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Hello Vladimir !

Wednesday March 05 1997 02:55, Vladimir Larkov ─── Evgeny Milun:

VL> [...]

EM>>>> the interrupt handler of the 1st kind conflicts there

VL> I’ll tell you too - read the review less. And if you can’t help but read -
VL> ignore more. Then maybe you'll stop calling IM1
VL> "interruptions of the first kind".
Well, call it something else. ;) "First mode interruptions"? "First mode
interrupts" ? Oh, isn't this the same thing? And "IM1" is generally a command. ;)
If I haven't forgotten anything. ;))
What do you think, I take the Review seriously???

Good luck! Evgeny.

Hello Dmitry !

Wednesday March 05 1997 21:43, Dmitry Grigoryev ─── Evgeny Milun:

DG> [missed...]

EM>>>> I would send you to the shadow monitor of Scorpio,
DG>>> So go away... And tell us what STS is bad.
EM>> Which one do you like?
DG> Why is it bad in principle, regarding the shadow monitor.
I ask again: which version of STS compares to which version of the monitor?
STS below 4.x click #FD, 4.x - as far as I remember, they do not work quite correctly with register R. I’m not talking about such a thing as occupied memory.
I can’t say much about the monitor either. My 2.3j (already quite ancient) lags behind STS in only one way - it cannot show “cartoons” during step-by-step tracing.
And I repeat once again - I use both (the monitor) and the other (STS, but only our version).

DG> [missed...]
EM>> it does not work everywhere where more complete decryption is used
EM>> #7FFD.)

DG> All the others have a button :) And in general, calling the program because of
DG> this is buggy...
So, my friend, the button can be done on Scorpa too in half an hour.

EM>>>>>> - CAPTAIN BLOOD (not OLDMAN's version) - a piece was completely ripped out
EM>>>> Broken, but not that much. You have already taken the bat and again“finished off.”
DG>>> As if Matveev wouldn’t hear this... You’ll have to apologize again... You can
EM>> I’m afraid now it’s your turn to apologize.
DG> It’s unlikely...
Oh, well, of course. It’s not proper for the great golden-headed one to bow down in front of some kind of samara.

DG>>> show the “unfinished” Laptev version of Fornication?
EM>> I can. I have a version where the
EM>> state recording block is present (and not completely torn out), although it is buggy. [.....]
DG> Take the COMPARE program and compare these versions byte by byte. Give the difference
DG> here - at least a few bytes where something was worn out, then everything will be clear.
DG> Let me remind you that we are talking about the _Laptev_ version, which looks the same as in the SPF.
I don’t understand what you are trying to achieve all the time. To listen to you, I must
record and report every step I take to you. Aren't you tired of it?
I repeat once again: I have a _NOT_FULL_FINISH_ version. Whose is she, I haven’t
looked.

EM>>>> Believe me, I know what I’m talking about - I, too, once tried
EM>>>> to “cure” her.
[.....]
DG> What else could a “real highly qualified hacker”,
DG> author of an “alternative to Spectrophone Magazine” have to do, besides restoration all
DG> programs included in the annex to the SPF?
DG>^^^^2SN - that's what he meant by
DG> with a capital letter Z - look at the 1st issue...
Yes, the case is clinical. If you are still trying to insult me, then...
(in general, you understand who you are).
Well, well, Mr. Righteous.

DG> [missed...]

EM>> don’t count on it). I repeat once again: there was a conflict between type 1 interruptions and the music processor. All the “treatment” boiled down to transferring
EM>> the computer to pseudo-48 mode.
DG> This is where you showed your professionalism and high qualifications.
And you, once again, show your ambition. Okay, “grandfather,” I won’t argue with you about that either - arguing with a person who always covers his ears and tries to insult his interlocutor is useless.
Take our REBEL STAR, SPF’s, and check it “bit by bit.”

DG> [missed...]
EM>> It’s not his fault, Your Highness. May I ask your
EM>> greatest mercy - read in this echo again everything that
EM>> relates to Virus.

DG> I read it. In short: you - “there are glitches in the Virus game”, to you - “so what? Your
DG> suggestions”, you - “there are TERRIBLE GLITCHES in the VIRUS GAME”, to you - “SO WHAT?”, you -
DG> ... What's next? Nobody argued that there are glitches. What kind of actions were you expecting from the SPF in connection with this?can you explain? What should he
DG> do when he learned about these glitches from your letter? Proposals to cancel the
DG> championship, return the prizes, go and punch the author in the face, etc. not
DG> are suitable, as you probably understand...
I would have told you. Yes, I'm afraid it will be complete uncensorship.

EM>>>> Or do you think that they have already disappeared?
DG>>> Why didn’t you eliminate them? ;)
EM>> But because then you, Your Majesty, will be very dissatisfied
EM>> with the fact that I have encroached “on a domestic game of this class.”
DG> No, because all your “professionalism” as hackers does not go beyond
DG> transferring the program to the 48th mode. :-I When it comes to serious work
DG> - then you immediately have other things to do.
Really? You.... If you don't calm down... It's better to tell me what you yourself did besides BLOOD and some kind of racing.

EM>>>> And they should be _FREE_. Or for a purely symbolic fee.
DG>>> Are you an idealist? How do you even imagine this?
EM>> Just like at IBM.
DG> At IBM, discs with old broken games are also not given out for free on every corner.
DG>. If you mean receiving programs without media
DG> - over the network, then I repeat the question. By the way, on Moscow bibieski
DG> is lying around full of what is sold on the market.
I repeat once again: so, for the sake of interest, talk to your friends who buy _BRANDED_ IBM's programs.

EM>> have been changed." (In general, SN and I seem to have come to an understanding,
EM>> though for now small.)
DG> You want to say, I’m the only one left :-))
That’s exactly what I’m saying.

Good luck Evgeny.

EM> And you, once again, show your ambition. Okay, “grandfather,” I won’t talk about that either
^^^^^^^
EM> arguing with you - arguing with a person who all the time covers
EM> his own ears and tries to insult his interlocutor is useless.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
B-)

[smth was devastated...]

DG>> should he have acted after learning about these glitches from your letter?
DG>> Proposals to cancel the championship, return the prizes, go and punch
DG>> the author’s face, etc. they don’t fit, as you probably understand...

EM> I would have told you. Yes, I’m afraid it will be complete uncensorship.

I also spoke out against “square abuse” in the Virus.

SN> 2Moderator&Comoderators: Sorry. So I’m trying to answer briefly and only to
SN> the most important questions.

Answer with soap, since _any correspondence_ in the style of “the fool himself” is permanent
offtopic.

Andrew
Affects everyone.

Hi, Sergei!!!

In a message of 12 Mar 97 Sergei Novikov write to Evgeny Milun:

SN> a few words. If you don’t know his works, it would be better to remain silent. And it’s not a matter of
SN> quantity: it’s unlikely that at least one version of SoK can boast of such
SN> improvements as we see in OUTRUN EUROPA, BARBARIAN COLLECTION, etc.

They shouldn’t have refined them “that way”! Games need to be diskette
according to the “proprietary” format, i.e. fix brand errors, make
maximum compatibility and !nothing! don't add your own!!!! IMHO!

CUL8ER! Max Iwamoto/CBS...

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MI> It was in vain that they completed them “like that”! Games need to be diskette
MI> according to the “proprietary” format, i.e. fix proprietary errors, make
MI> maximum compatibility and! nothing! Don’t add your own!!!! IMHO!

I agree with you a ton percent!!!

Good Luck...

... My other computer is another Amiga.

SN>> others

MI> They shouldn’t have worked on them “that way”!

Who are they? This is all my initiative... And the music of KSA :)

MI> Games need to be disketted according to the “proprietary” format, i.e. fix proprietary
MI> errors, make maximum compatibility and! nothing! don't add your own!!!! IMHO!

You see, Max, well, I restored OUTRUN, added the track - so why not add the 128th mode, AY FX, a little bit of graphics, music? After all, I still got the hang of the structure of the game... Not a masterpiece, but did anyone find it worse than the proprietary version? Or did someone manage to do better? How would you diskette
Captain Fornication? Also one download? Why not finish for the authors what they themselves did not think of? After all, time passes, criteria change... In any case, I have never heard from anyone that I made a version of the game _worse_ than the original, which, however, can be viewed by loading the game in 48
mode (naturally, it is still glitched there). I
always left the 48th original mode untouched, and all the 128th ones are already my perversions; whoever doesn’t want
may not use it ;) Can you give many examples of how they did this, that is,
they played without my “additions”? And I have more than a hundred _simply_ (well, with cheats, of course) :) Less than you, of course, but you didn’t spendtime
to “adding your own” ;-) By the way, how then should we perceive SHADOW DANCER and
LEMMINGS 128 (by RST7, of course, but you’re the organizer there)? In my opinion, sooner or
later, any hacker begins to add something of his own to a hack - accumulated experience takes its toll, although you can call it a crisis of the genre... Or a transition from the "hack" level to the "remix" level... when the intro takes much less time
and feelings than restoration.

MI> CUL8ER! Max
MI> Iwamoto/CBS...

Sincerely, Dmitry (OLDMAN).

Imho, if after such an addition the game becomes better, then this is already a good deed
and can only be supported. But if in the form of a remix the game becomes glitchy
and/or crooked - then you are right.

DG> You see, Max, I restored OUTRUN, added the route - so why
DG> not also add the 128th mode, AY FX, a little bit of graphics, music?
DG> After all, I still got into the structure of the game... Not a masterpiece, but what -
DG> someone thought it was worse than the branded version?

A masterpiece, and what a masterpiece. True, the second level of the game itself didn’t work well by changing it - but
that’s the authors’ fault.

DG> Or did someone manage to do it better? How would you diskette
DG> Captain Blud? Also one download? Why not finish for the authors
DG> what they themselves didn’t think of?

Or they simply didn’t want to do it. After all, it’s one thing to want it, and another thing to waste a day on normal service, which will not bring additional profits in the future. So we see in most programs a boring monotonous menu with five
points for selecting controls. And it’s not even a matter of saving memory - buyers
at that time bought a _game_, not a game + a beautiful menu. Although already in the late eighties and early nineties they began to pay attention to design (Golden Ax,
WWF). And inserting cool menus/music and, finally, making the game look nice is not at alla misdemeanor, but a deed worthy of praise ;) [Marasm? :) ]

[smth was devastated...]

DG> spent time “adding his own” ;-) By the way, how then should we perceive
DG> SHADOW DANCER and LEMMINGS 128

+ WWF + NARC + DOUBLE DRAGON 3 + CISCO HEAT + ROBOCOP 3 (?)

Hasta la vista, Dmitry.

DG> they didn’t think of it themselves?

It’s not for you to decide what they thought of and what they didn’t! I've always
wanted to collect a complete collection of branded games, and !without!
any extra extras. And now, in order to simply put your
version on my server, I will need to make my own disk version...

DG> After all, time goes by, the criteria change... In
DG> any
DG> case, I have not heard from anyone that I made a version of the game
DG> _worse_ than the original was, which, however, can be viewed by downloading
DG> the game in the 48th
DG> mode (of course, it is still disabled there). I always left the 48th original
DG> mode untouched, and all the 128th ones are already my
DG> perversions, whoever doesn’t want to
DG> need not use it ;) Can you give many examples of how
DG> did it, then
DG> is, played without my “additions”? And I have more than a hundred discanted ones _just_ (well, with cheats,
DG> of course) :) Less than you have, of course, but you didn't
DG> waste time
DG> on “adding your own” ;-) By the way, how then should we perceive SHADOW
DG> DANCER and

And Shadow Dancer should be perceived as a version restored from
full of firewood! After all, I didn’t start adding rounds to it,
although during recovery I had to dolevel editor!
And when (6 months ago) I received a branded cassette with
Shadow Dancer, in my version only 2 enemies were not in their
places!

DG> LEMMINGS 128 (by RST7, of course, but you’re the organizer there)? In my opinion,
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Word Rst7: And there, except for the death-packed levels |
everything looks exactly the same. Well, we won’t consider a complete reworking of the work with graphics |
on 2 screens and speeding up the lemmings by 3 times as an improvement |
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!____ THIS WAS DONE IN THE APARTMENT OF THE UNKNOWN KANO/MKHG/RPSG 740
KILOMETERS FROM KHARKOV!!!!!!!

DG> sooner or
DG> later, any hacker begins to add something of his own to the hack - the accumulated experience affects
DG>, although one can call it a crisis of the genre... Or
DG> the transition from the “hack” level to the “remix” level... when the intro takes
DG> much less time
DG> and feelings than restoration.

Quite the opposite!

CUL8ER! Max Iwamoto &Rst7/CBS...

In a message dated 24 Mar 97 you wrote to Max Iwamoto :

DG> You see, Max, I restored OUTRUN, added the route - so why not
DG> also add the 128th mode, AY FX, a little graphics, music? After all,
DG> still got the hang of the structure of the game... Not a masterpiece, but did someone find
DG> worse than the branded version? Or did someone manage to make
DG> better?

I haven’t seen the branded version, nor have I seen other versions, but I can note the drawback of your
version - it’s very slow loading. It's better without Mouzon, but quickly.

WBR, Sergey Egorov.

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