SOS project

Everyone has read the article “Save Our Project Speccy" in Hallu... In short, in GlukoOpera? ;)
(I have nothing against the demo, rather the opposite, but the name is hard to pronounce).
For those who haven’t read it, press the space bar after the start of the demo.

So, what do you think about the subject?

Imho, the train left a long time ago, but you can implement something less complex and more
real. In a nutshell:

The conversation was about creating a normal distribution network, where
the distribution of Spectrum software would be handled by a large company like Inforcom,
which would pay well for the author's work and distribute programs by mail. I suggest sending programs not by regular mail, but by e-mail. Many have Fido/Inet/ZXNet. The fact is that I personally, for example, cannot be forced to go to the post office to issue a postal order, or, just because of a couple of games, to go to the other end of the city to the radio market. Instead, as an alternative, one can propose to transfer only once every one/several months a certain “membership fee” (say 10 thousand/month), and in return, for the whole month, promptly receive news from
the whole country. If there are many such people willing, say 1000 people across the country, then, firstly, in many regions where, despite the best wishes of users, it was impossible
to get author's, branded software, such a thing will appearopportunity, secondly,
1000*10000=10 million per month is enough not only to pay well for the work of
game makers, but even to slightly support releasers, etc. How does this all happen: those users who have paid to receive programs for a given month are sent programs by email. The programs will be provided by the authors themselves, and in the shortest possible time, because... it will be beneficial for them. Plus, releasers will provide new news from the Internet, restaurateurs will provide restored versions of old programs, etc. All this will, again, be sent out in a short time to users who have paid the “membership fee”. The money received from users goes to
authors/restaurants/releasers, etc. in an amount proportional to the labor expended and the quality of the program. Those. some kind of "Black Raven-5" is coming out. The author
requests a certain amount from the company/etc. that distributes software according to the above
scheme. For example, 20 million. Again, many users are too lazy to go to the post office, but here, having sent the transfer 3 months in advance, you can no longer appear at the post office, all this time receiving fresh software. So, if this game is very good, the company agrees to the conditions proposed by the author, the author is allocated, say, 80% of the collected amount this month, and more in the following months. Until
the amount requested by the author has been paid.

Naturally, to spreadThere will also be Western novelties (you can start the experiment with them). Releasers now often receive nothing from their release, therefore they will only be interested in the fact that their versions will be distributed throughout the country. But some amounts (for beer :) can be transferred to them.
Accordingly, magazines, newspapers, etc. will generate some kind of income.
(Naturally, the author can refuse the remuneration).

Now about how to interest people in joining the Spectrum support association (i.e., pay membership fees in exchange for fresh software). After all, it may
turn out that one person per group or even a city will receive the software,
who will distribute it to others. First of all, the contribution amount should be
small (10 thousand = 2 bottles of beer per month!), i.e. everyone can well
pay it. Secondly, there must be a system of sanctions: it is necessary to maintain lists of members of the association, and everyone who has not joined the association and, accordingly, does not want to support Spectrum, must feel that he is wrong: his works will not be accepted at demo-parties, his letters will not be published in magazines that the association distributes, even in Fido his opinion will be taken into account less - after all, he did not want to support Spectrum. Greetings will not be conveyed to him in
releases distributed by the association, etc. And why not pay 10
thousand in exchange for access to everythingfresh software?

In short, what’s the idea? Is there a chance?

With God's blessing, Sergei Novikov aka Spirit^dR^sNG

ZXNet: 500:095/100.99 ■ FidoNet: 2:5020/689.1 ■ E-mail: s-no...@usa.net

Mon Feb 02 1998, Sergei Novikov writes to All:

SN> So, what do you think about the subject?

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SN> In short, what’s the idea? Is there a chance?

The idea is not bad, but who, where and how will organize this project?

$$$ With best wishes ... Alex

AG> The idea is not bad,

I left the name from the demo, although it was talking about something completely different >:)

AG> But who, where and how will organize this project?

It’s not very difficult to implement, if only there are enough people willing to get everything
new for pennies ;) First, we make a list of those who want it, throw it into the echo, etc.
etc. - it is now clear who pays contributions and who does not. The software organization undertakes
distribution, paying remuneration to the authors, so the authors will be extremely
interested in transferring all rights to the program to the association as soon as possible (imagine another game with the signature: "Code by Dmitry "Oldman" Grigoryev (
;) for example), gfx by Anton "TeeRay" Markin, music by Igor "Igoval" Shepelev.
Written by Megastar Creative Group. (c)1999 _SOS Association_." ;)) So,
the authors contact the association, it transfers the reward to them, and the program
is sent by e-mail to the members of the association. 2-3 people in one single city
can manage all
activities and receive transfers (preferably in St. Petersburg, because there are the most sinclairists there, so that they do not
pay extra 10% for a postal transfer), or they can receive the software “hand to hand”.

And then they transfer the program to the hubs, those to the nodes, etc. So I thought that I could go directly to the file echo to speed up the process and relieve the network load. And those who don'thaving paid
the fee, they will receive free software for the fee; they will pay for it themselves: the association will not receive money from
them anyway, but these individuals will be booed in every possible way wherever
possible. They will not be mentioned in software distributed by the association, and their work will not be allowed at the annual demo parties. Anyone who once stops
paying the membership fee ends up on the “black list” and will no longer be able
to use the services of the association. So there won't be any
misunderstandings, because lists of association members will be sent out by echo
regularly. In short, to accomplish all this, 2-3 people in one city will be enough, who will receive a symbolic salary “for being harmful” ;) - 200 thousand. (!?)

Great idea, it might work. Perhaps we can start with general statistics on whether end users agree to such a project. Statistics will show the percentage and adjust the conditions. You need something like a
questionnaire.

Sincerely, Alex from FFC COMPUTERS.

>e-mail: as...@usa.net

SN>It’s not very difficult to implement, if only there are enough people willing to get everything
SN>new for pennies ;) First, we make a list of those who want it, throw it into the echo, and
SN>etc. - now it’s clear who pays the fees and who doesn’t.
Collect 60 old lemons from 1000 people half a year in advance, and even
with incentives like you propose? ;) - methods of the White Brotherhood, IMHO.
And if this utopia becomes a nightmare reality...
NO COMMENTS!

SN> get all the new stuff for pennies ;) First, we make a list of those who want it,
SN> we throw it into the echo, etc. - it is now clear who pays contributions and who does not. Software

Let's organize a list (for starters) :) You can write down:
Alexander Goffman expressed a desire to join the SOS Association

...

SN> And then they transfer the program to hubs, those to nodes, etc. So I thought that
SN> you can go straight to file-echo to speed up the process and relieve the load on the network. And those who
SN> without paying the fee will receive free software for fae will pay for it themselves:
SN> the association will not receive money from them anyway, but these individuals will be
SN> booed in every possible way wherever possible. They will not be able to be mentioned in
SN> software distributed by the association, their work will not be allowed to be presented at the annual

Booing them is not enough, among such “not quite comrades” there will be those who
will distribute the software further, earning money for themselves, so
it is better to distribute the software not according to fae (especially that many people don’t have it, for example,
me), and send soap according to the scheme one - three (or more), i.e. one comrade sends it to three others “assigned” to him, who in turn send the software further, i.e. it turns out to be a kind of SOS-Net :)

SN> demo-party. Anyone who once stops paying the membership fee ends up on the
SN> "black list" and no longerwill be able to use the services of the
SN> association

Here you can argue, but if, for example, a person has financial problems in the current month
or is sick or something else, then why exclude him? My
suggestion: if you haven’t paid now, pay two installments next month.

SN> never. So there will be no misunderstandings, because the lists of
SN> members of the
SN> association will be sent via echoes regularly. In short, to implement
SN> all this will be enough for 2-3 people in one city, who will receive
SN> a symbolic salary “for being harmful” ;) - 200 thousand. (!?)

I agree, but who are they? :)

AS> Collect 60 old lemons from 1000 people half a year in advance,

;)) You don’t have to hand them over six months in advance. And, besides, these 60 thousand per person will more than pay for themselves in six months. Not to mention the fact that they will go to the authors of progs, and with their help they will write new programs, that is, ultimately they will return to the Sinclairists again. There will be an opportunity to finance major projects: what is
$3000, for example, for ZH-2? The program needs to be done for more than one month, and the association will scrape together the required 18 lemons in less than 2 months. Those. and the authors will be
satisfied, and they will make new programs, while taking care of quality
(so that they will pay more), and users will get instant access to everything new for
pennies and support Spectrum, and those who previously simply had nowhere to buy
licensed software in their region will stop financing pirates, and will become
authors. Well, and finally, the most important thing: we will find out how many conscious, real spektrumists there are in the country at the moment. The software, I repeat, can be sent
directly via filehay, which reaches many regions, to the delight of those who
will not pay. But they will punish themselves: they will never appear again in newspapers, magazines, or anywhere. For Spectrum they will simply cease
to exist.

AS> and even with such incentives as you propose? ;) - methods of the White
AS> brotherhood, IMHO.

And whatBadly? If you don’t want to support Spectrum with a penny, don’t be offended...
This is the only way to attract a large number of people to your side, and
therefore adequately pay for the work of the software authors.

PS: IMHO, Viator would support me ;)

AG> Here you can argue, but if, for example, a person has financial problems in the current month
AG>;) Don’t have 10 thousand? ;) How can you live like this? In Moscow, public transport costs
2000. Five trips.

AG> or he got sick

Let him rent it out a month in advance. In general, he hasn't been sick for a whole month; he always finds time. And if something like this happens, it will always be possible to inform by e-mail, again, by mail, to the “headquarters” of the association, where they will make a decision about whether the person who has not paid is telling the truth or not. In general, if a person is a week late, but is ready to pay for this month, of course it’s not his fault, the software will be sent to him.

AG> or something else, then why exclude him? My proposal: if you haven’t paid
AG> now, pay two installments next month.

That is. when reconnecting to the association, pay for all the missed months?
But in this case, the person will have to send the software that he did not receive during
this time, and this will be a strain on the network.

And then, it will be difficult to send files to yue, because the volume of yue sections
sent by one feed node per day is limited to 100K (at least in
Moscow). So you will either have to limit yourself to a file echo, or agree that
each node receiving yue sections sends them along the chain to another node...
In short, in addition to other positive results, SOS alsowill serve as a reason for
more active promotion of files and for an increase in the number of Sinclairists included in the ZX network! After all, you will need to receive the software via modem. Of course,
by registering, you can receive software from a friend who is a modem operator, but in this case
there will be some delay in receiving the software.

And, finally, you can throw all the software into the echo (this one or a specially created one for
this), in yay. After all, the volume of what is thrown into the echo is not limited! And the echo goes further than the file. And ZX network coordinators will take files directly from the echo.

I greet you from the bottom of my heart, Sergei!

Mon Feb 02 1998, Sergei Novikov squeezed the keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach everyone:

SN> Everyone read the article “Project Save Our Speccy” in Hallu... In short, in
SN> GlukoOpera? ;) (I have nothing against the demo, rather the opposite, but
SN> the name is difficult to pronounce). For those who haven't read it, press the spacebar after
SN> the start of the demo.

Complete nonsense! Utopia. Again, only a few will pay, and the rest will get everything
for free!

Hasta la vista.
Tim Kelly

02 Feb 98 17:10, Sergei Novikov wrote to All about SOS project:

SN> radio market. Instead, as an alternative, you can propose to transfer
SN> only once every one/several months a certain “membership fee” (say 10
SN> thousand/month), and in return, for the entire month, promptly receive new products from all over the country.

An interesting idea, but several questions arise:
1) How are income distributed between network software providers, if
the membership fee covers all commercial projects;
2) Why should I, to an ordinary user, pay 10 thousand rubles. for a product that I
can then receive for free;
3) Moreover, there are few large commercial projects now, IMHO;
4) won’t it cost the average spectromist a little to be conscious? If
not everyone buys the same “project of the year” CHV for 35 tr. in anticipation of the broken version, how many will agree to give 10 tr. _monthly_? Two bottles of beer, however!
:)))

SN> mail. The programs will be provided by the authors themselves, and in the shortest possible time, because
SN> it will be beneficial for them. Plus, the releasers will provide news from the Internet,

In addition, your idea will have to be promoted. There are no receipts from
users -> no programs from authors. There are no programs from authors -> no
receipts from users. To break this vicious circle, it is necessary either
period"work on enthusiasm", quite long, or a solid initial
investment.

Cordially Yours, Alexey

EM> Complete nonsense! Utopia. Again, only a few will pay, and the rest will receive
EM> everything for free!

Well, yes, traders, of course, should worry, because they may simply begin to buy
even less. But... IMHO, there will always be some niches that can be occupied. First of all, not everyone has modems. In addition, not everywhere
there are ZX networks.

But about utopia... Firstly, not only a few will pay, because... For normal
work of the association, at least 500 of its members are needed. And this is already enough to
pay the work of authors better than what is happening now. As for the rest, the freeloaders, there is nothing to worry about. First of all, I hope there will be a lot of decent people who
will find 10 thousand a month, more than 1/4 in the country, and therefore
more than 1000. This is enough not to think about freeloaders. And the freeloaders
will punish themselves: they will be forced to soon leave the Spectrum (since
in complete isolation, if they are completely ignored, only a gamer can survive), or
start paying. Benefits from freeloaders who cannot give 10 thousand for the benefit of Spectrum (in fact, transfer this money to the authors) and get access to all the software for this, and now none. Because and now they don’t spend a penny on
purchasing licensed software. But when they begin to be ignored both in grittings and in the computer media, when it is simply impossiblewill somehow show themselves and
become famous, they will be forced to either go to hell, or join an
association, or remain gamers for the rest of their lives and work “for the table”.

SN>> (let's say 10 thousand/month), and in return, throughout the month, promptly receive new
SN>> from all over the country.

AM> An interesting idea, but several questions arise:
AM> 1) How are incomes distributed between suppliers of network software, if
AM> the membership fee covers all commercial projects;

All the money goes to the authors of the distributed software. Money unused in a given month is transferred to the next month (after all, the amount of software released is different every month). If every month there is more and more money left,
and nothing big or expensive is foreseen, you can lower the membership fee.
However, will it do any harm?

AM> 2) Why should I, an ordinary user, pay 10 tr. for a product
AM> which I can then receive for free;

That’s the point, then. Most articles in newspapers and magazines, for example, very quickly lose relevance. Well, then, a real Spectrumist who wants to support Spectrum will pay this small amount to the authors. Those who do not want to support the authors of the software will also receive the software, but their work will not be distributed by the association, no one will see their names in the distributed software, they will not be able to do anything noticeable on the Spectrum.
If this suits them, then let them continue to receive the software for free. But for the
_most_ Sinclairites, I think it'snot acceptable, you just have to look at
the number of dems, newspapers and releases released to show yourself,
to assert yourself, to get into greetings.

AM> 3) Moreover, there are few large commercial projects now, IMHO,
AM>;

This is where the subject will help. Remember how many cool projects have been frozen because... there is no
incentive to complete them. It is now very difficult to earn normal money on the Spectrum. It is for this reason that Voxon/ex-Flash, for example, moved to PC. (²MB:
Have you messed up anything?) Promise now $1000 for a new cool domestic game -
I’m sure there will be more than one contender for this amount. The subject, in theory, should cause
a revival of Spectrum activity and a surge in game making.

AM> 4) won’t it cost the average Spectrum player a little too much for his
AM> consciousness?

I think that now the majority of Sinclairists are real Spectrum fans, ready
both morally and financially to support their favorite computer. All the others have long ago given up and are now playing Quake 2.

AM> If not everyone buys the same “project of the year” ChV for 35 tr. waiting
AM> for the broken version, how many will agree to give 10 thousand rubles? _monthly_?

I think there will be more than 1000 conscious people (this is what needs to be checked using a
survey), and that will be enough. If there are 2000 of them, membership fees will be 2 times
less, just think! Well, about the ChV: firstly, for the yearyou will receive more than one CV. But
besides everything else, all the cool magazines (!), demos, music and graphics from Fantop,
and all this is almost instantaneous (by today's standards ;) How long are we
waiting for software from Inlight? ;)). Secondly, many people don’t take CV because they don’t know
how to get it (especially in the regions, not everyone reads the echo!), and because they’re too lazy to go to the post office (I’ve already talked about this). Here you rent out 30 pieces in 3 months and
HANG ON!

AM> Two bottles of beer, however! :)))

Well, why can’t we do without these 2 bottles? Moreover, it is harmful ;)

[ MESSAGE DETECTED: 02-Feb-98 17:10:22 ]
[ FROM: Sergei Novikov ]
[ TO: All ]
[ SUBJECT: SOS project ]

SN> the association spreads, even in Fido his opinion will be less taken into account
SN> -
SN> because he didn’t want to support Spectrum. Greetings will not be sent to him
Can I make _one_ comment on this point? I apologize, but FIDO is
not ZXNet... Are comments explaining this idea needed?
Otherwise, the idea is not bad!

Sincerely, Andrey

[IMPERIAL FORCES]
[MailTo: ala...@cityline.ru]

EM> get everything
EM> for free!

Alas, this is possible. Moreover, such a project should be designed for all end users, of whom no more than 5% know about the existence of the ZX.SPECTRUM echo. Some people don’t have a phone, and the only way for them to
find software is by mail or at the nearest market.

SN> for annual demo-parties. Anyone who once stops paying the membership fee
SN> ends up on the “black list” and will no longer be able to use the services of the
SN> association ever again. So there won’t be any misunderstandings,
SN> because the lists of association members will be sent out by echo regularly.
SN> In short, to accomplish all this, 2-3 people in
SN> one city will be enough, who will receive a symbolic salary “for
SN> harmfulness” ;) - 200 thousand. (!?)

[Team "Gaza Strip" - rulezz!]

IMHO, _still_ 10 tr. per month is not so little for an ordinary user.
You have the view from the side of a resident of a wealthy capital, although in it, it seems,
there are only a few supporters of paid Spekov software. :) Instead of an optimistic forecast, 10 tr. x 1000 people I propose to name the more likely one: 5 thousand rubles. x 150
persons + don't forget about shipping costs. These 750 tr. This is precisely what will be used to pay the administration. :)

SN> without paying the fee, they will receive free software for the fae, they will pay for it themselves:
SN> the association will not receive money from them anyway, but these individuals will
SN> be booed in every possible way wherever possible. They will not be mentioned in
SN> software distributed by the association, and their works will not be allowed at the annual
SN> demo parties. Anyone who once stops paying the membership fee ends up on the
SN> “black list” and will no longer be able to use the services of the
SN> association ever again. So there won’t be any misunderstandings, because the lists of members

That is, pressure on consciousness? Plus a little forced collection of membership fees. Just like in the days of the Komsomol. :))))

Cordially Yours, Alexey

AG> so it’s better to distribute the software not by facha (especially since many
AG> don’t have it, for example, I do), but to distribute the software according to the scheme one - three (or
AG> more), i.e. one comrade sends to three others “assigned” to him, those

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SN>> get it (especially in the regions, not everyone reads the echo!), and because
SN>> it’s too lazy to go to the post office (I’ve already talked about this). Here you rent out 30
SN>> pieces in 3 months and HANG ON!

AM> Well, let someone not take the CV, because they don’t know where
AM> to get it and don’t read this echo. However, if the SOS project is also born within this echo, the same audience will hear about it! Excuses like
AM> “comrades from the echo will tell everyone else” are not accepted, because for
AM> ChV the same possibility exists. Moreover, if the distribution of
AM> is proposed to be carried out using the same feed files.

That's right, that's what I'm talking about!

SN> Get started. Two people are already supporting you. Maybe there will be a third
SN>... Some kind of nonsense. Maybe five more copies of ChV-2
SN> will be sold from this...

But from your idea there will be no such contribution - you will ignore those
who usually pay money.
I’m telling you - we really forced all users to pay money to the _authors_,
for this we just need a network of traders. The more traders there are, the lower the cost of the product for them. If the quantity is large enough, prices will be lower than those of pirates. For example, we sell almost everything at a price lower than that of the leftists
any disc, and these are licensed! As a result, the market is ours and payback is a matter of time. But by Donetsk standards, the CV is a bit expensive - but there is a monopoly here, and
such toys only come around once a year!

EM>> themselves and ignored all those who usually graze with pirates and
EM>> do not know about any networks! And we _really_ sold them 45 copies of CHV
EM>> and will sell more. An approach is needed!

SN> As I say, completely different approaches! They cannot be compared! In my
SN> version, money is paid for _all_ new good software. How do you,
SN>, for example, buy newspapers, huh? ;) And you are still judging CHV -
SN> a game that is an exception of its kind. There is one such game per year. I have a completely
SN> different formula. Here the money accumulates gradually, and the CV clearly will not pay off.
SN> HOWEVER! That's what the rest of the warez is for! All sorts of demos and
SN> releases contribute to the gradual accumulation of money, so that in the end
SN> the money for the global project is paid to the author, despite the fact that his
SN> game for the association does not pay off. But it pays off for the author! He
SN> gets decent money and can start a new game. Your
SN> “project” will not really give anything. A waste of time.

But I don’t need demos, some people need toys, some people need systems, so no one
will pay anything.

*** Answering a msg posted in area MY_MAIL (MY_MAIL).

I greet you from the bottom of my heart, Alex!

Wed Feb 11 1998, Alex Letaev squeezed the keyboard, hoping that Eugene Malkov
the following words would reach:

AL> More likely a little wrong, they want to pay as little as possible, regardless
AL> of who is trading software, pirate or not. It’s just that usually software
AL> from a pirate may always be cheaper, which will push up demand from
AL> pirates to increase and decrease from official traders.

Why don’t wild traders buy software from the authors?
a) the authors don’t offer them personally;
b) from hackers it’s four times cheaper.

It’s worth making a list of all traders in general and offering them programs
cheaper - everything will be ok! There are 10 times more illegal traders than legal ones,
the author's profit is more than twice as much as if he sells at a high price to a select few.
The only catch is to collect information about all traders, but everyone in
their city can easily establish this.

SI>> games from Crystal Dream? Because we’ve been pushing Smagla for two years
SI>>! If we don’t push it, this is our last project!

SN> And what kind of effective sales is this if Smagly hasn’t been pushed yet?
SN> No... Here, as I understand it, it’s a completely different matter. Trade in games and
SN> system programs.

Tolyan, if you are nearby, explain to the people.

Hi, people!!!

I read the controversy about the SOS project and decided to express my
point of view on this project.
In some ways, this project reminds me of the “projects” that appeared from time to time. Their essence boiled down to the fact that you need to transfer a certain amount to the address indicated in the first
line of some list, and after some time in response you receive an amount tens, or even hundreds of times greater than the amount you sent.
Someone is in trouble. go to the post office in order to issue a postcard (although
in order to transfer the same 10 thousand, you need to visit the same post office
), someone should go to the market (and if there is no connection with
the FIDO network or with any ....net, then you still need to go somewhere
at least for software), or others reasons.
But think for yourself what will happen to SPECCY if, God forbid, a deception occurs (and from the press you can learn that even
those who guard the laws are deceived). After all, then only the fans will definitely remain at SPECCY, and even those won’t last long without the support of the masses.
Why such thoughts? Many, if not all, know Mednonogov, Zonov, Radionov, Larchenko (sorry if I got the last names wrong somewhere, but I think many people know who I’m talking about), Alex Ivanov (organizer and coordinator of the ZXNet network), Bulchukei (organizer FANTOP-98), and if such thoughtsthey said, then I
would vote for it.
By the way, on Relkom an echo on SPECTRUM was organized, and
as far as I know, this is a commercial network, which means that fans of this computer need to pay for the use of this echo...
And one more note. They will distribute the latest software to "members of the association of children of Lieutenant Schmidt." That's good. But what about someone who just bought it or was given it as a gift, or in some other way
became the owner of a Spectrum? Will they give him a “membership” card along with his computer??? What if I don’t need adventure games, but need some system programs? Those. I don't need all the software, just something fresh from IS-DOSa and nothing else. What to do in this case? And I don’t care at all whether I will be mentioned in some demos, gifts and the like? I'm an ordinary user, I play games, use some system programs and that's it. And in this case, it’s easier for me to go to some specialized place once every couple of months and pick up the software that I need, rather than go to the post office every month and send even 10 thousand rubles or 10 current rubles for who knows what. And if the software is given only to “members”, then you will have to leave this platform.
I’m probably not alone in this opinion.

With deep respect, Alexander (CURIOUS).

Monday February 09 1998 19:28, Tim Yunaev ─── Andrew Savichev:

TY> Somehow a long time ago, specifically Sunday February 08 1998 at 15:27 Andrew
TY> Savichev wrote All:
AS>> Product Type Author(s) Labor intensity Class Release date
TY> Coolest DOOM G Vasya Pupkin 1000$
TY> They give Vasya money, he makes a game - but it turns out to suck. What's next -
TY> the crowd is coming to beat Vasya's face, or the racket is coming to Vasya?
The crowd is coming to the "SOS board". :)))
But seriously, neither the lame Vasya Pupkin nor the super cool (but not yet known) coder Petya Vasin will receive money for development, for the simple
reason that... they are not yet known - “they’re not fools at SOS either” (C) As a result of SOS (in such form as it is now) will only support
"its own"...

TY> [skip]

Monday February 09 1998 21:24, Sergei Novikov ─── Roman Milukov:

SN>>> Money received from users goes
SN>>> to authors/restaurateurs/releasers
RM>> I would like to be sure of this.

SN> Regular reports in ehe.
As far as I remember, in the rules of this echo there is a clause about commercial
information, isn't it? Then I'm afraid you'll have to make an echo
ZX.SPECTRUM.SOS.REPORTS
(Damn, I also said, “why would the REAL.SPECCY echo be better than ZX.SPECTRUM”...)

[.....]

SN> You can’t throw commercial information around like soap, but you can in an echo, because... This
SN> information is needed by everyone.
And if you read the policy again...
SN> But sending files to someone with soap, receiving money for it
SN> is really loading the network for the sake of your own enrichment.
Read the fido-policy and echo-policy...

Monday February 09 1998 21:40, Sergei Novikov ─── Alexey Mednonogov:

SN> Yes, not something being developed, but for everything! Newspapers, demos, releases, magazines...

SN> In short, statistics speak in my favor. We have already received 8-10 letters of response to
SN> the mini-survey. Both points have so far been unanimously supported!
Well, of course... In the form they are, not answering them means
showing everyone that you “don’t support the cause of the Spectrum”...

08 Feb 98 21:21, Eugene Malkov reported to Sergei Novikov about {SOS project}:

SN>> use programs, play games. But we just won’t think about them,
EM> And we, being so good, have we bought many copies of CV from Slava? Is this enough? Moscow can thank Alex Letaev that two days ago the first package arrived. I’m telling you, there’s no time for games in the capital :)

Warm greetings, Slava!

By the way, the subzha also has a drawback - how to transfer money? If via
mail, then why not receive programs/distributions by mail too (as has always been the case)?
Or through some bank :-? Then why will the entire organizational leadership be needed? Each author creates an account for himself, throws his program/game into the account
(indicating the account number) and waits until money is added to it (we get shareware
:). It seems that N. Shalaev has been doing this for a long time...
Or, developing the idea of ​​SN, each author opens an account and begins collecting funds
for his new game. Having collected the required number of millions, he makes a game and throws it into
fahu :)

Warm greetings, Slava!

SN> everyone needs this information. But sending files to someone in bulk, receiving
SN> money for it, is really loading the network for the sake of one’s own enrichment.

What difference does it make whether commercial information brings profit if it is transferred to
everyone or to an individual? About the need for everyone and one's own enrichment - this, IMHO, is sophistry. In any case, such a thing should be. authorized.

Cordially Yours, Alexey

Once on February 12, 98 at 02:02, Vyacheslav Mednonogov wrote to Eugene Malkov...

VM> It is curious that in some cities people do not wait for traders
VM> to swing, but chip in for 10-12 sets and place the order themselves.
VM> Moreover, we can say with confidence that there are still traders in these cities
VM> (a typical example is Taganrog)
:-) Yes, the thing is that 10 sets in this case were ordered by the trader himself, i.e. I
just placed an order

Bye, Damon

... Should I bring the medicine? Yes, don’t forget the white one and the cucumber

Tuesday February 10 1998 23:45, Sergei Novikov ─── Alexander Savin:

SN> For this you need, firstly, the desire of M.M.A, and secondly, a moderator (900K in
SN> wow!) And we are unlikely to wait for the second.
And what does M.M.A have to do with it? ? The most important thing is the desire of the “Stars of Keladan” group.
And it exists. ;))) But there is no possibility.

EM> And the goodness of the software, of course, will be determined by the uncle at the top, and not the one
EM> who pays the money.
Nope, not the “uncle at the top”, but personally SN himself. We have to think.

[.....]

EM> You yourself suggested ignoring freeloaders, and that’s what wild traders
EM> are - users don’t care who they buy from, as long as it’s cheaper
EM>.
By the way, do you know what he accuses me of? "Milun throws too few Yuyuks into the echo." How... So you still need to first deal with the criterion
"I'm not a freeloader, I'm a partner"...

EM> Sorry, if they have the courage, they will admit it themselves. They
EM> swore to me that they would not leave them anywhere, especially since I am not sure of
EM> the existence of this product (broken CV by ***) at all.

Information for comprehension (from one soap), worthy of more trust:

=== Cut ===

By the way, maybe you will be interested in knowing how I fight against hacking and
illegal distribution of "CV". From the very beginning I took control of this
process. I created all the conditions and even paid for the work of the coolest hacker
who is capable of doing this and would have done it anyway (and there are only a few of them in **********,
as in other cities, imho). But I set him the condition that no one except me would get the broken copy. And as a result, in two weeks the game was completely hacked by him, but I shelved it and I hope that for some more time, until broken copies arrive from other cities, I can live in peace ;-) and
I hope that I will still have time to order branded copies from you (more than once). :-)

=== Cut ===

From the new information about ChV, an interesting fact (from Kir Chubenko).

=== Cut ===

However, I figured out the password in your great game...
Well, the one about running men and evil kungs.
But since... I’m not interested in playing with a shield, I didn’t
figure out what the letter “******”/“*” does.

/skip/

And one more thing, next. I advise youdo it differently,
otherwise I easily thought of it in a logical way.
If you’re interested, I’ll explain later.

=== Cut ===

If anyone doesn’t know yet, then in St. Petersburg they discovered long ago that the cheat
is called up by pressing 8 or 9 in the start menu. So far only Kira has been able to find the password. I finally found it :)

The only unpleasant news is that the Crows, having flown to Minsk, go
on the local “Bytes” only after a small hardware modification :(((What a waste and
I know that there are “two-fielders” :(

By the way, I somehow forgot to warn everyone earlier that the CV does not run on TR-DOS 5.01 and
on the ZX-48. Here, I’m warning you!

Warm greetings, Slava!

EM> As far as I remember, in the rules of this echo there is a clause about commercial
EM> information, isn’t it?

Not so. Bummer. Either you have sclerosis, or a rich imagination.

EM> Then I'm afraid you'll have to make an echo ZX.SPECTRUM.SOS.REPORTS

Х8)

EM> (Damn, I also said, “why would the echo REAL.SPECCY be better
EM> ZX.SPECTRUM”...)

No make me laugh.

SN>> because Everyone needs this information. But sending files to someone with soap
SN>> getting money for it is really loading the network for the sake of your own
SN>> enrichment.

IG> I didn’t understand something... If I don’t accept the subject, but am subscribed to the facha - then
IG> files that are distributed within the framework of the 'sos' project, I still will I get it?

Yes. You would have received them right away from your friends anyway.

IG> And what’s the point of the subject then?

They pay not for software, but for supporting the authors. And the software is used as a gift. But if you don't want to pay, the association will survive, but Spectrum is unlikely to hear about you (at least from the association's software). [Do not apply the last phrase to yourself personally].

AM> What difference does it make whether commercial information generates profit whether
AM> is shared with everyone or with an individual? Regarding the need for everyone and one's own
AM> enrichment - this, IMHO, is sophistry. In any case, such a thing must be sanctioned.
We will send software to everyone, not to those who paid!

Another way out: members of the association send money to support the authors. And as a thank you, the association sends them the software _free_.

Once upon a time, specifically Wednesday February 11, 1998 at 09:13 Evgeny Milun
wrote by Tim Yunaev:

EM> unknown) coder Petya Vasin will not receive money for development, due to that
EM> simple the reason is that... they are not yet known - “there are no fools in SOS
EM>” (C) As a result, SOS (in its current form) will
EM> support only “its own”...

What’s the point?

[skip]

SN> They pay not for software, but for supporting the authors. And the software is as a gift.
SN> But if you don’t want to pay, the association will survive, but you’re unlikely to hear about Spectrum about
SN> (at least from the association’s software).

That is, as far as I now understand, this SOS project is a kind of bloomer,
only with the collection of money in advance. A pig in a poke? What's wrong with a standard ball joint?
SN> [Do not apply the last phrase to yourself personally].

In no way.

With all kinds of regards and wishes.
Igor.

... If you know how you feel, then you are getting old.

DK> :-) Yes, the thing is that 10 sets in this case were ordered by the trader himself, i.e.
DK> I, the order just came

Well, you see, who knew :) I give you [*].

With warm greetings, Slava!

ps\ In the faq, of course :))))

...for those who miss him... ;)

With the best wishes, MagiC/Extreme {magi...@usa.net}

"Support for authors" is a very slippery question. And if a person does not want
to support _all_ authors (for example, he absolutely does not need such
meaningless things as demos) but only those authors who write the things he needs?
What then?

SN> And the software - as a gift. But if you don’t want to pay, the association
SN> will survive,

One, two - yes.
And if 95% don’t want to, it won’t survive.

SN> but Spectrum is unlikely to hear about you (at least
SN> from the association software). [Do not apply the last phrase to yourself personally].

That is, if we discard the “extra” words :), you pay only for what
is written about you in greetings (demos, pictures) and that’s all? Not a lot :(

(does anyone even read these grittings?)

Very useful!

RM> doubted that
RM> for his money he would really _get_ _good_ and
RM> _the_needed_ software.
SN> All normal software. However, after the first months
SN> of work, everyone will understand this.
Yeah. Only in the first months the association will have to work hard, and only on enthusiasm. And if there were sponsors, so that they would give money in advance, for a fairly long period - then great!

All the best.
With respect, Roman Milukov.

AM>>> commercial information, so in any case this option is unacceptable.
SN>> You can’t spread commercial information _soap_, but you can in the echo, because
SN>> everyone needs this information. But sending files to someone using soap and getting
SN>> money for it is really loading the network for the sake of one’s own enrichment.

TY> That is, if we discard the “extra” words :), you only pay for what they write about
TY> to you in greetings (demos, pictures) and that’s all? Not a lot :(

...newspapers, magazines. They will let you in for the annual demo party, etc. Thus, every
normal Sinclairist must pay. If you are not like that, get everything for free, but you won’t become normal. If someone likes being “abnormal”
:), who will be ignored everywhere - please.

TY> (and does anyone even read these grittings?)

Everyone who wants to appear in them.

SN> They pay not for software, but for supporting the authors. And the software is used as a gift. But
SN> if you don’t want to pay, the association will survive, but Spectrum
SN> is unlikely to hear about you (at least from the association’s software). [Do not apply the last
SN> phrase to yourself personally].
Does she refer to us? I’m very glad that you admitted that “the good of the spectrum”
will be determined by a couple of people, and the programs of everyone who disagrees with them
will be clamped down. Will there be “anti-grittings” in the grittings?
As they say: ch.t.d.

SN> Not so. Bummer. Either you have sclerosis, or a rich imagination.
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Note: A little advertising is allowed.

A LITTLE LITTLE !!!
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Saturday February 14 1998 14:07, Sergei Novikov ─── Alexey Mednonogov:

SN> Another way out: members of the association send money to support the authors.
To your bank account ?
SN> And as a thank you, the association sends them software _for free_.
“What are you saying, I don’t took bribes. I only accepted tokens of gratitude." (C)

TY> You should still be kidding :)
What else is left to do? “I’m in a hurry to laugh before I have to burst into tears” (C) P. Augustin.

TY> But it would be interesting to listen to AS’s (serious) opinion. Or is there nothing
TY> to say?
Like nothing? There is something. He is already describing with all his might how cool life will be for the authors under the “new order”. But for some reason I just don’t like this order “as an author,” and even more so “as a user.”

IG>> will I receive it? And the point of the subject then?
EM> To chat about “how we love our Spectrum and what we are
EM> ready for it”...

Probably... Or really - to pay for the 'honorable' right to be on the list in the
running line in the fifth block of the third loading introductory intros to the
super mega ultra Tetris. ;(

TY>> things for him? What then?
SN> Then his money will go to support those authors whom he wants
SN> to support. The rest will be supported by those who don’t care which
SN> authors they support ;) As you understand, nothing
SN> needs to be changed to implement this.

Guarantee?

08 Feb 98 21:21, Eugene Malkov reported to Sergei Novikov about {SOS project}:

EM> Miracle, as far as I know, was dumped on PC without releasing anything on the spec
EM> except for the pre-release Z-eXe, which was also sneezed at. Or are you talking about someone else?

Al Koval asked to clarify that Arty
dissuaded them from working on the Z-EXE magazine (like, you won’t do anything better than our Scenergy anyway :)

Warm greetings, Slava!

EM>> there is nothing on the spec except the pre-release Z-eXe, which was also
EM>> sneezed at. Or are you talking about someone else?

VM> Al Koval asked to clarify that Arty
VM> dissuaded them from working on the Z-EXE magazine (like, you won’t do anything better than our Scenergy
VM> anyway :)

Yeah, and then he persuaded them to continue, we know.
And Arty pulled them from the Spectrum to the PC too? You should listen to how they now speak about spec... The ears are withering.

Hasta la vista.
Tim Kelly