EM> Donetsk is read by five people, and not one of them will stoop to
EM> shouting in the market that the hacked version is passable, especially since there are
EM> glitches in it...

...no! I went through it myself! And if it has glitches, then it’s not a
Lugansk crack! :-(((((((

%-)

EM> Why does Slava spread it himself? Because I'm not sure that he will be able
EM> to get this money if he sells distributions! List

Do you know why you’re not sure? Now I’ll show you:

EM> there aren’t many traders, and he wouldn’t sell the distribution kit for more than $40.

$40=250 rubles, divided by 30=8 copies. You didn't sell 8 copies of CV when you said you served 40 people last weekend? This is from the story that you couldn’t
sell 10 sets of SPF... (I wonder what you sell to so many people if you don’t sell frivolous software?) Well, come on, just like an honest trader, how much did you earn? Or I will find out and distort it myself.

EM> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ well, remember how many
EM> angry
EM> letters from traders you had to answer!

How many _letters_? Well, it’s hard to say - you’re the only one who wrote dozens ;) From
how many traders? You are the second.

EM> Listen, I would be ashamed to stutter about SPF, ask Matveev when

No, I won’t be ashamed. I'm proud of them :)

EM> Enough about SPF, you didn't show your best side there and you
EM> know that!

Oh, well? Isn’t the magazine interesting?

EM> We have already paid for it, and a long time ago.

Which was what needed to be proven. Maybe now you will be ashamed to mention SPF?

EM> And when ZH came out, I was still like Robinson Crusoe on the desert

Am I to blame for this too?

EM> By the way, I was so naive back then that I thought that all the dealers
EM> bought it from you.

What do you mean?

EM> And if you were selling copies, you would be worried, right? What's the difference?

I don't understand...

EM> Who will you give distribution to next time if, due to your
EM> negligence, the product does not pay for itself? Stop insulting me, there is everything

Am I insulting you? 8-() You react too painfully when I show your
shortcomings as a trader... Do you have any complaints against me as a programmer and
author?

EM> limit. There were people who only supported you, the authors, so
EM> you immediately trampled them into the dirt!

It begins... You trampled them into the dirt... When the arguments end, there is nothing left
but to be offended and demand an apology:

EM> Well, who are you after that? Don't you want to apologize? If you are not a decent
EM> person, then don’t, I understand, I’ve seen many like that. And if
EM> is decent, think about your words at your leisure...

I always think about my words. Moreover, before I pronounce them. It seems to me that you yourself have already understood what you have done ;)

EM> And thank God if the author can do everything himself! I'm just glad! In the meantime
EM> this is not so, so be it, I will help you, if you don’t turn me completely away from
EM> this with your vile hints!

Well, thank you, you are our benefactor;)

EM>> that I’m not sure that he will be able to get this money if he
EM>> sells distributions! The list of traders is not large, and he would not sell the distribution for more than
EM>> for $40. When making a product,
EM>> cooperate with traders, then you will get a result in which
EM>> _SELF_ are interested! It’s not for us to pull your ears!

SI> Pull! At one time, we didn’t offer Smagl to anyone!

To whom? I didn’t hear.

SI> Black Raven left without my knowledge, because Dima promised
SI> Zhenya money for crack, but what could I offer Zhenya, having neither money nor
SI> news?

Isn’t this the Dima I know? And Zhenya should have been hit on the head, for
a disgrace to the whole group and kicked out to hell!

EM> Well, you shouldn’t be so sure! If you write good programs with good protection,
EM> there will be money.

The key phrase is “with good protection”. You raised an interesting question - should the author _seriously_ be concerned with protecting his program?
Everyone, of course, understands - copyright, the laws of the Russian Federation, but in reality...

So: "Doesn't the author provoke hackers and pirates if he is negligent in
protecting his program?"

Warm greetings, Slava!

SI> Black Raven left without my knowledge, because Dima promised Zhenya money for crack
SI> I hope it will be of use to him... I wonder what money in Lugansk
they will sell their own mother for?

Warm greetings, Slava!

SI>> Zhenya
SI>> money,

VM> I hope it will be of use to him... I wonder for what money in
VM> Lugansk they will sell their own mother?

Slav, don’t pay attention, _normal_ traders will always trade
the proprietary version, and a _normal_ hacker is not so blind that it got out of
under his nose a program that he didn’t want to give to anyone. :-))) Damn, just like in the days of ninjas: night, computer, a bunch of floppy disks, a rope by the window, an open window, a black silhouette, the disk is copied and stolen. :-)))) Well, in mass publications and programs it would be nice to cover all this nasty action in full, so that it would be ashamed. If only the STAGE would do this.

With respect, Alex from FFC COMPUTERS.

>e-mail: as...@usa.net

I greet you from the bottom of my heart, Dmitry!

Sun Mar 01 1998, Dmitry Grigoryev squeezed the keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach Eugene
Malkov:

EM>> Why does Slava spread it himself? Because I'm not sure that he will be able
EM>> to get this money if he sells distributions! List

DG> Do you know why you’re not sure? Now I’ll show you:

EM>> there are not many traders, and he wouldn’t sell the distribution kit for more than $40
EM>>.

It’s just that I, for example, no longer have free money. Everyone understands that
it is more profitable to sell copies, but wholesale (the distribution kit can be called that) has always and
everywhere been much cheaper.

DG> $40=250 rubles, divided by 30=8 copies. You didn't sell 8 copies of CV when
DG> you said you served 40 people last weekend? This is from that
DG> opera that you couldn’t sell 10 sets of SPF... (It’s interesting that you
DG> generally sell to so many people if you don’t sell frivolous software
DG>?) Well, come on, like an honest trader, how much did you earn?
DG> Or I’ll find out and distort it myself.

I can count: we’ve sold so far 48 sets of CVs.
Translated into Ukrainian hryvnia, one copy costs 7.00 hryvnia, we sell for
10.00. Taking into account the payment for transportation, we have 2.50 hryvnia per copy.

2.50 x 48 = 120 hryvnia

This allowed us to purchaseseveral author's products (in particular,
to pay for the translation for The Wizard of Oz, which is still going to the author:( )

As for SPF - 12 copies of the 22nd issue and 15 of the 23rd were sold. Not a lot, but
it paid off over time (this despite the fact that we should not have sold them at such
a high price, since they are already frivara, but we had to :(. )

DG> What was required to be proven. Maybe now you will be ashamed to mention
DG> SPF?

No, nothing shameful was done on my part.

I greet you from the bottom of my heart, Alex!

Mon Mar 02 1998, Alex Letaev squeezed the keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach Vyacheslav
Mednonogov:

AL> Slav, don’t pay attention, _normal_ traders will always
AL> trade the proprietary version, and a _normal_ hacker is not so blind,
AL> that a program had disappeared from under his nose, which he did not want to give to anyone.
AL> :-))) Damn, just like in the days of the ninjas: night, a computer, a bunch of floppy disks,
AL> a rope by the window, an open window, a black silhouette, a disk is copied and
AL> is stolen. :-)))) Well, in mass publications and programs it would be nice to cover all
AL> this disgusting action in full
AL> so that it would be ashamed. If only the STAGE would take care of this.

That’s right, I’m shocked myself, but take into account what they _themselves_ told
about it! I reported only about Lugansk, and there are a lot of people there... Maybe indeed
some of them didn’t want to, but they treated it negligently, left it to chance, didn’t tell anyone about
it :(

It’s a shame, of course, like the authors themselves... We started distributing
Smagli3, now it’s clear that we personally won’t work on it anymore, all
letters that came about distribution to my address will be Forwarded to
authors without comment.

VM> The key phrase is “with good protection.” You
VM> raised an interesting question - should the author _seriously_ be concerned with protecting his
VM> program?
VM> Everyone, of course, understands - copyright law, the laws of the Russian Federation, but in reality...

Oh, if only our laws worked... By the way, in relation to foreign
products, there are no laws at all in Ukraine! So you can’t grab anyone by the ass (sorry) according to the law!

VM> So: “Doesn’t the author provoke hackers and pirates if the author
VM> is careless about protecting his program?”

It does, Slava, unfortunately :(

I repeat, what exactly is my fault? I'm sitting writing DEPTH magazine, and outside my doors, at least trade with your relatives! I write a magazine and that's it! The rest is not interesting to me!
If you want to know the address of the person who broke it, I’ll give it to you. If you want, deal with it yourself, we don’t buy software, we don’t sell it, and we don’t deal with it. Got it?
So figure it out first, and then attack! The fact that we have such a “bias” is no secret to anyone, that our city is the leader in crime in Ukraine, and where else would “black” hackers breed here. But this is one in 10. Because of one, everyone should suffer? What do you think?

EM>>> money will also be protection. Why does fame spread itself? Because
EM>>> I’m not sure that he will be able to get this money if he
EM>>> sells distributions! The list of traders is not large, and he would not sell the distribution for more than
EM>>> for $40. When making a product,
EM>>> cooperate with traders, then you will get a result in which
EM>>> _SELF_ are interested! It’s not for us to pull your ears!

Slava, tightening up the defense is a useless exercise. Imagine an arms race, where one side is building up cannons, and the other is improving shields.
Moreover, the former do not forget to shoot at the enemy from time to time, when for the sake of warning, when they have destroyed a couple of populated areas. This is stupid in itself, and in our conditions it is a loss for the defender. There is no end here,
since the days of inventions in the field of protection are long gone (on the Spectrum with
a disk drive), and hacking technology has already grown so much that it prevents
all possible combinations of modern protection methods with a reserve. Yes, you can increase the time spent on hacking more and more... So what? After all, the shelling continues, the other side suffers losses and is forced to patch up the holes. If
this time is simply long, first several “under-hacks” appear, they
will help freeloaders hold out until a clean hack, and will scare traders away from
hasty purchases... If the time exceeds the limit that is reasonable for a cracker... This
is more difficult to do than it seems at first glance. I think the excess will be
unbearable for both - the crackers and the authors. That is, you can tinker with your program for months without any guarantee that you didn’t miss a little clue that allows a cracker to break or bypass the protection in half an hour. Or after
a couple of months you will see the mistake yourself andyou will start over again... Not on any platform have you yet managed to achieve victory by shielding your brainchild with your own chest.

Ugh... Poor defense does not provoke a cracker. Pirates are provoked only
by the cost of the product, and crackers can either be bought, or offended, or hurt their
professional pride by making a really cool defense and saying
“Weak?” The latter can be protected using approximately the same methods. And the author should
be careless about his own glitches and, in general, the quality of the product, and not
waste energy and nerves on a meaningless race.

This is a theory. Practice shows that releasing a commercial product without protection
on the Spectrum is now either pointless or impossible (I mean the absence
of a civilized market). Protection gives, in our conditions, some “time to collect
money,” but... half measures are all, bloomers, I would say ;)

VM> With warm greetings,
VM> Slava!

PS: I, of course, do not exclude the situation when the author likes to engage in protection
and distribution, especially if he is good at it. But this is not relevant to the topic, is it? :)

EM> That's it, I'm shocked myself, but take into account that they _themselves_
EM> told
EM> about it! I reported only about Lugansk, and there are a lot of people there... Maybe
EM> really,
EM> some didn’t want to, but they treated it negligently, left it to chance,
EM> no one was informed about
EM> this was not reported :(

If the hacker was able to break the CV, which is very, very difficult, then he was probably
able to track the fate of the broken version.

EM> It’s a shame, of course, it seems and the authors themselves... We are here
EM> distributing
EM> Smagli3, now it is clear that we personally will not work on this anymore,
EM> all
EM> letters received regarding distribution to my address will be
EM> forwarded
EM> to the authors without comment.

Yeah.

I greet you from the bottom of my heart, Alex!

Thu Mar 05 1998, Alex Letaev squeezed the keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach Eugene Malkov
AL> If a hacker was able to break the CV, which is very, very difficult, then probably
AL> he was able to track the fate of the broken version.

Of course, there was time and opportunity...

I greet you from the bottom of my heart, Stanley!

Wed Mar 04 1998, Stanley Ivanenko squeezed the keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach Eugene
Malkov:

EM>> To whom? I haven’t heard of it.

SI> I told everyone about it a year ago, from Magic Soft to XL-design
SI>! There was no reaction. :-(

Strange, have you seen Forwards? People can buy them.

Do you remember 06 Mar 98 at 00:29, Tim Kelly wrote a message for Stanley Ivanenko:

TK> So what is Dima!?

The only one who goes to Lugansk to trade.

From reliable sources I know of two more broken versions: so
what? - these people still haven't let the genie out of the bottle. Those. we are talking
rather about attitude towards each other (about mutual respect?) ...

Warm greetings, Slava!

SI> I repeat, what exactly is my fault? I'm sitting writing DEPTH magazine, and behind my
SI> doors, at least trade with your family! I write a magazine and that's it! The rest is not
SI> interesting to me!

Yes, nothing was said about you - your group does not
cause any emotions in me...

SI> So you figure it out first, and then attack! The fact that we have a “bias”
SI> is no secret to anyone, that our city is the leader in crime in
SI> Ukraine, and where else if not here will “black” hackers breed.

That’s what I thought - in fact, that’s why I asked. Those. to the city, which is “the leader in
crime in Ukraine,” another shameful stigma will not
cause much damage.

SI> . Because of one thing, everyone has to suffer? What do you think?

Do you think that only I should suffer? xpeh!

Warm greetings, Slava!

Then I somehow come and see on Sunday March 15, 1998 01:15, Vyacheslav
Mednonogov wrote Alex Letaev,
VM> Hardly negligent - they just did it as always :(

Listen, my question may be off topic,
from my friend I heard that from ZXNet there is a gate in FIDO, but from FIDO is there in
ZXNet?
If there is, what is the name of the echo, and in general I would at least read what they
write about.

VM> From reliable sources, I know about two more broken
VM> versions: so what? - these people still “have not let the genie out of the
VM> bottle. That is, we are talking more about the relationship to each other (about mutual
VM>). respect?) ...
Yes...
Once upon a time I had a Scorpion, I even remember how I bought UFO I from you on
Kazakova, those were cool times, romance... and now the computer does almost
everything itself, but it just doesn’t press the buttons yet ;)

All the best! Sergei Micheev.

P.S. "It all starts with someone's dream."

VM> From reliable sources I know of two more broken versions:
VM> so what? - these people still haven't let the genie out of the bottle. That is,
VM> we are talking more about attitude towards each other (about mutual respect?) ...

Perhaps even more people have cheated the CV, but they will keep these versions for themselves without
any dissemination, and they cheated for interest. Another thing is when it goes on sale, it’s already very bad. And good hackers are vigilant.

VM> From reliable sources I know of two more broken versions:
VM> so what? - these people still haven't let the genie out of the bottle. That is,
VM> we are talking more about attitude towards each other (about mutual respect?) ...

SM> Listen, my question may be off-topic,
SM> from my friend I heard that from ZXNet there is a gate in FIDO, but from FIDO
SM> in ZXNet?

If you are talking about the St. Petersburg network (SpbZXNet), then the gate is conducted at least through
5030/399.12 (Igor Gruzdev). Ask him about the gating conditions (most likely
you will have to get a point at /399 ;)).

SM> If there is, what is the name of the echo, and in general I would at least
SM> read what they write about there.

If you are comfortable reading mail “in manual mode”, then call Roman
Alexandrov or again Igor on the BBS (1356205, from 0 to 8) and enjoy :) There, IMHO,
almost all St. Petersburg echoes are there:
SpbZXNet.general; .games; .code; .love; ........ etc.

SM> Once upon a time I had a Scorpion, I even remember how I bought UFO I from you at
SM> Kazakova, cool times, romance...

Yes-ah, there will be something to remember in the landfill :)

Warm greetings, Slava!

AL> good hackers

“A good hacker is a dead hacker” ;))

Warm greetings, Slava!

DG> Slava, tightening up the protection is a useless exercise.

/long-and-another skip/

DG> And the author needs to be careless about his own glitches and
DG> in general, the quality of the product, and not waste energy and nerves on a meaningless
DG> race.

Like: “If the protection is still broken6, then there is no need to do it at all.” I wish
I would have listened to you (if we had touched on the topic somewhere at the end of last year ;))

DG> This is a theory. Practice shows that releasing a commercial product
DG> without protection on the Spectrum is now either pointless or impossible

“Closer to the body” (c) Why then did you make such a long speech
before this footnote?

With warm greetings, Slava!

VM> “A good hacker is a dead hacker” ;))

In vain. From a good hacker, and not a pirate, the author will not have any problems, and Spectrumists will have excellent branded software. A hacker-pirate doesn't fit
this definition, but that's something else.

AS> Slogan of the day:
AS> “Let’s turn pirates into traders using SNS!” :)

It would be good if it were real.

I greet you from the bottom of my heart, Alex!

Fri Mar 20 1998, Alex Letaev squeezed the keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach Vyacheslav
Mednonogov:

VM>> “A good hacker is a dead hacker” ;))

AL> In vain. From a good hacker, and not a pirate, the author will not have any
AL> problems, and spektrumists will have excellent branded software.
AL> A hacker-pirate does not fit this definition, but that’s another thing.

Yeah.