SuperSpectrum... Is it needed?

In a letter dated Thursday July 10, 1997, Andrew Garavsky reported to Alexander Glebov:

AG> This is about hardware. But here everything is clear, you can use the keyboard in vain and not
AG> load it. I spent 5 years on Sinclair. This period is very modest in comparison with our giants, but still this was enough for me to understand for the rest of my life HOW to write programs. When I switched to Pisyukha, I was not shocked by the speed for two reasons: a) I actually worked at times on AG pisyukhas, and I knew what to expect from them. b) In most programs this speed
AG> is not very felt. I was completely shocked. I couldn’t imagine how
AG> a program could even BRAKE! Well, what slowed down on the Spectrum? Well, IS-DOS
AG> a little, well, demos with a million moving objects... And so - no.

On the Spectrum nothing slowed down, because they knew that besides the Spectrum with
a clock frequency of 3.5 megahertz there was no and never would be. It's only now that clones have started to do this with all sorts of bells and whistles. That's why we focused on what we had. After all, on
IBM you can say - “minimum: 386 & 8Mb RAM, preferably - 486 & 16Mb”. And what can you say on
Sinclair?

AG> And I’m simply horrified by the “quality” of the writing software. I remember how we
AG> squeezed every bit out of an already written program - and here the mediocre
AG> game takes dozensmeters.

So there, tens of meters are occupied not by code, but by graphics, sound and video. By the way
about the brakes - have you ever thought of recording a video file in MPEG format on a floppy disk and trying to write a player for it in Sinclair? Or, let's say, implement the ray tracing method, simultaneously creating a game like Quake?
On Sinclair, games take up so little because of the peculiarities of video memory organization.
Clive Sinclair certainly acted very smartly here. You can't imagine a better quality/volume ratio.

AG> And he wants PPro! Just imagine the capabilities of PPro, and if you write software on it
AG> by hand, it will calculate our Solar System down to
AG> the last speck of dust in a second.

And it counts. And the software was written not by hand, but by compilers. Only the most critical
places are written in ASMA.

AG> There are different thoughts about this. There are a lot of people still sitting on
AG> Sinclairs. And that's good. But pussies are getting cheaper and cheaper, and one day
AG> people will take it and switch to them. And he will start writing programs BY HAND.
AG> I'm afraid that our Western manufacturers will be knocked out...

They won't be. Because we will break our own arms. :) Writing programs for Win'95
on ASMA is not an easy task.

With respect, Andrew. Tuesday July 15 1997 20:59.

AG>> You are making strange statements, gentlemen, it is impossible to compare IBM and Speccy at all
AG>>, it’s like comparing a woman with a finger, and
AG>> the finger turns out to be the Spectrum, which is quite obvious, it is
AG>> compared to stumps, 486 and 386 machines has no errors, and therefore
AG>> is called only a computer.
DS> As far as I know, errors were only in the first batches of 386 and
DS> 66 Pentiums, and these errors were very quickly fixed there.

To begin with, in the latest Pro, II, MMX, errors were also found, but no processor errors were added to the speckie! What a _rotty dream you have!

AG>> And besides, guys, you went to the wrong category, it’s the same
AG>> what to bet against a 100 kg boxer - 250 kg boxer, the result in advance
AG>> is obvious, and you try to compare eight dischargers.
AG>> Well, let's get started? Spectrum,
AG>> with Scorpio, etc. I’m simply ashamed to compare. T.K.
AG>> XT will simply drown in its Low-Bit data streams;) )
DS> Now try to remember the last time youI saw the XT ;)
DS> It's like comparing a Zaporozhets with a 1925 FORD, the constipation is steep
DS> immeasurably, but these Fords are only left in museums ;)

So you want to say that it is better to drive a new, but glitchy foreign car
(for example, without brakes) than a working Zaporozhets? Thank you, I’d better go
slower, but I don’t want to hit a wall at 200 km/h!!! In general, it is not correct to compare computers with machines, since on computers (InTeL) errors in processor mathematics are possible in 1997, but on the latter machines everything is fine! If they also produced cars like Intel makes PENTIUM, then there would be half as many car enthusiasts!!! :-)))))) But it’s right to compare with the Speckie, since
it is BETTER in many respects!

With respect, Alex from FFC COMPUTERS.

AL> To begin with, errors were also found in the latest Pro, II, MMX, but no processor errors were added to Specki
AL>! What a _filthy dream you have!

Compare - 8500 transistors versus 6,000,000. Calculate how many more zeros there are. It was probably easier to design the Z80 than the Stump-2. Another question is that
nowadays the computers used in design are more powerful, but you still
can’t check everything with so many elements.

AL> So you want to say that it’s better to drive a new, but buggy foreign car
AL> (for example, without brakes) than to drive a working Zaporozhets? Thank you. speed 3.5 km/h. I think so.

Best regards, Andrew. Sunday July 20, 1997 11:41.

AM> It’s better to drive at a speed of 233, or even 266 km/h in a luxury car
AM> with the probability of crashing into a wall is 0.00000...000001 percent than
AM> weaving somewhere in the ass at a speed of 3.5 km/h. I think so.

I.e. in your opinion, all Spectrumists and Msixers, how did you put it in the ass?

With best wishes, John.

===> #/FUCK/# *mUlTiMeDiA*, #/MAKE/# more $dEmOs$ ===>

AL>> Thank you, I’d better go slower but I don’t want to hit the wall at a speed of 200
AL>> km/h!!!
OD> When you have the task of transporting 20 tons of cargo and Yekaterinburg to
OD> Moscow, you will not send 50 on a flight "Zaporozhtsev", loaded with 400 kg.

We were not talking about the server, but about the HOME computer. The PC is also not suitable as a
normal server!

AL>> In general, it is not correct to compare computers with computers, since on computers
AL>> (InTeL) errors in the mathematics of the processor are possible in 1997, but on machines
AL>> everything is fine!
OD> It is generally accepted that in ROM-BASIC the ZX-Spectrum has more than one error, but
OD> Sir Clive Sinclair never began to edit them in order to maintain
OD> compatibility of subsequent versions of the computer with the original. Since the
OD> computer, even with errors in its most important part, remained more than
OD> operational, we can safely consider them insignificant...
OD> Similarly, errors in the mathematical coprocessor of the Pentium
OD> appeared in such rare cases that people who had a processor with a
OD> error, as a rule, did not even change it. Draw analogies yourself. Moreover
OD> this error was subsequently corrected, and the “wrong”
OD> processorsthey changed it for free, which, in principle, brought
OD> some losses to Intel, although incomparable to the “moral” losses... :-)

What year was BASICROM released, and what year was Pen 2 with a bunch of errors! If ZILOG
or another normal company had released the processor in 1997, then there would have been no errors in it! But Intel, this... can’t even be called a company!!!

AL>> If they also produced cars like Intel makes PENTIUM, then there would already be two
AL>> less car enthusiasts!!! :-))))))
OD> Read Hayley's novel "Wheels" about car manufacturers, if you have a
OD> car - check it properly, there are more errors (conceptual,
OD> design, assembly) even than in the frivolous program
OD> of some Australian lammer...

Errors can be different, or a loss of speed of 0.5 km/h due to errors in
optics, or at 200 km/h into a wall and lack of brakes! The work of the PC,
and especially under ViNDOUZ, will remind more of the latter, plus the glitches of the processor!!!

AM>> Just compare - 8500 transistors versus 6,000,000. Calculate how many
AM>> zeros
AM>> there are more. It was probably easier to design the Z80 than the Stump-2. Another
AM>> question is that now the computers used in design are more powerful,
AM>> but all the same
AM>> you can’t check with so many elements.

AL> And here’s the CRAP to you, since MOTOROLA doesn’t have a single error!!! And if
AL> the developer is bad, then a bad toner is always... interfered with!

I’ll be honest, I haven’t heard much about Motorola, and I’ve never had the opportunity to program on it
. Therefore, I can’t tell you anything, since I don’t know anything
neither about its architecture, nor about its command system.

AM>> It’s better to drive at a speed of 233, or even 266 km/h in a luxury car
AM>> with a probability of crashing into a wall 0.00000...000001 percent than trudge
AM>> somewhere in the ass at a speed of 3.5 km/h. I think so.

AL> After all, the Z80 has NO errors AT ALL, and I’m sure if Z had been released in 1997
AL> with the same number of transistors, there wouldn’t have been any errors anyway!

The Z80 was initially a dead-end branch among different families of processors. Just think about how you can expand its command system so that it becomes 32-bit and also maintains compatibility with its ancestor. Therefore, in 1997, he still would not have been revived.

AL> Now imagine the picture, you bought such a car, and YOU
AL> were lucky enough to drive into the wall!

So, it’s a lottery, though. He who doesn’t take risks doesn’t drink champagne.

AL> And finally, because of Intel, the percentage of glitches is much higher, and you can’t forgive
AL> the processor developers for such mistakes in 1997. And if they don’t know how to do
AL>, then there was no point in entering the market in this area!

But it’s interesting, if Intel is pushing such crap instead of processors, then what
is preventing AMD or Cyrix (may peace be upon him) from releasing completely bug-free processors? They boast that their stones are built according to a completely different architecture from Intel
architecture. It seems to me that the whole point is that in 80x86 there is already so much stuff crammed in from different times that it is no longer possible to figure out where the glitch is and where it should be.

With respect, Andrew. Wednesday July 23, 1997 12:13.

AM>> a car with a probability of crashing into a wall is 0.00000...000001 percent,
AM>> than lagging somewhere in the ass at a speed of 3.5 km/h. I think so.

The speed and power of a computer is a relative concept...
I have an iP-II-266 Mhz (512 cache), 64Mb EDORAM, MATROX Millenium 4Mb,
but some games in higher resolutions still _BRAKE_!!!

But but The obsession with SPECTRUM is so strong that I can’t wait
when I download an emulator somewhere...

P.S.: By the way, on SPECTRUM, urinating in toys is a HUGE HIGH!!!
IBM PC is not even close to lying around here - the number of entertaining and interesting
games on The Spectrum, in my opinion, far exceeds the number of games on the computer...
And in general, IBM, in the vast majority of cases, is for WORK, and the Spectrum is a
GAMING Computer!!!

JS> That is. in your opinion, everyone is Spectrumists and Msixers, how do you put it in the ass?

This is a deep misconception - I am still a fan of SPECTRUM,
and the pussy periodically gets boring...............................................
........................

JS> With best wishes, John.

JS> ? Origin: Motorola processors are xApAshO! (2:5030/221.24)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ - ?????????????????????

With best..., Pavel

Like an Airgrill curix;)?
AM> a car with a probability of crashing into a wall is 0.00000...000001
AM> percent,
Nu-Nu, for your information, if you calculate the probability of such a process on a stump, then
it will be approximately 120-150 percent! For one simple reason, probability (
percentage) is calculated using formulas containing multiplication and division, so
on the stump, an expression like (X*Y)/X-Y has never been zero, and with six-digit
numbers the error is a three-four-digit number, so it’s hitting the wall you
get into trouble at a speed of 266MM/YEAR with a probability of 150%.
AM> than to trudge somewhere in the ass at a speed of 3.5 km/h. I think so.
It looks like you don’t think at all.
Why the hell did you get into this echo? Nobody asked you to climb here, but if you do, then be so kind as to respect that machine, thanks to which this echo exists,
and which is made much better than your brainy stump.
AM> Best regards, Andrew. Sunday July 20, 1997
Your respect is not noticeable.

Alexander.

In a letter dated Thursday July 24, 1997, Alexander Glebov wrote to Andrew Mikheyev:

AG> It looks like you don’t think at all.
AG> Why the hell did you get into this echo? Nobody asked you to climb here, but if
AG> climbed in, then be so kind as to respect that machine, thanks to which this
AG> echo exists, and which is made much better than your brainy stump.

The fact of the matter is that I respect this machine, if only because I made it myself,
repaired it myself, myself configured. This would be my first computer, on which I began to program seriously, on which I learned assembly language. How can I not respect him? But when I hear in this echo phrases like:

- Throw away all your buggy stumps and buy a Z-80!
- Reliability is more valuable than speed!
- Z-80 was, is and will be better than all the processors, because it is Z-80!
- You will go more quietly further!
- Give me a 32-bit Z-80 !
- Spectrumization of the entire country by the year 2000! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!

For some reason this reminds me of the bright communist times, when our computers
won chess tournaments everywhere, were ahead of the rest of the planet in everything and
everywhere. That's exactly what they wrote in the newspapers. And we believed... or wanted to believe.

Why not stop engaging in, let’s say, self-satisfaction?

In a letter dated Wednesday July 23, 1997, Vladimir Yudin reported to Andrew Mikheyev:

AM>> The Z80 was initially a dead-end branch among different families of
AM>> processors. Just think about how you can expand its command system,
AM>> so that it becomes 32-bit and also maintains compatibility with
AM>> its ancestor. Therefore, in 1997, it still would not have been revived.

VY> Three quarters of the ED prefixes are free - expand as many as you like.

Free?!?!?! You are very mistaken. There are all undocumented commands
which give a very definite result. Basically it is NOP, but everyone knows
that it is NOP and uses it for their own purposes. So if a new processor is released, then
20% of programs will not work on it because in place of the undocumented
NOP there will be some kind of

SUB EHL, DWORD PTR [EBC + 0024342h]
Does it look cool? :)

Sincerely, Andrew. Friday July 25 1997 21:15.

Once upon a time, specifically Thursday July 24, 1997 at 01:16 Alexander Glebov
wrote to Andrew Mikheyev:

AG> reason, probability (percentage) is calculated using formulas
AG> containing multiplication and division, and so, on the stump, an expression like
AG> (X*Y)/X-Y was never zero,

Take a calculator and recalculate this expression, for example, for X=10 and Y=5.
How much did it turn out, zero?

AG> and for six-digit numbers the error is three-four-digit
AG> number,

Ha fpu?????????????? LMD. :(

AG> so that you will run into a wall at a speed of 266MM/YEAR with a probability of
AG> 150%.

People, if you criticize something, then you justify it with facts, and don’t talk
nonsense.
2AG: maybe you can throw in the source code of the “error”? (soap)

Once upon a time, and specifically Tuesday July 22, 1997 at 07:14 Alex Letaev
wrote Oleg Devjatkin:

AL> They were not talking about the server, but about the HOME computer. The PC is also unsuitable as a
AL> server!

Hmm. Why? (you can use soap). And what's good? (also soap)?

AL> What year was BASICROM released, and what year was Pen 2 with a bunch of errors!

It makes absolutely no difference.

AL> If ZILOG, or another normal company released the processor in 1997
AL>, then there would be no errors in it!

There would be. You see, the number of errors does not depend on the year. And a device that
_has_ no errors at all_ is absent by definition. If it seems that they don’t exist
it means they just haven’t been found yet.

AL> The work of the PC, and especially under ViHNDOUZ, will be more reminiscent of the second, plus
AL> the glitches of the processor!!!

Again, the unseen haim :((( I’m tired, damn it.
A big request to everyone who claims this, please list all the current glitches in: Windows, Ppro, other Intel >486 products older than 96.
Preferably with a link to the press or www-site. The fact that something doesn’t work for a friend can be explained by the crooked hands of this very friend. At the same time
I’m interested in your understanding of the word “Glitch”

Otherwise, everything you say is called “empty chatter.”

P.S.compare _existing_ shortcomings, not imaginary ones. I'm not saying at all that there are no errors _at all_. I say that you don’t know them, and therefore you begin to fantasize. Not good, sir.

2AL: Don’t be offended, but I don’t believe that you even saw PPro-2 live.

AM> But it’s interesting, if Intel is pushing such crap instead of processors, then
AM> what
AM> is stopping AMD or Cyrix (peace be upon him) from releasing completely bug-free
AM> processors? They
AM> boast that their stones are built according to a completely different architecture from Intel
AM>. It seems to me that the whole point is that in 80x86 there are already so many
AM> things
AM> crammed in from so many different times that it is no longer possible to figure out
AM> where there is a glitch and
AM> where it should be.

So I say that Speckies are better in this sense, if only because it is clear where
there is a glitch and where it is not! However, FUCKING Intel managed to train its users so that they began to look at the computer philosophically (as great uncle BILLY bequeathed), and take the glitches of computers in 1997 for granted, but isn’t it time to come to their senses, and understand that a computer made in 1997, and even an expensive one, should not glitch, but programs for these computers should
give a predictable result (and not like ViHNDOUZ live your life, and
fly off and glitch no matter what!)!!! That's why Specky is BETTER!!!

Greetings, dear Alex!

I read, look, see, and Alex Letaev, 22 Jul 97, writes to Oleg Devjatkin:

AL> What year was BASICROM released, and what Pen 2 with a bunch of errors! If
AL> had
AL> ZILOG, or another normal company released a percent in 1997, then
AL> there would be no errors in it! But Intel, this... can’t even be called a company!!!
Well, yes, of course :)))))
Well, there you go! What do you think of ZILOG as a “normal company” (it’s not visible)
And why is INTEL not a company?

Yours sincerely
S ERGEY

TY> Again the unseen haim :((( I’m tired, damn it.
TY> I kindly ask everyone who claims this to list all the currently existing glitches in: Windows, Ppro, other Intel >486
TY> processors older than 96. Preferably with a link to the press or www-site.
TY> The fact that something doesn’t work for a friend can be explained by the crooked hands of this very friend. At the same time, I’m interested in your understanding of the word “Glitch”

You’re sitting behind him, but you haven’t seen such messages! Go to the Internet, and if you haven’t removed the information from the server, then read it! They won't call it MastDai! Why didn't someone call it TR-DOS???

TY> Otherwise, everything you say is called "empty chatter".
TY> P.S. If you're going to criticize, then compare the _existing_ shortcomings, and not
TY> I'm not saying at all that there are no errors _at all_. I'm saying that
TY> you don't know them. and therefore you start to fantasize, sir.
TY> 2AL: Don’t be offended, but I don’t believe that you’ve even seen PPro-2 live.

Yeah, this box! Yes, a person will look at such a thing, and then he’ll start having nightmares
soon the percentage on the PC will occupy the entire body!

[killed]

AM> The fact of the matter is that I respect this car, if only because I
AM> made it myself, repaired it myself, configured it myself. This would be my first computer,
AM> on which I began to program seriously, on which I learned
AM> assembly language. How can I not respect him? But when I hear in this echo phrases like:

AM> - Throw out all your buggy stumps and buy a Z-80!

Well, you’re driving away!!! Well, tell me and everyone, in what format and from whom was such a thing
written?

AM> - Reliability is more valuable than speed!

It was said a little differently: “Speed without glitches is more expensive than speed with glitches!”

AM> - Z-80 was, is and will be better than all the prots, because it is Z-80!

I would also like to know in what format Was there anything like that?

AM> - You'll be driving more quietly!

That's YES, it's really like that on a PC, but not on a Speckie!

AM> - Give me a 32-bit Z-80!

And what's wrong with that?

AM> - Spectrumization of the entire country by the year 2000! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!

Not all strange, but those who really need it!

AM> For some reason this reminds me of the bright communist times, when
AM> our computers won chess tournaments everywhere, were ahead of the planet
AM> in everything and
AM> everywhere. That's exactly what they wrote in the newspapers. And we believed...or wanted to believe.

And now you believe in the coolness of Intel, but don’t consider Specky a computer.

AM> Why not stop engaging in, let’s say, self-satisfaction?

What do you think self-satisfaction is?

Sat 26-Jul-97 14:38, Andrey Khristov (2:5002/14.3) wrote a letter to Oleg
Devjatkin:

OD>> fido on the Spectrum, as I understand it, this is still one of the types of cultural
OD>> perversion...

AK> More like a cult. This is a desire to prove that Spectrum “can do it too.”
AK> no one is against it - yes, it can. Oh, it's better on PC... :-):-):-)

It's especially cool to read such phrases from people with the Unconfigured letter eH ;)

With best wishes, Vladimir.

OD> If the Zilog
OD> company tried to make a pentium-class processor on its own, without using Intel's developments (as
OD> did AMD
OD> and Cyrix), it would be three to four
OD> times larger in area than the original and just as slower.. This is
OD> so, approximately...

Do you even know about the history Zilog?
Intel ended when the author of I8080 left and organized Zilog.
Zilog can do much more than a stump, but it won’t do it - it’s not necessary.

OD> When Intel forced Zilog out of the market, Zilog went into the market
OD> minicontrollers, where it thrives... Each vegetable has its own
OD> bed...

Intel _never_ _displaced_ Zilog from anywhere - in those days the market had not yet
formed and there was no intense competition. They simply had nothing to share.
By the way - despite the fact that Intel and others have made a bunch of single-chips -
Zilog did not go down the drain. Still alive. Does this mean anything?

With best wishes - Andrey Khristov (ha...@robin.alien.ru)

AL> Well, you're driving away!!! Well, tell me and everyone, in what message and from whom
AL> this was written?

Is your hat on fire? ;))

With all sorts of regards and wishes.
Igor.

... When there is nothing to say, they always say bad things.

It’s quiet outside the window, and I’m sitting and writing a response to a letter written from Alex Letaev to Tim
Yunaev Sat Jul 26, 1997 at 07:05...

AL> even, but you have proof: People won’t call a normal system MastDay
AL>! Why didn’t at least someone call it TR-DOS???

In St. Petersburg they call it that. Many users are is-dosa. ;)

[Saturday July 26, 1997] when Andrey Khristov wrote to Oleg Devjatkin, there was a shootout going on. The last cartridge hit the modem, and it issued:

AK> Zilog can do much more than a stump, but it won’t do it - why the
AK> is not necessary.

Very interesting logic, explain it to me? :). Why did Windows come out, although it is much worse than OS/2 in terms of parameters? Because Microsoft has shown what their system can do, we SEE it,
we use it every day.

And no one knows what ZILOG can do. She now makes vacuum cleaners, by the way, and
cooler than Intel.

This is all to say that you can argue forever about the subject, but so far everyone has
Pentagon and Sсorpion - they are good, not super-xxx.

It’s good what works well, and not what will happen soon super-rules.

P.S. I myself don’t like Intel, I have a small percentage of AMD in my pussy, don’t think that I’m defending Intelites. :)

AG>> Nu-Nyu, for your information, if you calculate the probability
AG>> of such a process on a stump, then it will be about 120-150 percent! For
AG>> for one simple reason, probability (percentage) is calculated
AG>> using formulas containing multiplication and division, and so, on the stump,
AG>> an expression like (X*Y)/X-Y has never been zero,
KA> You won’t believe it, but I have this the expression is equal to zero. G8) Stump 150.
Which manufacturer of the potsa?
KA> Best wishes, Konstantin.

With respect,
Alexander.

Sun 00:12 27 Jul 1997 Yurok Merkulov writes to Andrey Khristov:

YM> And no one knows what ZILOG can do.

People sitting in RU.EMBEDDED know very well. Single-chip microcontrollers that compete with PICs.

Best wishes! Michael KLUG

I'll tell you why. Imagine that your dreams have come true. You said
"Windows 95 MUST DIE!!!!!!", and immediately on all the computers in the world there was not a single
copy of Win'95, not a single copy of its source code. Cool, right? And what's left?
Windows NT, OS/2, and other normal operating systems are left. Now
say "TR-DOS MUST DIE!!!!!!" And what will remain this time? A bunch of floppies that cannot be read on any computer, a bunch of utilities that only work with
TR-DOS. And most importantly, there is not a single more or less common disk operating system left for Sinclair. This is not very great anymore, is it?
They don’t say that because there is no alternative to TR-DOS. And it won't. Now IS-DOS has indeed appeared, but what does it load from? :) And there are much more glitches in TR-DOS
than in Win'95, if you count in units of 'glitch per kilobyte of code'.

In a letter dated Saturday July 26, 1997, Vladimir Yudin informed Andrew Mikheyev:

VY> Well, you don’t have to tell me about 20%, since I wrote the emulator myself and
VY> wrote it in such a way that I added a new command only when the next
VY> program required it. So in the beta version that I threw into the echo
VY> the ED prefixes were not implemented. You can ask people how often, she
VY> crashes into DOS screaming an unknown command. In any case, out of the 20 disks with programs on which I tested the emulator, not a single program
VY used this NOP.

Have you tried to compile statistics on the frequency of command usage? Or, for example, determine the execution time of the 'average Z-80 command'? It would be interesting
to see what its actual performance is in commands per second.

Regards, Andrew. Sunday July 27 1997 21:14.

This is done elsewhere, provided that there is a lack of what
is not called self-satisfaction;)

In general, it’s nice to read healthy, polite criticism, at least it is clear
that at the other end of the letter:) there is a person who really respects the people in
this ehe.
AM>>> Best regards, Andrew. Sunday July 20
AM>>> 1997

AL>> What year was BASICROM released, and what a Pen 2 with a bunch of errors! If
AL>> if
AL>> ZILOG, or another normal company released the processor in 1997, then
AL>> there would be no errors in it! But Intel, this... can’t even be called a company!!!

AL>> Well, you're driving away!!! So tell me and everyone, in what message and from whom
AL>> this was written?

The discussion of the topic has clearly gone beyond the scope of the ZX.SPECTRUM echo.
Offtopic.

Andrew

P.S. Try not to get carried away. To discuss processors, there is a
special echo of the SU.HARDW...

AL> This is not the answer to the question I posed! Don't just talk, but
AL> show me!

Okay, I answer. Naturally, these slogans in their pure form, as I cited them, were not written anywhere. I wrote: “...but when I hear phrases like TYPE in this echo...”
It’s “TYPE”, and not exactly the same. You can’t understand everything literally. I
simply summarized in this phrase the general idea of ​​many letters coming here.

With respect, Andrew. Monday July 28 1997 13:44.

IG> In St. Petersburg they call it. Many users are is-dosa. ;)

But this is crazy!

IG> P.S. I tried to scold IBM, if I don’t like it, shut up, you’ll pass for smart, second
IG> Milun, damn it...

Oladyushek! To begin with, we decided to come up here, in the Spectrum echo, with a description of the advantages of our filthy calculators, and compare them with Speckies! If you don’t like it, unsubscribe and go to PC conferences! Moreover, you probably think you’re smarter
than everyone else?

Once upon a time, specifically Saturday July 26, 1997 at 02:38 pm Andrey Khristov
wrote Oleg Devjatkin:

AK> Intel _never_ _has_ _displaced_ Zilog from nowhere - in those days the market
AK> was not yet developed and there was no intense competition. They simply had nothing
AK> to share. By the way - despite the fact that Intel and others have made a bunch of single-crystal chips - Zilog did not go down the drain. Still alive. Does this
AK> mean something?

Oh... what single-chips Zilog has... just lovely. And the assembler of the Z80 is simply wonderful. Damn, it took me a long time to get used to writing MOV instead of LD :(

zx format 2 (cracked) just falls out :(

Writes (RS=7E92):
Unknown Code : FD 6F FD C6 D9 DD 6F D6 D6 DD

And what did the formatters want to say with this :))

With warm regards, Glory!

Link, please. I asked. I hope not www.microsoft.com
Once again - I'm not saying that they don't exist, I'm sure you don't you know about those that exist
and therefore you are just talking in vain.

AL> and if you haven’t removed the information from the server, then read it! It’s impossible to even list the glitches of Windows
AL>

Oh well?

AL> but you have proof: People won’t call the normal system MastDay
AL>!

:)))))))))
Amazing proof!!!!!!!!

AL> Why didn’t at least someone call TR-DOS that???

Listen, I’m already tired of this. I specifically quoted the entire paragraph with the request
why are you still telling everyone about glitches that you yourself haven’t seen or
heard, and provide kindergarten proof of what people
call it.

27 Jul 97 20:39, Andrew Mikheyev reported to Alex Letaev about {SuperSpectrum... Is it needed?}:

TY>>> everything you say is called “empty chatter”.

Warm greetings, Slava!

friend, to someone else's monastery, with your own....... we are all people, and we all have
the weakness to dream... some dreams become reality, some do not, but this
doesn't give anyone the right to yell 'what are you dreaming about bullshit! Better dream that on PC
games won't slow down ' :-E~ how I hate it.

AM> Okay, I answer. Naturally, these slogans in their pure form, as I cited them
AM>, were not written anywhere
AM>. I wrote: “...but when I hear in this echo phrases
AM> TYPE...”
AM> Exactly “TYPE”, and not exactly the same. You can’t understand everything
AM> literally. I
AM> simply summarized in this phrase the general idea of ​​​​many letters coming here.

Every person is capable of understanding any phrases to the extent of his
depravity. Not everyone was able to understand what was written like that, but you did it!!!
:-))))

Gee. :))))))))) Am I already canonized?

P.S. Before scolding something, I _always_ check it ten times.

Good luck! Evgeny.

Saturday July 26, 1997, Andrey Khristov spoke to Oleg Devjatkin:

AK> Are you generally aware of the history of Zilog?

We will discuss this in netmail, the topic began to drift away from the topic
echoconference....

With respect Oleg

╔═ Quote from the classic ════════════════════════ ═══════════════════
║ Laugh at yourself - don’t be afraid, self-criticism is as necessary as it is necessary to wash your face. M. Gorky

Sunday July 27 1997, Alexander Glebov spoke to Oleg Devjatkin:

OD>> Hmmm... As always - “ms is shit, their software is rubbish, Intel is even bigger
AG> Well, you bent, I’ll die, but I won’t give myself the Intel percentage _ONLY_ AMD,

The discussion, as a potential off-topic, was smoothly folded into netmail (from my
side)...

With respect, Oleg

╔═ Quote from the classic ════════════════════════ ═══════════════════
║ To understand a person, you need to be able to put yourself in his position,
║ you need to feel his grief and joy D. I. Pisarev

AL>> What year was BASIC POM released, and what was Pen 2 with a bunch of errors! If
AL>> if
AL>> ZILOG, or another normal company released the computer in 1997, then
AL>> there would be no errors in it! But Intel, this... can’t even be called a company!!!
SK> Well, yes, of course :))))) Well, there you go! What do you think of ZILOG as a “normal
SK> company” (something that is not visible)
SK> And why is INTEL not a company?
AL> Because, unlike others, it did not learn to make normal
AL> processors even in 1997!
Isn’t this because of its simplicity compared to the Z80?

This after all, it’s not the same thing... There are analogues of the Z80 in Russia, but I
haven’t heard about analogues of stumps...

And having left you for my place, I wish you success!

MM> People sitting in RU.EMBEDDED know it very well. Single-chip
MM> microcontrollers that compete with PICs.

Very good single-chips, by the way.

P.S. Does anyone have an emulator, cross assembler, or debugger for the Z80? Explanation -
_not_ for the Spectrum, namely for the Z80?

OD> Hmmm... Is Zilog still producing the z80? And where did they go,
repaired a bunch of Panas fax machines (110V at 220), so they have a nice z80
at 8 MHz in a square case
--
there is a long-standing dream of making a super-mini Spectrum on “yellow” microphones and such
process
the board could be from two soldered on the sides

Sasha [Team OS/2] [Team EDSMO]

Wed 19:24 30 Jul 1997 Tim Yunaev writes to Michael Markowsky:

TY> P.S. Does anyone have an emulator, cross-assembler, debugger for the Z80?
TY> Explanation - _not_ for the Spectrum, namely for the Z80?

-
- Z80/8080 Emulators/Debuggers
-
AVSIMZ80.ZIP 81896 09.14.95 [004] Avocet Z80+PIO+CTC Emulator/Debugger 1.32
AVSIM85.ARJ 197773 02/10/91 [002] Avocet 8085 Emulator/Assembler/Linker
S80.ZIP 58357 08/01/96 [004] Z80 Emulator/Debugger, 2500 A.D.Software
Z80M.ZIP 61551 01/27/95 [006] Z80 Emulator/Debugger
IDEBUG.ZIP 95999 08/01/96 [004] 8080-Emulator (TurboVision interface)
ZD.ZIP 84710 08/01/95 [003] Z80 Emulator/Debugger/DisAssembler
ISIS.ZIP 77459 08/02/95 [003] 8080/8085 simulator
-
- Z80/8080 Cross-Assemblers
-
XZ80.ZIP 135565 09/14/95 [007] Z80 Cross-Assembler (Cross-M80,L80,LIB80)
by Leo Sandy
XLINK.ZIP 27284 05/28/95 [006] Cross-Linker for .REL-files (like L80)
XASMZ80.ZIP 19527 08/02/95 [005] Avocet Z80 Cross-Assembler
AVMACZ80.ZIP 131344 09/14/95 [004] Avocet Z80 Cross-MacroAssembler
A80Z.ZIP 48394 09/14/95 [006] PseudoSam Z80 Cross-Assembler 1.3
A85.ZIP 53666 08/02/95 [005] PseudoSam 8085 Cross-Assembler
MA80LINK.ARJ 51000 10/01/96 [001] Z80 Cross-assembler and linker from
Andrew MOA 2:5030/25.1
MA80V200.ARJ 65449 05/18/97 [000] Ma-80 v2.0Demo alpha Z80 Macro Assembler
ZASM1.ZIP 744604 03/13/96 [002] Z8/Z80/Z180/Z8000 Cross-Assemblers
Z80.ZIP 43570 01/09/95 [010] Z80 Cross-Assembler, two-pass,
Unix syntax AS
AZ80.ZIP 41717 08/02/95 [005] Micro Series Z80 Cross-Assembler 1.15
ASM_Z80.ZIP 93235 01/18/97 [000] Assembler 128 for Z80 (cross-version
of the Spectrum GENS4) by 2:5030/461.12
X8085.ZIP 172432 08/02/95 [003] 8085 Cross-Assembler/Linker by
2500_A.D.Software
XASM85.ZIP 50939 08/02/95 [001] Avocet 8085 Cross-Assembler
A80.ZIP 19035 09/13/95 [008] 8080/8085/Z80 Cross-Assembler by /237
I2Z.ZIP 13932 05.28.95 [007] Converter of mnemonics i8080 to Z80 (with
source)
-
- CP/M Emulators/Debuggers
-
Z80MU21.ZIP 108774 01.08.96 [004] Z80MU V2.10 - CP/M-Z80 Emulator/Debugger
Z80MU310.ZIP 48416 04/22/95 [002] Z80MU V3.10 - CP/M-Z80 Emulator/Debugger
Z80MU52B.ARJ 90125 10/08/93 [007] Z80MU V5.2B - CP/M-Z80 Emulator/Debugger
MYZ80103.ZIP 71816 09/30/95 [000] CP/M-8080/Z80/Z180/64180 Emulator v1.03
MYZ80111.ZIP 94276 05/16/93 [001] CP/M-8080/Z80/Z180/64180 Emulatorv1.11
ZSIM12.ZIP 249453 01.08.95 [002] CP/M-Z80 Emulator w/src v1.2
ZSIM20.ZIP 314655 30.09.95 [001] CP/M-Z80 Emulator w/src v2.0
ZSIM22.ZIP 376241 15.06.93 [001] CP/M-Z80 Emulator w/src v2.2
ZSIM241.ZIP 357364 07.04.97 [000] CP/M-Z80 Emulator w/src v2.41
ZRUN321.ZIP 28042 30.09.95 [002] CP/M-Z80 Emulator
EMUL80.ZIP 15692 13.10.93 [001] Three CP/M-8080 emulators
CPEM8010.ZIP 208191 26.02.95 [002] CP/M-Z80 Emulator for DOS & OS/2 (with GNU
C src)
ZCPMEMUL.ZIP 9346 11.09.95 [002] CP/M-Z80 Emulator
V2080J88.ZIP 20866 15.03.95 [000] NEC V20/V30 CP/M Emulator
V20BOOT.ZIP 79208 19.05.94 [001] NEC V20 CP/M Emulator (with PAS src)

Best wishes! Michael KLUG

AM>>>> car with a probability of crashing into a wall 0.00000...000001
AM>>>> percent,
AG>>> Nu-Nu, for your information, if you calculate the probability
AG>>> of such a process on a stump, it will be approximately 120-150 percent! For
AG>>> for one simple reason, the probability (percentage) is calculated
AG>>> using formulas containing multiplication and division, and so, on the stump,
AG>>> an expression like (X*Y)/X-Y has never been zero,
KA>> You won’t believe it, but I have this expression is equal to zero. G8) Stump 150.

AL>>> What year was BASIC POM released, and what a Pen 2 with a bunch of errors! If
AL>>> if
AL>>> ZILOG, or another normal company released the computer in 1997, then
AL>>> there would be no errors in it! But Intel, this... can’t even be called a company!!!
SK>> Well, yes, of course :))))) Well, there you go! What do you think of ZILOG as a “normal
SK>> company” (something that is not visible)
SK>> And why is INTEL not a company?
AL>> Because, unlike others, it has not learned to make normal
AL>> processors even in 1997!

29 Jul 97 10:27, Oleg Devjatkin wrote to Vyacheslav Mednonogov:

OD> In addition, no one paid attention to such an interesting
OD> question - using BIOS firmware from
OD> ZX_SPECTRUM in their homemade products, everyone who produces computers violates
OD> in the most malicious way copyright Sir Clive :-)

Copyright Sir Clive

Yours sincerely
┬ ┬┌┐┬┐ ┐┬┬
╨╜╨╙╜╨╙ ╨ ╨

OD> are they positioned in microcontrollers? And the ZX-SPECTRUM computer (or other
OD> computers on the Z80 processor) are being released at the present time? And by whom? Russian
OD> hackers?

Looks like they are in our caller ID phones Rus...

.·∙.⌠∙·.
: ; :
`+scoric+'
╘════╛

Nobody violates Sir Clive's copyright! :)
In 1986, he
sold all rights to Spectrum compatible computers to Amstrad. And God himself ordered to violate the rights of Amstrad! To think only in 1987 a car could appear:
Z80H, 7MHz, 128K Ram, 50K Video Ram - 256x192x64, 200 pounds.
And this @#%^$%#&^ Amstrad, afraid of competition for the Amiga
(quite rightly, by the way :)), did not give permission for
development. :((( But we could be sitting right now on such Spectrum
compatible machines... It’s a pity! :( After all, then maybe the Z80
would have stepped beyond 8 bits and would have had a real future.

Sincerely
┬ ┬┌┐┬┐ ┐┬┬
╨ґ╨╙ґ╨╙ ╨ ╨

Why do you need it for the Z-80? What don't you like about spec? This is like object-oriented programming - the "Spec Emulator" object inherits all the
properties of the "Z-80 Emulator" object :)

Regards, Andrew. Thursday July 31 1997 12:05.

AM> Maybe I’m behind the times, but what are the analogues? Why are they riveting the Z-80 at our
AM> factories?!?!?!

Yes, they’ve been riveting for seven years now.

Best wishes! Michael KLUG

AM> Why do you need it specifically for the Z-80.

There are quite a lot of devices, incl. and those developed by us, which
are made on the Z80, but have completely different RAM, ROM and peripherals. Example - AOH.

AM> What don't you like about spec? It's like object-oriented
AM> programming - the "Spec Emulator" object inherits all
AM> properties of the "Z-80 Emulator" object :)

Not all. For example, there is no timer.

MM> Yes, they’ve been riveting for about seven years now.

To catch up - our Z80 analogues: 1858BM1, 1858BM3, T34BM1, KM1582BM2 (in the latter
I’m not sure of the correct designation).

Best wishes! Michael KLUG

VY> Sir Clive's copyright is not violated! :)
VY> In 1986, he
VY> sold all rights to Spectrum compatible computers to Amstrad. And God himself
VY> ordered to violate the rights of Amstrad!

As far as I remember, the rums are freeware.

With best wishes, Vladimir.

So this is cool! What is the clock frequency?

Regards, Andrew. Friday August 01 1997 22:46.

VY> God commanded! To think only in 1987 a car could appear:
VY> Z80H, 7MHz, 128K Ram, 50K Video Ram - 256x192x64, 200 pounds.
VY> And this @#%^$%#&^ Amstrad, afraid of competition for the Amiga
VY> (quite rightly, by the way :)), did not give permission for
VY> development. :((( But we could be sitting right now on such Spectrum
VY> compatible machines... It’s a pity! :( After all, maybe the Z80
VY> would have stepped beyond 8 bits and would have had a real future.

It’s unlikely that it would have stepped anywhere. ZILOG was terribly afraid when, over the course of
several years, its processors used the same popular, like Intel's, but she did nothing. And at that time Intel did not stand still... And if ZILOG did not release at least a 16-bit processor somewhere in 1984-85, then there was nothing to wait for in 1986.

With respect, Andrew. 1997 11:32.

VY> Nobody violates Sir Clive's copyright! :)
VY> In 1986, he
VY> sold all rights to Spectrum compatible computers to Amstrad. And God himself
VY> ordered to violate the rights of Amstrad! To think only in 1987 a car could appear:
VY> Z80H, 7MHz, 128K Ram, 50K Video Ram - 256x192x64, 200 pounds.
VY> And this @#%^$%#&^ Amstrad, afraid of competition for the Amiga
VY> (quite rightly, by the way :)), did not give permission for

VM>> In which grave are there losses of 8080, 8085, cr580, even 8088? Unlike the Zx80

OD> Hmmm... So, does Zilog still produce the z80? And where do they position it, in
OD> microcontrollers? And the ZX-SPECTRUM computer (or others on the
OD> Z80 processor) are being released at the present time? And by whom? Russian
OD> hackers?

I wanted to say that with us the z80 and its modifications have somehow taken root
more than everything else (both Spectrums and Aons...)

Warm greetings, Slava!

VY> development. :(((

Or maybe, having just poured a lot of money into the new Spectrum, Amstrad simply
wouldn’t have gotten the expected result? Who knows.... If some project
had brought significant benefits, Amstrad would have sooner canceled the project
that would have been a loser.. Logical?

VY> But we could be sitting right now on such Spectrum compatible machines... It’s a pity!
VY> :( After all, then maybe the Z80 would have stepped beyond 8 bits and it would have had a real
VY> future.

Who knows.... But now it’s irrelevant, the train has left...

With respect Oleg

╔═ Quote from the classic ════════════════════════ ═══════════════════
║ I lived as a bachelor for a long time, and my life was pretty empty,
║ although I had one trifle: freedom of smell, color and taste.

AL> Pancakes! To begin with, they evaporated here, in the Spectrum echo, to climb with
AL> a description of the advantages of their filthy calculators, and compare them with
AL> speckies!
AL> If you don’t like it, unsubscribe, and go to PC conferences! Moreover, you probably
AL> consider yourself smarter than everyone else?

So we’ve already run into cars, soon we’ll start hitting people :(
And comparing offtopic, piss and speckies is the same as comparing a bus, a trolleybus and a tram with each other.

2AL: Play MDK on your super car and everything will work out (if you can)
:)))))))

With Best Regards, Felix. [Team AMD In$ide]

Friday August 01 1997 22:35.

AL>>> Because, unlike others, I didn’t learn how to make normal
AL>>> processors even in 1997!
NA>> Isn’t this because of the simplicity compared to the Z80?

AM> So this is cool! What is the clock frequency?

I don’t have reference data.

Best wishes! Michael KLUG

VY>> he sold to Amstrad. And God himself ordered Amstrad to violate the rights of the company
VY>> Amstrad!

VL> As far as I remember, rums were freeware.

At that time there was no such division. All ROMs are subject to payment and copyrights,
by law, belong to AMSTRAD.

On the other hand, they will not bother with them until our Russian Spectrum
makes noise in the world. By the way, the mafon version 128+ is still produced (!!!).

Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov

01 Aug 97 09:52, Andrew Mikheyev reported to Tim Yunaev about {SuperSpectrum... Is it needed?}:

TY>> P.S. Does anyone have an emulator, cross assembler, or debugger for the Z80?
AM> Why do you need it for the Z-80? What don't you like about spec? It's like
AM> object-oriented programming - the "Spec Emulator"
AM> object inherits all the properties of the "Z-80 Emulator" object :)

Not aesthetically pleasing, probably :)) Especially if mixed data gets into the
screen and changes its values there irregularly :))

C Warm greetings, Slava!

AK>> Sorry, but what kind of competition can the eight-bit Z80H
AK>> thirty-two-bit MC68000 have? If anyone could compete, then
AK>> SinclairQL.

VY> Competition is not only the size of the processor bus, but also: price,
VY> popularity, availability of software, compatibility, etc.

Yeah, I could compete for two years :)))

MM> I have no reference data.

MM> Best wishes! Michael KLUG
MM> ---
MM> + Origin: KLUG's BBS ■ Freq: 1:00-5:30 ■ USR Courier V.Evr (2:5020/378)

Sincerely, Andrey (AKA Mad Coder/ILW)

Friday August 01 1997, Andrew Mikheyev spoke to Vladimir Yudin:

VY>> compatible machines... Sorry! :( After all, then maybe the Z80
VY>> would have stepped beyond 8 bits and it would have had a real future.
AM> It’s unlikely that it would have stepped anywhere. ZILOG was terribly alarmed when
AM> for several years its processors enjoyed the same
AM> popularity as Intel’s, but it didn’t do anything did. lucky... The era of
16-bit has arrived...

AM> time Intel did not stand still... And if ZILOG did not release at least
AM> a 16-bit processor somewhere in 1984-85, then there was nothing to wait for in 1986
AM>.

And it was released in those years (z8000) :-) Sir Clive seemed to be even planning to do
something new on it, but....

With respect Oleg

╔═ Quote from the classic ════════════════════════ ═══════════════════
║ He who does not go forward goes back: there is no standing position. V. G. Belinsky

VM> I wanted to say that we have the z80 and its modifications somehow more
VM> have taken root than everything else (both Spectrums and Aons...)

That's for sure :-) The historical fact that a lot of
z80 processors were imported into the country is still visible :-) By the way, no one answered - z80s are still being churned out or are they all old stocks? And now they make aons on single-crystal chips
:-)

Regards Oleg

╔═ Quote from the classic ════════════════════════ ═══════════════════
║ We remain beginners in many ways, regardless of age, and we often lack experience, despite the number of years we have lived. F. La Rochefoucauld

KA>>> 150.
AG>> What manufacturer of the pots?
ML> ^^^^ is this just a typo or hitting a stump?
Typo, sometimes they fly by for me, sometimes I write a little late (by the time of day, more precisely
night).
And all that was above was hitting a stump;)

With respect,
Alexander.

OD> are they positioned in microcontrollers? And the ZX-SPECTRUM computer (or others

OD> So, the Z80 is now in the same place as the 8080, 8085, 8088..

So, Zilog still produces the Z80. Moreover, the family of its peripherals
is also replenished. And the processor itself has gotten as far as I remember, either up to
24, or up to 40 MHz. Plus, there is a 64180, which is not much different from the prototype (this is a processor with integrated peripherals and a simple memory controller) - and there are consumers for it. Uniden. Will you find out
details about the company? However, 8085 is not completely dead yet...

with respect Vladislav

P.S. This is, of course, off-topic But it’s your own fault, you provoked it...

by the way, she could have kicked the pussies out of the house
after all, unlike the Amiga, the z80 is still closer in command to 8088 than 68000
distilling programs for such a spectrum was not very dreary

Sasha [Team OS/2] [Team EDSMO]

FA> 2AL: Play MDK on your super machine and everything will pass (if you can)
FA> :))))))))

That's it. You will become a good boy, you will not spit out the pacifier...

With best wishes, John.

===> #/FUCK/# *mUlTiMeDiA*, #/MAKE/# more $dEmOs$ ===>

VY>> also: price, popularity, availability of software, compatibility and
VY>> etc.

AK> Yeah, I would have been competing for two years :)))

And then you look and they would release a new model! :)
Sincerely
┬ ┬┌┐┬┐ ┐┬┬
╨╜╨╙╜╨╙ ╨ ╨

Yeah, then the offtopic is all the more not a competitor to Sinclair, compare how many A. in our
country and how many Specs...

[skipped]

Have a nice connection.
Roman.

05 Aug 97, already 19:33

Mon Jul 28 1997, Tim Yunaev concocted a letter to Andrey Khristov:

TY> Oh... what single-crystal chips Zilog has... just lovely. And the assembler of the Z80
TY> is simply wonderful. Damn, it took me a long time to get used to writing instead of LD - MOV
TY> :(

ld equ mov ;)

With best wishes, Michael.

And he stepped beyond 8 bits... yesterday, for example, I looked at the catalog of the ZILOG company:
Z80, Z280, Z380 (this is not a joke, but 8,16 and 32 bits), there is even an option with built-in
CMOS and timer! I'm not talking about all sorts of bells and whistles like a DMA controller!!!
But... alas.

Best wishes, Alexey Potehin