Star Heritage - 2

Wednesday June 18 1997 23:00, Yury Matveyev ─── Evgeny Milun:

EM>> It’s better to let the process “take longer” than to “stop
EM>> completely.” !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YM> No, that's great! “You, such crazy people, lamers, drunks and demagogues, will you
YM> finish writing ZH-2?
But _THIS_ _ALREADY_ _YOUR_ _WORDS_ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You seem to have delusions of grandeur and persecution !!!!!!!!!!!
I was not talking about you personally, but about _YET OTHER_DOMESTIC_FULL-SCALE_
_PROJECT_ !!!!!!!!!!! It _DOESN'T_MATTER_ to me what personality is doing it! Let
even the legendary Vasya Pupkin, the main thing is that this business does not perish.
YM> We are ready to help you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
YM> Listen, ah Isn't it time to help you? Psychiatric.
Strange, but I thought that insults were prohibited in this echo.

EM>> If you don’t want to deal with me personally, or with our group,
[.....]
EM>> will draw, and then you can evaluate it. Perhaps it will suit you.

YM> Perhaps, but the artists and I don’t have any particular problems at the moment...
Sorry. I thought that if someone from the tap dance says that they do not have an artist for ZH-2, then this is so. I didn’t even think that the opinion of an “ordinary” Stepovite could _very_ differ from the opinion of _Yury_ _Matveev_.

Good luck ! Evgeny.

People, explain, if it’s not difficult, _WHAT_ALL_THIS_CIRCUS_MEANS_? Maybe I didn't understand something. :(
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1. It is officially reported that the ZH-2 project is on the verge of failure due to the lack of a coder and an artist.
2. I dare to disagree with this.
3. “Incomparable” Yuri Matveev tells me that my disbelief is in vain, and in confirmation _OFFERS_ME_ to become a coder.
4. I _AGREE_.
5. This is where Matveev and Grigorve vying with each other declare:
- “I don’t like you, I won’t work with you” (Matveev)
- “you don’t have enough qualifications” (Grigoriev)
- “it’s time for you to go to the mental hospital” (Matveev)
- “everything is fine with the ZH-2 project, work is progressing” (Matveev)
6. Is work on the project moving? Is it worth it?
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So can anyone say for sure whether there will be a ZH-2?

Good luck ! Evgeny.

YM>> No, that’s great! "You, such crazy people, lamers, drunks and demagogues, will you
YM>> be finishing ZH-2? We are ready to help you
YM>>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Listen, isn't it time to help you? Psychiatric.

AL> Perhaps I’m wrong, but why do that??? If a person really wants to help,
AL> then what is his fault? Most spektrumists really want

But he doesn’t want to help. He wants to _offer_ help, knowing that after everything that
we heard from him addressed to us, he will be sent to hell, so that later in his
journal he can declare “we, the great ones, offered our help to these lamers, but they themselves
refused because of their petty ambitions... Conclusion: “well, and so on...

AL> see the continuation of ZH, and if someone offers their help, then in
AL> there is nothing bad about this, on the contrary, it’s great.

For some reason in Moscow no one is trying to offer help...

AL> Sincerely, Alex from FFC COMPUTERS.

Sincerely, Dmitry (OLDMAN).

When you come to apply for a job, you enter the boss's office,
call him a demagogue, say a bunch of nasty things, and then smugly declare
that you are ready to work here... Guess three times where they will send you after this?

AL> Most spektrumists really want to see the continuation of ZH, and if
AL> someone offers their help, then there is nothing bad about it, and even
AL> on the contrary, it’s great.

See. above... what's bad...

══════ All the best! Yupiy ════════════

They once said:

EM> People, explain, if it’s not difficult, _WHAT_ALL_THIS_CIRCUS_MEANS_?
EM> Maybe I misunderstood something. :(

Do you understand anything at all? It seems to me that not quite... Otherwise,
a person who wants to _cooperate_ would not allow himself such harsh and often
simply insulting statements addressed to us... I wonder if you behave like this in your life? Let's say, before taking your grandmother across the road, you you call her a fool and take her by the hand?

EM> 1. It is officially reported that the ZH-2 project is on the verge of failure due to
EM> the absence of a coder and an artist 2. I dare to disagree with this.

Ah, now I understand your “nu-nu”... It turns out that there was a disagreement. Why
did you not agree? with this? For what reasons?

EM> 3. “Incomparable” Yuri Matveev tells me that my disbelief is in vain,
EM> and in confirmation _OFFERS_ME_ to become a coder.

What makes you stand out is your ability to attribute to everyone what they did not say...
Literally me said the following: "... can _you_ be invited to the position of coder?"
(something like this)... This does not mean that I OFFERED you a job...

EM> 4. I _AGREE_.

When no one asked...

EM> 5. This is where Matveev and Grigorve vied with each other declare:
EM> - “you are not for meI’m cute, I won’t work with you” (Matveev)
EM> - “you don’t have enough qualifications” (Grigoryev)
EM> - “it’s time for you to go to the mental hospital” (Matveev)
EM> - “everything is fine with the ZN-2 project, work is progressing” (Matveev)
EM> 6. Work on the project is it moving? Is it worth it?
EM> So can anyone say for sure whether there will be a ZH-2?

Only the wind knows the answer...

══════ All the best! Yupiy ════════════

AL> so what is his fault? Most spektrumists really want
AL> to see a continuation of ZH, and if someone offers their help, then there is nothing bad in it
AL>, and on the contrary, it’s great.
The whole point is that for you and me ZH-2 is a cool toy that can
wipe IBM’s nose. And for him... Honestly speaking, I don’t know... Before, I knew, but
now... :(

Good luck! Evgeny.

AL>> help, so what is his fault? Most spektrumists really want
DG> But he doesn’t want to help. He wants to _offer_ help, knowing that after
DG> everything we heard from him addressed to us, he will be sent to hell,
DG> so that later in his magazine he can declare “we, the great ones, offered our help to these lamers
DG>, but they themselves refused because of their petty ambitions...
DG> Conclusion: “well, so more...

I see.

They once said:

EM> The whole point is that for you and me ZH-2 is a cool toy,
EM> capable of rubbing IBM’s nose in the dust.

Thank you, I’m flattered... It’s nice to hear.

EM> And for him... Honestly speaking, I don’t know... Before
EM> - I knew, but now... :(

A now?

══════ All the best! Yupiy ════════════

YM>> When you come to apply for a job, you enter the office
YM>> of the boss, call him a demagogue, say a bunch of nasty things, and then
YM>> smugly declare that you are ready to work here... Guess three times
YM>> where they will send you after this?

EM> And if you ridicule this person even earlier throughout the country as a lamer, first in a magazine and newspaper, then in an echo, and only because
EM> he did not agree with your point of view on some things, then...

Lies. Chronology of events: :)

1) Letter from Milun and Korolev to SPF.
2) It was printed in full in SPF 18.
3) It was commented on in SPF 18 _after_ the letter itself. The commentary
provides counter-arguments on some issues, where it is said that
the opinion of Miluna and Korolev on this issue, from the point of view of the editors,
is not correct...
4) Oberon 1 (Miluna and Korolev) appears, which must first be read and viewed in the disk doctor, and then discussed...

events 5 to N-1) are skipped due to their unimportance...

N) Milun appears in Fido...

So what about poor Milun, who was trampled in the echo _only_ because
his opinion is different from the opinions of others... :)

Hasta la vista, Evgeny! See you in Eden!

·∙ Novikov Sergei AKA Spirit/CS ∙·
[Team ZX ASM] [Team AMD - Amiga Must Die]
[Team Овны Rulez Forever]

DG> He doesn’t want to help. He wants to _offer_ help, knowing that after
DG> everything we heard from him addressed to us, he will be sent to hell,
DG> so that later in his magazine he can declare “we, the great ones, offered our help to these lamer
DG>, but they themselves refused because of their petty ambitions...
DG> Conclusion: “and so on...

In the newspaper, by the way, someone else made fun of you...

EM> then in the echo, and only because he did not agree with your point of view
EM> on some things, then... Guess what
EM> then forces him to try not to let such a project collapse?

Envy...

Dmitry (OLDMAN).

Friday June 20, 1997 16:00, Evgeny Milun wrote to Dmitry Grigoryev:

DG>> Lord! And where do so many professional engineers, systems engineers, programmers come to us at once!!!
DG>> They blind ZH2 in five minutes and they will demand a salary ;)

EM> No, we will give all our salaries to the fund of a hacker_who has a secondary_
EM> education.

Secondary technical ;) And the salary already now you can start listing - the address
you know ;)

Dmitry (OLDMAN).

Answering yld Tuesday, the 24 of June 1997:

YM>>> Some Kano will start collecting scorpions, what the hell are they like
YM>>> online
EM> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
AL>> Cool!!! :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

EM> Well then. What is important to a person is not the computer or the newspaper itself, but the name on it.

Yeah. Will you buy any Warcraft from RAMbo? I don't. I won’t even watch it.

EM> :)))) 2SN: How do you like this phrase? In my opinion, something like “why do I
EM> need a refrigerator if I don’t know how to swim.” :))))

I remember that MMA came at me for a long time for incomplete quotation. Only there
the meaning did not change because of this, but here... In short, the phrase sounded something like this: “If
on-lines are released by Milun, and some Kano starts collecting Scorpios,
well, what the hell are they online and Scorpios.”

EM> :))))
Is there a difference for you between “Zaporozhets” or “BMW”?
or if WORKBENCH did BILL GATES, would you want to switch to AMIG?

EM> In my opinion, something like “why should I

DG> Secondary technical ;)
And that’s good.
DG> And you can start transferring your salary now - you know the address ;)
Well, first you need to do ZH-2. Don't you think so?

Good luck! Evgeny.
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'... That's all... The world is on fire,
But the thunder will not subside - the Spirit of War,
it demands more."
ARIA'95, "Spirit of War"

Wednesday June 25 1997 00:36, Dmitry Grigoryev ─── Evgeny Milun:

[.....]

EM>> Stop. And what does “we” have to do with it??? Are you also participating in the creation of
EM>> Star Heritage - 2?
DG> Do you want to challenge?
God forbid. It’s just that when I read about the lack of an encoder, I somehow thought that there was no one there who could program. I didn’t know that
you act there only in the role of a hacker-consultant.

EM>> If you think that it’s good to fail such a project just
EM>> because of some kind of disagreement, then...
DG> The project is not closed because of disagreements.
Well, yes - “lack of a coder”. I understand.
DG> And to resume the project only because
DG> that you want to “offer your help”...
?????!!!!! Why not? In the end, why is ZH-2 being made?
So that some names are listed as authors,
or so that this game _WILL_ be on the Spectrum?
DG> I told you clearly - we don’t need your
DG> services. I have doubts about your competence...
A-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a. Well, I would have said so right away. And then I thought that since I was trusted with the creation of oil pipeline control systems, then I could also be trusted with the creation of a game. I was drunk, I apologize.

EM>> And you know, you have a littlemisconception about the purpose
EM>> of newspapers/magazines. Perhaps now your On-line is engaged
EM>> in forming public opinion, but you shouldn’t generalize.

DG> And I’m not generalizing. I don’t at all consider your magazine capable of shaping
DG> public opinion...
And rightly so. As soon as this happens, I will be the first to start throwing stones at him. The very idea of “brainwashing” disgusts me.

[.....]

DG> Yes, what insidious plans ;)) It’s just the way you do it yourself... In
DG> in the above-quoted paragraph you at least insulted us twice.
EM>> It seems like you collaborated with MagicSoft before.
DG> I cooperate.
Well, expect a “hello” from him.

EM>> Do you know about EXTREM?
DG> No.
So. And if you say “cooperating” - “collaborated”.

EM>> And if I know about this in Samara, then you, who are in Moscow, should
EM>> even more so know about it.

DG> Why did you come to such an interesting conclusion? I only found out about you
DG> when you sent me a letter...
T-yu-yu-yu-yu-yu-yu. Listen, you can’t just give away “military secrets” right away. Did you even write “before I saw your Oberon-2”, otherwise... How are you now going to respond to my phrase “I wrote an article without seeing the magazine”?
What do people say about you now?will he think?

EM>> lamer, first in the magazine and newspaper, then in the echo, and only because he
EM>> did not agree with your point of view on some things, then...

YM> He did not intend and did not even think about making fun of you. This is something you
YM> saw in our comment. We were not initially negative towards you
YM>. You yourself, through your actions and words, achieved this...
Twenty-five again. What, maybe we can raise “that flame” again? Then it even came to comparing dates. I’m no longer saying that I then sent a semantic analysis of our letter and your comment to everyone who wanted it.

YM>> there we saw it in our comment. We were not initially negative towards
YM>> you. You yourself, through your actions and words, achieved this...
EM> Twenty-five again. What, maybe we can raise “that flame” again? Then
EM> it even came to comparing dates. I no longer say that I then sent a semantic analysis of our letter and your comment to everyone
EM>.

... Don’t worry, you can’t raise that flame, because... there you were flunked in most
positions. There is no need to give the same examples again (Captain Blood, Rebel Star,
etc.)

[if you're going to continue this discussion, use netmail, please...]

SN> I remember that MMA came at me for a long time for incomplete quotation. Only there
SN> the meaning did not change because of this, but here... In short, the phrase sounded something like this: “If
SN> Milun produces online, and some
SN> Kano starts collecting Scorpios, well, what the hell are they online and Scorpios.”
Yes, I’m kidding, I’m kidding. And at the same time I show how you can change the meaning of a phrase if you take it out of context. (You haven’t lost the desire to advocate “don’t quote the whole paragraph”) :))))

Good luck! Evgeny.

EM>> :))))
AM> For you, is there a difference between “Zaporozhets” or “BMW”?
AM> or if WORKBENCH did BILL GATES, would you want to switch to AMIG?
And even now I really don’t want to switch to it. :)))))
And letting you face the facts. Since you cited cars as an example, then
tell me, if your Zaporozhye (read “the program is unknown to anyone”) is comparable in its capabilities to a BMW (read “with the program of a “famous” programmer”), will you still buy a BMW? If yes, then ask yourself:
what do you need: a _good_ program (machine), or a _prestigious_ program
(machine)?

EM>> In my opinion, something like “why do I need

SN> ... Don't worry, that flame won't be raised, because... there you were flunked in
SN> most positions. There is no need to give the same examples again (Captain
SN> Blood, Rebel Star, etc.)
Well, they “failed” me only because I didn’t see Inlight’s tape at that time. ;)
And the rest... Okay, let's not talk about that.

AM>> AMIGу ?
EM> And even now I really don’t want to switch to it. :)))))
EM> And letting you face the facts. Since you cited cars as an example,
EM> then tell me, if your Zaporozhye (read “the program is not known to anyone
EM>”) can be compared in its capabilities with BMW (read
EM> “with the program of a “famous” programmer”), you are still will you buy a BMW?
EM> If yes, then ask yourself: what do you need: a _good_
EM> program (car), or a _prestigious_ program (car)?
What makes you think that it ( /_car_/ - */program/* ) is good ?

And in general, our conversation reminds me of one stupid riddle:
Two mice left point A to point B at the same time - one
#gray# the other *white* which of them will reach point B first?
You say, for example: #gray#
Well, I answer: But you’re wrong *white* because he on a bicycle!

So let's end this flame that _no one_ needs

With respect &y \PoS\PCCC

AM> Where did you get the idea that it ( /_machine_/ - */program/* ) is good?
What does “why” mean? From the results of working with her, from the way she copes with her functions.
[.....]
AM> For example, you say: #gray#
AM> Well, I answer: But you’re wrong *white* because he’s on a bicycle!
AM> So let’s finish this _nobody_ needed flame
This is not a flame (you should have seen real flames :( ), but an ordinary conversation. And
it is not “useless to anyone”. I think here in the echo there are a lot of people who
consider themselves “beginners”, and they are not uninterested in finding out why
the “famous” reject (or may reject) them programs.

Good luck Evgeny.

Somehow Tue Jun 24 1997 02:28, Vyacheslav Mednonogov wrote a letter to Evgeny
Milun:

VM> Then there is no problem :)) If you find yourself a sufficiently
VM> qualified coder to work on ZH-2, and in addition, you have
VM> familiarity with a fairly cool Samara artist, then no one can
VM> stop you from working on “ZH-2” yourself. Well, so that the step players don't get offended, name the project "ZN-2a" :))
By the way, has anyone heard of "Time cop" - eh?
it seems, judging by the demo, it should have been a cool game and, what's most
offensive, not a word has been heard.

zy: when is "Raven" planned? by the way.? otherwise people are already tired of asking questions.

VM> Warm greetings, Slava!

Best regards, Ilya!

EM> 3. Last time (in March) the MOA called this topic offtopic, relating
EM> to personal correspondence,

Even now it seems to me that all interested parties stubbornly remain in their
opinion, and are stubbornly trying to prove something to the rest of the public. Isn't this
offtopic!

Andrew

EM> And letting you face the facts. Since you cited cars as an example, then
EM> tell me, if your Zaporozhye (read “the program is unknown to anyone
EM> person”) is comparable in its capabilities to a BMW (read “with
EM> the program of a “famous” programmer”), you will still buy a BMW ? If yes,
EM> then ask yourself: what do you need: a _good_ program (machine),
EM> or a _prestigious_ program (machine)?

One day Thu Jun 19 1997 00:01, Yury Matveyev wrote a letter to Evgeny Milun:

YM> We don’t have any special problems with the artists at the moment...
So we can hope for subj then a?

YM> ══════ All the best! Yupiy ════════════

Yes, and I would ask.
Everyone should start, so to speak, with themselves.

Andrew