MS-DOS <-> TR-DOS

There are programs on the Spectrum that allow you to broadcast (distill)
individual files from MS-DOS to TR-DOS and vice versa.
Please give me such a program/programs. Very necessary!!!

Sincerely yours,
Eugene

From: Eugene Semenov (2:5015/64.7):

ES> There are programs on the Spectrum that allow you to broadcast (distill)
ES> individual files from MS-DOS to TR-DOS and vice versa.
ES> Please give me such a program/programs. It's very necessary!!!

Can we appoint a person who will send out small programs like
hobets and zcop'a (soap) to those in need?

PS: I'm not the one ;)

ES>> translate (distill) individual files from MS-DOS to TR-DOS and
ES>> vice versa. Please give me such a program/programs. It's very necessary!!!

SN> Maybe we can appoint a person who will send small
SN> programs to those in need like hobets and zcop'a (soap)?

SN> PS: I'm not the one ;)

Analogous!

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ES>> There are programs on the Spectrum that allow
ES>> to translate (distill) individual files from MS-DOS to TR-DOS and
ES>> vice versa. Please give me such a program/programs. Very necessary!!!

Post a monthly FAQ, and with it Hobet and Zcop. Somewhat less
possible Teledisk.

2IG: How do you feel about this?

With respect, Roman aka Megus of Brain Wave corp.

[Team ZX-Spectrum] [Team Agatha Christie] [Team Metallica] [Team Iron Maiden]

... Or are you unforgiven too?

It seemed to me that the question concerned programs on the Spectrum, and not on the PC.
If this is so, then the easiest way is to use the basic IS-DOS kit, namely
programs from_msd.com, to_msdos.com, from_trd.com and to_trdos.com.
Programs from the proprietary ZX WORD package work somewhat worse
(especially when writing to an IBM disk, then it is not always possible to read on a PC,
it seems there is an error in the FAT recording), in addition, they cut the file into 26K pieces.
Other programs,I don’t know anyone capable of making SUBJ competently.
If you need to distill text files, then IS-DOS is better, then it’s more convenient to work with these texts.

With best wishes,
Vadim

And the salary? :)
Sincerely
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SN>> Maybe we can appoint a person who will send out small programs like hobets and zcop (soap) to those in need?

VY> If this is so, then the easiest way is to use the basic IS-DOS kit, and
VY> namely
VY> the program from_msd.com, to_msdos.com, from_trd.com and to_trdos.com.

Not always. IS-DOS is terribly slow in this case.

VY> Programs from the proprietary ZX WORD package work somewhat worse
VY> (especially when writing to an IBM disk, then it is not always possible to read on
VY> PC, it seems there is an error in the FAT recording), in addition, they cut the file into
VY> pieces of 26K.

There are no errors in the ZX-Word 2.1 package, but this copier likes to glitch
and reset. ;-) But if it doesn’t glitch, it will record it conscientiously. Works
quickly. Cuts the file only when writing to TR-DOS discs.

Bye, with a pack of vicious, Pavel Fedin.

VY> Если это так, то проще всего использовать базовый комплект IS-DOS, а
VY> именно
VY> программы from_msd.com, to_msdos.com, from_trd.com и to_trdos.com.

ES> There are programs on the Spectrum that allow you to broadcast (distill)
ES> individual files from MS-DOS to TR-DOS and vice versa.
ES> Please give me such a program/programs. I really need it!!!

Me too. It is advisable that it be copied not to disk but to .trd!

Best regards, CAPTAIN/56.

VS> Similar !
Damn, when I try to copy a crappy file to a hard drive, it yells at
me with the words “Is not a hobeta file.” But it is necessary - so that it does not scream, and preferably not on
a real disk but in a tradashnik.
Sincerely, CAPTAIN/56.

It’s quiet outside the window, and I’m sitting and writing a response to a letter written from Dmitry Meniaylov
to Vitaly Samoylov Wed Dec 17, 1997 at 06:21 pm...

DM> Damn, when I try to copy a crap file to a hard drive, he yells at me
DM> with words "Is not a hobeta file." And it is necessary - so as not to scream,

Shift-F5 or alt-F5. I don't remember. In the hobeta.

DM> and preferably not to a real disk but to a trdeshnik.

Use the utility 2hobeta.com it seems. From Misha Kondratyev. She will turn _any_ file into a desire.

With all sorts of regards and wishes.
Igor.

... We all make mistakes. Some more, others all the time.

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In ancient times (17 Dec 97), Ser Dmitry wrote on a scroll Vitaly Samoylov,
Bequeathing "MS-DOS <-> TR-DOS", and today (21 Dec 97) I decided intervene:
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ML> Gon. He doesn't like Basic files, he copies according to the length of the file in bytes,
ML>, which is unacceptable for Basic files. It copies the codes correctly.

Yes, but IMHO there is no need to copy BASIC on a PC - nothing will understand it there. Besides, BASIC in TR-DOS is a complete perversion. Length should
be length, not who knows what.

DM>> yells at me with the words “Is not hobeta file”. And it is necessary - so as not to scream,

IG> Shift-F5 or alt-F5. I don't remember. In the hobet.

In the hobet 2.15 (!), in the earlier ones - not.

Warm greetings, Slava!

VM> In hobeta 2.15 (!), in earlier ones - not.

I had an earlier one. Now I’ve rewritten the normal one, and that’s it. oh if
it worked with the image (.trd) - there would be a steering wheel.

Sincerely, CAPTAIN/56.

Hallo Pavel!

Sunday December 21, 1997 14:22, Pavel Fedin wrote to Max Lanskih:

PF> Besides, BASIC in TR-DOS is generally a perversion.

PF> Length should be length, not who knows what.

When _copying_ the length is determined by the number of sectors.
And perversion is not BASIC in TR-DOS, and TR-DOS itself! ;)

Sincerely, George

VS> Well, you can copy it through is-dos!

Yeah. From Copen to Hagen via Kryzhopol.

Best regards, CAPTAIN/56.

DM> I had an earlier one. Now I’ve rewritten the normal one, and that’s it. o
DM> if it worked with the image (.trd) - there would be a steering wheel.

So what's the problem? Use the 2hobeta utility. She will turn _any_ file into a hobet one. Even megabyte. (cuts into pieces of 255 sectors).

GS> When _copying_ the length is determined by the number of sectors.

I'm aware. ;-)

GS> And the perversion is not the BASIC in TR-DOS, but TR-DOS itself! ;)

I agree. ;-)))

PF> Yes, but IMHO there’s no need to copy BASIC to a PC - it won’t be understood there
Well, you can run it in emulsion like that. You can write all sorts of dregs onto the MS-based disk,
and then zcop it into *.trd
PF> and nothing. Besides, BASIC in TR-DOS is a complete perversion. Length should
PF> be length, not who knows what.
Here I agree with you.

ML> Well, you can use emuls like that. On an MS-based disk you can write all sorts of dregs
ML> and then zcop it into *.trd

Isn’t it easier to finally teach the emulator to read Spectrum disks?

PF> Isn’t it easier to finally teach the emulator to read Spectrum disks?
Simpler is simpler, but so far no one has been able to do it,
so you have to pervert.

ML> It’s simpler, but so far no one has been able to do it,
ML> so you have to pervert.

What does “No one can do it” mean? Khobeta reads, after all. Here I
installed a PC emulator, give me Hobeta, patched to read from 3.5"
floppy drives, some kind of emulator, and an assembler, and I'll try to do it myself.

ML> Simpler, it’s simpler, but so far no one has been able to do it,
ML> so we have to pervert.

PF> What does “No one can do it” mean? Khobeta reads, after all. Here I am
And the conversation seemed to be about emuls, and not about HoBeta.
PF> I installed a PC emulator, give me Hobeta, patched for reading from
PF> 3.5" drives, some kind of emulator, and an assembler, and I'll try to do it
PF> myself.

PF>> What does “No one succeeds” mean? Khobeta reads, after all. Here I am here
ML> And the conversation seemed to be about emuls, and not about HoBeta.

What is the difference between them? I mean if hobeta can read, then
why can't the emulator?

PF> reading from 3.5" drives, some kind of emulator, and assembler, and I myself
PF> I'll try to do this.

Can't all this really be found in Moscow? We have it in Krasnoyarsk.

Vladimir Bogdanovitch.

PF> What is the difference between them? I mean if the hobeta can read,
PF> then why can't the emulator?
yeah, what about compatibility with TR-DOS?

All the best to you,
Kirill

... It's now safe to turn off your computer.

PF> What is the difference between them? I mean, if the hobeta can read, then
PF> why can’t the emulator?
Yes, that’s the question.

PF>> What's the difference between them? I mean if hobeta can read then

PF>> What is the difference between them? I mean if hobeta can read, then
PF>> why can't the emulator?

PF> And here is the answer: Curve hands.
Probably this, or maybe the awesome laziness of our (Soviet) coders???

With Best Wishes. [TEAM Speccy-r00leZ] [TEAM x-fILes]
[TEAM the Pr0digY] MaGeLan.

VB> Is it really impossible to find all this in Moscow? In Krasnoyarsk we have that
VB>.

It’s possible, but I don’t feel like dragging myself to someone for this, but my modem connection is
crap.

VB> Vladimir Bogdanovitch.

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PF> Compatibility of what?
file system ;)
For example, what should the emulsion respond to CAT? List all hobet files
in the current directory? Okay, you can make a “one-time” :) emulsion, and specify the host file on the command line, for example: zxemu.exe ufo2.$b , but what will happen if there really is the same ufo2? :) IMHO, the only thing that can be
run under such an emulator is some magic ;) So, IMHO, this is a hopeless matter....
Moral: if the file systems are not compatible, you can’t do without an _image_
disk/tape/whatever.
Available?

All the best to you,
Kirill

ZY. Funny thing: put the program from a cassette into a .wav file and emulate a tape recorder with a soundblaster :)))

... Error: nothing to do!

With the quiet rustling of the HDD Wed January 14 1998 23:43, Kirill Koldov typed for Pavel
Fedin:

SH> For example, what should the emulsion respond to CAT? List all hobet
SH> files in the current directory? Okay, you can make a “disposable” :) emulsion, and

you don’t need to do it so it drops into the emulsion menu and on the one hand you have tr-dos
disk images, and on the other the current directory. So that you enter the disk image as a directory and write what you need into it directly from the screw. If they are hostile, then it will recognize and
write them as normal files. if anything else, then one to one. and so that there is no limit on the length of the file. I wanted to copy 5kb to the image I wanted 500kb
just don’t say that it’s impossible. over there, the convert commander takes files of ANY length
and copies normally.

With respect, Shor Kan.
In this world, only two things are infinite: the Universe and human stupidity.

^^^^^
SH>> hobet files in the current directory? Okay, we can make
SH>> a “disposable” :) emulsion, and
^^ who is this? -=8-( ) like I wrote...

AP> you don’t need to do it so it dropped into the emy menu and on the one hand you
AP> tr-dos disk images, and on the other the current directory. So that you enter the
AP> disk image as if it were a directory and write what you need into it directly from the screw. If
AP> are hostile, then it will recognize and record as normal files. if anything else
AP> then one to one. and so that there is no limit on the file length. wanted
AP> copied 5kb onto an image wanted 500kb

so what do you need the same Spectrum Navigator??! :-/

AP> just don’t say that it’s impossible. over there the converter commander takes files
AP> of ANY
AP> length and copies normally.

What does this have to do with copiers? It seems that they were talking about an _emulator_, which should be able to
run hobets 8)

AP> With respect, Shor Kan.
AP> In this world, only two things are infinite: the Universe and human
AP> stupidity.

All the best to you,
Kirill

Wednesday January 14 1998 23:43, Kirill Koldov wrote to Pavel Fedin:

KK> specify the host file on the command line, for example: zxemu.exe ufo2.$b, but
KK> what will happen if there really is the same ufo2? :) IMHO,
The output is splitted .tdr. I stuffed a couple of necessary files onto this .tdr and cut it off.
You just need to teach the emul this.

Dmitry.

Saturday, January 17, 1998, 17:29. Dmitry Shevchenko turned to Kirill Koldov:
Re: MS-DOS <-> TR-DOS!

KK>> specify the host file on the command line, for example: zxemu.exe
KK>> ufo2.$b , but what will happen if there really is the same
KK>> ufo2? :) IMHO,

Well, I overdid it here :) ufo2 in the hobette :)))

DS> The output is splitted .tdr. I stuffed a couple of necessary files
DS> into such a .tdr and cut off
DS>. You just need to teach emul this.

I agree, this is the way out. But what if you need to _write_ to disk? And not to an existing file, but to create a new one? It’s another matter if in the hobet file you store
information about the spec disk on which it is “recorded” :) Then .$* can
be stored in the heap in one directory, but what if one file, for example, boot.$b
lies on several disks at once... :-/

Oh! IDEA! What if you make a floppy disk descriptor file, which stores links
to hobet files and information from the 8th sector of the Trdos directory? And throw all the hobets into one heap somewhere! This results in double savings! Those. In addition
to the absence of huge disk images, multiple disk descriptors can refer
to the same file. Instead of keeping 10 boots for 10 floppy disks, just one is enough! But if these boots are different... And again, a problem arises with
backup: when changingof a file on one floppy disk, all its copies
on others are immediately changed, and when changing the file size, you can “ruin” the “disk”...unless
keep them in different directories... But, IMHO, you can come up with something here, that’s a
another question ;)

Hey, emulator creators, what’s the idea? 8)

DS> Dmitry.

All the best to you,
Kirill

... I got an idea of ​​something we can do with a gun

KK>> specify the host file on the command line, for example: zxemu.exe ufo2.$b ,
KK>> but what will happen if there really is the same ufo2? :) IMHO,
DS> Output - splitted .tdr. I stuffed a couple of necessary files into this .tdr and

Hello Vova!

Sunday January 18 1998 08:26, Vova Hex wrote to Dmitry Shevchenko:

18 Jan 98 12:38, Kirill Koldov wrote to Dmitry Shevchenko:

KK> Oh! IDEA! What if you make a floppy disk descriptor file, in which
KK> links to hobet files and information from the 8th sector
KK> of the Trdos directory are stored? And dump all the hobets into one
KK> pile! This results in double savings! Those. In addition to avoiding huge
KK> disk images, multiple disk descriptors can refer to
KK> the same file. Instead of keeping 10 boots for 10
KK> floppy disks, one is enough! But if these boots are different... And again
KK> a problem with backup arises: when you change a file on one
KK> floppy disk, all its copies on the others immediately change, and when
KK> changing the file size you can “ruin” the “disk”...unless
KK> keep them in different directories... But, IMHO, you can come up with something here
KK>, that’s another question ;)

KK> Hey, emulator creators, what's your idea? 8)
There is something in the idea, but you are mistaken when you think that
three hundred small files will take up less space than six large ones.
As is known in MS-DOS, files are stored in clusters of 4,8,16,32 KB.
If your screw partition is more than a gigabyte, then any file less than
32Kb will take up 32KB, and a file with a length of 32Kb+1b will take up
64Kb. That is, 20 files, one byte eachwill take the place of one image
TRD (640Kb), when in this image the same files will take only 5 Kb.

Sincerely
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Monday, January 19, 1998, 10:12. Vladimir Yudin turned to Kirill Koldov:
MS-DOS <-> TR-DOS!

KK>> Hey, emulator creators, what’s your idea? 8)
VY> There is something in the idea, but you are mistaken when you think that
VY> three hundred small files will take up less space than six large ones.
but I didn’t think so, I didn’t think about it at all%) The idea came, I wrote it down,
before I forgot, instead of a piece of paper Grandfather happened to be at hand %)
VY> As is known in MS-DOS, files are stored in clusters according to 4,8,16,32 KB.
VY> If your screw partition is larger than a gigabyte, then any file less than
VY> 32Kb will occupy 32KB, and a file with a length of 32Kb+1b will occupy
VY> 64Kb. That is, 20 files of one byte each will take the place of one image
VY> TRD (640Kb), when in this image the same files will take up only 5 Kb.
IMHO, the conversation started about emulators that can run host files.
And the latter, surprisingly, for the most part have a size of ~32 or 64K

To you,
Kirill

... I haven't lost my mind, it's backed up on tape somewhere!

I greet you from the bottom of my heart, Kirill!

Sun Jan 18 1998, Kirill Koldov squeezed the keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach Dmitry
Shevchenko:

KK> Well, here I overdid it :) ufo2 in the hob :)))

Well, why - thanks to the efforts of various hackers, there is a version of UFO2 on Holos,
in file form. It is dragged onto the emulsion with a hobeta.

Hasta la vista.
Tim Kelly

Hello Kirill!

Sunday January 18 1998 12:38, Kirill Koldov wrote to Dmitry Shevchenko:

DS>> Exit - splitted .trd. I stuffed a couple of necessary
DS>> files onto this .trd and cut it off. You just need to teach emul this.
KK> I agree, this is the way out. But what if you need to _write_ to disk? Why not
KK> into an existing file but create a new one? Another thing is if in the hobet file
Append the image when writing a sector. When reading - return "empty"
sectors.

KK> Oh! IDEA! What if you make a floppy disk descriptor file in which
KK> links to hobet files and information from the 8th sector of the TRDOs directory are stored? And all
Perverted.

Dmitry.

Wednesday, January 21, 1998, 17:01. Eugene Malkov turned to Kirill Koldov: MS-DOS
<-> TR-DOS!

EM> Well, why - thanks to the efforts of various hackers, there is a version of UFO2 on
EM> Holos, in file form. It is dragged onto the emulsion using a hobeta.

Hmm... interesting... And how is it? Does it work?

To all of you,
Kirill

... I got an idea of ​​something we can do with a gun

KK> Hmm... interesting... And how is it? Does it work?

No problem. On the Spectrum my friend went all the way, but on the emulator I was torn. :)

With all sorts of regards and wishes.
Igor.

... How meaningless a person becomes when he loses his temper.

With Best Wishes. [TEAM Speccy-r00leZ] [TEAM x-fILes]
[TEAM the Pr0digY] MaGeLan.

IG> No problem. On the Spectrum, my friend went all the way, on the emulator I was broken
IG>. :)

Wow! I would like such girlfriends!

Sincerely, CAPTAIN/56.

17 Dec 97 18:21, Dmitry Meniaylov wrote to Vitaly Samoylov:

DM> Damn, when I try to copy a dirty file to a hard drive, he yells
DM> at me with the words “Is not a hobeta file.” And it is necessary - so that it doesn’t scream,

don’t try to press on the shift (nito alt)?

DM> and preferably
DM> not on the real disk but in the trdeshnik.

zcop take it

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