On-Line #66 22 декабря 1996

ZXNet

Mosaic - "Controversy" on the statute ZXNet.

                MOSAIC


(C) ARTMAN

         When you want to split the egg and beat him outside.
         A trust can be broken only from the inside. Sit on it
         and wait, when the chick would detonate the entire 
shell.           ... Yes, it is gray, each trust is in the chest

          the seeds of its own destruction ...
                 O. Henry, "Cabbages and Kings. Novels"
          Lenizdat 1986. "Trust, which is bursting str.368


   Read the violent story of Alex in my address on the pages 
ONLINE and seized, was, for the feather ... But then cooled 
down, though theses sketched out, he decided to not answer, I 
thought that the people themselves sorted out. But 
circumstances change and the time has come to dot the "i", a 
need for clarity, because collaboration, what I wish with all 
my heart. At the end of for the full identity of views and 
beliefs - a great rarity, and most importantly, what unites us 
- so this is a common love for Spectrum, willingness to adopt 
it as a full-Comp, but somewhere and superior in a number of 
various cool and not very "pisyukov. Making the narcissistic 
users IBM ..., like here List known firms - will not (!), with 
respect to pronounce the combination of letters "ZX"! 


   Let's start with the fact that Alex called me for the riders
simple reason that I'm not registered. I, in turn,
I dare to ask: what is the principle difference between the 
riders registered and not registered? Is Alex thinks I found it 
difficult to register, much less that the registration of 
anyone to non-binding. (Yes, and it would be necessary to know 
the coordinator, that his rebellious servant, registered in the 
past to Ditronike-2, but I, for reference). Nevertheless, I 
repeat the question: "What is the difference in principle?" 


   Now, under the Charter ... The Charter is a constitution - 
the fundamental law, and if there is written - "The official 
language ZXNet - Russian" and writing should be appropriate. So 
in fact, even in This, briefly, the proposal is a violation of 
the Constitution (the Constitution). How not cool, and the 
official document of the Constitution, probably did not exist 
on the network, and this is not the only case in the Charter, 
it is packed with Latin and alien to the Russian language, 
words and expressions. Then and write, they say two official 
languages, one Russian, and to justify Tongues and hanzhenstva 
write: "... This makes it possible to specificity proshifki ROM 
second adopted English ...". You'll see and to the Russian 
constitution will enter something: "... Because with the 
collapse of the economy and rampant expansion of production and 
imports, expanding advertising on them to enter, along with the 
standard Russian ... "then these languages ​​in terms of 
imports. 


   Further, why are not allowed (and where in the Constitution 
say?) That not to criticize and discuss the charter network? It 
already smells dictatorship, criticism should be taken, at 
least to the attention even if it is not constructive, and 
absurd. In my opinion, it is important attention to him and 
what he read and reflect on its provisions. No, let me 
disagree! Discuss Constitution, anyone has the right to every 
person. Your, and any other people, writing I do not what to 
discuss - to read I have no right, and this document Level ... 
I have the right. Speaking of mail - in the Charter of the 
network legalized prohibited by the law of the Russian 
Federation perusal of correspondence ... What to say? Let me 
explain: in 3.2. stated the following: "... the network 
operator may be denied to the subscriber in the transfer of 
mail to external network, if he considers pointless 
correspondence or economically feasible. "So what is it but 
perusal (?) otherwise the operator "count"? The economic side I 
do not know may even be considered, and as appropriate, to 
judge the sender and recipient. 


   In the continuation, in chapter 1.2.3. ", And some 
individuals." Who is "some" and "individual" who are separated? 
And why? Ibid "Council sisopov phenomenon (!) Is not periodic 
and is declared as appropriate." Firstly, what is this 
"phenomenon"? Christ to the people? or the weather ...? As a 
necessity, and who exactly determines the extent of this most 
needed? It is not clear! AND issues such Prorva, and do not 
think that they arise just me, not at all, you can assume that 
these questions you ask all who read the Constitution, are 
questions that need to be Answers, a document should be drafted 
so that they do not arise.



   We now return to your article. There it says about the 
idiots who constantly ring round everyone. I do not want to 
take this remark in your address, I am sure that it is not so 
... But I venture to observe that idiots not to confuse the 
addresses throughout periodicals and ph_v ... listed phone 
number (for idiots, I hope?) and, although your the article 
says, "And this, in addition ...", it still, small as that. And 
about FIDO, so because there is no certainty, and they 
themselves, it is just the way it should be. I repeat: (not 
just my opinion) address must be no larger than eight 
characters, then you can fully automate the sorting process. 
But when you exit external network ... We have to think! There, 
we are not free. Eight-mail for internal use, it is better not 
to think. But let us leave this question open ... Now 
everything is so fast changes ... It is possible that we can 
think of yourself tomorrow, will take adopted as your favorite 
FIDO, who knows? Importantly, in I am not pokalibim not have 
nothing to do "taboo" or as The Bible says "Do not make 
yourself an idol ...". Standard - a good thing ... but still 
... Nothing great was produced It was then when the 
groundbreaking and taboo. And, incidentally, may You do not 
know, there is PO Box mailing address of the liaison office. 
But if hunting compare with ab.yaschikom, and say "no network, 
they say, address and subscriber number - so clearly.



   Well, in the end, again about a freebie (jammed me, no 
strength!). As evident from the third edition of the Charter 
network, at least from his "Caps", the Charter are not 
registered ... Then the more he subject to a comprehensive 
discussion, and no one who has permission to this question is 
not required. And if the Constitution is not registered, and as 
a consequence - the network too. From this follows a general 
freebie because all registrations are not registered within the 
organization is not legitimate. Did not want me to write, but 
such situation, it will confirm any person, little or less

consolidated in a formal law. And yet, if we compare
Our network of mail by and large, or even suspended, then no 
mail will not elect themselves customers, and caters for all 
(!), Even those on death row waiting for the bullet. And in the 
Constitution ...? Not exclude the possibility of a denial of 
service! One can understand the failure of a person to another, 
even for personal reasons, but NET does not have the right to 
refuse! Otherwise, it's not mail. AND I think, God only think 
it was for this reason Moscow and appeared four networks. This 
is not a sign of development, but rather a sign of division and 
disintegration, this trend is fraught with only that arrive at 
the conclusion of what had gone ... Ie all will just keep in 
touch with your friends without any coordination and learn new 
subscribers just from the notebook of Robert, buying a modem.



   That's why rooting for Network soul, I call it our!
I want to be understood correctly, I do not want to stick to my 
network pocket, calling it their own, but let remind you that 
e-mail, any, can never be the Minister of Communications and 
certainly more than the postman, as if it belongs to only "12 
out of 15 operators of sites" ... Unworthy of it somehow sounds 
from the mouth of one of the founders of the network. 


   I think that this note will be considered constructive and 
not biased. I do not want to offend anybody or her ... on the 
contrary, I want to to be understood and understand others.


                         ARTMAN 'ZIKLOP'
                    For answers to BBS 462-89-02



(C) OLDMAN

               With its Charter in a foreign convent ...



   Yes ... case ... Well, ALEX, of course, got excited ... But 
let us content of the letter.



   So, you, ARTMAN, want to discuss-Constitution. And where 
were you when the Charter was created? Because this process 
involved not Only System Operators, and all those who were 
indifferent to what will be the network and who had something 
to offer on this issue. Now the "train has left" and you only 
have to take the Charter "as have or not to use ZXNet (benefit 
Spectrum network is not one).



   Not going to compare ZXNet with Russia, how do you compare
Charter to the Constitution, but if you do not like the orders 
in a nearby store, you're going in the other, I hope? Or is 
there too, shaking your rights, arguing that the store is yours 
(?), Since you're the soul for it? If anything, ZXNet - private 
and she May take into account the wishes of users, but is not 
required! Other words, if the user likes "hanging" servers, it 
is not means that the operator must do everything to help him 
this task. Just as you can not dictate sysop time

station. So it is with addressing - I absolutely can not 
understand what you the difference that it was entered in the 
appropriate box - your favorite number or special code. But I 
can understand the sysop, which yours, even if the one and 
only, phone number, says absolutely nothing, and the address 
contains all the necessary information. 


   I come to the conclusion that instead of trying to understand
addressing, you prefer to call it marasmus and offer
that is understandable but you and some other goat (your letter
ON-LINE # 62) ... In such cases, it helps a thorough "chewing" 
confusing topic than I now do (forgive me, more intelligent 
users). 


   Thus, the network address of the user (eg my 095/100.1)
consists of three parts, not counting the delimiters: "095" - 
code of Moscow, if the address belongs to a subscriber ZXNet, 
who lives in another city, the code would be appropriate. "100" 
- the address or, if desired, the number of a particular 
station, the user which I am, in my case it's ALEX BBS. You, 
ARTMAN, as you say, registered on February DITRONIK BBS - 
Address your site "301". The last part of "1" - this is my 
private address on the ALEX BBS. Because in your network 
directory data are available (for some reason - more on that 
later), take your address as "?". Thus, your network address 
should be 095/301.?. It is so difficult Remember Me? In 
principle, the same method adopted in addressing Fido, differ 
only in the Codes. The Internet address for first glance, does 
not look like, but the principle is the same. 


   Now try to chew, "but why do it" ... Imagine
such a situation - you have decided to send a letter to me. In 
a letter to you specify my address, just leave it at its plant 
under the name "> 4968508". So what do you think, should do 
Sysop seeing these unique characters in its own directory - 
grabbing the phone and dial them on the phone to download my 
email? Yeah ... Right now, with ... Or just leave lying around 
on your PC, in hope that sooner or later, I was lucky enough to 
visit his station? Or found in the directory my network 
address, and then act as adoption of the Charter? What do you 
personally, ARTMAN, way he recommend? And why do you expect 
that the sysop will listen to your advice, not simply erase 
incorrectly addressed letter. Well, if you, ARTMAN, on InterNet 
will receive a letter like it must be addressed? "ARTMAN 
'ZIKLOP' For the answers to the BBS 462-89-02 ", as you sign 
up, why the operator of the gateway have yet to decipher it? 
Its capriciousness you make the his work, not to mention what, 
in fact, hell is he must receive a "pleasure" so for their own

money ... And anyway, when you send a letter by regular mail at
envelope also only write the recipient's phone number? Or all
did accept the rules of postal correspondence and with 
difficulty, but remember the desired code, city, etc.? 


   Well, everything seems to be explained. If even this is not 
clear, then ... welcome your questions, I am patient. Now about 
the riders ... Registered freeloader differs from 
non-registered so that it ... not freeloader - it a full 
network user. Even if he does not intend to engage in 
correspondence to the network, and collected only from time to 
time to download nove, it is by definition a network address 
and the opportunity to correspond (as long as it does not 
bother sysop feel like a cash cow). 


   Registration, in addition to providing the address is even 
obliged - to be registered, the user agrees to comply with all 
requirements of the Charter ZXNetwork, including the use of 
correct addressing. He could disagree with any claims, but is 
obliged to perform. That is why he did not freeloader - using 
the services ZXNet, he agrees not to violate its work. By the 
way, this does not mean that you can not use the stations 
ZXNet, not registered - if any operator is not against your 
presence at their station, then for God's sake Use it with 
kindness, but to claim - it is impudence. In addition, in this 
case sysop is not obliged to handle your mail and generally may 
terminate your access to the his station without giving any 
reasons. 


   You, ARTMAN, argues that "long ago registered on
DITRONIK2 BBS, then I do not understand why you get the mail to
"BBS 462-8902" ie RABBIT BBS, not a part of the
ZXNet, but in the Network Directory absent any information on 
your account. Can you, after all, the wrong end of the 
procedure began to direct? And can open little secret? You are 
from June Not registered to DITRONIK2 BBS - just missed a 
re-registration (apparently in protest "...). You are not a 
subscriber ZXNet and use its services - you, sorry, freeloader. 


   About censorship ... Pick of expression ... You letters
not in envelopes're sending! Their one specifically does not 
reveal! Itself the word "perusal" is inappropriate here and in 
the Charter does not mention! Read Encyclopedic Dictionary. So, 
if you zashifruete his letter, and sysop read it - it is with 
interference can be called censorship. But the network to 
transmit encrypted messages are not be. This is a resource 
protection nonprofit network of users who through free 
correspondence can extract profit in your pocket, perhaps 
substituting a network. Encrypted communications is prohibited 
in all non-commercial networks and the Internet to encryption 
correspondence are available to all security services. 


   In addition the network has the right to take care of their 
own prestige. Remember not so long ago the stations went to the 
network address of the president of Microsoft's proposal to 
write to him (like "here man surprised to get a letter from 
Russia ")? So, to these" men "do not surprise and censorship of 
foreign mail. Or take you, ARTMAN, suddenly you itch to 
criticize Data Express On-Line - an Internet service provider 
ZXNet, as they are with you their documentation did not agree. 
And there is this strictly - can disable the entire network 
(or, more likely, simply served take you to court for 
interfering in their internal affairs). 


   Empty conversations via external networks ZXNet can not, 
unfortunately, allow - only one gateway and reboot it not 
necessary. Now, if you, ARTMAN, instead, to engage in 
"Unhelpful and absurd", according to your definition, criticism 
would have sacrificed his IBM-compatible and the time for the 
organization More than one gateway to external networks, then 
restrictions on the correspondence, it might be less ... 


   And then, how do send the letter without seeing its 
contents, if the address sysop takes it from there? With the 
same success can be accused of censorship postman who brought 
you a postcard or a telegram. Do not worry, sysops are not 
perverts and will not be without a special reason to pry or 
make fun of it on the bugs ... 

   Economic feasibility did not cause you to doubt ...
Apparently, when it comes to money, then you understand 
everything - life taught. Although there is just the special 
problems and do not: want to send a certain number of megabytes 
on InterNet - contact operator Gateway, arrange for payment of 
Communications and ... swing ... swing ... Just do not demand 
anything, and then send you to hell and did the right thing - 
handling a large volume of information, other than payment for 
services outside the network, requires a special approach. 


   "... If the Constitution is not registered, and as a 
consequence - network too. From this follows a general freebie, 
because any Registration in an unregistered organization is not 
legitimate. "This is an appeal or a statement?" I hope that is 
not the first - You adult ... Then let me say that ZXNet 
registered in the INTERNET and has there address. And there on 
this subject relevant documents, as well as the mass of the 
bills paid for registration and provided communication 
channels. A INTERNET and translated - an international 
association of networks. In general, what you cares? Network 
offers services and agrees to comply with assigned to a 
function. Your right to use the Service or abandon it. 
Organization of Services - an internal affair of the network. 
Want to take part in the organization? So offers help pay 
bills, rather than criticize. And what the heck is childish - 
If the organization is not registered, so you can mess it hold? 
The truth is doubtful that the network was in need of your 
services ... Have long known that you want to create some 
public ogranizatsiyu or movement, using as a base ZXNet. Think 
sysops will allow you to "bend" yourself and your child under 
any then my uncle? Proxy fire raking want? Take the other BBS

Moscow and knit your network, make its move ... Were observed
You plant ZXNet ...


   Everything. The rest I did and I will not explain. In my 
opinion, the Charter lacks a single sentence: "If you do not 
agree with Charter or by separate provisions of the Charter, 
its only right - to refuse service ZXNet. "And it's still very 
soft. In nespektrumovskih network with you on this topic even 
speak not will not explain what desirability of separate 
articles "Agreement" - simply refuse access without warning.



   Charter FIDO, if you're interested to read about and order 
and about inadmissibility mail encryption, you can always 
download at ALEX BBS. And here FIDO? Though ZXNet created by its

image, running on the same principles, and has a gateway to 
this network and must adhere to established rules there.



   A regular mail as an example to lead is not necessary - it 
is the state and the state took care of its citizens, here and 
make a fuss "with them, ZXNet also no social problems do not 
put yourself, except that it exists and provides services free 
of charge. A year ago, nobody imagined could not be able to 
write to the Spectrum with the world. 


   Finally, I note that in the third edition of the Charter in 
ZXNetwork Paragraph 1.0 reads: "The official language ZXNet - a 
Russian, an additional language - English." 


   And more ... Generally it is nonsense that you, ARTMAN, 
something explain. The only reason that you still have

Answer - my desire as detailed as possible to inform readers
ON-LINE and the initiator of this all I was.

                        Dmitry (OLDMAN)
                        ZXNet: 095/100.1


   P.S. A Council sisopov - a phenomenon likely all the same 
"weather" than "Christ to the people" ... Although they say 
there is anything can happen ;-) 


   P.P.S. At the Council of the Network, which will be held 
12/31/1996 at the Year same place and at the same time, after 
checking the lawyer will be approved by a new, 4 th Charter 
network. This is due not so much with the "attack" but rather 
with the fact that the network entered the city, located 
outside Russia.