ZF6 - in fehu!

I see that V. Larkov (2:5030/221.11) threw Spectrophones 22 and 23 into the fire. In this case, where is the reciprocal “gesture of goodwill”? - They threw the Moscow SPF - throw in the St. Petersburg subject. IMHO, this would be more than fair. 2 thrashers.

²IG: I think we can throw the following ZF numbers... (?) What do you think?

Nothing special in this mysterious dungeon. Some strange passages, chambers and
creatures as charismatic as a chaos spawn. But please don't try to get in touch
with the treasure of Myphyre. An adventrurer's skeleton you see near about is
the most plesant death of yours now!

SN> I see that V. Larkov (2:5030/221.11) threw Spectrophones 22 and 23 into the firebox. In
SN> in this case, where is the reciprocal “gesture of goodwill”? - They threw the Moscow
SN> SPF - throw the St. Petersburg subject too. IMHO, this will be more than fair.
SN> 2 tradesmen.

I completely agree.

ALL<= Your opinion?

With respect, Alex from FFC COMPUTERS.

12 Sep 97 07:39, Alex Letaev wrote to Sergei Novikov:
[...]
SN>> In this case, where is the reciprocal “gesture of goodwill”? - They threw away
SN>> the Moscow SPF - throw in the St. Petersburg subject too.
AL> I completely agree.
AL> ALL<= Your opinion?
It is of course correct, but my heart senses that soon a duel will begin between the SPF and ZF
a duel on violin bows ;)

2SN & VL ;)))))))

Oleg

... Press ESC to enter or Enter to escape

SN>> I see that V. Larkov (2:5030/221.11) threw Spectrophones 22 and 23 into the fire. In
SN>> in this case, where is the reciprocal “gesture of goodwill”? - They threw the Moscow
SN>> SPF - throw in the St. Petersburg subject too. IMHO, this will be more than fair.
SN>> 2 tradesmen.

SN>>> In this case, where is the reciprocal “gesture of goodwill”? - They threw in
SN>>> Moscow SPF - throw in the St. Petersburg subject too.

Thursday September 11 1997 09:52, Sergei Novikov ─── All:

SN> I see that V. Larkov (2:5030/221.11) threw Spectrophones 22 and 23 into the firebox. In this
SN> case, where is the reciprocal “gesture of goodwill”? - They threw the Moscow SPF -
SN> throw in the St. Petersburg subject too. IMHO, this would be more than fair. 2
SN> tradesman.
SN> ²IG: I think we can throw the following ZF numbers... (?) What do you think?
Why are you so indignant? ;)) No offense to you, but IMHO
everything is correct... SPF 22-23 came out two or three months ago (if I'm not mistaken), or even more, but only a few saw it... And Format...

Good luck! Evgeny.

■ The night is shorter than the day... The day will kill me... The world of illusions burns down in it. (C) Aria.

SZ> Spectrophones 22 and 23 became the last Spectrophones, at least
SZ> hardly anyone will buy a license
SZ> for St. Petersburg.
SZ> And you want to do the same with Formata?

No, of course. And the license for Formats has not yet been purchased by potential
clients?

14 Sep 97 18:27, Alex Letaev wrote to Oleg Bashtenko:
[...]
AL> :-)))))) And why?
Well, someone wanted money for it, I don’t know if they will get it ;))))

Oleg

... Daddy, what does FORMATTING DRIVE C: COMPLETE mean?

SZ> It’s unlikely that anyone will buy a license for St. Petersburg. And you want to do the same thing
SZ> with Formata?
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeee... are they paid? :-O And how much do they cost?

Truly yours, Aivars [My Dying Bride TEAM]

Monday September 15 1997 07:57, Evgeny Milun wrote to Sergei Novikov:

EM> Hello Sergei !

EM> Thursday September 11 1997 09:52, Sergei Novikov ─── All:

EM> Why are you so indignant ? ;)) No offense to you, but
EM> IMHO everything is correct... SPF 22-23 came out two or three months ago (if not
EM> I'm mistaken), or even more, but only a few saw it... And Format...

Format came out on August 17...

EM> Good luck! Evgeny.

cYa, aRTY/dR! · · ··· Email: Ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · ···

EM> but IMHO everything is correct... SPF 22-23 came out two or three months ago (if
EM> I’m not mistaken), or even more, but only a few saw it... A
EM> Format...

What kind of insanity? What does the SPF release date have to do with it? The spectrophone was completed on July 21, and the licenses were sold about a month later. That is, we will consider August 21.
(IMHO, even later). So what?

²IG: So how? Got a broken subject? The audience is waiting.

My soul is painted like the wings of butterflies
Fairytales of yesterday will grow but never die
I can fly - my friends

Queen, the Show Must Go On.

=== Excerpt from *.tic file ===

Created 18 Sep 97 07:18:57 by T-Fix.DOS 3.00 (C)1992-96 by Andy Elkin
File SPF22-23.ZIP
Desc Spectrofon 22 & 23! Not protected,
Area SPECTRUM
Crc B77DB3BF
Origin 2:5020/689

============ Cut =============

And why was this done? Not even a month has passed since I bought a
license, it hasn’t yet had time to pay off, and you threw SPF 22-23 into the file....
As I understand it, the production of Spectrofons has been discontinued and therefore subj?
It’s not respectable, somehow it turns out on your part....

Vladimir Spashko 18 Sep 97 2:22 p.m.

SZ>> It’s unlikely that anyone will buy on St. Petersburg.
SZ>> And you want to do the same with Formata?
AL> Of course not. And the license for Formats has not yet been purchased by potential
AL> clients?
ZX Format has arrived at Inforcom. You can buy it there. The price should not be very high for 2 disks. I don’t know exactly which one.
You can buy from us, cash on delivery, if you link to Fido
there will be discounts.
AL> Sincerely, Alex from FFC COMPUTERS.

Serge !

SN>> in this case, where is the reciprocal “gesture of goodwill”? - They threw the Moscow SPF
SN>> - throw the St. Petersburg subject too. IMHO, this will be more than fair.
SN>> 2 tradesmen.
SN>> ²IG: I think you can throw the following ZF numbers... (?) What do you think?

But I don’t have one. :) I haven't seen it myself. To buy - the toad is strangling something, but so far no one has given it as a gift. ;( I have 4.5 current, in the TV disk, I won’t throw it away. :)
Here. And the fifth - on the distribution one (with all sorts of protections)

With all sorts of regards and wishes.
Igor.

... If the forest is not rented out, it is destroyed.

AA> Eeeeeeeeeee... are they paid? :-O And how much do they cost?
Actually, yes, we paid for them, not so much that the authors could be
satisfied, but not so little that in the next three to four months we could start
making a profit from them.
Our Sp22 and Sp23 cost 1.5 standard units each (rate 1ue = 6.5t). You can order
by mail and cash on delivery too. Only in Russia.
AA> Truly yours, Aivars [My Dying Bride TEAM]
Serge !

Sat 20-Sep-97 02:27, Vyacheslav Mednonogov (2:5030/362.4) wrote a letter
Alex Letaev:

VM> This is clearly unnecessary. Moreover, SN himself threw 22/23 into the echo, and VL did not give the password
VM> to anyone (and would hardly have given it ;)

I would have given it, but after some time. But once (^^^), then again: 22: 22#nofps,
23: finishhim

With best wishes, Vladimir.

18 Sep 97 Serge Zonov --> Alex Letaev :

SZ> ZX Format arrived at Inforcom. You can buy it there. The price should not be very
SZ> high for 2 disks. I don’t know exactly which one.
SZ> You can also buy from us, you can cash on delivery, if you link to Fido
SZ> there will be discounts.

And in a week some kind soul will throw it into the echo chamber as SPF 22-23.
No, excuse me... we’ll wait...

Best wishes! Vladimir Spashko 19 Sep 97 20:01 hour.

Tuesday September 16 1997 07:28, Artem Haritonov ─── Evgeny Milun:

EM>> Why are you so indignant? ;)) No offense to you, but
EM>> IMHO everything is correct... SPF 22-23 came out two or three months ago (if not
EM>> I'm mistaken), or even more, but only a few saw it... And Format...
AH> Format came out on August 17...
Well... And now - September 19... ;)))
You didn't understand me. I meant that for various reasons (I don’t know which ones) SPF22-23 has been around for a couple of months, but is not being distributed. I can’t say the same about Format
. (If only because ZX-Format 6 is at my place...)

Tuesday September 16 1997 19:40, Sergei Novikov ─── Evgeny Milun:

[.....]
EM>> I’m not mistaken), or even more, but only a few saw it... A
EM>> Format...
SN> What kind of insanity? What does the SPF release date have to do with it? The spectrophone was completed on July 21st, and the licenses were sold about a month later. That is, we will consider August 21st. (IMHO, even later). So what?
Okay, okay... Apparently I have something wrong with my sense of time... I have the full feeling
that a couple of months have already passed since Matveev’s “Lord, it’s ready.”
But the Format... appeared in my mind at the end of August...

SN> ²IG: Well, how? Got a broken subject? The public is waiting.
So... Not more than six months ago, the entire Step, consisting of Matveev, Grigory-
ev and Novikov (do you know any of them? ;)))) was an ardent opponent of “breaking” any
“domestic program of this level”... Now will everything end differently? ;)))

SN>> I see that V. Larkov (2:5030/221.11) threw Spectrophones 22 and 23 into the fire. In
SN>> in this case, where is the reciprocal “gesture of goodwill”? - They threw Moscow

Well, after all, the password protection was specifically for this purpose, so as not to interfere with sales.
Although I also don’t quite understand Vova’s action, throwing away the password spectrophone.
It would have been better not to throw it at all. And you, after all, shouldn’t have thrown it again,
it would have been easier to give Vova permission to throw the passwords to the archive. Well, yes, that’s on your conscience... The facha is not rubber after all, they will cover it up as a discrepancy with the name
and traffic. :) She will soon look like *.os2.* or *.girls...

Thursday September 18, 1997 13:21, Vladimir Spashko wrote to Sergei Novikov:

VS> And why was this done? Not even a month has passed since I bought it

Probably, this was caused by Larkov’s offensive prank... It was very unpleasant
to feel that someone was flattering themselves with the thought that they were holding STEP for... and could
blackmail them with passwords.

VS> the license had not yet had time to pay off, and you abandoned SPF 22-23 in
VS> filehehu....

I don’t see the connection. You acquired a license for the retail sale of the magazine,
the exclusive right to distribution costs a little more... by the way, we sold
several licenses - can you also make a claim?

VS> As I understand it, the release of Spectrophones was discontinued and therefore
VS> subj?

Subj - your assessment, and an unfair one - we made a magazine for readers, and
not for five sellers.

VS> It’s not respectable, somehow it turns out on your part....

What if we, having released the numbers, immediately threw them into the media? Would you just take
from there and take it to the market or would you act solidly - buy this right?

VS> Vladimir Spashko 18 Sep 97 14:22 hour.

With respect, Dmitry (OLDMAN).
old...@i-connect.ru

VM> This is clearly unnecessary. Moreover, SN himself threw 22/23 into the echo, but VL did not give the password
VM> to anyone (and would hardly have given it ;)

Then why did he throw it?

VM> Warm greetings,
VM> Slava!

VL> I would give it, but after some time.

I would decide for myself how long?

VL> But once (^^^), then again: 22: 22#nofps, 23: finishhim

I hope you didn’t change anything there? Didn't you set up your copyrights? Like "general
distributor" or "editor-in-chief"?

VL> With best wishes, Vladimir.

SZ>> It’s unlikely that anyone will buy it in St. Petersburg.
How much does this license cost? Who can give information on this topic, where to get it
and what it gives and of course the price?
SZ>> And you want to do the same with Formata?

Hacker Liroy
E-mail: hac...@liroy.poltava.ua
WWW: http://www.strongsoftware.net/liroy
http://www.chat.ru/~liroy

AL>> Of course not. And the license for Formats has not yet been purchased by potential
AL>> clients?

Saturday September 20, 1997 02:32, Igor Gruzdev wrote to Sergei Novikov:

IG> Well, the password protection was specifically for this purpose, so as not to interfere with
IG> sales. Although I also don’t quite understand Vova’s action, throwing away the password
IG> spectrophone. It would be better not to throw at all. And you, after all, shouldn’t have thrown
IG> again, it would have been easier to give Vova permission to throw the passwords to the archive. Well

I’m sure that few people were very upset when a mega with
Spectrophones from _the authors_ fell on him... Still, we have some kind of popularity...
What Larkov threw was entirely on his conscience, he didn’t ask permission for this from me
or Yuri. And it doesn’t matter whether he was the first to do it or the second, with or without passwords... Although, the latter is precisely what is important. If there were no passwords, then it
would look like simple piracy, to which we have long been accustomed and, after
all the vicissitudes associated with the attempt to sell the latest issues, it would not have caused
a negative reaction from us... Posting our spoiled works looked like
the arrogant act of a novice fidoshnik, who recently acquired a modem faster than 2400 and
is running away from his possibilities.

IG> yes, it’s on your conscience...

On mine. The initiative is mine.

IG> Feha is still not rubber, they will cover it up as a discrepancy with the name
IG> and traffic. :) It will be on *.os2.* or *.girls soonsimilar...

To prevent the fekha from being closed, try to explain to Larkov that you don’t need to prove your
immeasurable coolness at the expense of the fakha’s subscribers.

VS>> subj? It’s not respectable, somehow it turns out on your part....

SN> Well, sorry, of course. Although I don’t know how this can affect trade.

Almost every specrumist has a friend - an ex-specrumist, now a fidoshnik... and unprotected soft tends to multiply in geometric
progression.

SN> After all, Milun’s cries about the fact that the protection on SPF
SN> breaks down after 5 minutes. Therefore, it costs your
SN> users nothing to hack the numbers. Those. the same for the same.

Of course, there is no point in protecting from traders, any protection sooner or later
will still be hacked, here the only hope is for decency... There is a
sense in protecting from ordinary users so that they do not trade with each other.

Best wishes! Vladimir Spashko 21 Sep 97 22:30 h.

DG> Subj - your assessment, and an unfair one - we made the magazine for
DG> readers, and not for five sellers.

So then we had to distribute it ourselves and distribute it among readers, why
were we selling licenses? And the “five sellers”, by the way, are doing just that: bringing your magazine to the readers, they don’t sit over it like a dog in the manger;-)

VS>> It’s undignified, somehow it turns out on your part....

DG> What if we, having released the issues, immediately threw them into the media? Would you just take
DG> from there and take it to the market, or would you act solidly and buy this right?

The question is, of course, an interesting one. ;-)
What would be the point of buying a license for something that is given freely to everyone?

Best wishes! Vladimir Spashko 21 Sep 97 23:42 hours.

VS>> bought

DG> This was probably caused by Larkov's insulting trick...

The thought of a retaliatory injection did not occur to the father of Russian democracy?

DG> It was very unpleasant to feel that someone was flattering himself with the thought that
DG> was holding STEP by... and could blackmail you with passwords.

I tried to blackmail you passwords? Did you even find out from me why and why I did it? No? Continue to fantasize.

With best wishes, Vladimir.

DG> I hope you didn’t change anything there? Didn't you set up your copyrights? Like
DG> “general distributor” or “editor-in-chief”?

Dmitry, I’ll probably stand up for Vova. ;)
Have you seen spectrophones from 0 (demo) to 21 inclusive from fileha? Any complaints?
Hardly. In St. Petersburg, if they break it, they break it honestly. :)

Tuesday September 23, 1997 01:25, Sergei Novikov wrote to Vyacheslav Mednonogov:

VM>> b) again, E97 demos and E97 graphics came from Moscow (and from SN), in
VM>> while everyone knows that Larkov + Chris (as organizer)
VM>> preparing release discs with graphics, music, demos

SN> !!!!![a thousand exclamation marks]!!! First of all, who knows that they are preparing something
SN> there? Graphics, music - perhaps... Demos... Were they going to redo them
SN>?

By the way, for such an "organization", and in fact, for the failure of Inlight, for undermining people's trust in such events in the future (certainly few will risk coming to St. Petersburg next
year) - shouldn't they be deprived of any
exclusive right to publish some kind of commercial collections? frivolous
materials? Moreover, the exclusivity of their rights has always been in doubt... They had the opportunity to make the collection first, right after Inlight, in my opinion, this is enough. And preparing releases for months, and even declaring competition entries
your property...

Sun September 21, 1997 22:42, Vladimir Spashko wrote to Dmitry Grigoryev:

VS> Hmm. You sold me a license for retail sales and practically there
VS> you gave away a free magazine to my potential customers...

I didn’t know that the Fido network is your customers ;)

VS> And the licenses that you sold to other cities don’t bother me, it’s yours

And the licenses sold to companies selling in all cities?

VS> right, especially since the person who bought the license, I think, will at least
VS> somehow protect the copies and will not squander them left and right.

Not always... Has the demand for magazines dropped sharply? Let's say... Are you sure,
more precisely, can you argue with reason that it fell precisely because of
posting them in the file archive? And not because, for example, numbers began to arrive in the city ordered from the companies "Inforcom", "Scorpion", "Logros"? Or because
your protection was hacked/copied (did you install it, by the way?), or they found a password
to the archives abandoned by Larkov (I especially liked the latter - half an hour
of work for a novice hacker familiar with the circumstances of the case... He would have entered “last”
...). However, I am not surprised - this is not the first time I have encountered the persistent prejudice of Fido members that this network is used by the whole world, including potential buyers. Howeverless, even in 10 million (if I'm not mistaken) Moscow, there are only 16 thousand registered users, but what is the percentage of Fido who are interested in Spectrum, and most importantly, willing to pay for programs for it...
There is no need to create illusions...

EM> Well... And now - September 19... ;)))
EM> You didn’t understand me. I meant that for various reasons (I don’t know which ones) SPF22-23 has been around for a couple of months, but is not being distributed. I can’t say the same about
EM> format. (If only because ZX-Format 6 is at
EM> my house...)

Did you write this on purpose to show off your “coolness”? Like... It
_distributes_ since August 17th!

cYa, aRTY/dR! · · ··· Email: Ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · ···

VS>> subj? It’s not respectable, somehow it turns out on your part....

SN> Well, sorry, of course. Although I don't know how this might affect trade. After all
SN> Milun’s cries have not yet died down about the fact that the protection on SPF breaks down in 5
SN> minutes.
What does “screaming” mean??? "Yes, I'm so tired of you that the idea of ​​opening 'domestic programs of this level' might have occurred to you." Can you tell me whose words these are?
Oh, such “protection” only makes me feel better...
SN> Consequently, it doesn’t cost your users anything to hack numbers. Those. then
SN> the same thing.
I agree... A more or less advanced user will not immediately, but will open both the SPF and...

Wednesday 24 September 1997 02:03, Sergei Novikov wrote to Dmitry Grigoryev:

DG>> By the way, for such an “organizer”, and in fact, for the failure of Inlight,

SN> This specific “organizer”... =) For an amateur.

Rather, an amateur... At the level of competitions amateur performances in cultural
and recreation parks.

SN> Yeah. They discouraged DR from making a demo for next year (see HKR49,
SN> IMHO).

And not only DR, I think...

DG>> - shouldn’t they be deprived of any exclusive right
DG>> to publish some kind of commercial collections of frivolous materials?

SN> Yes, let them publish it. It can't get any worse.

Even so, they slept through the "right of the first night" and didn't deserve ownership rights to the competition
works.

DG>> Moreover, the exclusivity of their rights was always in doubt...
DG>> they had the opportunity to make the collection first, right after Inlight,
DG>> in my opinion, that's enough. And preparing releases for months, and even
DG>> declaring the competition works as your property...

SN> If you hurry, you will make people laugh :))

Hard in training - easy in battle ;)) Shells had to be prepared in advance, work
assembled in the first hours of the event, and during it behave like at your
wedding, and not like at your birthday ;) In the sense, not have fun together with
everyone, and forfollow order.

In order to just copy everything into a heap, right? Just look at the volumes - 160
pictures and 80 music (approximately). At least estimate the pure time just for packaging/compilation. Despite the fact that out of 17 dig. Mouzon 15 in dig. studios,
1 - hmm, 1 - I don't know what, in myself. Hint: not everyone has 24 hours of free time
a day.

DG> And it takes months to prepare releases, and even declaring competition entries as your
DG> property...

Please provide the text of this “declaration as your property.”

By the way, yes, it is de facto property. The participants, by the way, were aware of what distribution would look like. Those who didn't like it didn't have to participate. Don't you like it? Where is your work? Oh, yes, you didn’t participate.
Why are you breathing so quickly? Maybe in five minutes your imagination will whisper to you that I should send you a parcel with the work directly for home delivery? And
you will begin to ask why I haven’t run to the post office yet?

Last time: I didn’t promise anyone any clear deadlines, we are not bound with
any material or other obligations (in terms of deadlines). Everything is done in
free time. Everything will be done, not a single piece of work will go to waste. Everything will be issued immediately when everything is ready. Distribution routes - fekha and
inet. Information in parallel here and in SPB.SPECCY.

Similarly - continuation of the conversation - to the point. In the echo it islast letter from me on
this topic.

With best wishes, Vladimir.

SZ>>> very large for 2 disks. I don’t know exactly which one. You can also buy from
SZ>>> us, you can cash on delivery, if you link to Fido there will be discounts.

VS>> And in a week some kind soul will throw it into the echo chamber, like SPF
VS>> 22-23. No, excuse me... we'll wait...

VM> Of course, no one is immune from anything, but, IMHO, we'll have to wait for a long time
VM> :)

Now I just don't want to break anyone. (Killed all the hackers! =( or =). Otherwise, he would have been in the fae for a long time. ;) With a password :)

If I could only reach you, if I could make you smile, if I could only reach
you, that would really be a breakthru! (c) Queen

SN> Abandoned the Larks. A password-protected version of unknown quality. Damn
SN> knows when he could have thrown out this very password. So it’s better
SN> let people get the normal version than the Larkov version.

The devil knows what else is inside, right? Maybe not spectrophones at all? Just kidding yourself - what if this is so? Would you be tempted to provoke the year?

With best wishes, Vladimir.

Sun 21-Sep-97 09:35, Dmitry Grigoryev (2:5020/689.31@FidoNet) wrote a letter
Igor Gruzdev:

DG> PS: If it weren’t for Larkov’s trick, would you be against our posting? No?
DG> Then why do you blame us for his actions?

If it weren’t for Larkov’s “trick”, your “distributors” would have eaten you up with your socks
for your posting. And there would be nothing to excuse it with.

PS: aren’t you tired of raising traffic yet?

With best wishes, Vladimir.

Some will need to be patched a little. This year, thank God, quite a bit.

SN> Just stupidity. Due to the fact that the organizers are preparing something there,
SN> it is impossible to throw demos to the people (in fact, there was no music and graphics). And
SN> people are forced to wait six months for the organizers to finally
SN> get everything together? (will they collect it?)

Go to a fortune teller.

What are you dissatisfied with? Maybe you'll pay me a bonus for working overtime? Maybe you and I have signed an agreement in which the terms are stipulated? No? Well then, I don't owe you anything.

SN> By the way, the graphics have been ready for a long time. For some reason I didn’t see her in the fech. Or
SN> only SPF pass through the facade from Larkov? :)

"As my boss says: if a person is a fool, then it will last for a long time" (c). Now again
(the third or fourth and (hopefully) the last) - I will throw _everything_ at once when
_everything_ is ready. Now there are two things left to do - report and int. music.

SN> And finally, I didn’t expect that anyone would be unhappy that I would throw
SN> some demos into the faucet. In this case, why not make a claim
SN> Digital Reality, Power of Sound and Samara, who threw their work into the echo?

Have I made a claim to anyone? It’s very nice to read all these fantasies - you came up with the question yourself - you came up with the answer yourself. Order the YM short story about the evil wizard
Larkov and the good wizard Novikov, at RVL#4publish it.

We have a democracy - everyone throws whatever they feel like, right? This is a fact, right? Throw whatever you want for health, just don’t tell me what and when I should
throw, right?

SN> If he throws SPF, let him throw ZF too, then it will be fair.

See. higher. If you feel the urge, throw it.

With best wishes, Vladimir.

VS> No, excuse me... we'll wait...
I completely agree with you!
Why should we spend our hard-earned money - if some "kind" guy will give it all to us for free anyway? men#$%^#tion - IT'S A shame!!!!
It's unlikely that I'll ever have a desire to buy any "licenses" for
trade - I'd rather pay a hacker for hacking - it'll be cheaper and it won't be offensive
if what happened!

With respect, Scorpion

To be honest, I somehow absolutely don’t care who throws what and when. I am not involved in any sales, distribution, breaking, etc. Maximum - I have a bbsa on which all this is posted. Therefore, personally, I would not be against it, but only for it, because I collected _all_ the released spectrophones. Well, of course, it didn’t hurt for the heap either. To replenish the collection.

[skip]

Strange subjects you have here :)

Good Luck...

... Shin: A device for finding furniture in the dark.

It’s quiet outside the window, and I’m sitting and writing a response to a letter written from Vyacheslav
Mednonogov to Sergei Novikov Mon Sep 22, 1997 at 02:16...

IG>> no one gave it. ;( I have 4.5, in the TV disk, but I won’t throw it
IG>>. :) Here. And the fifth one is on the distribution version (with all sorts of
IG>> protections)
VM> And finally, IG has the habit of first asking permission, and then
VM> to quit.

How do you know? :-O :) Well, no one will give you the sixth format?
Without protection and without distribution rights? ;)

AH>>> Format was released on August 17...
EM>> Well... And now - September 19... ;)))
EM>> You didn’t understand me. I meant that for various reasons (I don’t know which ones) SPF22-23 has been around for a couple of months, but is not being distributed. I can’t say the same about
EM>> format. (If only because ZX-Format 6 is at
EM>> my house...)

Saturday September 20 1997 07:39, Dmitry Grigoryev ─── Vladimir Spashko:

VS>> And why was this done? Not even a month had passed since I bought
DG> Probably this was caused by Larkov's offensive prank... It was very
DG> unpleasant to feel that someone was flattering himself with the thought that he was holding STEP for
DG> ... and could blackmail him with passwords.
Why do you see conspiracies everywhere???????!!!!!!! First Romanov, then me, now here's Larkov ?????!!!!!! Just some kind of paranoia....

Sunday September 21 1997 08:35, Dmitry Grigoryev ─── Igor Gruzdev:

[.....]
DG> I am sure that few people were very upset when a mega with
DG> Spectrophones from _the authors_ fell on them... Still, What kind of popularity do we
DG> have... What Larkov scammed is entirely on his conscience, he
DG> did not ask permission for this from either me or Yuri. And it doesn’t matter whether he was the first to do it or
DG> the second, with or without passwords... Although, the latter is precisely what is important. If
DG> there were no passwords, then it would look like simple piracy, to which we
DG> have long been accustomed and, after all the vicissitudes associated with the attempt to sell
DG> the latest issues, this would not have caused us a negative reaction...
And in this situation, therefore, it did?

[.....]

VL> The thought of a retaliatory injection did not occur to the father of Russian democracy?

"An injection"? You caused the early announcement of a freeware product, you are
our face of Inlight...

VL> Did I try to blackmail you with passwords?

;) “Yes, I blackmailed the whole STEP!”

And who? Did you blackmail Novikov with passwords for a magazine belonging to Yuri and me?
Even if you didn’t understand this, what do the last two have to do with your
squabbles?

VL> Did you even find out from me why and why I did it? No?

What makes you think that I’m interested in this? You did... wrong, blackmail is a dirty business, why should I care about your motives? Do you think I would say “well done!
that’s what we need!”?

VL> Continue to fantasize.

Not counting suspicions of correction, everything else is facts.

AM> Dmitry, without any attacks,

Sorry, I can’t resist :(

AM> but here’s a question: if YOU made a magazine FOR READERS, then why
AM> did you sell the licenses to sellers, and didn’t you just throw them into the fag?

Can you guess it three times? ;) I don’t think so... When you do something that will
cost money (hint first: and invest in it), you will probably understand...
(hint two: the authors are promised a fee) And in the end, naturally
any product is made for the consumer (or do you think that we “sold
air”?) - the reader received the magazine, the goal was achieved, what does subj have to do with it?

AM> and if you SOLD THE LICENSE, then all distribution rights are for
AM> sellers.

You, I see, have learned to set quotas? In golded it's probably more convenient? But, as
always, you cut it out without reading it :( I repeat, selling a RETAIL TRADE LICENSE or ALL DISTRIBUTION RIGHTS are completely different things.
No one has acquired exclusive rights, they are still ours.

AM> damn, people paid you money.

damn, we’ve been with people for a month gave!

AM> and instead of apologizing,

My apologies will not make you feel “dry” (unless you ;), and I don’t see any reason
to apologize for the fact that we disposed of our own product at our own
discretion (Lord, isn’t this phrase enough??!!), but my explanations
perhapswill help traders understand the causes of the "flood". Unlike you, Alex,
VS knows how to see the meaning of what he read.

AM> we learn that the sellers are also to blame for paying you money. or am I
AM> wrong too?

Not right. Where exactly in the letter to VS and what did I accuse him and other sellers of? Moreover
I didn’t blame them for paying us money.

AM> With best wishes, Arno from Omega group.

PS: I really liked your article, where you extolled the Spectrum and criticized pussies!
What happened, after all, how did you replace the cool Specky with a cheap three-ruble note (or
is it the Pentium with GUS that is to blame)? ;)

Sunday September 21, 1997 2:07 pm, Vladimir Larkov wrote to Dmitry Grigoryev:

VL>>> I would give it, but after some time.

DG>> I would decide for myself how long?

VL> I was going to consult with the steppe.

Then why are you so sure that you would? What makes you think that we would allow you?

Tue Sep 23, 1997, at 01:25, Sergei Novikov wrote to Vyacheslav Mednonogov:

SN> Well, why did you have to throw away SPF? With this
SN> Larkov only harmed those who bought a license for it. After all, the sale
SN> of licenses ended a long time ago.

nooo... it wasn’t Larkov who harmed the sellers, but you. what he threw was with passwords, and what you threw was without.
so no need to look for the switchman.

DG> Here we are... Has this reduced your income? Sorry, but such is the fate
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
DG> traders... um... with a small field of activity...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I’m reading this and I don’t believe that OLDMAN wrote this.

DG> By the way, for such an “organization”, and in fact, for the failure of Inlight,

here by the way you can argue. why do you think that
Enlight'98 failed? WHAT did it fail for spektrumists?
only the failed music compo, and it didn’t take place _only_ due to lack of time to scroll through
all the works - what are the organizers to blame for this? everything else was up to standard and does not raise any complaints. and we
don’t consider the writing part right now - here (ZX.SPECTRUM)
before that it’s ultraviolet.

DG> for undermining

MR> Yeah, who threw it? XLD employees? No. -> no complaints to be
^^^^^^^^^^
ROTFL!!!

With best wishes, John.

===> #/FUCK/# *mUlTiMeDiA*, #/MAKE/# more $dEmOs$ ===>

23 Sep 97 01:25, Sergei Novikov communicated with Vyacheslav Mednonogov about {ZF6 - in
fahu!}:

SN> Therefore, so that the issue does not go to waste (the impression was created that
SN> the editors will not be able to establish distribution outside St. Petersburg without IFC), it is better
SN> just throw him into the fire department "how sad is this not." 4) The first letters (2 pieces) about where to buy ZF6

begin to appear in the echo
SN> In any case, it is up to the ZXF editors to decide. At least no one
expected such loud calls from you to throw the 6th number into the fire.

I am outraged by such statements (not specifically this, there have been many of them)!
How much can you criticize just the organizers about the failure of the second day?
Imho, those who left mountains of garbage, drew on the walls and
others who behaved inappropriately at E'97 should criticize themselves. First you need to look at your culture of behavior. “The people” themselves did a lot of things, and then, it turns out, their trust was undermined (although it’s a shame for those who came from other cities and were not able to exhibit their work). You can criticize the organizers for poor technique,
incorrect implementation of compo, voting method, etc., etc., because this was
their main task, but not because the security could not run after everyone and
collect bottles.

With respect, Nikolai.

EM> Why do you see conspiracies everywhere???????!!!!!!! Then
EM> Romanov, then me, now here’s Larkov ?????!!!!!! Just paranoid
EM> some....

:))))

Good Luck...

... Remember: "Always mount a scratch monkey."

EM> "At him..." ??? Only now - Larkova? Now, it’s not Romanov,
EM> not me, but Larkov, who is trying to “jump out and show his cool”
EM> ?

Leave it... It’s useless... ant logic reigns here. Have you ever seen an anthill in the shape of a tea rose, or a four-dimensional hypercube? (C) D.M. :)

Good Luck...

... IBM: Yesterday's technology today!

SN> And you sent it to me ;)

And you sent me the money :))

Good Luck...

... Windows Error 019: User error. It's not our fault. Is not! Is not!

DG>> prove your immeasurable coolness at the expense of fehi subscribers.

EM> “Atta him...” ??? Only now - Larkova? Now, it’s no longer
EM> Romanov, not me, but Larkov, who is trying to “jump out and show his
~~~~~~~ ~ ~~~~~~~
EM> coolness”?

Put everyone in one row... This is something to think about.

Don’t lump everyone together. With you it was a completely different _case_, but with Max
Romanov the argument was generally about magazines. Moreover, the dispute with him has long been peacefully ended. So very different things.

²MR: So what about the ZF6 announcement in Echo? Just a list of the most important materials.

With God's blessing, Novikov Sergei AKA Spirit/STEP

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SN>> I’m so eager to read it. Nothing like that. I just think this: if
SN>> the St. Petersburg people threw in SPF, then let them throw in ZF too. To be fair.

MR> Yeah, maybe at the same time we can announce number 6 as the last one, right? So that
MR> it would be fair.

Well, whatever you want...

SN>> Freedom and justice for all, as they say in the American
SN>> constitution.

AM> here, by the way, you can argue. why do you think that
AM> Enlight'98 failed? WHY did it fail for the Spectrumists?

97

AM> only as a failed music compo, and it didn’t happen
AM> _only_ due to the lack of time to scroll
AM> all the works - what is the organizers’ fault here? everything else went at the
AM> level and does not raise any complaints. and we’re not considering the writing part right now -
AM> here (ZX.SPECTRUM) before that it’s ultraviolet.

You read the text in Alliance.trd. You'll understand. There was no normal music. Even the sexy Mouzon turned into some kind of laughing stock. It would be better not to show the demos at all with such playback quality. The progressive demo was not shown in full. Some didn't go at all. Was the black color almost invisible in the pictures? (c)Alliance.trd. Few? Then why do the authors of the text say that
“if you weren’t on Enlight, then you haven’t lost anything”, that “they won’t
go to St. Petersburg again” (example quotes), etc.?

And you call it Enlight? It should have been called Chaos'97. Sounds the same, by the way. And
more in line with reality.

DG>> for undermining people's trust in such events in the future (in
DG>> St. Petersburg, certainly few will dare to come next year)

AM> if you organize _separate_ something for the Spectrum so that
AM> it was time to calmly listen to all 100 Mouzons, view
AM> 300 pictures and 30 demos (you can count on this amount
AM> for the next year), everything will work out.

Where from? Next year the total will be 2 times less. Why? Guess for yourself.
Hint: 1. This year everyone who could came and participated, 2. Next year there will be no more Sinclairists, 3. Next year many E97 visitors will not
go... You can also bring...

With God's blessing, Novikov Sergei AKA Spirit/STEP

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SN> There are no complaints against you. Everything is individual to Larkov...

Well, take revenge on him, throw his magazine, or whatever he is doing...

Otherwise it turns out strange: I will take revenge on my mother-in-law by blowing up my neighbor's car...

Insanity, right?

Good Luck...

... MS-DOS is that thing that runs Windows!

SN> the dispute with him has long been peacefully ended. So they are completely different things.

That dispute was not over, everyone just frowned and remained with
their opinion (and a really final dispute is when one of the opinions
is accepted).... (i.e. the truth is established)

SN> ²MR: Because about the announcement of ZF6 in echo? Just a list of the most important
SN> materials.

Go ahead, what the hell is the 6th? 7th time :)

P.S. Not for me... I think everything is already there now...

Good Luck...

... Diplomacy is saying "nice doggy" until you find a rock.

AM>> WHAT did it fail for spektrumists?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
SN> 97

The only point of failure was the invalidity of the vote-lists...
And that’s all... But it failed for PC players mainly...

SN> the authors of the text say that “if you haven’t been to Inlight, then you haven’t lost anything”, that “they won’t go to St. Petersburg again” (example quotes), etc.?

I think St. Petersburg will not be poorer because of this...

SN> And you call it Enlight? It should have been called Chaos'97. Sounds the same,
SN> by the way. And it corresponds more to reality.

Has it ever occurred to you that with such volumes of complex work
we need to do a separate paty? Here there will be no one to blame...
Not the Amizhniki (by the way, the graphics on the E97 were shown on the Amiga... on the ZX
it would drag on forever)...

SN> Where from? Next year everything will be 2 times less. Why? Guess
SN> yourself. Hint: 1. This year, everyone who could came and took part, 2. Next year there will be no more Sinclairists, 3. Next year, many E97 visitors will not go... You can also bring...

I think if next. year there will be no ZX compo in the E98 program - then
it will be possible to say with firm confidence that it will not be forgotten...
think about why.

And whoever wants and can go (regardless of it), will go in any case
(after all, as you might guess, there will be no other alternative)

Good Luck...

... Killing is my business... and my business is good!

NP> Such statements outrage me (not specifically this, there have already been
NP> a lot of them)! How much can you criticize just the organizers about the failure
NP> of the second day? IMHO, those who left mountains of garbage,
NP> those who drew on the walls and others who behaved inappropriately at E'97 should criticize themselves. First
NP> you need to look at your culture of behavior. “The people” themselves did a lot of things, and
NP> then, it turns out, their confidence was undermined (although it’s a shame for those
NP> who came from other cities and were not able to exhibit their works). You can
NP> criticize the organizers for poor technique, incorrect implementation of
NP> compo, voting method, etc., etc., because this was their main
NP> task, but not because the security couldn’t run after everyone and collect
NP> bottles.

What, the organizers didn’t know how the people would behave? This was all clear in advance, especially to them (at least from the experience of '96). So...

But this is not the main thing. Email the text to ALLIANCE.TRD. The quality of the technology was at a level that is embarrassing to talk about. It didn’t show anything, everything was glitchy and hanging.
That’s why people began to wander around with nothing to do. If everything had been the way, the majority of the people would have been sitting in the hall and trudged along. We saw a completely opposite picture: because looking at the constantly hanging demos and listeningthe music with 2
channels was unbearable, many went outside to drink, etc. Isn't it? At least that's what I understood from numerous letters. No one else (except perhaps
Arno) called the organization decent.

DG> ;) “Yes, I blackmailed the whole STEP!”
DG> And who? Did you blackmail Novikov with passwords for a magazine owned by Yuri and
DG> me? Even if you didn’t understand this, then, anyway, what do the last two have to do with your
DG> showdowns?
Yeah yeah... And that means I blackmailed you a year and a half ago with my version of
“Star Heritage”? Then, two months ago, he weaved insidious intrigues around “Star Heritage - 2”? Oh yes, I forgot... Both you and Matveev always told me that... Especially you... No, sir, you definitely need to be treated for paranoia...

[.....]

DG> 2ALL: Twice I asked you to write to me with soap... The next letter will be to areafix,
DG> so it’s pointless to contact me now in the echo.
Nazdarovye... You still don’t respond to netmails...
DG> I am ridding myself of my boring presence and I apologize that DG>
DG> dropped in without knocking.
In... in... You will be greatly missed on the Spectrum...

SN> ~~~~~~~ ~ ~~~~~~~
EM>> coolness" ?
SN> Put everyone in one row... This is something to think about.
Yes, I’m okay... I was thinking too... And I noticed this pattern...
What was said about all three of them in turn that they were “trying to prove their coolness"...

SN> Don't lump everyone together. With you it was a completely different _case_, but with Max
SN> Romanov the argument was generally about magazines.
^^^^^^^^^
As far as I know in this echo with Step, they mainly argue about
magazines... I'm wrong ?
SN> Moreover, the dispute with him
SN> has long been peacefully ended. So these are completely different things.
I didn’t say “not over”, I said “took place”.
Okay, all this is offtopic...

For the Sinclairites, it was the coolest and most full of entertainment E in all
previous years!
:))

Warm greetings, Slava!

24 Sep 97 09:11, Evgeny Milun reported to Dmitry Grigoryev about {ZF6 - in fehu!}:

EM> Did they tell you to what extent many people reveled in the squeal of pigs
EM> your respected Sinclairists?

No one except this I didn’t see the Sinclairists :) All 80 people who
“drank themselves to the point of pig squealing” after the cancellation of Inlight in the park nearby were
_exclusively_ Sinclairists (2SN: 1/3 there were Moscow Sinclairists, and you
say that they are not there :)))
And finally, you weren’t there :(

EM> A what age structure prevailed?

What exactly did you want? What if they were gray-haired pensioners :)

EM> What, you had to assign a nanny to everyone? Or maybe you should just
EM> read _NON-SPECTRUM_ echoes, and find out what people now think about
EM> Sinclairists?

Hmm, except for zx.spectrum and zxnet's echoes, Inlight (IMHO) has not been covered in detail anywhere (even in ru.amiga). If not, forward a couple of letters...

Warm greetings, Slava!

SG> Yesss! STEP in my eyes has fallen a lot - and it’s not a pity for the money, but a pity that
SG> that they talked so much about distribution, but got a change #$%^#tion -
SG> It’s a shame!!!!

And if Larkov had abandoned Format, would XLD have fallen in your eyes?

With God's blessing, Novikov Sergei AKA Spirit/STEP

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It’s quiet outside the window, and I’m sitting and writing a response to a letter written from Sergei Novikov to
Alex Mikhailov Fri Sep 26, 1997 at 23:28...

SN> You read the text in Alliance.trd. You'll understand.

Read Nikron. All inlight releases. It is almost accurately and impartially told. And in this demo... Well, the leaflet is on the fence, no offense to the authors... Although I certainly understand them, the technical preparation of the inlight
was not to blame.

SN> There was no normal music. Even the shitty music turned into some kind of joke.

There was no music _at all_. The music compo did not take place. How can you talk about something
that never happened?

SN> It would be better not to show the demos at all with such playback quality.

They showed it very worthy. It could have been worse. (e'96)

SN> The progressive demo was not shown in full. Some didn't go at all. Was the black color almost invisible in the
SN> pictures? (c)Alliance.trd. Not enough?
SN> Then why do the authors of the text say that “if you weren’t on Inlight,
SN> then you haven’t lost anything”, that “they won’t go to St. Petersburg again” (example
SN> quotes), etc.?

They are reassuring themselves. :)

SN> Where? Next year the total will be 2 times less. Why? Guess for yourself.
SN> Hint: 1. This year everyone who could came and participated, 2. Next year
SN>there will be no more Sinclairists, 3. Next year many
SN> visitors to E97 will not go... You can give more...

But I agree with this. Unless you accept the impossible - just imagine, now Western emulators have begun to appear that support the Pentagon. Why not present a fantastic picture - foreigners come to Inlight and bring a demo to .tap, written on an emulator? ;) And they take first place... :)

With all sorts of regards and wishes.
Igor.

... Liar: the one who tells us the unpleasant truth.

SN> What, the organizers didn’t know how the people would behave? So it was
SN> everything was clear in advance, especially to them (at least from the experience of ’96). So...

At E'96, people drank beer on the street and didn't bother anyone, so the organizers, on the contrary
didn't count on that.

SN> But that's not the main thing. Email the text to ALLIANCE.TRD. The quality of the equipment was
SN> at a level that is embarrassing to talk about. It showed nothing, everything
SN> was glitchy and hanging.

I took a comfortable seat and sat and watched. Yes, bright was wrong, yes
statics (as well as dynamics) naturally looked worse than at home,
but it was better than on E'96. Think about how much money you need to spend to
install professional equipment for mixing video from three different
platforms.

SN> That's why people began to wander around with nothing to do. If everything
SN> was the way, the majority of people would sit in the hall and drag themselves along. We

At E'96, when I wasn't interested, I didn't hang around (and not just me, but many) in
the hall, but talked with acquaintances (including newly-made ones), sitting on the lawn.

SN> we saw a completely opposite picture: because looking at the constantly
SN> hanging demos

This caught my eye only when the same
"imported" one was repeatedly dropped demos. And so - Spectrum is Spectrum.

SN> and listenthe music with 2 channels was unbearable,
SN> many went outside to drink, etc. Isn’t it?

“Many” made a mess in the room. IMHO, if people went outside, there would be no problems.

SN> At least that’s what I understood from numerous letters. Nobody else
SN> (except perhaps Arno) called the organization decent.

I agree with him: it’s not so easy to hold such an event for free.

With respect, Nikolay.

It’s quiet outside the window, and I’m sitting and writing a response to a letter written from Sergei Novikov to
Nikolay Przhibysh Fri Sep 26, 1997 at 23:20...

SN> But that’s not the main thing. Email the text to ALLIANCE.TRD. The quality of the equipment was

:) In this lampoon /F-)/ they _too much_ exaggerated the colors. The two columns were only on for a couple of minutes, from dem... well, about three times some kind of reset (sort of like a power up). So
do not believe what is written. ;)

Sat 27-Sep-97 13:26, Igor Gruzdev (2:5030/529.13) wrote a letter to Sergei
Novikov:

IG> from dem... well some three times it reset

Four times.

IG> (sort of believed ap).

Amigo. Number thirteen. ;)

With best wishes, Vladimir.

SG> It’s unlikely that I will ever have a desire to buy some kind of “licenses” for
SG> trading - I’d rather pay a hacker for hacking - it will cost less and
SG> it won’t be offensive if what happened!

Why is it so offensive to you, but not offensive?

With respect, Alex from FFC COMPUTERS.

Somehow, Mon Sep 29 1997, I went into GoldED and read an interesting
letter from Vyacheslav Mednonogov to Nikolay Przhibysh:

NP>> for mixing videos from three different platforms.

VM> Here. Is it necessary?

VM> By the way, another reason why ?'98 should be held in St. Petersburg. As Wloder Black noted in Nikron'51, St. Petersburg is the only city where Speck hardware companies are highly developed. IMHO, you can try to beg
VM> from them for monitors and the most advanced equipment at the party. Where can you get this for free
VM> in Moscow/another city?

If only your Pentagon could be revived - it worked so well on E'96.
Or is this already impossible?

With respect, Nikolai.

SN> the shitty music has turned into some kind of laughing stock. It would be better not to show the demos at all at this quality of playback. The progressive demo
SN> was not shown in full. Some didn't go at all. Was the black color almost invisible in the pictures? (c)Alliance.trd.

mostly nonsense. (c) my

SN> Not enough? Then why
SN> the authors of the text say that “if you weren’t on Inlight, then you didn’t
SN> lose anything”, that “they won’t go to St. Petersburg anymore” (example quotes), etc.?

this _not everyone_ says, but mostly those who broke off and
did not take part in PC-compo ;)

my imho - FOR SPECTRUMISTS everything was a few times
more than last year, and there is no need to create panic.

DG>>> for undermining people’s trust in such events in the future (in

Wed Sep 24, 1997, at 10:42 am, Dmitry Grigoryev wrote to Alex Mikhailov:

AM>> but the question is: if YOU were making a magazine FOR READERS, then why
AM>> did you sell the licenses to sellers, and not immediately throw them into the fire department?

DG> Can you guess it three times? ;) I don’t think so... When you do something that
DG> will cost money (first hint: and invest money in it), you will understand,
DG> probably... (second hint: the authors are promised a fee) And in the end,
DG> naturally, any product is made for the consumer (or do you think that
DG> we were “selling air”?) - the reader received the magazine, the goal was achieved, and
DG> here subj?

and despite the fact that you deceived the people who trusted you (sellers),
in some way you undermined the Spectrum market in general (now sellers will think ten
times before paying any author
any more). I believe that the subject very clearly characterizes
what you did.

AM>> and if you SOLD LICENSES, then all distribution rights belong to
AM>> the sellers.

DG> You, I see, have learned to set quotas? In golded this is probably more convenient?

I don’t understand what caused such words? Did I insult you?

DG> But, as
DG> always, you cut it out without reading it :( I repeat, selling a LICENSE FOR
DG> RETAIL
DG> TRADE or ALLDISTRIBUTION RIGHTS are completely different things.
DG> No one has acquired the exclusive rights, they are still ours.

lol. I am not a seller, and therefore I can _unbiased_
evaluate your action from the outside. and he looks pretty
disgusting.

AM>> damn, people paid you money.

DG> damn, we gave people a month!

and people have already written to you that a month was not enough for them and they
didn’t even have time to recoup the costs.

AM>> and instead of apologizing,

DG> My apologies won’t make you feel “dry” (unless you ;), and I don’t see any reason
DG> apologize for the fact that we disposed of our own product at
DG> our own discretion (Lord, is this phrase really not enough??!!),

from a _formal_ point of view, you are right, but in my opinion,
you acted vilely.

DG> and
DG> here are my explanations, perhaps they will help traders understand the reasons for the "flood".
DG> In
DG> differences from you, Alex, VS can see the meaning of what he read.

I don’t see anything, I can’t do anything. May this
make it easier for you.

AM>> we learn that the sellers are also to blame for paying you money. or am I
AM>> also wrong?

DG> Not right. Where exactly in the letter to VS and what did I accuse him and other
DG> sellers of? Moreover, I did not accuse them of paying us money.

You accused them of meddling with theirstupid
problems that something didn't pay off for them,
when you perform some kind of act of good
will towards users and voluntarily
give them unprotected spf.

and after such an act of good will you go and try
to sell your new toy to someone, for example.

AM>> Best wishes, Arno from Omega group.

DG> PS: I really liked your article, where you extolled the Spectrum and blamed
DG> pussies!

not _all_ ptsshki.

DG> What happened, after all, how did you replace the cool Specky with
DG> a cheap three-ruble note

this never happened and could not happen. Now I have
486dx4-100, and Speck stands and works next to me, and I haven’t
changed anything.

SN> such a level that it’s embarrassing to talk about.
SN> Nothing showed, everything was glitchy
SN> and hung.

were you there to say so categorically?

SN> No one else (except perhaps Arno) called the organization decent.

I confirm - much more decent than last year.
IMHO, to the Spectrumists - It’s a sin to complain. except perhaps only on
music-compo. and even here it is not so much the organizers who are to blame, but some individuals who filled up the music compo
with a large amount of crap. I listened to ALL
music, and there are so few good works
that if there were only them, they would all be able to
play through in the allotted hour.

SN>>>>> Freedom and justice for all, as they say in the American
SN>>>>> constitution.
MR>>>> Yeah, who cheated? XLD employees? No. -> there CANNOT be any claims
MR>>>> and there shouldn’t be....

SN>>> Max Romanov's argument was generally about magazines.
EM>> ^^^^^^^^^
EM>> As far as I know in this echo with Step, they mainly argue
EM>> because of magazines... Am I wrong?

SN> :)) Does Peter stand behind his mountain? I wouldn’t have thrown if I hadn’t thrown Larkov,
SN> do you agree? So why confuse cause with effect?

So what, was it really VITALLY NECESSARY
to throw it after Larkov? ;)

VM> Hmm, except for zx.spectrum and zxnet's eh, Inlight (IMHO) was not covered in detail anywhere
VM> (even in ru.amiga). If not, forward a couple of letters...
Yes, here in Samara. Mikhail Shirobokov is a prominent personality of the Samara fido,
and in general, among Samara computer scientists... He was on all Enlights, and did not take lower
3rd place... Someone asked if there were cassettes in nature, on which all sorts of computer demos/videos... I said about Enlight ones cassettes...
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EM> Evgeny Milun (Evgeny...@p73.f18.n5057.z2.fidonet.org) wrote:

MS>> I’m also hearing this for the first time, could you be more specific? otherwise I saw
MS>> how such tapes are being filmed this year, there are three drunk people or
MS>> spektrumist or amizhnik (you can see them by their faces), one withcamera,
MS>> one with a microphone, and one gives an interview.
EM> Everything is almost like this... Only then fragments of
EM> demos are inserted into this cassette...

I’ll sooner completely puke if
fragments of their “demos” are also added to their drunken faces.

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29 Sep 97 01:16, Nikolay Przhibysh reported Vyacheslav Mednonogov about
{Enlight's Organization}:

NP> If only your Pentagon could be revived - it worked so well at E'96.
NP> Or is this no longer possible?

What do you think, smelled like E97? :)))

Warm greetings, Slava!

People will give monitors... Equipment? For some reason, no one noticed it on the E97 (in terms of
Spectrum) -> you can try to beg, but no further :)

In short, we can do without sponsors :) But at least there is one ZX...

A way to earn extra money: 1) inside buffet, 2) we'll come up with... T-shirts, for example :) Or
we'll promptly copy all the software in five copies. And then we’ll sell them to those who
want to have everything at once ;) 50 thousand for everything (not much, considering that
the music and pictures will be unpacked and will take up a bunch of disks).

Tue Sep 23 1997, at 23:28, Sergey Gudarev wrote to Vladimir Spashko:

VS>> And in a week some kind soul will throw it into the echo, like SPF
VS>> 22-23.
VS>> No, excuse me... we'll wait...

SG> I'm with I completely agree with you!
SG> Why should we spend our hard-earned money - if some “kind” guy
SG> will still give it all away for free :(

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Sunday September 28 1997 23:37, Vyacheslav Mednonogov ─── Sergei Novikov:

[.....]
VM> a) if Larkov had leaked the passwords to the SPF, then a black stain of shame would forever
VM> fall on him and on the whole of St. Petersburg :((( b) since the SPF cheated Novikov without passwords, then no one is to blame (or he is to blame:)

VM> Anyone can stumble, the main thing is to recover in time!
Unfortunately, in Stepa this saying is not in use... :((( At least for the last two years...

Tuesday September 30 1997 16:03, Sergei Novikov ─── Max Romanoff:

[.....]
MR>> I think St. Petersburg will not become poorer from this...
SN> So not only they will not go... BTW, and, IMHO, right will do.
[.....]
MR>> I think if next. year there will be no ZX compo in the E98 program - then
MR>> it will be possible to say with firm confidence that it will not be trashed...
MR>> think about why.
SN> Because almost no one will come.
Sergey, aren’t you tired of saying _FOR_ _ALL_ ????????? Personally, you,
and all of Step, were _VERY_ _STRONG_ _FUCKED_ by this very thing!!!!!
At least one representative of Step was at Enlight'97??? No???!!! And what are you saying on behalf of _everyone_???? Samara will definitely come...

MR>> And whoever wants and can go (regardless of it), will go in any case
MR>> (after all, as you can guess, there will be no other alternative)
SN> Where did you get the idea?
Will you organize it _personally_ _you_? No???!!! When you find someone who
_can_, then speak...

AM> I don’t understand what caused such words? Did I insult you?
Never mind... From communicating with this... mmmm... hacker, I was convinced
that this is his usual style of conducting discussions...

AM> Because you have already found scapegoats for yourself, and the fact that there was a complete
AM> lack of trash cans (sorry for that “vase” that stood on the 3rd floor”
AM> I can’t bring myself to call it a trash can), you don’t care.
I don’t know what’s going on with the trash cans... But... I think I’ve already given up here, what do IBM people think about Sinclair Enlight... Both about this and about the past...
(If a person is cultured, he will go to the next block in search of a trash can.. And if not,... then put it in front of his nose, and then...)
AM> The result is sad
AM> bottles (by the way, not only from beer) were thrown out anywhere. I
AM> was unlucky, one such stray bottle hit me right in the chest (BALTIKA #6)
AM> and I am still grateful to the thrower (that he didn’t manage to throw it 20
AM> centimeters higher). Honestly, there’s not much pleasant in this...
Stop... I I didn’t understand the _DIRECT_ connection between two things:
1) the absence of trash bins
2) _throwing_ (throwing, throwing,...) bottles

[.....]

AM> PS IMHO it makes sense to hold festivals like ENLIGHT somewhere in the south
AM> (say in Sochi or in the Crimea) let’s combine the pleasant, so to speak, with useful,
And useful is giving awesome money to the Ministry of Railways?
So to speak, “financial assistance to the fatherland”...

NP> E'96 was plowing. Or is this no longer possible?

Correct. In order to make a Party, you don’t have to look for a rich Pinocchio and freeload. The main thing is the premises, and technical issues can be solved
on your own.

Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov

SN>> People will give monitors... Equipment? For some reason, no one noticed it on the E97
SN>> (in terms of Spectrum) -> you can try to beg, but
SN>> no further :)

AI> Five or six monitors, 2 Pentagons, 2 Scorpios, an amplifier and sound...
AI> The premises are free (I hope).
AI> Computers in pairs - in case of glitches.

A why both pentagons and scorpions? We'll alternate, or something. No, it's better to have everything under the same standard. So that half of the demos don’t run on pentas, the other on scorps? Or
you can force everyone to make adjustments to a specific machine.

SN>> A way to earn extra money: 1) a buffet inside, 2) we’ll come up with... T-shirts,
SN>> for example :) Or we’ll quickly copy all the software in five
SN>> copies. And then we’ll sell them to those who want to fuck everything
SN>> at once ;) 50 thousand for everything (not much, considering that the music
SN>> and pictures will be unpacked and will take up a bunch of disks).

AI> Why do we need to earn money? On yourself?

It’s better if the money earned at the buffet goes to a Spectrum business than
to some tent owner.

AI> The buffet will be Outside ;)

You can make Inside only for cola andetc. (no booze). Then there will be less people drinking
(not everyone wants to go outside for a bottle when cola is at hand...)

AI> There is no park nearby, there is Arbat with a bunch of eateries.

Arbat... One of the most expensive, de facto, areas! =~( (But IFC is close ;)

SN> Way to earn extra money: 1) buffet inside, 2) come up with... T-shirts,
SN> for example :) Or quickly copy all the software in five
SN> copies. And then we’ll sell them to those who want to fuck everything
SN> at once ;) 50 thousand for everything (not much, considering that the music
SN> and pictures will be unpacked and will take up a bunch of disks).

With God's blessing, Novikov Sergei AKA Spirit/STEP

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EM> Sergey, aren’t you tired of saying _FOR_ _ALL_ ?????????

It’s clear as day. Do you want to argue?

EM> Personally, you, and the whole Step, are _VERY_ _STRONGLY_ _FUCKED_ by me with this _
EM> !!!!!

Yes? So unsubscribe from the echo, and don’t get on people’s nerves anymore. There will be more sense from this
.

EM> At least one representative of Stepa was at Enlight'97??? No ???!!!

Guess with the thousandth (I take it with a reserve) attempt

EM> And what, are you speaking on behalf of _everyone_ ???? Samara will come
EM> definitely...

Well done!!!!!!!!!! However, two people from Samara won’t make a difference, right?