ZX Windows

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Gentlemen programmers,
has no one ever thought of making a system similar to Windows for ZX?
We have already seen something similar to MS-DOS (IS-DOS), but now it would be nice to see
Windows. :-)
Jokes aside, I understand that with Spectrum resources it seems to me impossible to make a multitasking graphic system without using hardware accelerators. But maybe it’s worth a try?

-= Chulkov A.V. =- [Team MEMPHIS] [Adolf Hitler Crew]
09 March 1997, 02:50

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CA> Gentlemen programmers,
CA> but no one ever thought of making a system for the ZX similar to
CA> Windows?
CA> We have already seen something similar to MS-DOS (IS-DOS), but now it would be nice to look at
CA> and Windows. :-)
CA> Jokes aside, I understand that with Spectrum resources
CA> it seems to me impossible to make a multitasking graphics system without using hardware
CA> accelerators. But maybe it's worth
CA> a try?

Something like this was done by the Omen Corp group. it was completed, with a pretty good interface, but it was most likely similar to Amiga's WB than to WIN. Several programs should be released soon using this
interface.

As for multitasking - well, try it, try it! G)))))))

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CA>> similar to Windows? We have already seen something similar to MS-DOS (IS-DOS), but now it would be nice to look at Windows. :-) And if, apart from
CA>> jokes, then I understand that with Spectrum resources it seems to me impossible to make a
CA>> multitasking graphic system without using
CA>> hardware accelerators. But maybe
CA>> it’s worth a try?

DA> Something like this was done by the Omen Corp group. it was completed, with
DA> a pretty good interface, but it was most likely similar to
DA> Amiga's WB than to WIN. Several programs with
DA> using this interface should be released soon.
That would be very interesting to look at!
By the way, what kind of Omen Corp. is this? ? Where are they from?

DA> As for multitasking - well, try it, try it! F)))))))
Yes, I won’t try, because... :
1. I haven’t worked for Speccy for 1.5 years;
2. I wouldn’t have enough brains. :-) If you asked Rst7, he would do it.

CA> Yes, I won’t try, because... :
CA> 1. I haven’t worked for Speccy for 1.5 years;
CA> 2. I wouldn’t have enough brains. :-) If you asked Rst7, then he would
CA> do it.

If there were a little more :) interruptions in the ZX, we could take it. And so...

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CA>> would have done it.

AK> If there were a little more :) interruptions in the ZX, we could have done it. And
AK> so...

Yes, and there would be more memory, although I think that if desired, 128k would be enough
at least. And it would be necessary to increase the speed of the ZX, otherwise the tasks will slow down terribly.

AK>> get on with it. And so...
Quasi-multi-tasking, like small soft windows. Third. :)

CA> Yes, and there would be more memory, although I think that if desired, 128k would already
CA> be enough at a minimum. And it would be necessary to increase the performance of the ZX,
CA> otherwise the tasks would be terribly slow.
It will work in 48th. Well, the brakes... Gee-gee.

I wish I could find a good emulator for the pussy - otherwise I got fucked at Gutnikovsky
. No one will show you?
Well, that’s all, it seems. All the best!
Skyer (in the world Andrey Cherepivsky)

... Are you forever - pale, regarded as a waste of time...

This is Nikita Andreev answering you Skyer:

CA>>> Yes, I won’t try, because... :
CA>>> 1. I haven’t worked for Speccy for 1.5 years;
CA>>> 2. I wouldn’t have enough brains. :-) If you asked Rst7, then he
CA>>> would do it.
S> Ask me! I have, imho, a well-developed window system
S> _in_ _projects_ - all that remains is to write. One doesn’t want to.
S> Finding/organizing a certain group of interested people (if possible
S> in 5020) is then a different matter.
And you write to Alexey Alexxev... 2:5030/529.8
He already had something done, and everything worked, options were selected (the exit from
the program was definitely created ;) ) And not only lines were selected, but also other features
(I don’t know how it was name...) It was controlled by buttons, joysticks and a Kempston mouse.
Moreover, the window system was sufficiently developed (it is, in principle, still like this now),
but only troubles, but ZX now it doesn’t write (doesn’t write at all (almost))

And having left you for my place, I wish you success...

CA>>> Yes, I won’t try, because... :
CA>>> 1. I haven’t worked for Speccy for 1.5 years;
CA>>> 2. I wouldn’t have enough brains. :-) If you asked for Rst7, then he
CA>>> would do it.

AK>> If there were a little more :) interrupts in the ZX, we could do it. And
AK>> so...

Of course, you can install an interrupt controller, and there will be more of them.
And at the same time a DMA and a CMOS timer. But it won’t be quite a Spectrum... It’s better to immediately switch to a “cooler” computer...

GS> processor speed to work with it. You need to understand that there are
GS> tasks that can be easily and conveniently solved on the Spectrum, and there are tasks for
GS> the solution of which requires changing the hardware. Do you remember how the frog's attempts to inflate to look like a bull ended? ;)
yes
ibm released ibm pc on 8088 + 64k + external memory on a household tape recorder
(160 flop was optional)
just a swollen spectrum
:)

Sasha [Team EDSMO]

Yes? What does this look like with paged memory processing?

GS> You need to understand that there are problems that can be easily and conveniently solved on the
GS> Spectrum, and there are problems for which you need to change the hardware.

Yes...

GS> Do you remember how the attempts of the frog to inflate to look like
GS> ended up like a bull? ;)

It ended badly then ;)

GS> George

Regards, Dmitry (OLDMAN).

■ Hello Chulkov!

■ March 09, Sunday, at 02:50, Chulkov Andrew wrote to All:

CA> Gentlemen, programmers,
CA> has anyone ever thought of making a system for ZX similar to
CA> Windows? We have already seen something similar to MS-DOS (IS-DOS), but now it would be nice
CA> to see Windows too. :-) Jokes aside, I understand that with
CA> Spectrum resources it seems to me impossible to make a multitasking graphics system without
CA> using hardware accelerators. But
CA> maybe it’s worth a try?
Why? And do you think this is real?

Alexander Mudretsov, e-mail: sa...@asp.jesby.tstu.ru

GS>> frogs to inflate to look like a bull? ;). board and up to
256K external boards... Only the use of a 16-bit processor, an "external" video controller and a bunch of peripheral controllers (interrupts, DMA,
timer...) allowed this machine to "swell" to modern PentiumPro
systems.
Okay, let's not talk about offtopic... Spectrum can also be turned into something similar, of course, but what then will remain of its simplicity and as a result of its cheapness and understandability?

George

CA>> multitasking graphics system without using hardware
CA>> accelerators, it seems to me, is impossible. But maybe it’s worth
CA>> to try?
AM> Why? And do you think this is real?
Well, I think that little will come of multitasking. But making a graphical environment is a real task and, I think, not superfluous. Something a la GUI.

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NM> Regarding icons - for an icon to look good on the Spectrum, it
NM> should be large in size, especially for color ones

24x24 is just right, IMHO.

NM> icons This is not good - there is little information on the screen,

It depends on how many icons there are... And how they are located...

NM> therefore, access to it becomes more complicated. In addition, the icons must be
NM> signed and not in small letters (on a TV, a letter 5 dots high
NM> is difficult to see).

If you think about it correctly, you don’t have to sign it. As if it is not clear what a
magnifying glass or a capital letter A is...

NM> From this it follows that icons are nothing more than an auxiliary part of the
NM> interface and their “reproduction” is strictly limited, the basis being
NM> text names. For example, in Artstudio there are no icons at all, there are no items in

Artstudio, the latest one I’ve seen, was written in 1986 - it’s already 11 years ago.

NM> there are a lot of menus (if you replace them with icons, they will take up half the screen),

If, again, they are positioned correctly, everything will be ok. And if you make 64x64 icons on ok and
cancel - then of course half the screen.

NM> functionality is very good.

Welcome press, Spectrum progress - also not bad (I’m not talking about Pinkfloyd,it really took three years to think about this).

NM> The closest thing to this is the interface of Peter Cook & DCU & ArtStudio &
NM> ZX-Format shell, all that remains is to add window dragging.

But why is this? For fun, they usually insert a miner.

NM> and, of course, a mouse.

This can even be done in Tetris. And it is already everywhere. (Except Tetris)

■ See you later, Nicolaus! Vova, W.B.R. [Team∙ZX∙ASM]·[Team∙Me┼a║ica]

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24 March 1997 14:01, Vitaliy Sircov wrote to Andrew Chulkov:

AC>> Well, I think that little will come of multitasking. But making
AC>> a graphical environment is a real task and, I think, not superfluous. Something
AC>> a la GUI.
VS> Why? First you need to make a human mouse and you need a screw, otherwise
VS> will you first load this system from one floppy disk and then insert
VS> another? There was already such a project, but it died out, as far as I know...
As far as I know, there is already a mouse for ZX, but about the hard drive... What if
this system was made for computers with 512k memory and higher? Then when loading into the RAM, the basic API functions and drivers will be loaded from the floppy disk once, and then the system will work independently of the disk, because everything is already will
be loaded?

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±  Andrew Chulkov wrote to Vitaliy Sircov - Answering:
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Straight Out Of Hell I Write To You, Roman !!!
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±  Roman Alexandrov wrote to Vitaliy Sircov - Answering:
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åÓÔØ ÎÅÍÎÏÇÏ.. :)

VS> will you first load this system from one floppy disk and then insert another?
VS> There was already such a project, but it died out, as far as I know...

In general, good graphics can only be obtained with a good video card. But there is no standard. And the power of the processor is most likely not enough for such work...

George

CA> It seems to me that using hardware accelerators is impossible. But,
CA> maybe it’s worth a try?

It’s already there, and for quite some time now...

pf212.rar - DomenOS PinkFloyd v2.12 (c)1996.

Diligently copies Windows 3.1 (especially their negative sides), the minesweeper in it
is implemented ugly, according to the author it was created mainly for the sake of HTML.

[skipped]

Happy connections.
Roman.

Saturday, April 05, 97, already 16:39

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Hello, Vitaliy!

Wednesday, April 02, 97, 14:50, Vitaliy Sircov wrote to Roman Alexandrov on
the topic "ZX Windows":

[skipped]

VS>>> and a screw is needed,
RA>> And this there is...

VS> Where? I mean, on what? On scorpaxes? To the pros? On the pentagons?

On the first and second, although by the way it is also possible on the pentagons....

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Have a nice connection.
Roman.

Saturday, April 05, 97, already 13:49

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Greetings /Roman/!

Sat Apr 05 1997, Roman Alexandrov == Chulkov Andrew:

RA> pf212.rar - DomenOS PinkFloyd v2.12 (c)1996.

I probably missed it :(
Can we repeat the soap, huh???

With best regards best wishes, Max.
-=> AKA Tigra <=-