Sprinter ( 2Max Romanoff)
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May you have eighty-three bags of hryvnias, Andrew!
Somehow a long time ago, specifically Sunday January 25, 1998 at 06:44 pm Andrew
Savichev wrote All:
>> Let's agree that a sprinter does not have even part of the capabilities of a 'normal'
>> today the comper for 500$'.
AS> Nobody argues with this. But this is what it gives you for your $165
AS> capabilities of a normal _Spectrum_ for today and MORE than
AS> an emulsion can give you - try to challenge THIS.
And who needs the “more” that it gives?
A programmer? He can find even more on other platforms for the same price.
User? There is nothing to compare here at all.
>> stump-100 with money, with brains, etc. :))))
AS> Yes, that’s right, only the 100th has already “been put into circulation” ;)
So what? Do you need a computer for work or “to show people”?
AS> And don’t forget that the Sprinter is a unique thing, at best
AS> it will be replicated in 2,000 copies, and not in 100 million, like a stump.
And only because of this will they buy it???
Well, they will buy one copy - for the museum of computer technology. And that's all.
AS> So we should be happy about this! download the software for stumps over the network,
And you download the software for XT or 286. It will still have more capabilities, and
the dimensions are almost the same.
AS> and then try forSpectrum...
You would compare not only the volumes and resource requirements (in which you agree with
AL), but also the capabilities of this software compared, say, with its previous
version, or with a similar one on Spectrum. It would be more correct.
>> Also, you would lose this amount in one go - by buying this miracle.
AS> Yeah, if all Scorpios suddenly depreciate in value. ;)
Why?
AS> Let this not happen! You buy it for $165, and in a year it will not fall below $145!
I can’t understand one thing - do you buy computers like stocks? That is, they lie at home
in the corner, new ones are bought, old ones are sold, and you consider which one to buy in order to
lose less?
Then there is the best option - not to buy any computers at all. And if you invest money in shares, you can also earn money.
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AS> No, Peters has normal prices, they also sell stumps nearby, and they know “what
AS> how much” as well as you and I. But take a look at their board,
AS> estimate how much everything that costs there costs and it will become clear that $95 for
AS> such a board is a normal and even very normal price! (if you especially
AS> take into account their circulation)
If this board cost no more than $10, it would still have a chance.
With respect, Tim. [Team Aries - Rulez Forever]
AS> Yes, that’s right, only the 100th one has already “got into circulation” ;)
Sorry, most software works starting from 386, and most
have requirements, well, from stump 60. Yes, this is just an example of investing
money. The power is there, the software is there. What else do you need?
AS> And don’t forget that the Sprinter is a unique thing, in the best case scenario
AS> it will be printed in 2,000 copies, and not in 100 million, like a stump.
Unique is 2-3 pieces assembled on wires.
AS> You can compare Zhigul with Rolls-Royce? mass stamped product with
AS> manual assembly. Therefore, compare Sprinter with Scorpio, Pentagon
AS>, etc.
I doubt that there will be so many sprinters... It will be the same
monster as ZXnExT and the like.
AS> So we should be happy about this! download the software for stumps over the network, and then
AS> try it for Spectrums... the modern bandwidth of our
AS> networks... a sharp knife for beams... which I am incredibly happy about!!! :)
SOFTWARE really takes up a lot of space, but for this there is
(for now) a pirate market. It’s us, the Amizhniks, who still have to
pull out multi-gigabytes of warez manually...
AS> And therefore, I perceive Peters’ attempts to “inflate the screen” very
AS> skeptically.
Even installing a sample card already inflates the size programs...
AS> Yeah, if all Scorpios suddenly depreciate. ;)
Theywill not depreciate, rest assured...
AS> Yes, this will not happen! You buy it for $165, and in a year it will not fall below $145! Until the next Sprinter-2 :)
you don’t understand, I’m saying that this is WASTED money.
AS> Judge for yourself, why is there anything cheaper?
Go and buy some trinket, in a fit of blind stupidity, A
THEN try to sell it to a normal person. In the best case, you
will give it away for 1/10, and in the worst case, they will call you an idiot, because... They won’t
understand how it was possible to pay so much money for such squalor.
AS> No, Peters has normal prices, they also sell stumps nearby, and “how much”
AS> they know as well as you and me.
They know. I don't argue. But Spectrum just can’t be made so cheaply without having
technology. They hope that having done something advanced, they will be able
to sell it to hundreds of people at once, who, by inertia, will become zombies and
buy without thinking.
AS> And look at their board, estimate how much everything that costs there
AS> and it will become clear that $95 for such payment - the price is normal and even very
AS> normal! (if you especially take into account their circulation)
Yes, but you can make it more expensive. same thing. And it can be done cheaper.
Technology is a tricky thing. Piece things are unprofitable.
AS> He can reach the point of “thinking” ;), but as for DOOM...it’s all in DR’s hands!
well. Only for this money you can take a 386 with a propeller and have this
doom in allпозaх...
Good Luck...
... Oregano: the ancient Italian art of pizza folding.
As a child, I remember collecting stamps...
AS> Can you compare a Zhigul with a Rolls-Royce? a mass stamped product with
What is there to compare? Price and functionality are incomparable.
AS> hand-assembled. Therefore, compare the Sprinter with
AS> Scorpio, Pentagon, etc.
Well, how can people do this who have never seen either Scorpio or the Pentagon?
Self-deception is everything, Andrey... Self-deception and self-limitation of one’s own development.
Although, of course, in addition to opportunities, there are also limited needs, but here
there are cheaper options.
AS> So to this you should be happy! download the software for stumps over the network, and then
AS> try it for Spectrums... the modern bandwidth of our
AS> networks... a sharp knife for beams... which I am incredibly happy about!!! :)
Oh well... I get 20-30 MB per day on my machine at 14400 - absolutely
without any strain...
AS> And therefore, I take Peters’ attempts to “inflate the screen” very
AS> skeptically.
Yeah... It will be difficult to distribute software using floppy disks. Moreover, when this
software appears, flops as carriers will simply die out.
AS> only 3.11, 95 - must-day!
Why would you do this ;)
AS> No, Peters has normal prices, they also sell stumps nearby, and “how much”
AS> they know as well as you and I.
AS> And take a look at their board, estimate how much it costseverything that costs there and
AS> it will become clear that $95 for such a board is a normal price and even very
AS> normal! (if you especially take into account their circulation)
That's the point - it's too expensive compared to the cheap prices on
other platforms. And there's no escape here. It would be better if they made a cheap hardware emulator for the pussy. 20$+130 bucks per pussy = 150$ with incomparably higher
opportunities. Or vice versa - a video processor for the Spectrum for the same $20.
AS> All the best! Andrey Savichev / CGS
Sincerely, Dmitry (OLDMAN).
ZXNet: 095/100.1
old...@i-connect.ru
Dmitry is that you?
...why were you telling Andrew Savichev about Sprinter (2Max Romanoff)?
DG> Yeah... It will be difficult to distribute software with floppy disks. Moreover,
DG> when this software appears, floppies as media will simply die out.
yeah, do you think everyone will switch to CD? Who will write the CD? How much
will they cost?
DG> incomparably higher capabilities. Or vice versa - video processor
DG> for Spectrum for the same $20.
this is more interesting.
Good Luck...
... Never eat more than you can lift.
Get Msg, Max!
27 Jan 98 23:49, Max Romanoff reported to Dmitry Grigoryev about {Sprinter ( 2Max
Romanoff)}:
MR> Who will write a CD?
Anyone... on gold.
MR> How much will they cost?
20 rubles wholesale, retail - 30..40 rubles (prices are not out of the blue - they are already like that). And
what do you want, if writing CDROMs for IBM have fallen in price immeasurably.
With warm greetings, Slava!
thus\ amigniks are behind the times... by twenty years :))
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█ Once upon a time, Monday January 26 1998 18:34, Tim Yunaev
█ wrote for Andrew Savichev:
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TY> And you download the software for XT or 286. It will still have more capabilities
TY>, and the dimensions are almost the same.
U-oo...
If you don’t know the capabilities of Sprinter, why are you talking?
░▒▓██ Best regards, Ivan. ██▓▒░
TR-DOS 5.04Ei
Vyacheslav is that you?
...why were you telling me about Sprinter (2Max Romanoff)?
VM> Anyone... on gold.
I know that anyone, but still. Would you give your toy to someone to copy? There is no protection for CDs...
VM> 20 rubles wholesale, retail - 30..40 rubles (prices are not out of the blue - they are already like that).
yeah, for a pirated copy. Although, maybe the Peters will give
to the authors of CD games not 5 thousand as they want now, but 10 from the disk - otherwise it will not be profitable, because the price of such a thing will be incredibly high.
VM> And what do you want, if writing CDROMs for IBM have fallen in price
VM> immeasurably.
That's when the sprinter will have full development software, including
software for creating/replicating CDs, with COPY PROTECTION, and
when will the authors of this software be able to use their 500 rubles/4 months. buy
a recorder, and by that time there will be at least 1 user left with a driver - then
then this will help. (that's a big deal, huh? :))
p.s. Utopia in the sense. 100% protected software, on a 100% copyable
compact - who needs this?
Good Luck...
... "Are you sure this isn't the time for a colorful metaphor?"
Get Msg, Max!
29 Jan 98 01:38, Max Romanoff reported to Vyacheslav Mednonogov about {Sprinter (
2Max Romanoff)}:
MR> There is no protection for CDs...
I know that in a minute everyone will be kidding, but why not repeat the trick
with scratches on CDs as well?
On purpose on the allocated tracks (external, of course, because the catalog is located
closer to the center) we place beautiful defects in an _arbitrary_ place. It’s best to drill it with a drill or burn it with a soldering iron :)) Such a CD is inserted into the SD-rom and a map of bad sectors is again drawn up, which is recorded on a regular three-inch camera (in encrypted form). Of course, it is
impossible to rewrite a bad sector on a CD-disk, but copying such disks on CD-recorders is
extremely bad, if it doesn’t shut up at all (2Ilya_Fomin - enlighten me :)
And duplicating a floppy disk will not give anything, because it only fits
a specific disc.
MR> Although, maybe the Peters will give
MR> to the authors of CD games not 5 thousand as they want now, but 10 from the disk - otherwise it will not be
MR> profitable, because the price of such a thing will be incredibly high.
600 meters of software for the Sprinter for 30 rubles - is that really expensive :-?
MR> 100% protected software, on a 100% copied
MR> compact - who needs this?
Yes, about 100% software protection there should be an explanation - is it included here
100% protection of the distribution?
Warm greetings, Slava!
MR> yeah, do you think everyone will switch to CD? Who will write the CD? How much
MR> will they cost?
30-50 rubles, but how much do you think? Just a CD? They don't have long left either -
DVD is on the way... And there is already zip, jazz... And what to do - fast multi-color graphics appear on the Spectrum, but there is no lossy compression technology (and it won't save). How many megags, I wonder, do those flicks/avishkas with which they tempt us weigh? And this is just the beginning! Imagine a dozen or two
porn tetris/xonixes/sokobans, animated and in full color,
with which the Sprinter will be the first to be overwhelmed ;) And how many cartoons are being pulled out of the pussy... Soon you will get tired of buying software in boxes and filling cabinets with them.
If you manage to “curb your imagination” (AtariST managed this in its own time)... For some reason it seems to me that even before the release and demand for software for Sprinter
gets widespread - “either the donkey dies or the vizier meets Allah” (c)
MR> Good Luck...
Vyacheslav is that you?
...why were you telling me about Sprinter (2Max Romanoff)?
VM> I know that everyone will be kidding in a minute, but why not
VM> repeat the trick with scratches on the CD too?
Not the same system. Yes, and not technologically advanced. The carrier density is too
large.
VM> On specially designated tracks (external, of course, because the
VM> directory is located closer to the center) we place beautiful defects in an _arbitrary_
VM> place. It’s best to drill it with a drill or burn it with a soldering iron :)) Such a
VM> CD is inserted into the CD-ROM and again a map of bad sectors is drawn up,
a map of bads?! Do you know how long it will take you to compile it? :)
VM> which is recorded on a regular three-inch camera (in encrypted form).
haha! These are the disks that are copied! :) By the way, for that matter, then
the entire executable file is made on 3~, and the data is on CD. This is an option, but
perverse.
VM> Of course, it is impossible to rewrite the bad sector on a CD-disk, but copying
VM> such disks on CD-recorders is extremely bad, if not
VM> shuts up completely (2Ilya_Fomin - enlighten me :)
You can copy almost everything.
VM> But duplicating a floppy disk will not give anything, because... it only fits
VM> a specific disk.
If you make a 1:1 copy of a CD with damaged areas, then perhaps
this floppy disk will fit the copies.
VM> 600 meterssoftware for Sprinter for 30 rubles - is that expensive :-?
For Sprinter? For 30 thousand it will be ordinary crap. And for the sprinter for
each program for 30 rubles. Either the disk will be full of the first program (it will still
be more expensive), or the price will be even higher.
VM> Yes, about 100% protection of the software, we need an explanation - does
VM> include 100% protection of the distribution?
I'm afraid not. ;)
Good Luck...
... Be nice to your kids. They'll choose your nursing home.
Ivan is that you?
...why were you telling Tim Yunaev about Sprinter (2Max Romanoff)?
TY>> And you download the software for XT or 286. It will still have the same
TY>> more capabilities, and the dimensions are almost the same.
IM> Oooh...
IM> If you don’t know the capabilities of Sprinter, why are you talking?
What do you know? 8-bit computer, no software. You are clearly misleading the public.
Good Luck...
... Help! I'm modeming... and I can't hang up!!!
TY>> is larger, but the dimensions are almost the same.
IM> Wow...
IM> If you don’t know the capabilities of Sprinter, why are you talking?
It’s about the capabilities of software, not machines. The fact is that many
professional teams worked on the PC (those who left Spectrum) and the software was not only
high-quality, but also made quickly and in large quantities... You only have
a few programmers and economic limitations.
IM> ░▒▓██ Yours sincerely, Ivan. ██▓▒░
So the price of programs should not increase (where does the demand come from?), and blanks and recording
are now pennies.
MR> That’s when the sprinter will have full development software, including
MR> software for creating/replicating CDs, with COPY PROTECTION, and
MR> when will the authors of this software be able to use their 500 rubles/4 months? buy
MR> a recorder, and by that time there will be at least 1 user left with the drive - then
MR> then this will help. (that's a big deal, huh? :))
Why? In about five years, everything will become cheaper just to that extent. When will it be discontinued ;)
MR> p.s. Utopia in the sense. 100% protected software, 100% copyable
MR> haha! These are the disks that are copied! :)
See below. This means that such a floppy disk will only fit the defined
CD.
MR> By the way, for that matter, the entire executable is made on 3~, and the data on
MR> cD. This is an option, but a perverse one.
You can, of course, not drill the CD, but scratch the floppy disk, or check the length of the track
- but this has already been discussed and has been working for a long time. The whole joke is to pervert over the CD
:)
VM>> copying such disks on CD recorders occurs exclusively
VM>> it’s bad if it doesn’t shut up at all (2Ilya_Fomin - enlighten me :)
MR> You can copy almost everything.
Well, it’s starting :) I don’t I know, you don’t know - only Fomin knows :)
^^^^ ^^^^^^ the software
TY>> is equal to more, and the dimensions are almost the same.
IM> Wow... If you don’t know the capabilities of Sprinter, why are you talking?
See. above.
Shall we argue? Only taking into account the actually _already_ existing software, ok?
May you have eighty-three bags of hryvnias, Dmitry!
Once upon a time, specifically Friday January 30, 1998 at 09:21 Dmitry
Grigoryev wrote Max Romanoff:
DG> Protection is not done from hackers, but so that users buy. Sidyuk -
DG> this is an effective protection even on the pussy - not every user has a free
DG> gig on a screw for one toy.
Unfortunately (fortunately?) CD blanks are everywhere, the average price is $9, a CD recorder
is available at any computer company, burning a disc costs from $5.
Hi, Vyacheslav!
29 Jan 98, Vyacheslav Mednonogov writes to Max Romanoff:
VM> I know that in a minute everyone will be kidding, but why not
VM> repeat the trick with scratches on the CD?
VM> On specially designated tracks (external, of course, because the catalog
VM> is closer to the center) we put beautiful defects in an _arbitrary_
VM> location. It’s best to drill it with a drill or burn it with a soldering iron :)) This
VM> CD is inserted into the CD-ROM and again a map of bad sectors is created,
VM> which is recorded on a regular three-inch (in encrypted form).
VM> Of course, it is impossible to rewrite the bad sector on a CD-ROM, but
VM> copying such disks to CD-recorders happen exclusively
VM> it sucks if it doesn’t shut up at all (2Ilya_Fomin - enlighten me :)
Anto... on Reed-Solomon CDs. Varez wheels with a 3mm hole are readable...
With best wishes - Andrey Khristov (ha...@robin.alt.ru)
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