Party Reflections
(c) Diver/4D
(c) Gas 13
Dvr> During the MilleniuM, we
encountered some problems,
I already wrote about something in the Votelist to
this component and the previous article, but I would like to add something
now.
First, it is clear that the rule was a mistake
"2 tracks/author." Why
it was done - clearly, they were afraid of little
number of works. But now there are none
doubts that 1 work from the author is
enough.
Gas> Besides, in my opinion, it’s more interesting
when not only jobs compete, but also
their authors. In the case where 2 were taken
work, this would lead to confusion with
in some places.
Dvr> Yeah. Separation into copy and nocopy I, yes and
I'm not the only one who thinks it's a good idea. Problem
copying hurt and hurts very much
many, especially in graphics. After summing up
results, I believe, a lot has fallen into place
places, since I didn't bother anyone in nocopy.
Gas> In my opinion, in music it’s no less
current problem. For example, Millenium
copy music stands out for the better. B
nocopy rare Mouzons outperform the average
themes from copy. In gfx compo it occurs
problem of conscience and honor (honesty). On
MilleniuM seems like no one has anything in nocopy
copied, but in future nocopy compo I
I'm afraid people won't take up enough space in
copy gfx and they will reach nocopy with
with your conversions. After all, to be 3rd in
nocopy can be more prestigious than 1 in
copy.
Dvr> ek you guessed right aboutits place ;-)
Gas> And tracking a copy is very difficult.
I would also like to say about the graphics:
that a good conversion takes more
time than some original
work. UnBEL!EVER is wrong when he says
that there is no independence in conversion.
To understand, you just need to try it.
To know or prove (try),
or believe. Science chooses first
path (second - MOULDER :))...
In general, people tend to differentiate between conversion
and redrawing. At first glance the difference
ready-made contours available. But really
in fact, when redrawing it is easier to introduce
changes, especially if the screen is complex,
you can adjust the colors to match the squares, etc.
To be transferred from another platform
the work looked normal on Spec
color screen (this means not just
coloring), you need to invest so much
independence... It's the same as
the bare tree on which yours appear
(!) buds and leaves. It's a completely different matter
when they take the work and move it cleanly.
But the worst thing is when they take Speck’s job. At the same time
one gets the impression (if you haven’t seen
original) that it is very high quality
conversion. I think the rules are copy gfx
it is necessary to prohibit transfer from other specovsky
screens. For example Neuronus. Too good
I know those clouds of smoke. In the picture sektor$ I am
studied and applied this method on the screensaver to
KrNEWS 11, and then on "Eruption!"
Dvr> Well, I was really hoping thatMilleniuM got away with it
without it.
I thought that the textures were similar to Neuronus
and sektor$ - just a similarity, but there’s the whole truth
background, absolutely everything! taken from the picture
sector$ by Sava Magic. Yes, perhaps we should
next time such things should be banned, and
Now, in principle, there are contradictions with the rules
not observed.
Hmm, next, why am I talking about party...
Secondly, when conducting preselection
in music (which was conducted on the Spectrum
for the first time) another idea arose -
division of music compo into traditional and
alternative. It's stupid to throw away
non-standard minimal techno components, and leave the boring
pop music, focusing on the fact that people do not
will appreciate the same Ironman... Thank God, we
managed to avoid this by radically changing
comp rules... But, much more logical
now, organizing music compo, give
musicians have some scope for creativity and freedom of choice, and
at the same time simplify the music compo,
by reducing the number of tracks per nomination.
After all, more than once we have already seen complaints in
press on the much disliked acid/techno
music that tires them out at real parties. A
so - divide everything into traditional and
alternative - let people choose for themselves
than they will participate, and voters -
will know in advance what to expect from
upcoming compos.
I think this idea is even better
division into copy/nocopy music. From copying
you have to try to leave, it’s completely
not progressive, but secessionalternative -
the process is natural.
In addition, it is possible to hold limited music
compo. For example, music is limited
duration or size, although in
For AY music, size is not so relevant,
but still, it's an idea. After all, something to do with
music compo is definitely necessary, because even
in the most stripped down form (1 author/1 track)
Everyone is already tired of it.
Gas> In my opinion, the solution must be sought in
the following: the whole problem is that
pretty boring (MilleniuM: 27 Mouzons per
about 2 minutes) sit in front of the
a black screen without any significant signs of life.
Players get bored sooner or later,
There remains an appeal to Best View. She's good
music that goes well.
For example, Scratcher/E-MAGE, in my opinion nowhere
has not been exhibited, but everyone knows him how
good musician.
Dvr>Yes, perhaps you need to turn on the compo-player so that voters don’t get bored.
By the way, it would be nice to screw it up in terms of including the necessary
stereo standard and emulation AY to YM and vice versa (as for example in this
newspaper issue). Why do you just need to force the authors of the music to enter into the forms?
parameters of their computers and everything. Then everything will sound different
how, but how it should, and, by the way, there is no need to close
eyes and ears to the fact that the track written in scorpion (BAC-stereo,
AY-chip), sounds completely different on the more or less standard YM+ABC.
Gas> In any case, music compo should be
at least tocoders, not
those who could write good music could
turn to musicians for help, work
which they liked. In connection with this,
I think it would be nice if, along with
the author's name in the final collection of works
its coordinates were published (with the consent of
the author of course).
Dvr> And spectrum music compo on cc000 is a little ill-conceived IMHO.
After all, on PC/Amiga we have 45 tracks (alternative, traditional,
4channel MOD). And on zx - 15 tracks + preselect... IMHO,
organizers will face the harshest
problem - cutting off according to unknown parameters half of the entire
zx music, if not more. I understand that
someone doesn't like AY-music, and PC/Amiga for
sounds to an untrained user
nicer, but it all looks like
forced transfer of musicians from
ZX on PC :( In short, I suggest
introduction of spectrum alternative music compo,
so that the authors themselves think where to go
exhibit music, and the preselection committee
could disqualify if necessary
pop music exhibited by alternative and vice versa.
Let's go back to graphics compo. Here, perhaps,
there are no such simple solutions, at least
for me personally. Not visible on the chart
such a strong influx as in music and,
It would seem that there are no problems here...
except copying and converting.
Once again I will speak about copying by me
works with PC/Amiga:
1. They say that I choose on purpose
works that took first place and use
alreadyproven ideas. To this I
I’ll answer that it doesn’t matter to me what place
got busy working at some party, and how
I watched it recently - I only watched it twice
copied the 1st places - for Scenergy#2 and for
#Z80#6. It often happens that I just
I see a picture, I don’t know where it comes from,
was it exhibited at all on compo or not...
she has the strongest effect on me
I'm impressed and I just can't resist
and I draw. For me pc/amiga scene is simple
part of the surrounding world, there are thousands of works,
from which I single out units, sometimes
just some pieces of paintings, some
images, features... IMHO this is strong
different from the blunt conversion of the first
places...
Gas> Converting is enough
a complex process if you don't approach it
biased. Everyone has to start somewhere.
The time will come, both Diver and I will draw
completely independent work (I have already
took the first step). Just if right away
start drawing without knowing certain
methods and options, you will have to constantly
reinvent the wheel.
Dvr> 2. They say that I am converting... :)
Pride - conversion, We_rulez - converted
and a completed photo... maybe I'm behind
from life and all progressive people for a long time
just convert graphics without bothering
yourself by manual labor? In short, I'm already
I'm tired of talking about this, but I only converted it 3 times:
LSD pills for JAM, graphics for Margo on GBC and fragments
sprites for Scenergy#2 menu. Everything else is almostnot
entirely placed pixel by pixel in
EDP1_1demo, no matter how crazy it sounds.
Although my fixation on stage
pictures of course sux... :)
Regarding compo in general. In my opinion no longer
only mine, at all parties there is one
big omission - when demonstrating works
the audience watches only the work itself and its
number. But the title of the work is its
AN ESSENTIAL part. Of a nameless fate
The only thing we avoided, it seems, was working with Complex,
Millenium, and possibly at DoxyCons, I
I don't remember exactly. But at our parties
They always forget about it. But the name
the picture or track is not given by a flashlight...
And don’t be afraid of what the name says
people will guess the author, because they guess that way
by sound or drawing technique, and
in general, if the author is in an urge, then he himself
will tell everyone what it looks/sounds like
work. In short, with namelessness it is necessary
finish, definitely.
Gas> A little about the results of MilleniuM, not
in terms of distribution of seats, but in the sense of "on
"What do we need it for?" I've already tried to touch on this
topic in KrNEWS 11. Now I’ll develop it a little
your thought. So... As I said,
there are no problems with graphics and music (with
the music was even too much), it would be
an opportunity to express yourself. The result
it became that a couple of dozen people
tried our strengths, learned our weaknesses and
strengths. I'm sure the next one
compo these same people will draw conclusions and
perhaps they will achieve higher
results. After all, everything is known incomparison. And where, if not on such
virtual compo you can compete
with Fil or Diver. Of course it's bad that
some progressive artists
ignored this event, citing
various ailments ;). But I think that's the point
time. The main thing is to start, and then...
Congratulations to all participants and
organizers with an excellent debut.
Dvr> yes, motherfucker, I congratulate you too
;-), almost all musicians took part,
Well, the artists let us down a bit - Paracels
was busy
inspiration did not descend on Hazard,
Monarch... I don’t know what’s wrong with him, but Kvazar
was aware of the rules and other things - apparently in
it was a waste to send the work, I don’t know. Because
like Monarch's and published like that
10 percent of all graphics will be released later
gallery2, with another fifty paintings - so what,
I wonder if you shouldn’t have participated?
Gas> This is where the real potential is
is wasted. Honestly, I don't
the passivity of some comrades is understandable
(who are not our comrades at all). Time
it was... Nik-O without the Internet and found it
way to get involved. In short, it would be
desire... Reluctance can be explained
mistrust of virtual compo.
Dvr> Continuing the party theme... here another idea came up,
that the vote is on cc000 demo compo
should be carried out in two categories -
design and code. Perhaps there is something in this
there is... a thirst for objectivity can lead
and not that far. But, in my opinion, if people don't
are able to evaluate the problem comprehensively, based oncode
and design at the same time, then separately
it won't be much easier. Design, IMHO,
everyone evaluates everything and is always very ambiguous,
only more or less advanced people agree
in opinion, and even then, again, not always. And the code...
Can everything really be seen by eye?
how many frames does one or another work?
effect - 3 or 4? And how much
Are the criteria for evaluating the code clear? After all, they
everyone has theirs? Who can tell the difference in 10-20 seconds?
chunk animation of medium complexity from
fancy 3D effect? All? After all, speech
is about voting at the party (remember,
even the tunnel at the end of Napalm
partyplace was taken as an effect), and boundaries
between animation and code are not so different
clear... In my opinion, the code is sophisticated
can only be assessed by professionals who have dug deep
with your own hands in demo. In general,
probably evaluate the code in demos
it makes no sense, for example, I’ve been thinking for a long time
that design is more important for everyone, and code is
background, for pure competition
there is an intro compo code, where there is no
animation (well, almost) and the art of coding
naked to the limit. Although against
experiments with the rules I don't do anything
I have, who knows, maybe this time
the results will satisfy more people
people, or at least those who
came up with this division... And in general, maybe
be, then introduce a demo assessment not only by
design and code, but also music? And clearly
stipulate which aspects should be assessed in each
nominations... In short, justremember how they are assessed
films nominated for Oscars.
The conclusion from this article is simple: not everything is done yet.
said and invented in the field of various compo and
organizers will have to rack their brains trying to please
to the viewer.
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