SPRINTER

MF> sistemu i play. A dlya chego bol'shinstvo narodu pokupaet PCyuk?

To play.

MF> Teper' pereidem k developmentu. Well, skazhem, sovsem ya oxrenel ot
MF> tyazheloi amerikanskoi zhizni, i reshil chto-to napisat' dlya
MF> Sprintera. Bought Sprinter. Poluchayu li ya pri etom kompilyator C/C++?
MF> Otladchik? Normal'nyi tekstovyi redator s podsvetkoi klyuchevyx slov i
MF> pr.? Mozhet byt' integrirovannuyu sredu razrabotchika poluchayu? Net?

It is not good to write in C for such machines. MSword will work, but you need normal
software. :-))))

MF> Nu vot i poluchaetsya, chto zhelezo to golen'koe...Nu idet na nem
MF> Spectrumovskii soft. No ved' etot soft mozhno i na emulyatore zapustit'
MF> - nichut' ne xuzhe, blago emulyaciya Spectruma dostigla nebyvalyx vysot.
MF> :(

And therefore there is not one _complete_ _normal_ simulator yet. :-)))

MF> BbIBOD:

Delastic. :-))))

MF> 1. Esli uzh Vam prispichilo tratit' den'gi na 8bitnuyu mashinu v 1998m
MF> godu, po krainei mere pridelaite k nei CP/M-80. Eto Vam dast nekoe
MF> kol-vo softa, prichem ne igrushek, a nastoyashego softa.

Yeah, RoBoTrOn will work out or something like that. Toto similar computers nowvery
popular. :-)))) I remember the popular saying (delusional): “If your computer doesn’t have Windows, it’s not a computer”! :-)))) This is from the same series.

MF> 2. Bros'te vsyu etu zateyu, poidite na http://www.be.com/ i vstupite v
MF> stroinye ryady poklonnikov BeOSa. Ta zhe obshaya ideya, no zato s
MF> otkrytoi dver'yu v budushee.

By your open door to the future, it turns out that for Sprinter you urgently need to
make Windows and MSword. :-)))))

P.S. Sprinter is a great idea, and the main thing is not to spoil it now!

With respect, Alex from FFC COMPUTERS.

Da, konechno, "igrat'sya" na CP/M-80 nel'zya - tak zachem nam CP/M-80,
pravda? To chto na nee narabotany xot' kakie to sredstva razrabotki (tot
zhe Aztec C, Turbo Pascal, M80/L80, GEN80, i pr.) - eto vse poboku, t.k.
glavnoe dlya nas - eto "igrat'sya" i "programmirovat' v kodax". Nu
tipichnyi ya v 16-letnem vozraste, ei bogu :) Tol'ko mne potom prishlos'
vyrasti.

: MF> 2. Bros'te vsyu etu zateyu, poidite na http://www.be.com/ i vstupite v

Thursday January 15 1998 19:13, Marat Fayzullin ─── All:

: MR>> There must be software at the output of the machine. And it comes for free.
MF>: System - yes. And let's look at the games again.

MF> I what ya, how pol'zovatel', budu delat' s etoi sistemoi? Nabirat' "DIR" i
MF> nablyudat' za tem kak strochechki begut? Uzhe ne govorya o tom chto vot
MF> Vy pod slovom "soft" sudya po vsemu podrazumevaete tol'ko sistemu i play.
MF> A dlya chego bol'shinstvo narodu pokupaet PCyuk? Pravil'no, chtoby
MF> postavit' na nego Mrakosoft Office i nabirat' v Mrakosoft Worde dokumenty
MF> - i.e. v kachestve pechatayushei mashinki. Sprinter pridet s tekstovym
MF> processorom na urovne Mrakosoft Worda?
So, if you just need to “type texts”, then the old Spectrum
can handle it.

Privedite primery sredy programmirovaniya na C dlya Spectruma kotoraya by
po udobstvu priblizhalas'...nu k obolochke TurboC naprimer.
Podrazumevaetsya, konechno, chto na ekran dolzhno vxodit' dostatochnoe
kol-vo bukvochek po gorizontali, chtob tuda vlezali malo-mal'ski slozhnye
stroki na C.

: MF> 1. Esli uzh Vam prispichilo tratit' den'gi na 8bitnuyu mashinu v 1998m

EM> So, if you just need to “type texts”, then the old man
EM> Spectrum can handle it.

And if you need to type not just texts, but a lot texts? Here
you can’t get by with a simple Spectrum. Immediately, iS-DOSes, screws,
multi-megabytes come out....

EM> Is it on the Spectrum to write something in high-level languages???!!!
EM> Well, no, programs for spot-room written in C, I think already
EM> enough...

No, you can write some kind of butt. Especially if the compiler
takes into account the architecture. At least, I saw somewhere
mentions of C for the Z80 family (cross-platform, in the sense
running on another computer, and generating Z80 code), although there
it looks like all this was tailored for the MMU...

Good Luck...

... Don't stamp.

MR> No, you can write some kind of butt. Especially if the
MR> compiler takes the architecture into account. At least, I saw somewhere
MR> mentions about C for the Z80 family (cross-platform, in the sense of
MR> running on another computer, and generating Z80 code)

-
- Cross C-compilers
-
ZCC096.ZIP 252726 12/22/97* [001] zcc 0.96 - free Z80 development package
for DOS (C compiler, peephole optimiser,
assembler, relocating linker)
ZDEMO.EXE 775714 11/17/97 [001] Demo version of the HI-TECH C compiler for
the Z80 family of microcontrollers

Best wishes! Michael KLUG

Oh.. I invited a translator..
And he laughed at me for a long time.
By the way, no offense to ask, why is the text in this form? I have an assumption that you write "YAVERTY" in the standard. So ? If so, I can suggest a Russifier for IBM in this standard. Incl. and for WIN95.

[opu]eno]
The questions posed by you are both important and complex. Serious programs such as Microsoft Office naturally require a lot of work on them. And,
naturally, they cannot be applied to the machine as a free application.
Just look at the official price tag of this program for IBM.
Work on programs for Sprinter has been underway for a long time and is now gaining
momentum.
There will be a text editor, possibly with keyword highlighting.
On Spectrum there were no such editors at all.
I just don’t want to say now that “this and that will happen.”
The machine that we made does not pretend to be the first in everything. But
in the class of Spectrum type cars it is, imho, the first.

MF> BbIBOD:

Vot tut moi znakomyi kupil IBM PC za $1500. Po zdeshnim masshtabam
eto ne ochen' vysokaya cena (i v smysle zarlpaty, i v smysle cen
na IBM PC). S etoi mashinoi Office prishel besplatno.

Oficial'nyi cennik zhe na Office - $199. Eto ne yavlyaetsya ogromnoi
cenoi v US, gde etot Office napisan i prodaetsya. Chtoby Vam bylo
ponyatnee, eto cena 3-4 igrushek.

MR> working on another computer, and generating Z80 code), although there

Hitech is still releasing new commercial versions. They cost from $1000. And not only he, and not only C, but also pascals, forts, even assemblers... But they, at least under CP/M.

MR> it seems that all this was imprisoned under MMU...

What is this? And what's the problem?

MR> Good Luck...

Sincerely, Dmitry (OLDMAN).
ZXNet: 095/100.1
old...@i-connect.ru

DG> What is this? And what's the problem?

so as not to worry about 64k.

Good Luck...

... MinneSota-DOS: You tink so? (Y)ah sure you betcha (I) dunno (U)ff da

MF>: You see, not everyone needs to work with texts this way. Kak ni
MF> strange, vsem (seichas). Ya vsego navsego perechislil nabor standartnyx
MF> trebovanii k tekstovomu processoru.

These are rather not requirements for text processors, but requirements for desktop
publishing systems, and this is probably not difficult to notice.

MF>: And PostScript printers are generally one or two out of stock among the people. A komp'yuter
MF> Vam zachem? Pravil'no, daby v drivere printera perevodit' PS vo chto
MF> nado i pechatatat'. Vprochem my zhe s Vami ne znaem chto takoe driver
MF> printera, my vse bol'she OUTA (PRINTER_PORT)? :)

Normal programs (there are probably such on PC? :-))), when choosing to print to a
graph file, or direct output to a printer that does not support PostScript, do not
use PostScript. Why do you have to generate it and then waste time on simulation?

MF> : Of course, I understand that the more convenient, the better, but the computer you named
MF> will: cost enormously + an expensive printer, and as a result it is not
MF> a home machine, which
MF> : is a Sprinter.
MF> Well davaite posmotrim...486ya PCshka eto vse uzhe umela, no my rassmotrim
MF> slabyi Pentium90. Takaya mashina v nashe vremya oboidetsya Vamokolo
MF> $350-$450, ya dumayu. S monitorom. Far away from Sprintera? Well vot.

For example, to quickly write a letter in a text editor and print it in text mode to a printer, you don’t need all this. And the funniest thing is that the text editor in is-dos with a frequency of 21 megahertz and a 4 megabyte ramdisk will do most operations with text faster than a Pentium 90 in the latest Word under Windows 95. :-)))) And if this is Windows NT? :-))) After all, we are talking about a home computer, and at home there is no need to print illustrated pages in 24-bit graphics and a resolution of 720*720. For _domestic_ work with texts
the sprinter will be cheaper and more productive at the same cost as the PC.

MF>: We were talking again about the fact that for machines of such a class as the Spriter
MF> programs: it is necessary to write not in C.
MF> Yes, tut uzhe kakoi to tovarish vyskazalsya. *V kodax nado*, kak
MF> "nastoyashie krutye" programmisty-hackery :) Questions o tom skol'ko
MF> vremeni eto zaimet i naskol'ko slozhnuyu programmu mozhno takim obrazom
MF> napisat' ne vstaet, t.k. *nravitsya*.

Precisely because is-dos is written in ASMA, we get the result described
above. And that is why programs on the PC are slowed down, that the programmer thinks only about his time, and not about the time of the users of his program, and the amount of money spent by themon upgrade to achieve a
decent speed of operation of its programs. Of course not all programs or place
s in programs require fast completion. In such a case it is possible
use of S.

MF> "Nastoyashie krutye" programmisty-hackery, my dear, after life
MF> strived to facilitate' yourself zhizn' and in code wrote only when necessary
MF> was. Odin iz nix (Stallman) is now the head of the GCC project. Drugoi
MF> (McCarthy) sozdal LISP is a descendant of the DEC organization. And all these "coders"
MF> came from the third wave, from pryshavyx shkol'nikov programming C64
MF> in the bedroom. Pochitaite Stevena Levy.

The liars were real programmers. And about real hackers nor you I do not know by name.

MF> Kstati, otkuda vzyalas' legend chto dlya 8-bitnyx mashin nel'zya
MF> pisat' na C? Strange. Not MSXe after life wrote. Pro vsyakie
MF> industrial'nye systems s voobshe ne govoryu - oni prixodyat ili s C, ili
MF> s BASICom (in the latter case ixnii processor usually ponimaet BASIC na
MF> level iron). (pts) buy. :-))))
MF> You seem a little behind the times: with 80386 PCyuki became 32bit. I.e.
MF> there are all eshe net not a single register of the overall setting (in Z80 by the way
MF> toonet), no vse became 32bitnym i poyavilsya normal'nyi metod
MF> adresacii.

And we have Windows 95 half 16 bit. This is not how they write for 32-bit processors. :-))))))))

MF>: Why not buy an 8-bit one that works more stably. Potomu chto
MF> mashinu pokupayut chtoby igrat' ili chtoby rabotat' (i vozmozhno
MF> igrat'). Te kto xochet igrat' - kupyat Nintendo, ona kruche. Tek kto
MF> xochet rabotat' - kupyat PCyuk t.k. na nego est' programmy (na Sprinter
MF> - net, na etu temu u nas konsensus, nadeyus'). Vy zhe rassmatrivaete
MF> isklyuchitel'no uzkuyu kategoriyu lyudei kotorye xotyat kupit' "8bitnyi
MF> ustoichivo rabotayushii ZXSpectrum s 4MB RAM" i pisat' dlya nego
MF> programmy assemble. Nu mozhet i naberetsya po Rossii para soten
MF> takix lyudei, oni kupyat po Sprinteru, Peters razoritsya, i potom eshe
MF> let 5 eti lyudi budut dosazhdat' okruzhayushim na FIDO i USENETe
MF> "prosvyashaya" ix chto Sprinter - samyi krutoi komputer vsex vremen i
MF> narodov.

The sprinter does not pretend to be the coolest computer, just like the PC. The idea is to make
it a convenient and cheap computer for the home, with optimal
price/performance parameters, again for the home.

MF> Vprochem Vy naverno i sami predstavlyaete etotscenarii, prosto
MF> zaslonyaetes' ot nego.

I am not distracted by what I present. And if we think by your analogy, then
everyone needs to quickly throw away the Spectrum, buy PCs, Macs and Amigas
throw them away too, since there is no Windows there, and when working, it is necessary.
Of course, there are no two identical opinions, and there is no friend according to the taste and color, but I am
sure there will be people who prefer Sprinter to PC for moral and
material reasons. If you cannot do without the PC, then
look around, since there are many people who can do without it and do not regret it at all.

MF>: So you say, there are no real systems. What do you think is: a real
MF> system (without counting)???
MF> Where is govoryu?

In the text.

MF> : Yeah, RoBoTrOn will work out or something like that. Toto similar computers are very popular right now
MF>. :-)))) I remember the popular saying (delusional):
MF> “If your computer doesn’t have Windows, it’s not a computer”! :-)))) This is from the same
MF> series. Yes, of course, "igrat'sya" na CP/M-80 nel'zya - tak zachem nam
MF> CP/M-80, pravda?
Nope, not true. Not “You can’t play,” but “you can’t work normally.”
MF> To what na nee narabotany xot' kakie to sredstva
MF> razrabotki (tot zhe Aztec C, Turbo Pascal, M80/L80, GEN80, i pr.) - eto vse
MF> poboku, t.k. glavnoe dlya nas - eto "igrat'sya" i "programmirovat' v
MF> kodax".
Absolutely incorrect statement. Are you saying that it’s easier to program in a high-level language environment created around 1980, and which has absolutely no hint of object-oriented programming? Then let the Bill Getits program under CP/M.
:))) But I’m fine in assembler, I’ve built myself a library of objects there, and
I live without knowing grief.

MF> Well tipichnyi ya v 16-year-old vozraste, ei bogu :) Tol’ko mne potom
MF> prishlos' vyrasti.
Don't be offended, but, IMHO, you are _now_ arguing "stupidly". :))

: MF>> American life is difficult, and it's the first time I've written a Sprinter.
: MF>> Buy a Sprinter. Did you get the price of the C/C++ compiler? Otladchik?
MF> : It's on the spectrum to write something in languages ​​of high level ???!!! Hу
MF> already: no, ппгпамм for spetkpуma, written on Si, I think already
MF> enough ... Privedite primery sredy programming in C dlya Spectruma
MF> kotaya by po udobstvu priblizhalas'... nu k obolochke Turbo MF
For example. volume and deal, that on spektpumovskom Si such a do _nevozmozhno_.
MF> Understands, of course, that on the screen must vxodit'
MF> enough kol-vo bukvochek on the horizontali, chtob tuda vlezali
MF> malo-mal'ski slozhki on the volume Clozh not Ty. direction "you dig". All programs on Spectrum Si:
1) are quite noticeably tired
2) do not use computer/system resources very well.
3) take up much more space than similar ones written on assembly.

MM> -
MM> - Cross C-compilers
MM> -
MM> ZCC096.ZIP 252726 12/22/97* [001] zcc 0.96 - free Z80 development
MM> package for DOS (C compiler, peephole optimiser,
MM> assembler, relocating linker)

This must be a cool thing!!!!! If there is also an interface with subprograms
made through registers, then there will be almost no difference at all from assembly
code. Maybe it’s worth it in the echo, huh???? (or soap for me, if it’s not too difficult)

MM> ZDEMO.EXE 775714 11/17/97 [001] Demo version
MM> of the
MM> HI-TECH C compiler for the Z80 family
MM> of microcontrollers

Best wishes
Ilja aka IL-2

... I’m sitting, no one I'm not touching it, I'm fixing the Primus :)

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█ Once upon a time, Sunday January 18 1998 18:43, Marat Fayzullin
█ wrote for All:

MF> Perevod: "Mne nechego Vam otvetit'".

MF> Vot tut moi znakomyi bought IBM PC for $1500. Po zdeshnim masshtabam
MF> eto ne ochen' vysokaya cena (i v smysle zarlpaty, i v smysle cen
MF> na IBM PC). S etoi mashinoi Office prishel besplatno.
I really have nothing to answer to this. It's hard to explain why the Sprinter doesn't come with a free program that it doesn't have. But, this is not
necessary, I suppose.
If Sprinter gets to America.. Oh!..
Perhaps by this time something like Office for Sprinter will appear.
And now it is impossible to say whether it will be included for free or not.
Imho, in a car that costs $1500, for sure the price of that same
Office is included. Only it is presented as the cost of the car.

MF> Official'nyi cennik zhe na Office - $199. Eto ne yavlyaetsya ogromnoi
MF> cenoi v US, where etot Office napisan i prodaetsya. Chtoby Vam bylo
MF> ponyatnee, eto cena 3-4 igrushek.
Ie. 40-60 rubles if compared with the prices of toys for Spectrum here.
For that kind of money you can sell a very good program for Sprinter.
And this is a few percent of the cost of the computer. So does it make sense?ask
will this program be included for free or not?

Mgm...na etu temu mne uzhe prixodilos' izlivat'sya v relcom.talke,
no po Vashemu lichnomu zakazu:

Nastoyashaya sistema...

1. Pozvolyaet pisat' programmy kotorye s minimal'nymi izmeneniyami
rabotayut na drugix nastoyashix sistemax.

2. Otgorazhivaet apparatnoe obespechenie ot prikladnyx programmistov
chto daet nam:
* Bezopasnost'
* Mashinonezavisimost'
* Nadezhnost'

3. Effektivno raspredelyaet processornoe vremya, pamyat', i drugie
resursy mezhdu programmami.

4. Predostavlyaet programmistu dostatochno abstraktnyx interfeisov
k resurasam chtoby u programmista ne bylo neobxodimosti lezt' v
zhelezo (chto emu delat' ne dayut).

Vot eto v obshix chertax. Diskutirovat' s Vami po etim punktam ya ne budu,
uzh izvinite, t.k. i tak uzhe offtopic, da i ne poimete Vy nichego: prosto
budete gluxo gundet' "na assemblere nado, na assemblere" i privodit'
Windows95 v kachestve kontrprimera k chemu ugodno (xotya kto voobshe
skazal chto Windows95 - eto normal'naya sistema?).

MF> obrazom napisat' ne vstaet, t.k. *nravitsya*.
What kind of “some comrade” is this? :)))) That's what I said.
The question “how complex a program can be written” really doesn’t arise - you can write a program of _any_ complexity (of course, if the old Spectrum can handle it). And it won’t take that much time, unless, of course, a person has some “groundwork.” But the program will turn out to be: (a)
optimal; (b) fast.
What can you offer in return? Xi sample of the 19th year? And
if I’m already used to objects, and even in Assembly language I can’t do without them?
And if I’m used to them, can I do whatever I want with the system and hardware? IMHO,
it’s better to endure a little bit of the imaginary shortcomings of the Assembler (by the way, I didn’t talk about _codes_
anywhere :))), but be left with your hands untied, than to plunge into, again, the imaginary convenience of this version of C, and be left hand to mouth covered with
diapers.

Sunday January 18 1998 18:43, Marat Fayzullin ─── All:

MF> : Serious programs
MF> : like Microsoft Office, naturally, require a lot of work on them. And
MF>: naturally, they cannot be applied to the machine as a free
MF> application. : Just look at the official price tag of this program for
MF> IBM. Vot tut moi znakomyi bought IBM PC for $1500. Po zdeshnim masshtabam eto
MF> ne ochen' vysokaya cena (i v smysle zarlpaty, i v smysle cen na IBM PC). S
MF> etoi mashinoi Office prishel free of charge.
“Only cheese in a mousetrap is free” (C) people.
It’s just that the cost of the Office was included in the price of the computer... I myself have a
similar computer - a license 95 was included with it “for free”.

I would like to address everyone who is involved in the SPRINTER project.
It seems to me that you can seriously count on it only if
there is technical support for it. Those. if at least in several large cities
there will be service centers for sales, repairs and software provision. Otherwise
you can’t count on an ordinary user who decides to change his Specka to something more powerful and
living far from St. Petersburg.

With respect, Andy Harchenko.

IM> Oh.. I invited a translator..
IM> And he laughed at me for a long time.

;)

IM> By the way, no offense to ask, why is the text in this form? I have
IM> an assumption that you write “YAVERTS” in the standard. So ? If so, I can
IM> suggest a Russian language for IBM in this standard. Incl. and for WIN95.

This is a "bird" language. and they are chattering in #z80. Very inconvenient.

Sincerely, CAPTAIN/56.

MF>: How it is written on IBM is not particularly interesting to us. :))) It's all about
MF> that
MF>: on what it can be written on the Spectrum...
MF> All business v tom *napishut li ego* on Spectrum. "Na chem ego mozhno
MF> napisat'" - eto chisto ritoricheskii vopros.
In. You're almost right about this - is this possible on the Spectrum?

MF>: This is an absolutely incorrect statement. Are you saying that it's easier
MF> : to program in a high-level language environment created around 1980
MF> and not : to have absolutely no hint of object-oriented
MF> : programming ?
MF> Proshe chem na chem? Proshe chem na assemblere? Yes, proshe.
Nope, it’s not simpler... As one teacher once told me long ago - “What pascal do you want to write your coursework in? 2nd? Considering that there’s not even normal work with files... However, it’s up to you, if you want to get into a bunch of contradictions and limitations - climb." The point, as you probably understood, was that I would write the course not on IBM on the 5th Pascal, but on Spectrum - on highsoft...
Yes, and from experience I know - simpler, much simpler... All the "complexity" is nothing more
than "Assembler syndrome".
Although... And What kind of programs are you planning to write? All sorts of engineering and calculation calculations? For them, yes, assembly language is not very convenient, but... Butonly
at first glance. (Bit grid, you understand).

MF>: You're "digging" in the wrong direction. All programs on Spectrum
MF> C:: 1) slow down quite noticeably: 2) do not use the resources
MF> of the computer/system very well. : 3) take up much more space than similar
MF> ones written in assembly language. What does "Spectrumovskii C" mean? Mozhet byt' Vam
MF> prosto nuzhno nachat' s izgotovleniya prilichnogo kompilyatora C
MF> optimiziruyushego pod Z80 i obucheniya lyudei effektivnomu na nem
MF> programmirovaniyu?
Then answer the following questions:
1) How many How long will one such compilation-optimization take? (In the C on which I am used to writing in IBM - Visual C++ 4.2 - this procedure
takes at least 10-15 seconds on the 166th stump)
2) How optimal is the code (even after optimization) of a program in IBM C
in relation to the IBM assembler ? (This is about “efficiency in general.”)
3) Where can I get optimization algorithms if this area is one of the “arenas of competition” between language manufacturing companies?
4) How optimal will be the algorithms embedded in programs written in a high-level language and designed for operation in environment of operating
systems, with integrated sets of libraries and BIOS functions, if on
Spectrum:
a) all access to the hardware/screen is betterto do directly, due to its low
clock frequency;
b) there are no these same “sets of libraries” integrated into ROM (excluding
Scorpio), and their placement in RAM (as in IS-DOS)... uh.... “eats up”
quite a lot of space.
5) How to make a normal “stable” debugger programs in high-level languages, without the presence of a normal interruption system?

MF>: And who talks about “complete absence”? The software is being written. And the dump
MF> of history...
MF>: Well, tell me why we need to return to the ideology and structure of
MF> CP/M's : catalogue, when even the structure of the TR-DOS catalog is in some way
MF> better. I'm no longer talking about MS-DOS and IS-DOS. Esli uzh govorit' o tom chto
MF> "nado", tak nado prosto normal'nuyu POSIXovuyu OS sdelat'. Vot tol'ko
MF> mezhdu "nado" i "est'" slishkom bol'shoe rasstoyanie. Nu sdelaite emulyator
MF> CP/Ma v IS-DOSe i puskaite CP/M-ovskie applikacii. Should I? Nado. Est'? Net.
Why? Well, what will I get from CP/M other than some C v1.2, which I can’t even look at without laughing (though this is also mixed with admiration for those programmers who 15-20 years ago wrote programs in these packages)... Why “make an emulator”? DOS sample ~ 79th yearDOS sample ~ 92-93 years old? Just to “get a lot of ready-made
software”? Isn’t it easier, then, to immediately write this software for IS-DOS?

[killed]

In short, the dispute reached a dead end, since no one explained anything to each other, and
everyone thinks differently. To begin with, we have different opinions about the capabilities of a
home computer. This opinion is certainly formed from many factors
(among which the income of the population, which in Russia has not yet reached normal
limits). If, in your opinion, the PC is so good as a home computer for
Russia, then explain to me the difference in the cost of the software (not counting pirated
purchases). For America, in terms of living standards, something more expensive may be suitable, but in relation to our (Russian) incomes this is not so. We are talking
being at different levels, and Sprinter promises to be a good home
computer for Russia.

MF> Vot eto v obshix chertax. Diskutirovat' s Vami po etim punktam ya ne
MF> budu, uzh izvinite, t.k. i tak uzhe offtopic, da i ne poimete Vy
MF> nichego: prosto budete gluxo gundet' "na assemblere nado, na assemblere"
MF> i privodit' Windows95 v kachestve kontrprimera k chemu ugodno (xotya kto
MF> voobshe skazal chto Windows95 - eto normal'naya sistema?).

World statistics among PC owners show that they chose
Windoza as the best system. Either so many people are wrong, or she
is the best on thisplatform. :-))))))))))

MF>: Serious programs
MF>: like Microsoft Office, naturally, require a lot of work on them. And,
MF>: naturally, they cannot be applied to the machine as a free
MF> application. : Just look at the official price tag of this program for
MF> IBM. Vot tut moi znakomyi bought IBM PC for $1500. Po zdeshnim

Bol'shinstvo programm na C/C++ ispol'zuyut nabor funkcii izvestnyx kak
POSIX. Eti funkcii, sami po sebe, ne dobavlyayut osobogo vremeni
ispolneniya i mogut byt' effektivno implementirovany na bol'shinstve
mashin. Details smotrite stdio.h,string.h,stdlib.h,fcntl.h.

: a) it is better to do all access to the hardware/screen directly, due to its low
: clock frequency;
Delaetsya biblioteka nizhnego urovnya dlya raboty s etim delom, na tom zhe
assemblere. V konce ispolneniya programmy OS prosto vytaskivaet
soxranennyi pri zapuske programmy ekran (na Spectrum eto vsego 6kB) i
prodolzhaet rabotat'. Tem zhe manerom delaetsya pereklyuchenie ekranov v
mnogozadachnom rezhime.

: b) there are no these same “library sets” integrated into the ROM (excluding

: The speech, as you probably understood, was about

MF> Esli uzh govorit' o tom chto "nado", tak nado prosto normal'nuyu
MF> POSIXovuyu OS sdelat'. Vot tol'ko mezhdu "nado" i "est'" slishkom
MF> bol'shoe rasstoyanie. Nu sdelaite emulyator CP/Ma v IS-DOSe i puskaite
MF> CP/M-ovskie applikacii. Should I? Nado. Est'? Net.

Oh, that's what you don't need, that's what you don't need! I saw this CP/M - I can’t imagine greater crap even in the form of all versions of Windows, dumped into one
big pile. ;-)))

Bye, with a pack of vicious, Pavel Fedin.

... UI120:ENAKAGAEBBTGKFHGCJEGFIMNAFSBBIPDNBBTHJECFAD

Hi, Marat!

20 Jan 98, Marat Fayzullin writes to All:

MF> Eto, baten'ka, nazyvaetsya evolyuciei: to chto 10 let nazad narod
MF> nazyval izdatel'skoi sistemoi i radovalsya do poteri pul'sa, teper'
MF> became tekstovym processorom. A ot izdatel'skoi sistemy eshe ochen'
MF> mnogo chego nado, vrode izgotovleniya negativov dlya krasnoi, zheltoi,
MF> i sinei sostavlyayushix kartinki, upravleniya standartnym izdatel'skim
MF> oborudovaniem i pr. Ob etom my dazhe ne govorim, kak vidite.

Sorry...

It seems that no one was going to promote Sprinter to the DTP market...
You have the concept of a normal system - producing postscripts in batches,
Max Romanov has no brakes and a good multitask, someone else has
MSWord launchability... How many people, so many needs.

Sprinter, like any other The computer is not made for everyone. This is a highly specialized thing only for those who need a Sprinter. There is no need to accuse Peters of forcibly introducing crooked iron. If you want Scorpio, then buy it, fortunately it is still on sale. Whoever needs an A500 will buy it.

And we will buy a Sprinter.

With best wishes - Andrey Khristov (ha...@robin.alt.ru)

[Team Horse Aviation] [Team beer, girls & sofa]
[Team Electric Welding MustDie!] [Team Khasan border guards]

MF> : Then answer the following questions:
MF> : 1) How long will one such compilation-optimization take?
MF> (In: Volume C, in which I am used to writing on IBM - Visual C++ 4.2, - this
MF> procedure: takes at least 10-15 seconds per 166th stump)
MF> Kompilyaciya-optimizaciya chego? This depends on razmera
MF> program. Skazhem, kompilyaciya-optimizaciya *vsego* moego emulyatora
MF> Dandy Watcomom na Pentiume90 zanimaet 5 minut. To zhe, no GCCem - 3 minuty.
Well, multiply this figure ~ by 25, and you will get the “clean”
compilation time. Add to this a similar coefficient of "slowness" of disk
media, and the need to "overlay" from the disk...
MF> Proizvoditsya somewhere-to-raz v mesyac.
I'm afraid that this is far from the case... Either you greatly exaggerated, or you are writing this
program... uh... let's put it this way - with very serious methods.
MF> Kompilyaciya s optimizaciei otdel'nyx
MF> failov temi zhe sredstvami - 5-30 secund, v zavisimosti ot slozhnosti i
MF> razmera koda.
Read above.

MF>: 2) How much Is the code (even after optimization) of a program in IBM
MF> C optimal: in relation to IBM assembler? (This is about “efficiency
MF> in general.”)
MF> Primerno v 2-3 times xuzhe chem eslikodirovat' ot ruki, xotya eto
MF> moe sub'ektivnoe nablyudenie.
IMHO, this is a very “subjective” opinion, since in fact the gap is even
larger.
MF> Sil'no zavisit ot togo chto pishetsya, na
MF> kakom processore pishetsya, i kak ocenivaetsya.
Yes. We start driving in a circle. I repeat once again my thesis: on the Spectrum
writing programs in a high-level language is an unacceptable waste
of resources...

[.....]

MF>: 4) How optimal will be the algorithms embedded in the programs
MF> written in a high-level language, and designed for operation in
MF> operating system environments, with integrated sets of libraries and
MF> BIOS functions, if on the Spectrum
MF> Bol'shinstvo programm na C/C++
MF> ispol'zuyut set funkcii izvestnyx kak POSIX. Eti funkcii, sami po sebe,
MF> ne dobavlyayut osobogo vremeni ispolneniya i mogut byt' effektivno
MF> implementirovany na bol'shinstve mashin. More details smotrite
MF> stdio.h,string.h,stdlib.h,fcntl.h.
I repeat again. :)) Where can I get the memory to accommodate these functions?

MF>: a) it is better to do all access to the hardware/screen directly, due to its
MF> low clock frequency;
MF>assemblere.
Well, thank you for enlightening me. :)))) The whole point is that, indeed, usually
such actions are not time-critical, but... but there are
exceptions.
MF> V konce ispolneniya programmy
MF> OS prosto vytaskivaet soxranennyi pri zapuske programmy ekran (na Spectrum
MF> eto vsego 6kB) i prodolzhaet rabotat'.
Yes, “only 6kb” :))) Taking into account the fact that the address space
is only 64kb, and free memory is usually ~ 80kb.
MF> Tem zhe manerom delaetsya
MF> pereklyuchenie ekranov v mnogozadachnom rezhime.
All this, of course, is good, but it’s pure fantasy...

MF>: b) there are no “sets of libraries” integrated into ROM (excluding
MF>: Scorpio), and their placement in RAM (as in IS-DOS)... uh....
MF> “eats up”: quite a lot of space.
MF> V normal'noi OS ispol'zuyutsya
MF> Dinamicheski Zagruzhaemye Biblioteki (*.library na Amige, *.so v Unixe,
MF> *.dll v Windoze). V prostyx OSax biblioteka linkuetsya k program, s'edaya
MF> pri etom diskovoe prostranstvo i pamyat', xotya obychno nemnogo onogo
Well, thank you, I've made you understand. :))) Otherwise, I don’t know that.
MF> (na 8-bitnyx mashinax - poryadka 8-32kB kak pravilo)
That's it. About ~ 1/10 or 1/3 of all free memory...

MF>: 5) Howmake a normal "stable" debugger of programs in high-level
MF> languages, without having a normal interrupt system?
MF> Lyuboi
MF> kompilyator C generit na kakoi to stadii kod na assemblere.
Stop. Once again I ask: do not confuse the concepts of “code” and “assembly”...
MF> Zastav'te ego
MF> vstavlyat' tuda nomera strok i imena failov Vashei programmy (v vide
MF> koommentariev), i taskaite ix otladchikom. Za podrobnostyami sm. GDB.
:)))))))))) Have you realized what you are offering me? :)))) You
are you suggesting that I change the convenient environment of a high-level language debugger (one of
the most important conveniences of high-level languages), to a regular code debugger???!!!
That is, we can’t just go to Moscow, we first need to go
to Sakhalin, but from there, through America - to Moscow. So?

MF>: Nope, it’s not simpler... As one teacher once told me a long time ago - “What kind of Pascal do you want to write your coursework on? In 2nd? Considering that there’s not even any normal work with files... However, it’s up to you, do you want to fit into the pile of contradictions? and restrictions - go ahead."
MF> Ya ne sovsem ponyal chto Vy xotite skazat' dannym argumentom.
It's a mere trifle - these versions do not provide me with the set
of functions and capabilities that I'm used to...

MF> Esli Vy xotite skazat' chto v yazykax
MF> vysokogo urovnya net sredstv work s failami, to vy nepravy (naschet Turbo
MF> Pascalya v tom chisle).
Read the lines written above again.
MF> V assemblere deistvitel'no net onyx sredstv, no vot
MF> v yazykax est'.
Absolutely right - in assembler there is no work with files. But it is not needed -
TR-DOS procedures are called to work with files...
MF> Esli Vy xotite skazat' something different versii yazykov
MF> programmirovaniya ne sovmestimy drug s drugom, to eto imeet place v
MF> nekotoroi stepeni, no otnyud' ne v takoi stepeni kak nesovmestimost' Z80 v
MF> Vashem Spectrum s...skazhem s 68000 v Amige500 ili s K1801BM1 v BK0010.
Okay, I won’t touch on the problem of “incompatibility between compilers
on different platforms”, becausethere really isn't one. There is only
incompatibility between different _DIALECTS_ of the language. (So, for example, the dialect of "pure" Borland C does not coincide with the dialect of ANSI)...

[.....]

MF>: Although... What kind of programs are you planning to write? All sorts of
MF>: engineering and calculations? For them, yes, assembler is not very convenient, but... But
MF> only: at first glance. (Bit grid, you understand).
MF> Da my tut uzhe
MF> govorili na etu temu. Rech' idet o napisanii tekstovogo processora s
MF> funkcional'nost'yu Mrakosoft Worda na Z80 assemblere dlya Sprintera. Xotite
MF> poprobovat' i rasskazat' nam vsem skol'ko vremeni eto u Vas zaimet?
If so, then I repeat once again: writing a text editor in C is the best
way to ruin the whole thing.

DM> This is “bird” language. and they are chattering in #z80. Very inconvenient.

This is not a 'bird', but a translit, afaik. And they chatter on it not only on
#Z80 (on which there are few of ours), but on almost all Russian channels.
Fortunately, they have produced a lot of Cyrillic encodings...

Very convenient, although if you are a fan of FIV, then this is very humpty for you.

Good Luck...

... Windows found: Delete (Y/Y) ?

AL> levels, and Sprinter promises to be a good home computer for
AL> Russia.

it could be quite good if only its price did not exceed the price of other
more advanced computers.

AL> Windows as the best system. Either so many people are wrong, or
AL> she is the best on this platform. :-)))))))))))

The fact is that they are not mistaken, they just have no choice.
Microsoft left no choice to users, having persuaded almost all
software manufacturers to write for their graphic patch DOS. Other
axes are practically left without support, and are bent.

And users can no longer get away from what they have
due to the fact that they poured a lot of money into hardware and software... And there is no other
alternative.

Good Luck...

... Joker: 'It's impossible to weld scrambled eggs without breaking eggs' (C) NTV

: Adding some function usually took from 1-2 days,
: up to 1-2 weeks (however, taking into account that I worked on it for a maximum of 3-4 hours
: a day, after work). For example, text formatting functions were written
: within ~ 4 days, and then tested for ~ 1-2 weeks... The transfer procedure
: was created in 1 day, and then statistics
were accumulated within 1 week: and the transfer rules were adjusted (i.e. there were small and insignificant
: changes)...
Nu vot podelite vse vremena na 3...

: MF> na assemblere ob'ektno-orientirovanoe programmirovanie gorazdo kruche
: MF> vyxodit :)
: You don’t understand anything. :))) First read everything I said: (1) on
: Spectrum it is impossible to optimally write something “global” if
: to use a high-level language;(2) after programming in, say,
: the Visual C++ environment, created somewhere in 1994, it is unrealistic to use
: the ~1983 model system, which has already practically “squeezed dry” all
internal
: spectrum resources...
Govoryat zhe Vam, na etom C dlya golyx processorov tipa 6809
programmiruyut, a chto kasaetsya Visual C++ - tak ne ispol'zuite byaku,
esli vidite chto byaka.

: MF> Kakoi dannoi? Ya kazhetsya ne upominal nikakoi konkretnoi versii C.
: MF> C/C++ - oni voobshe portabel'ny, ponimaete-li.
: But you don’t want to say that the Spectrum has Visual C++ v4.2? Or
: Borland Pascal v7.0? And I hope you don't think that all this can be created
: on the Spectrum ???!!!
Ya dumayu chto mozhno ispol'zovat' cross-kompilyaciyu na tom zhe PCyuke.
Vot i vse.

: : MF>> Odin iz nix (Stallman) seichas vozglavlyaet proekt GCC. Drugoi

: MF> : engineering calculations ? For them, yes, assembler is not very convenient, but... But
: MF> only: at first glance. (Bit grid, you understand).
: MF> Da my tut uzhe
: MF> govorili na etu temu. Rech' idet o napisanii tekstovogo processora s
: MF> funkcional'nost'yu Mrakosoft Worda na Z80 assemblere dlya Sprintera.
Xotite
: MF> poprobovat' i rasskazat' nam vsem skol'ko vremeni eto u Vas zaimet?
: If so, then again I repeat: writing a text editor in C is the best
: a way to ruin the whole thing.

Zayadlye velosipedisty nuzhdayutsya v chtenii notacii elsi ne dlya
obrazovaniya samix velosipedistov, to po krainei mere dlya sozdaniya
primera dlya publiki (sm. takzhe poveshenie Zoi Kosmodem'yanskoi i pr.)

What kasaetsya dialekta, to dazhe samyi drevnii kompilyator poimet K&R C,
what uzhe vpolne prigodno dlya raboty. Aztec ponimaet ANSI C i rabotaet
pod CP/M. What Vam eshe nuzhno ot kompilyatora?

: And also what kind of user interface it has.
Prostoi: cc -o ...
S nekimi variaciyami obychno, no etogo, v sochitanii s MAKE, vpolne
dostatochno.

: MF> V dannom kontekste Vashe vosxishenie i smex

25 Jan 98 04:04, Marat Fayzullin wrote to All:

MF>: Adding a function usually took from 1-2 days,
MF>: up to 1-2 weeks (though, taking into account that I worked on it at most
MF> for 3-4 hours: a day, after work). For example, the
MF> text formatting functions were written: within ~ 4 days, and
MF> were then tested for ~ 1-2 weeks... The transfer procedure: was
MF> created in 1 day, and then
MF> statistics were accumulated within 1 week: and the rules were adjusted transfer (i.e. there were
MF> small and insignificant: changes)... Nu vot podelite vse
MF> vremena na 3...

And the performance is 10. :)

Sincerely
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MF> "Ne znaem, no skazhem chto der'mo" :)
Dejstwitelxno tak? :))

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█ Once upon a time, Tuesday January 20 1998 22:31, Marat Fayzullin
█ wrote for All:

: That is. 40-60 rubles if compared with the prices of toys for Spectrum here.
: For that kind of money you can sell a very good program for Sprinter.
: And this is a few percent of the cost of the computer. So is there any point
: asking whether this program will be included for free or not?
MF> Est', t.k. net program.
Net, t.k. net program.

AK> There is no need to accuse Peters of forcibly introducing crooked iron.

Nobody says that Peters makes crooked iron. They are introducing
new hardware, new standards, but it’s too late, and too expensive.

AK> If you want a Scorpio, then buy it, fortunately it’s still on sale. Who
AK> needs an A500 will buy it.

AK> And we will buy a Sprinter.

Then tell us.

Good Luck...

... Can't Exit WINDOWS.COM, Use DOOR.COM Instead (Y/N)?

MF> Alex Letaev (Alex....@p53.f689.n5020.z2.fidonet.org) wrote: : In short
MF> the dispute reached a dead end, since no one explained anything to each other, and
MF>: everyone thinks differently. To begin with, we have different opinions about
MF> capabilities: a home computer. This opinion is certainly formed
MF> from many factors: (among which the income of the population, which in Russia has not yet
MF> reached normal: limits). If in your opinion the PC is so good as
MF> a home computer for: Russia, then explain to me the difference
MF> in the cost of software (not counting pirated: purchases).
MF> Ob'yasnyayu: bol'shinstvo softa dlya PCyuka - kommercheskoe. To chto Vy
MF> vidite v Rossii dlya Spectruma - eto v bol'shinstve svoem sharovar.
MF> Sharovar kak pravilo deshevle i vozmozhnostei u nego men'she, chto i
MF> imeet mesto.

Since when did packages of the is-dos system become shareware? :-)))) These are programs
for commercial activities, and believe me, they don’t cost as much as Microshyt office 97.
Any person from Russia has enough money for an is-dos working kit, which
can’t be said about an office. I repeat, the dispute has reached a dead end, from different heights one cannot see the same
and the same thing.

MF>: For America in terms of levelIn life, something more expensive may be suitable: but in
MF> in proportion to our (Russian) incomes, this is not so. We say
MF> : being at different levels, and the Sprinter promises to be not bad
MF> home
MF> : a computer for Russia.
MF> Opustite ochi s golubogo nebosvoda, vper'te ix v zemlyu i posmotrite
MF> kakoe kolichestvo lyudei pokupayut v sovremennoi Rossii PCyuk dlya doma
MF> dlya sem'i, i kakoe - Spectrum.

Russia is still buying software for PCs at pirated prices, but probably this is only
for now, and therefore the indicator given is not taboo.

MF>: World statistics among PC owners shows that they have chosen
MF>
MF>: Windows is the best system. Either so many people are wrong, or
MF> she
MF>: the best on this platform. :-))))))))))) "Millions of flies can't be
MF> wrong: EAT SHIT."

Well, you're talking about the right choice. :-)))

MF>: But you don’t want to say that the Spectrum has Visual C++ v4.2?
MF> Or: Borland Pascal v7.0? And I hope you don't think that all this can
MF> be created: on the Spectrum ???!!!
MF> Ya dumayu chto mozhno ispol'zovat' cross-kompilyaciyu na tom zhe
MF> PCyuke. Vot i vse.
Mmmmmm... How can I tell you this... I found several
inaccuracies in your words:
1) We are talking only about _Spectrum_, and the tools _FOR_ _IT_. No
cross-systems are not taken into account because: “this is no longer a Spectrum” (C)
2) Even when writing programs in cross-C, I have _NOWHERE_ _NOT_ _GOING TO_
the problem of non-optimality of the resulting code...

[.....]

MF>: For for example - in Visual C++, a program that works with a text
MF> file
MF> : as with a stream (i.e. such a monster as MFC is not connected), and just
MF> in : the right place in the line inserts a specified sequence of characters,
MF> and : rewrites this line to a file, takes 37 (!!!!!) kilobytes.
MF> Kakoi odnako neudachnyi primer Vy vybrali - Visual C++...Na tom zhe
MF> SAS/C na Amige eto budet okolo 14kB. Prichem, 10kB tam - konstanta, pri
MF> roste razmera programmy ona ne rastet - startup code, i prochee, znaete li.
What are you saying???!!! :))) In the most simple program:10Kb
is a certain constant, and 4Kb is a “masterpiece” itself...

MF> : In assembler (at least in Spectrum) a similar program
MF> : will take ~ 50-100 bytes.
MF> A zachem?
Well... Marat, I think you’re not too much like me will you be offended if I allow
to draw a couple of conclusions about you?
1) You _NEVER_ programmed on the Spectrum.
2) You are not used to saving computer system resources, which means you hardly
ever wrote any global program that could
compete with analogues...
3) Most likely, by your profession you are not a programmer...

MF> Pri 4MB pamyati v Sprintere Vy bol'she budete ozabocheny svoim
MF> vremenem kak programmista chem tochnym kol-vom bait v Vashei program.
When writing the program I _ALWAYS_ is concerned with only one thing - to write a
_GOOD_ program, which is as optimal as possible... And if when writing a program I know that I will then modify it, then
even more so I try to save resources...
An example, you say? Please. Since we are talking about a text editor... In my ZX-WinWord, 84 kilobytes are allocated for text/graphics.
Let's do the calculations: 128 - 84 = 44. So, for everything I have 44Kb.
We continue the calculations: 44 - 9 = 35. This means that if you take into account system
variables and screen area, then underthe program itself remains 35 kilobytes...
That is. not even “under the executable code of the program”, but “in general under the program with
its code and all the variables”... And now, after these calculations, take
the description of my editor, carefully read its functions/capabilities, and
write a similar one, but in C... And after that, we will see if you succeeded
"squeeze" into the same 35Kb...

MF>: Yeah. Only you didn’t understand me, I wanted to ask what exactly
MF>: “industrial systems you are talking about.” The fact is that this (the creation of these
MF> : the most industrial systems) is actually my work...
MF> Industrial'naya sistema imevshayasya v vidu - eto nebol'shaya platka
MF> s processorom tipa 6809 (byvayut i slozhnee) i koi kakimi portami.
MF> Prixodit ona s cross-compilerom C dlya PCyuka, sometimes s BASICom.
Which board are you talking about? The last time I looked at the catalog of all sorts of industrial and technological boards, there were at least about a thousand items...
MF> V poslednem sluchae processor on platke "ponimaet" BASIC, i.e. ego
MF> assemblerom yavlyaetsya tokenizirovanyi kod na BASICe. Platki masen'kie,
MF> soderzhat obychno <64kB RAM, sluzhat dlya upravleniya raznoi elektronikoi,
MF> robotami, i pr.
Ah, I understand. Are you talking about the fee?telemechanics? No, we don’t use these types -
they are too “toy”, they can’t handle anything “serious”... Here we have
standard telemechanics controllers with a protocol, it seems, TM-120...

Sunday January 25 1998 04:07, Marat Fayzullin ─── All:

MF> : Okay, I won’t touch on the problem of “incompatibility between
MF> compilers: on different platforms”, since there really isn’t one.
MF> There is only: incompatibility between different _DIALECTS_ of the language. (So,
MF> for example, the dialect of "pure" Borland C does not coincide with the ANSI dialect)...
MF> That's it, ya mogu kompilirovat' programmy na ANSI C na
MF> Borelandovskom kompilyatore.
Which version exactly? (The thing, you see, is that when I wrote my thesis, I devoted an entire chapter to describing the “history of the formation” of the C++ language)
MF> I am doing it. Skazhite, Vy mozhete
MF> vzyat' programmu na Z80 assemblere, skompilirovat', i ispolnit' ee na
MF> BK0010?
If the processor command systems and computer architecture are the same - then
why not? (Did you decide to catch me? :)) Assembly language is machine-dependent, but high-level languages ​​are machine-independent. :))) I remember that...)

MF> : Damn, Marat, I don’t need to read notations... :( I know very well that
MF>: the compiler “compiles”... The question is what kind of constructions it
MF> understands: what dialect of the language, and what options it has and team.
MF> Zayadlye velosipedisty nuzhdayutsya v chtenii notacii elsi ne
MF> dlya obrazovaniya samix velosipedistov, to po krainei mere dlya
MF> sozdaniya primera dlya publiki (sm. takzhe poveshenie Zoi Kosmodem'yanskoi
MF> i pr.)
At least put a smiley face :)))

MF> What do you think about it? Aztec ponimaet ANSI C i rabotaet
MF> pod CP/M.
Are you not confusing anything? Are you sure? What versions of compilers are you talking about? The ANSI standard in C appeared somewhere in 1986, before that it simply did not exist... Moreover, if I were you, I would not be so categorical with the words “any ancient compiler will understand K&R C”. At least for two reasons:
1) Initially, K&R gave such vague descriptions that it was difficult to even call them in language. Rather, it was just a set of rules.
2) In view of (1) until ~ 1983, _EVERY_ C developer gave his own
interpretation to the K&R owls, and therefore the dialects (rather strongly incompatible with each other)each other) grew like mushrooms after rain...
3) It was thanks to (2) that the American Standards Institute began to create its own dialect, which was to become standard... The work lasted
about 5 years, and ended (as I already said) ~ in 1986.
MF> What do you think? nuzhno ot kompilyatora?
Options of the compiler itself... And so, an interface for the development environment would not hurt. Yes, a lot more...

MF> : And also what kind of user interface it has.
MF> Prostoi: cc -o ...
MF> S nekimi variaciyami obychno, no etogo, v sochitanii s MAKE, vpolne
MF> dostatochno.
You know, even Spectrum assemblers have a much more user-friendly interface... I'm not even talking about the fact that now Spectrum assembler is an integrated shell...

Spectrumovskii soft Rossiya ne pokupaet po piratskim cenam isklyuchitel'no
potomu chto on malo komu nuzhen - vot piratam i neinteresno. Esli by na
nego byl spros, rezko vozroslo by piratstvo. Povtoryayu, v strane gde
obshaya mental'nost' razvilas' vdol' idei "Zachem pokupat' kogda mozhno
ukrast'?" piratit' budut nezavisimo ot platformy i ceny produkta.

Nadobnost' PostScripta tozhe ob'yasnyalas' v odnoi iz predydushix
statei - posmotrite tam v arxiv. Eto daleko ne blazh' i ne
uzkospecial'naya potrebnost'.

: Sprinter, like any other computer, is not made for everyone. This is highly specialized

: MF> vzyat' programmu na Z80 assemblere, skompilirovat', i ispolnit' ee na
: MF> BK0010?
: If the processor command systems and computer architecture are the same, then
: why not? (Did you decide to catch him? :)) Assembly language is machine-dependent, but high-level languages ​​are machine-independent. :))) I remember this...)

Tuesday January 27, 1998 02:53, Marat Fayzullin wrote to All:

: MF>> All business v tom *napishut li ego* na Spectrum. "Na chem ego mozhno
: MF>> napisat'" - eto chisto ritoricheskii vopros.

DG>> All these are not questions... Much can be written. It doesn’t matter what it’s on either.
DG>> It’s also possible on ASMA. Give at least one reason why this is impossible. Deadlines
DG>> - where are we rushing?

MF> My s Vami - nikuda. Peters [esli u nix na meste golova] toropitsya
MF> okupit' rasxody na dizain i proizvodstva Sprintera.

Peters need to hurry up with software, not Word. Why does Spectrum need Word (are you
talking about something like Office97?)? A competent text editor - yes, you need it.
Although there are already several quite decent ones (except for Tasword and Zixwinword
- these are unacceptable brakes, champions, one might say) for trdos + a couple
quite powerful (probably not inferior to the first versions of the same word) for isdos
and sp/m. A graphic editor for Sprinter video modes is needed now. Musical
- for its fee... Much more is needed. But Word will wait...

DG>> Objects, clarity - who is stopping you from coding and debugging individual,
DG>> maximally independent blocks?

MF> To chto "otdel'nye, maksimal'no nezavisimye bloki" gorazdo proshe
MF> implementirovat'na C ili C++, chem na assemblere. Podavlyayushee
MF> bol'shinstvo lyudei znakomyx odnovremenno s C/C++ i assemblerom
MF> skazhut Vam eto.

I can say this to myself, despite my superficial familiarity with Java.
What does C have to do with it in general? You asked (I’m exaggerating) - “Is it difficult to do Word on the Spectrum?”.
I answered - “Easy! And who will pay for the work?” And you, for some reason, are translating the conversation into C... It wasn’t me who argued that it is easier to write complex
programs in Asma.

DG>> Rhetorical question: can you guarantee that the author of a text
DG>> processor, comparable in capabilities to Microsoft Word, will receive
DG>> remuneration comparable to the profits of MS for his work? No? Then about
DG>> what are we arguing about?

MF> Tut vot imeet mesto nebol'shoe neponimanie Vami processa.
MF> U Mrakosoft

^^^
icr

MF> Worda *net* avtora. On razrabatyvaetsya bol'shim kolichestvom lyudei
MF> poluchayushix zarplatu. V etom kstati i est' prichina ego tolshiny.

Did the corporation make a profit from the Word? Did the programmers get paid?
Does the corporation sell the product itself and through dealers? Dealers handing over millions of dollars to the corporation? The authors (of whom there will be fewer, therefore, it will be more difficult for them to work) of the Spectrum version can count on compensation, at leasta thousand times less? No? Read it spelling: WHAT THE HELL THEN THEY WILL *THAT*
DO?

MF> Teper' o frivare. Esli u Vas imeetsya rynok iz 10 chelovek kotorye

[missed... I really don’t understand what this has to do with freeware...]

MF> to vse u Vas budet putem. No rynok nado sozdat', a eto nevozmozhno
MF> bez nekotorogo minimuma program. V takoi situacii, Petersu sledovalo
MF> by zaplatit' Vam i drugim razrabotchikam programm za sozdanie nekogo

You won’t believe it, but this is exactly what we are trying to convince him (“Peters” ;) of (or have already
convinced - I missed it, probably ;) But he won’t pay a decent price for Word -
because he doesn’t will sell for a decent price.

PS: If you still have questions for me, then please change the quotation symbol to
accepted in FidoNet - I didn’t like reformatting your letter... Volapyuk
I’ll put up with yours, so be it... I understand - ideals/habits, “darksoft”,
Unix/Amiga/Mac and other problems...

Sincerely, Dmitry (OLDMAN).
ZXNet: 095/100.1
old...@i-connect.ru

Tuesday January 27, 1998 21:37, Marat Fayzullin wrote to All:

MF> Spectrumovskii soft Russia ne pokupaet po piratskim cenam isklyuchitel'no
MF> potomu chto on malo komu nuzhen - vot piratam i neinteresno. Esli by na
MF> nego byl spros, rezko vozroslo by piratstvo. Povtoryayu, v strane gde
MF> obshaya mental'nost' razvilas' vdol' idei "Zachem pokupat' kogda mozhno
MF> ukrast'?" piratit' budut nezavisimo ot platformy i ceny produkta.

Marat, with all due respect... you haven't come down from the mountain... For some reason, there have always been a lot of pirates on
Spectrum in Russia (and you just have commercial software that has become PD) there have always been a lot.
I'm talking about the pirates/customers relationship and I won't even mention the pirates/honest traders relationship. After your words, even some kind of pride in the pirate-Russian Spectrum market is felt;) I think that just when the last proportion begins to approach one - “all u Nas will be putem”...

├┤i Alex & Marat !

AL> This is a double-edged sword. is-dos has specialized programs:
AL> store, warehouse, notebook, business calendar, datalog, paid
AL> orders, material assets, etc. There are also widely specialized
AL> spreadsheets. In MSofis there is no such variety of highly targeted packages
AL>, it is cumbersome and complicated, but here the help is in Russian, and a convenient interface.
AL> And on the PC, in addition to the office, they also use 1C accounting, but in isdos this again
AL> is there. Is-dos is more diverse than the office.

Shmali stoned? Have you seen isdos on a real Spectrum, and not
in an emulator? This is a terrible brake to say the least. Have you seen the programs for it
that you described? Using them is dangerous to life!
Datalog is a converted imported database. Under trdos there is an analogue.
Business calendar - you don’t even need to compare this with the program
for setting the date. Mat. value - I haven’t seen it, I don’t know. The rest - this
cannot be used seriously, but if you have nowhere to put the money...

Wi7h be57 Wi5he5, FK0.

-+- SMM version 1.05

├┤i Alex & Marat !

AL> This is a double-edged sword. is-dos has specialized programs:
AL> store, warehouse, notebook, business calendar, datalog, paid
AL> orders, material assets, etc. There are also widely specialized
AL> spreadsheets. In MSofis there is no such variety of highly targeted packages
AL>, it is cumbersome and complicated, but here the help is in Russian, and a convenient interface.
AL> And on the PC, in addition to the office, they also use 1C accounting, but in isdos this again
AL> is there. Is-dos is more diverse than the office.

Shmali stoned? Have you seen isdos on a real Spectrum, and not
in an emulator? This is a terrible brake to say the least. Have you seen the programs for it
that you described? Using them is dangerous to life!
Datalog is a converted imported database. Under trdos there is an analogue.
Business calendar - you don’t even need to compare this with the program
for setting the date. Mat. value - I haven’t seen it, I don’t know. The rest - this
cannot be used seriously, but if you have nowhere to put the money...

Wi7h be57 Wi5he5, FK0.

-+- SMM version 1.05

Resursy vychislitel'nooi sistemy ya *ispol'zuyu*, a ne ekonomlyu.
Moya glavnaya cel' - napisat' xoroshuyu programmu. Ekonomiya resursov ne
yavlyaetsya moei glavnoi cel'yu so srednego shkol'nogo vozrasta, iz
kotorogo Vy, poxozhe, eshe ne vyshli.

: 3) Most likely, by your profession you are not a programmer...
*Mnyam*. Nu poidite na htp://www.komkon.org/fms/

[Propusheno gordoe opisanie klienta na temu togo kak on vtiskivalsya vo
vsevozmozhnye dvuznachnye kolichestva kilobait]

: MF> Industrial'naya sistema imevshayasya v vidu - eto nebol'shaya platka

: Does the corporation sell the product itself and through dealers? Dealers hand over millions
: dollars
: to corporations? The authors (of whom there will be fewer, therefore it will be
: more difficult for them to work) of the Spectrum version can count on a reward at least

: a thousand times less? No? Read it spelled out: WHAT THE HELL THEN WILL THEY *THIS*
: DO?

MF>: This is a double-edged sword. Is-dos has specialized
MF> programs:: store, warehouse, notebook, business calendar,
MF> datalog, paid: orders, material assets, etc. There are also
MF> widely specialized ones: spreadsheets. In MSofis there is such a variety of highly targeted packages: there is no, it is bulky and complicated. MSOffice rabotaet pod nekim...mmm...produktom pod
MF> nazvaniem Windows95. Etot...mmm...produkt prixodit s zapisnoi knizhkoi,
MF> kalendarem, datalogom. Bolee slozhnye prikladuxi dokupayutsya otdel'no.
MF> Skazhem dlya deneg Vy mozhete kupit' Quicken, ili na xalyavu vzyat'
MF> durnoi MSMoney.

Well, you see, you can still buy more.

MF> Ob'yasnyayu: piratstvovat' zatem what *na xalyavu* priyatnee. Takoi
MF> podxod k zhizni, ponimaete li. Odin moi znakomyi radi xoxmy vypustil
MF> svoyu programmu za $5. Uzhe cherez nedelyu (posle togo kak on poluchil
MF> 2 or 3 registracii), xalyavshiki vovsyu raspostranyali ee po seti s
MF> voplyami "Registered! Get it for free! Cracked!" (prichem lomat' tam
MF>bylo nechego). Nu psixologiya takaya.

This doesn’t prove anything. And if they only bought everything pirated, Microsoft would not have such income.

MF>: At the same price, the user will buy: better from the official
MF> distributor.
MF> Da ne...on prosto poidet na kakuyu nibud' BBS or WWW site i skachaet
MF> zabesplatno :(

There are concepts type of user support. How in this case?

: MF> podxod k zhizni, ponimaete li. One of my acquaintances for xoxmy posted
: MF> his program for $5. After a week (after MF received 2 or 3 registrations), xalyavshiki vovsyu distributed ee po seti s
: MF> voplyami "Registered! Get it for free! Cracked!" (prichem lomat' tam
: MF> bylo nengego). Nu psychology takaya.
: This does not prove anything. And if everyone only bought pirated, y
: Microsoft would not have such revenues.

MF>: Well, you see, you can still buy more.
MF> A Vy ozhidali chego-to drugogo?

No, but mind you, they don’t buy cheap.

MF> Ix i net, v tex stranax where tol'ko piratskoe pokupayut. Naprimer v
MF> Rossii. Ne zrya Microsoft sheburshitsya i podpisyvaet soglasheniya s
MF> moskovskimi bankami (po kotorym banki prosto *obyazany* kupit' N-noe
MF> kolvo kopii Microsoftovskix "produktov").

It depends on the price, if the disks were cheaper, they wouldn’t take pirated ones, but
our standard of living in Russia is only suitable for speckies, and no more.

MF> : MF> : At the same price, the user will buy: better from
MF> official : MF> distributor.
MF> : MF> Da ne...on prosto poidet na kakuyu nibud' BBS or WWW site i
MF> skachaet : MF> zabesplatno :(
MF> : There are concepts of user support type. How in this case? A
MF> bol'shinstvu pol'zovatelei nafig ne nuzhna Vasha podderzhka, esli
MF> chestno. Isklyuchenie sostavlyayut veshi tipa kompilyatorov, CADa,
MF> matematicheskix paketov, i prochix netrivial'nyx produktov.

There are endless articles in the magazines, from the series “How I installed Windows” :-)))
Calls to the support service constantly appear there. Thisis-dos simply
doesn’t need it, since everything works there without any glitches.

Saturday January 31, 1998 07:39, Marat Fayzullin wrote to All:

MF> : Marat, with all due respect... you didn’t come down from the mountain... What-what, but
MF> there are always a lot of pirates on: Spectrum in Russia (and you just have commercial software
MF> has become PD) : it was.
MF> Isxodnoi temoi bylo sootnoshenie piratstva na PCyuke k piratstvu
MF> na Spectrum.

Well, you understand that you need to compare in relation to the number of
sellers. And the absolute majority of them are pirates.

MF>: I'm talking about the pirates/customers relationship and I won't even mention the
MF> pirates/honest traders relationship. After your words, even some
MF> pride in the pirate-Russian Spectrum market is felt ;)
MF> I think that just then: when the last proportion begins
MF> to approach unity - “all u Nas budet : putem”...

MF> Vy imeete v vidu, na odnogo pirata - odin pokupatel'?

The second proportion is pirates/honest traders ;) Of course, I wanted to say
"to zero", but 1:1 would be a good start.

MF> Yes, that's ves'ma optimistichnaya proporciya, do nedosyagaemosti,
MF> boyus'.

And what to do... Thank God, with the advent of networks the
problem of distributing frivolous software, publications...

Tak eto takoi stil' statei, oni v nekotoryx zhurnalax kazhdyi mesyac
pechatayutsya. Est' u nix tam postoyannyi pisatel' kotoryi kazhdyi mesyac
izlagaet svoi mucheniya s ustanovkoi vsevozmozhnogo obespecheniya na
PCyuk. Chitateli chitayut i uteshayut sebya chto vot - i u drugix te zhe
problemy. Eto normal'noe yavlenie. Chitaite Dr.Dobbs Journal, a ne Byte
i PC User, i tam Vam takix statei ne budet.

People, of course, I understand that when developing the sprinter, the developers
counted on the fact that in the first couple of years the sprinter would live off the
Speccy software... But given its power... IMHO it would not be out of place to write a
translator "SI"... what I mean is that this is usually the case was done on all the cars
which, when they appeared, needed to urgently write software, and there was little money and
time left for this... (Alfa DEC, Sparc, etc.) then they wrote
"SI" and then ported all the software of which to "SI" in the source code
there is a lot of money lying around... and all the shareware... including serious
operating systems... So maybe it was not in vain that Marat (who is Faizulin) started a conversation about "SI" here...

With best regards.
Andrey.

End of message. Confused? Me too! :-)

AL>> there is. Is-dos is more diverse than the office.

KF> Shmali stoned? Have you seen isdos on a real Spectrum, and not

I don’t smoke shmal at all.

KF> in emulsion? This is a terrible brake to say the least. And the programs for it,

Sir doesn’t know that you can work with a ramdisk and a screw? :-)))) I have an Amiga, so there is no such thing as is-dos working yet. Only real Speccy.

KF> have you seen those that you described? Using them is dangerous for life!

It works for me without glitches and does not crash. You probably need to read more help.

KF> Datalog is a converted imported database. There is an analogue under trdos.

I have been storing a copy of the notebook in the datalog for two years now, and everything is fine, even
there is no backup copy. By tr-dos did you mean MasterFile? That's exactly it
SHIT. And this is noticeable if you try to understand the datalog.

KF> Business calendar - you don’t even need to compare it with the
KF> date setting program. Mat. value - I haven’t seen it, I don’t know. The rest - this
KF> cannot be used seriously, but if you have nowhere to put the money...

I know a lot of people who use it, and very successfully. And if
you don’t like it, then you don’t have a comrade according to taste.

MF> Et Vam who said? With real'nost'yu obvious expenses. Posmotrite skol'ko
MF> PCyukov vokrug Vas.

Hу under mass piracy of software it is certainly possible, and in another case? This is the permanent writer's part of each
MF> month expressed his needs with the installation of all possible provision
MF> on PCyuk. Readers read and understand what they want - and the other MF has problems. This is a normal phenomenon. Read Dr.Dobbs Journal, a ne
MF> Byte i PC User, i tam Vam takix statei ne budet.

Hü and that, there are magazines, where at all articles pro pts there is no. Hо this does not solve the issue
with support for users who use licensed
software. And as far as my experience shows, that under the gradual computerization, many users have problems, since their advertising, almost against the will dragged on the computer, and even on such, with which professionals sometimes do not master.

1. Te, kotoryx zatashili, v bol'shinstve sluchaev pol'zuyutsya
licenzionnym softom kuplennym rabotodatelem. Oni mogut pozvonit'
v tech support.

2. Zvonok v tech support ne oznachaet chto Vashu problemu razreshat,
osobenno esli Vy - polnyi chainik. Pol'za sovremennogo tech supporta
(Microsoft, IBM, Compaq) stremitsya k nulyu - eto na osnove moego
lichnogo opyta. Sushestvuet on poxozhe dlya togo chtoby managery i
takie glupye individuumy kak Vy mogli na nego "nadeyatsya". Proxodit
eto obychno posle pary-drugoi zvonkov, no t.k. managery v tech support
ne zvonyat, a Vy - nikogda ane probovali, to zabluzhdenie derzhitsya :)

: MF> Chto-to ya za 6 let zhizni v US ni razu ne videl chtoby kto libo zvonil

AL> I know a lot of people who use this, and very successfully. And if
AL> you don’t like it, then there is no friend to your taste.

I support it. The truth about 'Home Budget'. The truth is under the emulsion. As strange as it may be, it is the IS-DOS program that has no analogue on IBM. In any case, I didn't find it. And if I had found it, it would have been at least Windows-compatible, plus it would have consumed 80 meters on the screw. And so the emulsion plus a couple of fdi - less than two meters
and everything flies.

With all kinds of regards and wishes.
Igor.

... If you don’t want your song to be sung, don’t write it.

I would be glad for any information.

Denis Yakimov
fan...@uniyar.ac.ru

MUSEUMIK ZX Spectrum.
http://www.uniyar.ac.ru/museum/zx

IG> I support. The truth about 'Home Budget'. The truth is under the emulsion.
IG> Strange as it may seem, but the IS-DOS program has no analogue on
IG> IBM. In any case, I didn't find it. Yes, and if I found it, then it would be
IG> at least for Windows, plus it would eat 80 meters on the screw. And so the emulsion
IG> plus a couple of FDIs - less than two meters and everything flies.

It’s just probably not easy to understand everything. :-)))

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█ Once upon a time, Sunday February 01 1998 15:01, Andrey Romanenko
█ wrote for All:

[about writing a SI compiler]
I don’t mind. The question is, who will take on this? Denis and I don’t have enough time for everything.

░▒▓██ Sincerely, Ivan. ██▓▒░

TR-DOS 5.04Ei

Hi, Ivan!

12 Feb 98, Ivan Mak writes to Andrey Romanenko:

IM> [about writing a SI compiler]
IM> I don’t mind. The question is, who will take on this? Denis and I don't have enough time on
IM>.

There is a proposal to start by ensuring the launchability of CP/M in Profi/ATM mods.

PS: Dear Rick Murray!!! You, as an old specialist, can say very
importantly - what and how to port...

With best wishes - Andrey Khristov (ha...@robin.alt.ru)

[Team Horse Aviation] [Team beer, girls & sofa]
[Team Electric Welding Must Die!] [Team Khasan border guards]

14 Feb 98 23:07, Andrey Khristov wrote to Ivan Mak:

AK> There is a proposal to start by ensuring the launchability of CP/M in mods
AK> Profi/ATM.

AK> PS: Dear Rick Murray!!! You, as an old specialist, can say very
AK> here - what and how to port...

what is this all about? what are we porting?

Bye!
Rick Murray
mur...@geocities.com http://letit.home.ml.org ICQ:6653886

With best wishes - Andrey Khristov (ha...@robin.alt.ru)

[Team Horse Aviation] [Team beer, girls & sofa]
[Team Electric Welding Must Die!] [Team Khasansky border guards]

AK> Ooh. There's a lot here. The CP/M core is needed for Sprinter. C for
AK> Sprinter/CP/M is necessary...
Exactly! And I, as a sprinter, need to properly explain everything about CP/M, otherwise I’ve never even seen it. Only stories alone. One says good, the other says bad. Third, you can make it for Sprinter in five minutes. If in five
minutes, then why not do it?

2All: Can anyone tell me how and what to do, what to do CP/M on a
computer?

Ivan

Sun 04:59 22 Mar 1998 Ivan Mak writes to Andrey Khristov:

IM> 2All: Can anyone tell me how and what to do to do CP/M
IM> on a computer?

Write a CP/M BIOS with standard entry points. Get BDOS and CCP ready-made from
Digital Research.

Frecable on origin:

-
- CP/M 2.2 sources from Digital Research
-
CPM22PLM.ZIP 216842 09.19.97 [002] CP/M 2.2 & utils sources (ASM & PL/M)
CPM22-B.ZIP 43920 09.19.97 [002] Files from the distribution disk for CP/M
2.2 for a XEROX 1800 system.
CPM22DIS.ZIP 61371 09.19.97 [002] Disassembled CP/M 2.2 in 8080 and Z80
mnemonics with comments.
CPM22M.ZIP 357175 09.19.97 [002] CP/M 2.2 manual in Postscript format with
source files from the appendixes
CPM22PDF.ZIP 771334 09.19.97 [001] CP/M Operating System Manual (c) Digital
Research in .PDF format
-
- Documentation
-
CPMDOC.LZH 35461 11/15/94 [003] CP/M BDOS/BIOS docs
CPM-FAQ.LZH 20164 04/18/95 [003] CP/M FAQ from InterNet
-
- CP/M 3.0
-
CPM3SRC.LZH 122945 04/23/94 [004] CP/M 3.0 BIOS Sources (for Commodore 64)
CPM3ELIS.LZH 91136 09/24/94 [003] ELIS CP/M 3.0 Documentation
-
- SinclairProfi
-
MICRODOS.LZH 68609 06.06.95 [007] Description of MicroDOS (CP/M 2.6)
PLUSDOC.LZH 72302 04.06.95 [009] Various documentation on PROFI+,
Concurrent BIOS and drivers
SYSSRC.LZH 175744 03/02/95 [003] SP-DOS sources for Sinclair PROFI (BIOS
by V.Terschenko)

Best wishes! Michael KLUG

I’m sitting here, reading, and suddenly I see Ivan Mak writing to Andrey Khristov...

Hi Ivan!

IM> Exactly! And I, as a sprinter, need to properly explain everything about
IM> CP/M, otherwise I’ve never even seen it. Only stories alone. One
IM> says good, the other
IM> says bad. Third, you can make it for Sprinter in five minutes. If
IM> in five minutes, then why not do it?

IM> 2All: Can anyone tell me how and what to do to do CP/M
IM> on a computer?

I wrote, when I have time I’ll bring in the booklet and stuff (in files) booklet
bios&bdos turbo2+

SPbZXNet 500:812/03.00 W!7h 7he Be$7 W!$he$ fR0M CREATOR product
Powered by Cyrix 6x86L 200+/16DIMM/S3TrV2 2Mb/SBPro/Q1.6Gb/CDx8/USR33.6

... on 600 MIPS of Cyrix Power

With best wishes - Andrey Khristov (ha...@robin.alt.ru)

[Team Horse Aviation] [Team beer, girls & sofa]
[Team Electric Welding Must Die!] [Team Khasansky border guards]

23 Mar 98 16:43, Michael Markowsky reported to Ivan Mak about {SPRINTER}:

MM> Frecable on the origin:

Do you have anything on the origin about porting the zx->pc sources?

With warm greetings, Slava!

You've been full for a long time the list was sent by what you have "frequently in
origin". Only when it was :(( Maybe it’s worth repeating?

Tue 13:18 24 March 1998 Vyacheslav Mednonogov writes to Michael Markowsky:

VM> Do you have anything on the origin about porting sources
VM> zx->pc?

No.

VM> Threat\ you once sent a complete list of what you have
VM> “frecable on the origin”. Only when it was :(( Maybe it’s worth
VM> repeating?

Ok, I’ll put things in order in the filelist and throw it in the file folder.

Best wishes! Michael KLUG

AK> The document from Turbo2+ says that you need to be able to map any
AK> 16-kil memory page into any frame.
Sprinter has this. Any of the 256 pages is included in any of the four windows of the
processor.
AK> Purely empirically, RAM is needed from address #0000. However, I’ll give you
AK> a more detailed description, and I suggest the Professionals do the same...
That’s exactly what I need.

Ivan

IM>> 2All: Can anyone tell me how and what to do to do CP/M
IM>> on a computer?