Promotion (second) of the Spectrum platform?!

What do the gentlemen of the Spectrumists think about SUBJ?
Can “Napoleon” ascend the throne for the second time after being exiled?
In other words, is it possible and, if possible, in what ways,
a new strengthening of the Spectrum?

With respect, Andrey Savichev/CGS

Sunday March 22 1998 07:58, Andrew Savichev wrote to All:
AS> What do the gentlemen of the Spectrumists think about SUBJ?
AS> Can “Napoleon” ascend the throne for the second time after his exile?
AS> In other words, is it possible and if possible, then in what ways,
AS> a new strengthening of the Spectrum?
And gentlemen they think this.....
It wouldn’t be bad at all.....
if of course the processor was compatible with the old Z80 processor yes
think right away about the video output, I think that if the spectrum
could rise it should have at least 800x600x256s
and the most important thing is that it would suit all circles of the population well, like
MAC for example.
Best regards.Alexandr

AS> Sincerely, Andrey Savichev/CGS

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AS> And the gentlemen think this.....
AS> It wouldn’t be bad at all.....
AS> if of course the percentage was compatible with the old Z80 processor yes
AS> think right away about the video output, I think that if the spectrum
AS> could rise, it should have at least 800x600x256c
AS> and the most important thing is that it suits all segments of the population, like
AS> MAC for example.

Someone said that the Z380 has a Z80 processor mode - if this is true, then that's
cool. If the specified resolution is (800x600x256c), then more
RAM, a larger screw, a fast video card, etc. will be required. - from here: unacceptable price -
from here: why the hell is all this fussing?
IMHO the success of Specky was (should have been) so huge because of the domestic
analogue parts and microcircuits used in it, as well as because of the simple
connection to a TV. So if we sculpt a more powerful Specky, it would be on the basis
of our microcircuits and certainly not use multilayer boards.
Can anyone tell me where you can buy this processor + manuals (in native language)
or here will tell you what it externally looks like, well, what color, size,
how many legs, etc.
And another question: if there is a processor. IMHO there must be a mother, does she exist?

With respect, Evgen.

Nothing is impossible. You just need to talk as little as possible and
do as much as possible.

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^^^
You're kidding, a MAC (normal) costs about $4,000 + an idiotic monitor about $1,000, I don't know
maybe this price suits you, maybe you're a billionaire ;) But I and many people are not satisfied with this
price, despite all its coolness. And by the way, imho no one in the echo is on
MAC, everyone is on PC and a little on Speccy or am I mistaken?
And soft? If you're going to take a license, no, if you're a billionaire, then of course! :) In our market I have seen at most 2-3 discs for PC/MAC, the rest are only
4 PC :(

P.S.: I would really like a MAC! (dreams, dreams)
P.P.S: By the way, if you are a billionaire, then maybe you can still give me a MAC for my birthday? Well, what is 3-4 bucks for a billionaire. :)

AS> Sincerely.Alexandr

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Tue 24 Mar 1998 02:36, Evgen Shablitskiy wrote to Andrew Savichev:

ES> Someone said that the Z380 has a Z80 processor mode - if this
ES> is true, then that's cool. If there is the specified resolution

Judging by the documentation and information on the ZILOG website, all of their processors are compatible with
Z80. Programs written for the Z80 will work on them (but not vice versa).

Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov

IMHO, in the form in which the Spectrum now exists (more precisely, in which it was
since 1982-86), it is probably already difficult to promote it, because They are too seducing potential users with all sorts of consoles, and those who are richer - PCs. In order for the Spectrum to be competitive now, it is necessary (and very necessary) to improve the graphics and sound (since this is usually what people pay attention to when evaluating a machine), but with improved graphics it is necessary to raise the clock speed. This is a way to raise the level of the Spectrum (from a children's car to a cheap home computer).
But in order to show these new Specky capabilities, we need
programs that use these same capabilities => programmers
need to work at full capacity. By the way, due to the increase in Specky's capabilities, the desired number of people in the team will increase. If now
one person can do a lot, then with the new capabilities he
will do the same amount, but in less time (this is in terms of drawing graphics,
writing music, as well as design). And since authors are also people and also want to eat (and not only eat), then they should receive something for their creations. And here we are again running into hackers, pirates and dishonest traders.
Somehow we need to get rid of them. It seems to me that by the time we gather
10 people here to order a branded CV, a hack will already arrive to us, which
canwill be free to write off. And here the natural human
sense of saving money will come into play:(
In general, I believe that promotion is possible, but it will not be easy to implement
it in practice. For my part, I say that our group will take
as much as possible in the promotion.

With respect, Roman aka Megus of Brain Wave corp.

[Team ZX-Spectrum] [Team Agatha Christie] [Team Metallica] [Team Iron Maiden]

AS>> 800x600x256s and the most important thing is that it suits everyone
AS>> circles of the population, well, like MAC for example.

AH> ^^^
AH> You're kidding, MAC (normal) costs about $4000 + a stupid monitor

- $2700 with a monitor. Moreover, the coolest one at the moment is G3.
A completely normal price... (I was offered Magic Soft for that amount of Amiga)
In Europe, G3 is the most popular computer now. During this month, 1500 pieces were sold.

AH> P.S.: I would really like MAC! (dreams, dreams)

If it’s for work - yes, but it’s so simple - why don’t you need it.

Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov

25 Mar 98 00:39, Andy Harchenko reported by Alexandr Snigirev about {Promotion
(second) of the Spectrum platform?!}:

AH> P.P.S: By the way, if you are still a billionaire, then maybe you can still give me a MAC for
AH> my birthday? Well, what is 3-4 bucks for a billionaire? :).

IMHO, unfortunately, it is impossible. :-( Impossible because with the death of
Inforkom the spektrumists were left without communication, without support. If we want to do something, then it needs a replacement. Secondly, we need to finally
settle the situation with the hardware. And then they talked here at one time about Sprinter - and
where is it? There was also such a GS here - where? There was such a KAY - who knows about it, except
Petersburg people? Etc. We need to finally establish distribution. Plus
the upgrade should be available on the periphery. I remember reading the ZX Review, and
they write tape loaders. Oh my God, it’s 1998!

Bye, with a pack of vignettes, Pavel Fedin.

Thursday March 26 1998 right at 01:59, Vyacheslav Mednonogov wrote to Andy Harchenko:

AH>> MAC for my birthday? Well, what is 3-4 grand
AH>> bucks for a billionaire? :). iP200MMX/64Mb/5.2Gb/17"x1600x1200/CDx24/SB/14400/LJ5L
Powered by iP200MMX/32Mb/4.3Gb/15"x1600x1280/CDx24/AWE64/33600

Thursday March 26, 1998 right at 03:21, Alexey Ivanov wrote to Andy Harchenko:

AI> - $2700 with monitor. Moreover, the coolest one at the moment is G3.
AI> Quite a normal price... (I was offered Magic Soft for that amount of Amiga)
AI> In Europe, G3 is the most popular computer now. During this month, 1500 pieces
AI> were sold.
Question: is this price that you wrote, is it also European or Moscow?

Once upon a time, specifically Tuesday March 24, 1998 at 02:36 Evgen Shablitskiy
wrote Andrew Savichev:

ES> IMHO Specky's success was (should have been) so huge because of
ES> domestic analog parts and chips used in it, and
ES> also because of the simple connection to the TV.

Not at all. Because of this, it eventually folds.
Its success was due to the absence at that time of a platform capable of competing on price.

With respect, Tim. tyu...@usa.net [team Aries is Rulez Forever]

AS> could rise, it should have at least 800x600x256s
Yes, yes! Finally, at least one person has come close to the truth!
Only without 3D Fx it won’t be a computer, but a toy. ;-)

AH> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
AH> I don’t understand, I just said that the most popular computer in Europe and
AH> is not needed right away. In terms of software, yes, it’s difficult, but if you deploy
AH> the platform, then the PC can be taken to the landfill.

Read carefully: if you work on it and earn money, but for toys
or for prestige it’s stupid to buy.

Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov

С вами был
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From Tim Yunaev → To All 27 March 1998

TY> With respect, Tim. tyu...@usa.net [team Aries is Rulez
TY> Forever]

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Sincerely, Evgen.

AH> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
AH> I don’t understand, I just said that the most popular computer in Europe is not needed right away
AH>. In terms of software, it’s difficult, but if the platform is deployed, then the PC
AH> can be taken to the landfill.

The mac is a professional machine, and the OS there is practically closed from
the user, and that’s right, why would any designer dig into the guts
of the system.

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AI>> If for work - yes, and so simply - why don’t you need it.

TY> Why don’t you need it at all. There is no pirated software for it, and
TY> it costs a lot of money.

Why not? Yes! In any passage, in tents... CD.

Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov

VB> AMIGA is cheaper and MAC is implemented on it in software and PC is also up to
Heh, heh, you want to say that AMMY will handle POWER MAC emulation at 200mhz?! And
by the way, a normal Amiga is not that cheap imho $2500 judging by the MS price lists.
Well, of course it can’t be compared with MAC prices, but still AMMY is far from a
good MAC.

VB> Windows and 3D toys.
^^^^^^^^^^
Run it, plz on the Amiga QUAKE2 or F22, then we'll talk ;)

VB> Vladimir Bogdanovitch.

VB> What kind of Amiga is this at such a wild price? With RPC at 1.1 GHz?

almost... but this is not on the topic of echo tag, one hell of a deal - robbery...

Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov

AI> Mon 30 Mar 1998 01:40, Vladimir Bogdanovitch wrote to Alexey Ivanov:

AI>>> - $2700 with monitor. Moreover, the coolest one at the moment is G3. Quite
AI>>> normal price... (I was offered Magic Soft for that amount of Amiga
AI>>>)

By the way, according to Infoart, Macs with G3/233MHz now cost $1,499 in Europe
(including a 15" monitor). In general, MacOS is such crap, worse than Windows, and the G3 is not
the best processor of the PowerPC series.
In general, I think that what makes a Mac cool is its hardware and software
for printing.

VB>> to
AH> Heh, heh, are you saying that AMMY will handle POWER MAC emulation at
AH> 200mhz?! And by the way, a normal Amiga is not that cheap imho $2500
AH> judging by MS price lists. Well, of course, you can’t compare with MAC’s prices, but
AH> AMMY is still far from a good MAC.
If you install an accelerator with a 250 MHz PPC (and there are already such), it will work.
Of course, it won’t be cheap. (the whole Ami with such an axel in our city costs $2,100).
AH> Launch it, plz on the Amiga QUAKE2 or F22, then we’ll talk ;)
If I buy the above-mentioned axel, I’ll launch it. But these games need to be released for Ami. While there is 68060 and Quake 1.

Vladimir Bogdanovitch.

30 Mar 98 01:40, Vladimir Bogdanovitch reported to Alexey Ivanov about {Promotion
(second) of the Spectrum platform?!}:

AI>> - $2700 with monitor. Moreover, the coolest one at the moment is G3.
AI>> Quite a normal price... (I was offered Magic
AI>> Soft for that amount of Amiga)

VB>>> 1.1GHz?

VM> I don’t know what Alex meant, but a dual-processor Amiga
VM> (PowerPC 603e/166MHz + 68040/25MHz) with 32MB of memory, 2GB HDD and
VM> 8xCDROM costs about $1,100.

K-6/266, ATX, 4Mb/3Dx video, 3.2 Gb HDD, 32 RAM, 24x CD-ROM,
Sound YAMAHA - 800$ - and this machine feeds me well
and not only me, but also my family ;) ...it’s pointless to talk about the coolness of this or that
computer in this case, since I really I’m working, and not
I’m just thrilled by the presence of a computer of this or that clone.

Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov

Tue 07 Apr 1998 00:16, Victor Moskalyov wrote to All:

VM> In general, MacOS is
VM> such crap, worse than Windows, and the G3 is not the best processor of the series
VM> PowerPC.

;) System8 is recognized as the best operating system in the world,
or are you out of spite, that from trading Amigas to "pure" PowerPC
can't switch? ;)

2All: did the documentation for the Z380 fly by?

Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov

VM> By the way, according to Infoart, Macs with G3/233MHz are now in Europe
VM> $1499 (including a 15" monitor). In general, MacOS is such crap, worse than Windows,

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It’s not really worse, but it definitely spoils people. And writing for it -%()

VM> Mac, it’s hardware and software for printing.

Nu-nu...

With respect, Nickolay Zabrodotsky AKA ProfeSSor F0lken
■Unsubscribed at 12:08.
... You should kill for this.

AI> ;) System8 is recognized as the best operating system in the world,
AI> or are you angry that you can’t switch from trading Amiga to “pure” PowerPC
AI>? ;)

he apparently heard that G3 is a lighter version of 604e+ (MC - like those letters)
although G3 is the first 'copper processor'. and MacOS is too independent and is not a 'real-time' system. but offtopic friends are like a broken phone ;)

Once upon a time, specifically Thursday April 09, 1998 at 00:52 Vyacheslav
Mednonogov wrote Vladimir Bogdanovitch:

VB>> What kind of Amiga is this at such a wild price? With PPC at 1.1GHz?
VM> Apparently, prices for everything Amiga in Moscow are tripled :) (Remember
VM> that MagicSoft writes Amiga compacts for $10 ;)))

And not only in Moscow. When I upgraded my 286 mother to a 386DX40, two of my acquaintances took Amigas at about the same time (one switched it to 486, and the second left for Israel). At the same time, I bought a 210 MB Vinci for $120, and they bought a
170 (?) Mb Vinci for $135. After which there was a lot of controversy about the fact that the Amiga
needs special ones. screws, which are much cooler than PC screws (no one could explain why they were cool). The dispute ended when the owner, who was leaving and selling various junk
sold me this screw for $50 (the screw turned out to be an ordinary IDE screw - where do they include them?) and after repartitioning and formatting it worked absolutely
normally, like the other 170 SeaGate.
After that, all the questions about the “coolness” and differences in the screws disappeared by themselves, and
after a while he I managed to find a mug and sell him my Amiga for the price of
486 mothers (as they did with him at one time).

By the way, [offtopic]: simm memory for LaserJet 6P is sold at crazy pricesprices
when, after some simple modifications, you can squeeze in regular 60ns 72 pin non-EDO
RAM. Both here and there they make money from people’s incompetence, that’s it.

Although there is nothing wrong with that.

With respect, Tim. tyu...@usa.net [team Aries are Rulez Forever]

Mon 13 Apr 1998 01:58, Tim Yunaev wrote to Vyacheslav Mednonogov:

TY> By the way, [offtopic]: simm memory for LaserJet 6P is sold at
TY> crazy prices, when after a simple modification you can
TY> shove regular 60ns 72 pin non-EDO RAM. Both here and there
TY> they make money from people's incompetence, that's it.

Not only to him, this applies to all Sims. I installed 4MB in my EPL-5500 for
38 rubles, but in the store, when buying a printer, they asked for 180!

I wonder what modules the Sprinter has memory on? And how much will they ask for them?

Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov

Somehow a long time ago, specifically Tuesday April 14, 1998 at 08:27 Alexey Ivanov
wrote by Tim Yunaev:

AI> Not only for him, this applies to all sims. I installed 4MB
AI> in my EPL-5500 for 38 rubles, but in the store, when buying a printer, they asked for 180!
AI> I wonder what modules the Sprinter has memory on? And how much will
AI> be asked for them?

Most likely, regular FastPage RAM, 4Mb (you can’t find less)

VM> Apparently, prices for everything Amiga in Moscow are tripled :) (Remember
VM> that MagicSoft writes Amiga compacts for $10 ;)))

VM>> Europe $1499 (including a 15" monitor). In general, MacOS is such a waste,
VM>> worse than Windows, and the G3 is not the best processor of the PowerPC series. In general, I
VM>> think that what’s cool about a Mac is its hardware and software for printing.

TY> And then - if you compare the quantitative offer of software and the quality/price,
TY> Mac hiding. And with hardware, the situation is already changing.

Quantity still does not mean quality. Yes, on the Mac there is less quantity,
but the quality is more important for companies that are professionally involved
and they don’t care about the price. It’s a different matter
small companies that don’t have money. In addition, the Mac has such a useful thing as a color management system, which is extremely useful
for printing. Pisyuk is resting here. And Adobe's programs
work more pleasantly on a Mac...

Despite all the shortcomings of MacOS, it is still more stable than
Windows, and, most importantly, much easier to work with.
And this is very important for “non-specialists” in the field of the system - a person
doesn’t have to waste time struggling with it!

As for the hardware: yes, the hardware changes, but here’s the architecture. then the PC remains the same - this is its bottleneck. The Mac, of course, has a more powerful architecture, and besides, PowerPCs have always been and will always be cooler than any Intel - this is logical.

No, I'm a realist. I know very well what MacOS, and Windows, and AmigaOS are.

Yes, of course, MacOS is the ideal system for lamers, and it is not surprising that
it is perhaps recognized as the best in the world. But as soon as a person comes out of the lame state, the slowness and “inflexibility” of MacOS begin to irritate. Plus the lack of multitasking...

And the transition to “pure” PowerPC on AMIGA is not so necessary.
The fact is that under AmigaOS both 68K applications
and PPC applications can be executed in parallel. The Amiga in this case functions as a
dual-processor system, where both PPC and 68K programs can simultaneously execute and exchange
data. All this became possible thanks to
the architecture and flexibility of AmigaOS
- by adding just one library to the system.
If you are interested in any additional information
on this issue, you can go to our company’s website: www.chat.ru/~amigadiv
or come to us!
Address: Lubyanka metro station, Polytechnic Museum, entrance 7D, from 12 to 18 pm except
Sunday and Monday.

AI> K-6/266, ATX, 4Mb/3Dx video, 3.2 Gb HDD, 32 RAM, 24x CD-ROM, Sound
AI> YAMAHA - 800$ - and this machine feeds me well
AI> and not only me, but also my family ;) ...it’s pointless to talk about the coolness of this or that computer in
AI> in this case, because I'm really working, and not
AI> I'm only dragged by the presence of a computer of this or that clone.

All this, of course, is cool. But here's one problem: it's not an Amiga,
it's a Windows one, not an Amigaos... ;)

I'm also not bothered by the presence of "this or that clone (?!?!??)" - I just
chose for myself the computer and OS on which I'm really comfortable, reliable, practical, powerful, flexible, etc. etc. And by the way, there are a lot of
ways to earn money without using a computer...

TY>> quality/price, Mack is hiding. And with hardware the situation is already changing.
VM> Quantity still does not mean quality. Yes, there is less quantity on a Mac,
VM> but there is more quality.

If you compare the price of products, the quality will be approximately the same.
As one of my friends who works on a Mac says, most people
are kept on it by habit, although there is a stable small outflow to PCs.

VM> Firms that are professionally engaged in anything are concerned primarily with
VM> quality and they will not stand behind the price.

But nevertheless However, they also know how to count money.

VM> It’s a different matter for small companies that don’t have money.

Which are the majority.

VM> In addition, the Mac has such a useful thing as a color management system
VM>, which is extremely useful for printing. Pisyuk is resting here.

No longer resting - there were announcements of video systems for PC (special video cards with special
monitors). By the way, it’s relatively inexpensive.

VM> Yes, and Adobe’s programs work more pleasantly on a Mac...

Adobe’s - yes. Because they were originally written for Mac, and then ported to PC.
Now the situation has changed to the opposite.

VM> Despite all the shortcomings of MacOS, it is still more stable
VM> than Windows

Yes. But they promised to show me an analogue of PhotoShop for UNIX; according to the promises, Win is no match for it. Well, we'll live- we'll see.

VM> and, most importantly, much easier to use. And this is very
VM> important for “non-specialists” in the field of the system - a person does not have to
VM> waste time fighting it!

Until he gets wiser. And then this system will _get it_.

VM> Regarding the hardware: yes, the hardware changes, but the architecture of the pisyuk
VM> remains the same - this is its bottleneck.

Hmm. What exactly has remained the same? Command compatibility with 8088?
Or video? Or addressable memory? Or the periphery? Or the frequency?

VM> Mac, of course, has a more powerful architecture, and besides
VM> PowerPCs have always been and will always be cooler than any Intel - this
VM> is logical.

“Cooler” is an incorrect concept in circuit design. What exactly is “cooler” and what
is “coolness” (in comparison, for example, with a PC of similar cost)?

VM> With the best wishes, MagiC/Extreme {magi...@usa.net}

^^^^^^^ :) a bad example
is contagious :))))))))

TY> Yes. But they promised to show me an analogue of PhotoShop for UNIX, according to the promises, Win is no match for it. Well, we'll wait -
TY> we'll see.

UNIX is rulez, but not for lamers... It's much easier to teach a person
to work in Win or MacOS. It is unlikely that any company will want to spend
more time and money on training an employee to work in UNIX.

VM>> and, most importantly, it is much easier to use. And this is very important
VM>> for “non-specialists” in the field of the system - a person does not have to waste
VM>> time fighting it!

TY> Until he grows wiser. And then this system will _get him_.

That's for sure! 100 points!!! That's why I'm on AMIGA :) But not all companies need deeper work with the system than MacOS provides...

TY>> and what is the “coolness” (in comparison, for example, with a PC
TY>> of similar cost)?
VM> At least by performance,

What is it measured by? _real_ (not digital) performance?

VM> not to mention a more powerful and convenient command system,

Let the compiler deal with the command system - its developers
get paid for it. And by default, RISC has a dumber command system than CISC.

VM> RISC architecture, etc. etc. By the way, PowerPCs with similar
VM> performance to Intel ones are, oddly enough, cheaper...

Where does the info come from? Especially about “similar performance” - how was
performance measured and what was taken as the standard?

TY> For normal operation they install UNIX.

I don’t think that an ordinary person will get into UNIX very easily the first time.
It’s too difficult. Why do you think Windows NT is gaining momentum now?
Yes, because it is 1000 times easier to work with ;)

TY> But it was precisely the timely focus on the private sector of IBM, Intel,
TY> Microsoft and others that led to the fact that other platforms are sitting in
TY> deep ass, with the exception of some highly specialized
TY> enterprises (or large corporate projects). I consider the 5%
TY> of the market that they have been given to them to be an ass.

Yes, of course, WIntel now dominates the private sector, but only in it
;)
There are areas where WIntel is in the ass, for example, video production.

TY> But everything that was developed over 8 years on a Mac will be transferred to the PC in
TY> two months.

I don’t think it’s all that simple.

TY> And the same layout designer doesn’t need to work with it. He needs to work with
TY> a specific program (the same Xs, for example), and he must work with the
TY> system as a root.

You know, a certain skill, I think, is still needed. So in UNIX this
ability is not as easy to obtain as in MacOS, WIN, etc...

TY> Most special effects (for example, Titanic) are made under Unix,
TY> Titanic was made under Linux.

About the fact that inWith free software (Linux), someone will do such an expensive project - I doubt it. In any case, I think that WinNT will soon take away a large piece of the market from UNIX & Co simply because it is easier to work with than UNIX.

VM> As for the fact that someone will do
VM> such an expensive project in free software (Linux), I doubt it. In any case, I think that WinNT in
VM> in the near future will take away a large piece of the market from UNIX & Co simply
VM> because of the ease of working in it than in UNIX.

don’t doubt it, this was said by the head at Netscape

VM> Apple shows real performance at exhibitions,
VM> showing in operation the PowerMac G3, which works 2 times faster than the
VM> standing next to it Compaq on Pentium II at the same frequency. But honestly
VM> speaking, I don’t really trust them.

integer... and fpu they don’t even stutter

VM> In my opinion, it’s time to change subj. Isn't it? ;)

The awesome answer was gone.

VM>> only in it ;) There are areas where WIntel is in the ass, for example,
VM>> video production.
PF> the effects in Titanic were created under Linux

And Babylon5 in Max

My best regards, Paul!
John Underwood

... UI120:ONFFAEDSAMTMKFRGDBLGAFDNIDAAKHABABQVKGHACFF

PF> don’t doubt it, the boss at Netscape said it

What does this have to do with a company that has the same relationship to special effects as a
racing car has to a combine harvester? ;)

PF> Cyrix - CISC processor is 25% faster than Intel's RISC, all in the way
PF> they do it.

Naturally faster, you have Cyrix ;)
And how long has Intel become a risk? ;)

PF> Powered by Cyrix 6x86L 200+/16DIMM/S3TrV2
PF> 2Mb/SBPro/Q1.6Gb/CDx8/USR33.6

With the best wishes MagiC^Extreme {magi...@usa.net}

JU> Tuesday May 12, 1998 21:15, Paul Falcon wrote to Victor Moskalyov, then
JU> i'm rejoin.

VM>>> Yes, of course, WIntel now dominates the private sector, but only
VM>>> in it ;) There are areas where WIntel is in ass, for example, video production.

VM> это уже смешно ;)

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Subject: 5. What kind of Special Effects does Babylon 5 have?

All special effects for Babylon 5 are computer generated imagery (CGI).
Foundation Imaging, headed by Ron Thornton, is utilizing Lightwave 3D and
specialized software to design and render the visual effects. (Lightwave is
now running on PCs; Amigas were used originally.) Space scenes are clearer
and more realistic than Model shots. Some interior shots such as docking bays
are "virtual sets" combining live action with computer imagery. Macintoshes
and PCs are used occasionally for 2-D effects and painting packages.

Starting in season 4, Foundation is no longer be doing B5's effects. They
are done in-house using similar equipment to Foundation's, headed up by
co-producer George Johnsen.

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Со всяческими regard'ами и wishes'ами.
Igor.

... Проще прощать себя, чем судить другого.

Hi Victor !

Tuesday May 19 1998 02:11, Victor Moskalyov wrote to John Underwood, then i'm
rejoin.

IG> From the FAQ on Babylon:
IG> Lightwave 3D and specialized software to design and render the visual

Not in Max, in Lightwave (what a difference ;)

[..........]

My best regards, Igor!

JU> What? Normal move! :)

you just need to be aware of the events that are happening in the world, and not sit
on ()() exactly, and you yourself will soon know a lot of things. and the effects in Titanic
were done under Linux, I can be more specific, some even in LightWave
NewTek writes this in every advertising brochure.

JU> Well, not in max, in Lightwave (what a difference ;)

lightwave has one advantage - it’s cheap $1500 LW <> $4000 MAX
so there’s a big difference.

PF>> the effects in Titanic were created under Linux

JU> And Babylon5 in max

bummer. it was all done on LightWave. (entire render)...

Good Luck...

... Madness takes it toll. Please have exact change.

PF> lightwave has one advantage - it is cheap 1500$ LW <> 4000$ MAX so
PF> that the difference is big.

and the rendering quality (of MAX) leaves much to be desired ;)

PF> you just need to be aware of the events that are happening in the world, and not
PF> sit on ()() exactly, and you yourself will soon know a lot of things. and the effects
PF> in
PF> Titanic were made under Linux, I can be more specific, some even in
PF> LightWave, NewTek writes this in every advertising brochure.

I don’t understand what Titanic has to do with it?! When I talked about the series BABYLOH 5 !!!
(there are no emoticons! I spoke without erony!)
About Max I was simply mistaken, I meant lightwave.

My best regards, Paul!

MR> break off. it was all done on LightWave. (entire render)...

Boo-boo-boo... We corrected this mistake from above, made by me, long ago!

My best regards, Max!

PF> so the difference is big.

Well... could you have a list of advantages and disadvantages + those. provide the data in response to my
joke in parentheses, Professor :)

My best regards, Paul!

VM> and the quality of rendering (of MAX) leaves much to be desired ;)

I sit at LW 8 hours a day, on weekdays ;) and I see what is being done in LW
(and has been done), including rendering, fortunately I can create something myself, and
what is being done in MAX R2.5 are two big differences. in my office they recently made
a video called 'Persia', they just did it like that for no reason, but
I have never seen such high-quality graphics, and it was made in MAX R2.

so, to put it mildly, you are mistaken.

I’m sitting here, reading, and suddenly I see Max Romanoff writing to Paul Falcon...

Hi Max!

PF> lightwave has one advantage - it’s cheap $1500 LW <> $4000 MAX so
PF> that’s a big difference.

MR> not only that, but also what started in LW, and halfway
MR> changing the software to a completely new one, and not compatible with existing
MR> developments did not make sense.

you have to be a big fool to change the program halfway.

JU> Well... we could have a list of advantages and disadvantages + tech. provide the data in response
JU> of my joke in parentheses, Professor :)

Apparently, my comrade was caught too seriously ;)

PF> I sit at LW 8 hours a day, on weekdays ;) and I see what is being done in
PF> LW (and has been done), including rendering, fortunately I can create something myself
PF>, and what is being done in MAX R2.5 are two big differences. in my
PF> office they recently made a video called 'Persia', they just did it
PF> for nothing, but I have never seen such high-quality graphics, and
PF> it was made in MAX R2.
PF> so you are mistaken, to put it mildly.
This is a problem for ZX.SPECTRUM :)))))))))
However, how very related to this business...
LW has built-in ray-trace rendering. Therefore, its render quality is really better compared to the built-in renderer in MAX2. However, there are as many rendering algorithms from third companies as possible! There's even RadioRay. And about him in a reputable magazine they wrote: “The render quality of radio rays is often higher than the quality of live photographs” \:=[ ]

All the best, Denis Maltov AKA Oz [Digital Reality Team]
FIDO: 2:5032/7.74 E-mail tri...@telecom.nov.ru

PF> (and it was done) including rendering, fortunately I can create something myself,
PF> and
PF> what is done in MAX R2.5 are two big differences. in my office
PF> they made
PF> recently a video called 'Persia', they just did it for no reason, but
PF> I have never seen such high-quality graphics, and it was made in MAX R2.