Dispute (principled) :@)))))))))))))))))))))
ZXNet echo conference «zx.spectrum»
From Max Romanoff → To All 20 April 1998
Evgen is that you?
...why did you tell me about the Dispute (of principle) :@)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) 1. Slowly and tediously I explain once again: HA OTHER PLATFORMS ME THIS GAME
ES> NO WORTH!!!
I repeat slowly and tediously: under the emulator of your favorite platform. :)
ES> 2. You can _have_ a lot of things, and who, and where, and when the whole point is
ES> that the buzz is different...
the buzz? In principle, the maximum buzz that you will lose under the emulsion is the inability to connect some kind of hardware, like on a real one ;)
ES> Is this bad? And if you agree, you yourself are a nostalgic
ES> emulator...
I am not an emulator, and not a nostalgic one.
ES> I have a Spectrum and it works (from a tape recorder) - and that’s cool! And
I’m happy for you, and I want to say that I have 2a of them (kay256 and scorp1024).
I also have rk86.
ES> this expresses my nostalgia. And I work on an IBM PC because it
ES> is _convenient_. So if the Spectrum were faster, and the software
ES> was appropriate, it would be much easier to do something for which I
ES> require IBM.
run the emulator, it will have faster specs :)
ES> If there were a cheap computer, there would be _coders_, even more than you
ES> you think...
yeah. you just need to convince them that their efforts will not be in vain.
ES> Everything grows and develops sooner or later, just don’tto be
ES> an overgrown accelerator and... it’s also not necessary.
What new things have been invented since ’82 in terms of gameplay? 3D only. everything.
the rest is possible even at 3.5 Mhz.
ES> It seems to me that only spektrumists write on ASM.
not only.
ES> And it won’t be the same as on PC, because Spectrum will not be pc.
if they screw it up. It was like this everywhere, and Speck is no exception (if
grows up)... there was a lot of discussion about topics in different languages....
ES> You can - buy it, it’s up to you.
I already have it. I’m just stating the fact that today there is no point
buying a dandy with a lot of memory...
ES> In short, I don’t understand you... Why talk about something about sax and
and what is not clear? made in an original way, but for such a price it is not at all competitive...
ES> must, if it's all about the price. A limousine is also, you know, not cheap.
this is an indicator. if you are aware - new users practically
no longer appear on the Spectum, and the old ones leave... draw conclusions.
ES> Make the Spectrum the size of a gameboy and in Russia it will be the coolest
ES> development of all time.
and why? Why another console without software? Aren't there a lot of them who are heroically bent? Do we need another one?
ES> But if one appears, it will overshadow everything... But, don’t get me wrong
again, let’s look. The latest toys usually have a volume of about 2
discs, at a price of more than 20 thousand rubles...for this money you can buy a CD with
gams that are not inferior.... who will outshine whom?
You are simply mistaken in thinking that people will stubbornly stick to
ZX. They sit until they have no money (they haven’t saved it), and then once and that’s it.
amiga/pc. They can and will continue to do something for a while,
and then that’s it.
ES> wrong. There is nothing left to outshine IBM. And in general, I don’t need that kind of crap. I need a game to stretch my brain or relieve tension. A
ES> MK1 on Spectrum is cooler than its prototype on IBM. It was not possible to play
ES> there at all.
well, what can you do, on the A500 for $70 it’s better than on the Spectrum :)
ES> Hence the conclusion: if you want, buy a gameboy for 300 rubles and play Tetris
ES> (a good game, by the way) - it’s your business and no one’s concern your personal
ES> affairs (of course, if they do not harm others).
On GB there is not only Tetris, if you don’t know.
ES> And I want to play my favorite games on the Spectrum, in the end I assembled it
ES> myself (almost).
play, no one takes it away from you.
Good Luck...
... Press Smash forehead on keyboard to continue.....
From Oleg Bashtenko → To All 23 April 1998
MR> not only.
But the code is optimized now IMHO only by spektrumists...
Oleg AKA Olav
From Evgen Shablitskiy → To All 24 April 1998
MR> what new things have been invented since 1982 in terms of gameplay? 3D only. that's all.
MR> the rest is possible even at 3.5 Mhz.
You forgot about high-quality sound. You're right, at 3.5Mhz almost everything is possible,
possible, but unattractive mainly because of the graphics. Nobody wants to break their eyes in '98. Now about 3D - it's great. I'm not saying that this brings other bullshit closer to reality. IMHO 3D has increased the player's capabilities in games several times.
MR> I already have it. I'm just stating the fact that today there is no point
MR> buying a dandy with a lot of memory...
No point? OK. convinced... Just don't be offended later...
What's the point then? Let's define today an inexpensive platform accessible to almost everyone, for which there is already software (DOS at least). Well, of course
we’ll define it by _Spectrum_ standards.
Some 486dx2-66 - 4Mb - 256Kb video
1.44 floppy, screw - up to 100Mb, 2-CD drive
Inexpensive Sound Blaster. Hardmakers can make their own UltraSound. Dos 6.22 and that's it.
I don't even want to say how much it costs. Well, you can take DX 100, it is
more expensive, but 640x480 will be faster.
Let's convince coders to switch to this platform. You yourself said that
everyone is trying to save money and leave the Spectrum. It’s easy for coders to retrain.
Just don’t worry thatdifficult. It’s easier on PC asm IMHO (and there’s no need to pick on the words, I said IMHO). Borland Turbo Assembler and create.
Vyacheslav Mednonogov will make his Diablo for DOS, and we will agree that we will tear off the head of anyone who engages in piracy. CD-ROM for 30 - 50 rubles and
no pirates can do anything. Good groups will not break up, good people will not leave.
> _The spirit_of_the_spectrum_can_very_easily_merge_into_a_new_body_Because__who_
> _would_not_say_,_at_the_spec_games_for_the_soul_were_and_are_and_it_is_simple_
> _great_!
Good (excellent) graphics, good (excellent) sound and music. Small
volume of programs. Coders make money, hard makers make money.
PC guys are drooling when they see games like this and most importantly, they will buy them
even with their Pentiums
What's the matter, they're not happy with it?
Write an emulsion for this computer. Do you need a multicalorie? Why is it needed if
you can write an emulsion that obviously supports 16 or 64 or 256 or True color
colors.
If you don’t like it, make an expansion board that will be inserted into the ISA
slot. Here comes the multicalor, here comes AY, here comes Vg93 with TR-DOS...
And let someone hang himself from anger that no one needs it in Russia
Windows 98 with P666MMX And 3dfx...
Let it be so, if today there is no point in buying a dandy with a lot of memory!
And you toUnfortunately you're right - it makes no sense. No one can convince me of the above; it’s not even worth trying. But this is the case if today no one
needs a dandy with a ton of memory.
Well, explain where I was wrong?
To All: by the way, everyone’s opinion is interesting, especially those who make games.
From Alex Kovrigin → To All 25 April 1998
OB> But now IMHO the code is optimized only by spectrists...
Not only.
WBR, Alex Kovrigin <cre...@online.nsk.su>
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From Paul Falcon → To All 26 April 1998
AK> Hе thank you.
Neither nor anyone else ;)
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From Rick Murray → To All 28 April 1998
tamagoshi :) into which, according to rumors, the Japanese computer project of the 5th
generation degenerated. :)
Bye! mur...@geocities.com
Rick Murray http://letit.base.org
From Vladimir Yudin → To All 30 April 1998
MR>>> that's it. the rest is possible even at 3.5Mhz.
RM> Tamagoshi :) into which, according to rumors, the Japanese project
RM> of the 5th generation computer has degenerated. :)
Well, whatever, it’s not difficult to make Tamagoshi on the Spectrum.
And that means a 5th generation Japanese computer. :))
Sincerely
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From Vyacheslav Mednonogov → To All 2 May 1998
Get Msg, Vyacheslav!
30 Apr 98 11:13, Vyacheslav Levenkov reported to Evgen Shablitskiy about {Dispute
(fundamental) It’s no longer funny...}:
VL> here you are absolutely right... having changed from Speckie to Petse, two
VL> weeks later I started on Petse in turbo in assembler to sculpt a toy... and I was convinced
VL> that it’s still easier and more convenient to do it in PC...
Was it worth moving to the PC to get dirty in assembler again? ;)
Warm greetings, Slava!
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