Spectrum, what should it be? (was Promotion...)

The prerequisites for the new promotion are real
and potential:

1) networks allow you to “stroke a chord” in
those who remember about the Spectrum, but
“have forgotten a little”;
they can also tell those who
only have pee at work (at school, at
institute)
“Hey friend, should you buy on
$100, which is all you have,
all sorts of writing junk that won't
today - tomorrow you'll die physically
(for example, old worn-out screws? "
There is also a possibility of a "cover" of free software for writing.
2) Spectrum cannot freeze and stand still
in its development. "Freeze" is the same root word as "die". But it should not
sing in someone else’s voice.
Everything that grows out of it should
be based on those fundamental
values that it has.
This is:
a) compactness (there should be
nothing superfluous, redundant,
unjustifiably architecturally complex).
Consequently, any “bells and whistles” that are
done should have a simple, reasonable
interface.
And no PnP! Unless by special order ;)
b) it should be ultra-reliable and
miniature (if this does not inflate prices,
hard makers should always strive
to make a small, elegant scarf,
if this is a new development).

But there is a powerful deterrent
factor here. A computer like the Spectrum, in theory, should be produced in millions of copies. But this is forever now
already unrealistic :(
Let opponents
of “emulations” remember this. No need to say, take
pipi, Mac and so on. If there is a chip
that programmatically (in fact
microprogrammatically) gives you 1:1 Spectrum
- 40 MHz and at the same time costs $20, then
I will install it without delay, because
human labor is very expensive these days.
It would be more correct to remove the bus and give
a detailed description of _how to connect
your hardware_.
c) a minimum of external devices!
There was a tape recorder, a flop appeared,
the tape recorder disappeared. An attempt to connect a
hard drive is, IMHO, deeply flawed.
Inflates the price, increases the dimensions and
weight, and complicates the power supply. For the same reason
there should have been only 3.5"
flops long ago. Are they unreliable? I agree, less
reliable. And scratching them is more difficult.
But they are three times smaller and almost half
cheaper.
Many people have VCRs
(player), and do they have a device like
Arvid on the Spectrum? If only there was
something to store it on archives, then many would not need a screw. 4-8 meg of flash and 1-4 meg of main memory (RAM - CD-ROM) would be enough
to be much preferable to a hard drive,
since many don’t care.I want
to listen to music compacts, and at the same time
it would be nice to store everything about
Spectrum.
1.8 GB (3 compacts), that would be enough for everyone
for a long time :)
You also need a mouse, keyboard and normal work with sound! in full
(but of course with moderation of appetite).
Regarding the screen.
You cannot “inflate the screen” - this is the death of
Spectrum. Everything else is “wrapped” around the screen: the speed of the processor, the complexity of the video accelerator, and the required volume of main and additional (“disk” memory).
As soon as the average size of programs exceeds 200 kbytes, the Spectrum will lose
all its advantages relative to
networks. Therefore, whatever you want, the video
memory should not be more than 64k, and in
the idea, the less the better.
Modems today, without exaggeration
decide everything! No modem, no platform.
There is nothing to do without networks in the 21st century!
A separate question about communication with other
platforms. The more interfaces
and converters - the better! There should be separation, but within reasonable
limits. You have to live at home, and not visit
us, but going to visit is very
useful and pleasant (if you are well
received).
These are all attractive features for all
spectrumists.
And I agree that ironshould
"whet the appetite" of the authors.
If the hardware is such that anyone wants to write something for it
(and the main thing is with the help of something and
literally "chewed" _how_, then a lot of people
will write. And if so, then
there will be a sufficient number of
professionals.
Well, and the most important thing - PRICE.
Everything new should be acceptable at a
price. This means that the emphasis should again
be placed on “hardware emulation” wherever
this is possible.
( Because the costs of developing
“microprograms” are one-time and can
be repaid gradually, but you will have to buy hardware
and solder it every time
and it may turn out that there will be
losses instead of profits and then
production will die out.)
And we must
squeeze literally everything out of every “iron penny”. Spectrum has no other choice :( We are not able to compete with
“yellow” automatic factories. It is also
impossible to place an order for them for less than 500,000 compers. Therefore, modernization of the existing ones is also
possible. Spectrum is one of
the last opportunities for the development of
the platform. But the production of new
Spectrum, if there are orders for at least 1000 - 2000 pieces, is possible,
especially now when the economy
is in decline.

AndreyСавичев/ CGS

29 Mar 98 10:27, Andrew Savichev wrote for All:

AS> From: "Andrew Savichev" <m...@satan.spb.su>

AS> Hi, All!

AS> The prerequisites for the new promotion are real
AS> and potential:

AS> 1) the network allows you to “stir a chord” in those who remember about the Spectrum
AS> but have “slightly forgotten”; they can tell those who only
AS> have pussy at work (at school, in college)
AS> “Hey friend, do you need to buy with $100, which is all you
AS> have, all the writing trash that is not today - tomorrow will die
AS> physically (for example, old worn-out screws?" There is a possibility and
AS> "cover" for free software for pisi.
The software on Spectrum is cheaper and much better!
I like that Speckie has DOS and BASIC embedded in the ROM! There are no problems with
unexpected blocking of sys files and failure to read sys disk.

AS> 2) Spectrum cannot freeze and freeze in its development. “Freeze”
AS> is a word with the same root as “die”. But he shouldn’t “sing in someone else’s
AS> voice”
IMHO Specky shouldn’t get too worked up! Million colors is good, but I
don’t need it on my TV, and 256 will do!!!

AS> Everything that grows from it should be based on thosefundamental
AS> values ​​that it has.
AS> These are:

AS> a) compactness (it should not contain anything superfluous, redundant,
AS> unjustifiably architecturally complex). Therefore, any “bells and whistles”
AS> that are made must have a simple, reasonable interface.
AS> And no PnP! Unless by special order ;)

Actually, I want to believe that everything I have from Specky iron, I
will be able to stuff it into a pee case (probably seen something like a baby, only three times
already)

AS> b) it should be ultra-reliable and miniature (if it doesn’t inflate
AS> prices, hardmakers should always strive to make a small one
AS> an elegant scarf, if this is a new development). But here there is
AS> a powerful deterrent. A computer like the Spectrum, in theory
AS> should be produced in millions of copies. But this is forever now
AS> unrealistic :(
AS> Let opponents of “emulations” remember this. No need to say,
AS> take pussy, Mac, etc. If there is a chip that programmatically (essentially
AS> microprogrammatically) gives you 1:1 Spectrum - 40 MHz and at the same time costs $20,
AS> then I’m without delay, I’ll put it in because living labor is very
AS> expensive these days. It would be more correct to display the bus and give a detailed description of _how
AS> to connect your hardware_.

AS> c)minimum external devices. There was a tape recorder, a flop appeared,
AS> the tape recorder disappeared. Trying to connect a hard drive is, IMHO, deeply flawed.
No, it’s not flawed - it’s just not for everybody. It is indispensable in FIDO :)))

AS> It inflates the price, increases the dimensions and weight, and complicates the power supply. For the same
AS> reason, only 3.5" flops should have remained long ago. Are they unreliable?
AS> I agree, they are less reliable. And they are more difficult to scratch. But they are three
AS> smaller and almost half the price.
But you can come up with some simple multicard: a drive controller, a couple
ports, a screw and something else. The most important thing is that if there are errors in it, then
you will have to dig around/change it, and not the whole mother.

AS> Many people have VCRs (recording players), but do they have a device like Arvid
AS> on the Spectrum? If there was something to store archives on, then many would not need a
AS> screw. preferable
AS> to a hard drive, since many people still want to listen to music
AS> compacts, and at the same time it would be nice to store everything about
AS> Spectrum. 1.8 GB (3 compacts), it would last for a long time for everyone :)
I completely agree: CD is the future of Spectrum! lightly. Another question is that this should not be included.kit of the future (I'm already starting to believe) Spectrum, and installed
as a convenience.

AS> You also need a mouse, keyboard and normal-
Forgot about the joystick! You can do it on a multicard. (maybe the Z80 will do in order not to take up new processor resources!

AS> work with sound! in full (but of course with moderation
AS> of appetite).
Separate sound card! FM/WaveTable - that will be cool! Who cares what the price is, and
someone may not want to buy.

AS> Regarding the screen. You can’t “inflate the screen” - it’s death Spectrum.
AS> Everything else “wraps” around the screen: the speed
AS> of the processor, and the complexity of the video accelerator and the required volume
AS> of the main and additional ("disk" memory).
Therefore, it would be nice to find out the power of the portion, and make it for it!
Again, calculate for the maximum, and make a little video memory to begin with.

AS> As soon as the average size of the programs exceeds 200 kbytes, Spectrum
AS> will lose all its advantages regarding networks. Therefore, whatever
AS> you want, but the video memory should not be more than 64k, and in theory, the less
AS> the better.
Well, there’s nothing you can do about it.
You can write programs in two (or more) modes to get 64k, and so
it depends. I like it, but IMHO no more than 640x480x256 colors!Specky ratio
screen size is three to four, like a TV. We need to come up with two standards
512X384X256 - for the TV and 640X480X256 (hence 320X240) - for the monitor.

AS> Modems today, without exaggeration, decide everything! No modem - no
AS> platform. There is nothing to do without networks in the 21st century! A separate question about
AS> connections with other platforms. The more interfaces and converters -
AS> the better! There should be separation, but within reasonable limits. It is necessary
AS> to live at home, and not at a party, but going to visit is very useful and
AS> pleasant (if you are well received).
AS> These are all attractive features for all spectrumists. And I agree that
AS> iron should “stimulate the appetite” of authors. If the hardware is such that
AS> anyone wants to write something for it (and the main thing is with
AS> with the help of which it is literally “chewed” _as_), then very
AS> many will write. And if so, then there will be a sufficient number of professionals.
But the most important thing is that these professionals should not exceed the resources of the computer, otherwise
it will begin !!!!!!!!

AS> Well, and the most important thing - PRICE.
Alas, this is so...

AS> Everything new must be affordable. This means that the emphasis again
AS> should be placed on “hardware emulation” wherever possible.
AS> (Because development costs“microprograms” are disposable and
AS> can be repaid gradually, but you have to buy hardware and solder it
AS> every time and it may turn out that there will be losses instead of profits and
AS> then production will stall.)
AS> And literally everything must be squeezed out of every “iron penny”. Spectrum has no other
AS> exit! :( We are not able to compete with the “yellow” factories
AS> - automatic machines. It is also impossible to place an order for them for less than
AS> 500,000 compers. Therefore, the modernization of existing
AS> Spectrums is one of the last opportunities for the development of the platform. But
AS> and the production of new Spectrums, if there are orders for at least 1000 -
AS> 2000 pieces are possible, especially now, when the economy is in decline.
In short, I imagine the new Specky as follows:
1. Open architecture
2. At least 5 expansion slots (of course not PCI and especially not VESA VLB -
too bulky) ISA 16 - just right (some devices can be crammed in)
In connection. with the above described, they may look at me with an unkind look, but
the architecture must be made open, otherwise the Spectrum will be born dead:((((
3. RAM 2 Mega (in the base) - 1-2 slots for 30 pin simm.
4. Video RAM 256 kilobytes (on its own board, preferably specially designed)
5. ROM - all sorts necessarysettings, turning on the standard Spectrum 128
The most important thing is the output to the TV (monitor)!!!
6. The OC must be flashed into ROM (itself, which can be replaced if necessary).
7. CASH would be nice to have.
8. Multicard with a disk drive controller, IDE screw, (from here CD drive),
mouse, joystick, communication ports, printer port, etc. but more
complex features can be implemented in future versions of the board.
9. The most important thing is that it fits beautifully and competently into the case
that has pissed me off so much. That is, the dimensions are small.
You need to sell without a mouse, screw, disk drives, keyboard, CD drive, sound card and modem!!! Part of the population has all this, the other part will slowly buy
!
And if they create such a Speccy, then the developers of both would do well to conduct a survey. You have FIDO, at worst the Internet :@)
Now so many new microcircuits have been invented, is it really not possible
to design them. We have had talented people for a long time, where are they???

It would be good if they added to it, refuted it, at least somehow expressed their opinion!
But on my own behalf I will say that if everything goes like this, then I will sell my
four am5x86-133 without regret and with the proceeds I will buy myself a SINCLAIR ZX SPECTRUM (that
sounds!!!), I think it’s better to leave the name the same. I will also buylicensed
DOS, the main thing is that the interface is convenient.

P.S. This is naive, but still .....

AS> Andrey Savichev/ CGS
AS> -+- ifmail v.2.14dev2
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Regards, Evgen.

Like this... But I don’t agree, write to us and we’ll talk...;+)

For this I say goodbye, Oleg.

AS> weight complicates the BP.

I don’t think so. And in general, about the minimum of devices. IMHO, on the contrary, there should be as many of them as possible. The more bells and whistles, the more possibilities.
And let everyone choose the configuration that suits them best
. For example, I won’t install a sampler and VLabMotion on my Amiga, because I don’t need them. But the presence of such devices in itself
is not bad, because someone will need them.

Bye, with a pack of vicious, Pavel Fedin.

Once I was in a museum and there on an old, old stone an ancient man carved that
Tuesday March 31, 1998 right at 09:39, Tarasov Oleg wrote All:

TO> SPEC+GS+GOOD VIDEO PROCESSOR sorry VIDEO CARD+WICHESTER
TO> (up to 500MEG, no more needed)+3.5 flops+MODEM+SIDER
TO> (preferably but not necessary)+1MEG of memory (also not
TO> necessary) And, AND!! all this should be inserted into
TO> an ordinary slot, and can be pulled out at any time
I agree, the current CD imho is not needed on the spec right now (not needed yet), but in everything
else I agree with you. By the way, imho there is already such a computer - Sprinter or am I wrong?

Wiz zE BeSt WisHeZ 2 U!
-=JoCkeR/OmEga HaCkErS Grp/1998year=-

> Once I was in a museum and there on an old, old stone an ancient man carved that
>Tuesday March 31, 1998 right at 09:39, Tarasov Oleg wrote All:
>
> TO> SPEC+GS+GOOD VIDEO PROCESSOR sorry VIDEO CARD+WICHESTER
> TO> (before 500meg, no more needed)+3.5 flop+MODEM+SIDER
> TO> (preferably but not required)+1meg of memory (also not
> TO> required) AND, AND!! all this should be inserted into
> TO> an ordinary slot, and can be pulled out at any time
>I agree, the current CD imho is not needed on the spec right now (not needed yet), but in everything

Hallo Evgen!

Tuesday March 31, 1998 01:20, Evgen Shablitskiy wrote to Andrew Savichev:

ES> In short, I introduce the new Specky as follows:
ES> 1. Open architecture
ES> 2. At least 5 expansion slots (of course not PCI and certainly not VESA
ES> VLB - too bulky) ISA 16 - just right! (some devices
ES> can be stuffed in) In connection with the above, they may look at me
ES> with an unkind look, but the architecture must be made open, otherwise the Spectrum
ES> will be born dead :((((
ES> 3. RAM 2 Mega (in the base) - 1-2 slots for 30 pin simm.
ES> 4. Video RAM 256 kilobytes (on your own board, preferably specially
ES> developed)
ES> 5. ROM - all the necessary settings, turning on the standard
ES> Spectrum 128 The most important thing is the output to the TV (monitor)!!!
ES> 6. OC must be flashed into the ROM (itself, which can be replaced if
ES> necessary).
ES> 7. CASH would be nice to have.
ES> 8. Multicard with a disk drive controller, IDE screw, (hence
ES> CD drive), also a mouse, joystick, communication ports, printer port, etc.
ES> but more complex features can be implemented in future versions of the
ES> board.
ES> 9. The most important thing is that it fits beautifully and correctly into the
ES> body thatI was so pissed off. That is, the dimensions are small.
ES> You need to sell without a mouse, screw, disk drives, keyboard, CD drive,
ES> sound card and modem !!!

Don’t throw heavy objects at me! ;)

It means that any IBM motherboard is taken (now versions on
286 and 386 percent are almost given away for free). It _already_ has everything
you need in hardware: expansion slots into which a video card, multicard, modem, etc. are stuffed, main memory... For fans of miniaturization there are compact options, but they are more difficult to find.
It is best to take an “outdated” computer as a whole, then there will be a case
with a power supply, keyboard, display...
"Spectrum" is made on a small ISA card (Z80, ROM, decoder), which could occupy the bus and use all available hardware. Making such a card is much easier than most versions of “normal” Spectrum cards. If you _very_ really want, you can provide a "Spectrum" system bus on it, for Spectrum-specific peripherals.
If you get really perverted, you can add a ROM for an 80x86 processor,
making it do all the dirty work (convert the image,
maintain the file system on the screw, emulate missing ports).
Convenient and for “virtualists” (you won’t have to in real timeemulate Z80),
and for “real-life people” (in fact, they will have two computers in one) ;)

Disadvantages - emulation of the “native” Spectrum screen, you will have to forget about
multicolor. But text modes
and VGA graphics will be available...

Sincerely, George

AH> I agree, right now CD imho is not needed on the spec (not yet
AH>), but in everything
AH> I agree with you on everything else. By the way, imho such a computer already exists
AH> - Sprinter or am I wrong?

Of course I’m wrong!
1. he is not SPEC. Spec is one of its features - I don't like it.
2. GS does not fit there (maybe through an adapter? although it is not needed there).
3. there is no video card (this is bad).
The main thing is that the point about plugging everything into ordinary slots is not fulfilled! (except
HAES modem).
IMHO.
And if you have 1MB of RAM, that’s a must IMHO!

All the best.
With respect, Roman Milukov.

01 Apr 98 Tarasov Oleg, hoping that All will read,
wrote:

TO> By the way, we are preparing a screw controller here in Saratov
TO> with support for both the TR dos and the screw itself...
TO> Throw in some info?

Come on, we need it urgently! You can use soap.

AH> I agree, I don’t need CD imho right now on the spec (not needed yet), but in
AH> everything else I agree with you. By the way, imho there already is such a computer -
AH> Sprinter or am I wrong?
Yes, in principle, I’m right, but where is it and if it is somewhere, then how much
it still needs to be shoveled, so that later some kind of bells and whistles that are decipherable and insanely
necessary can be implemented there. As I understand it, all the controllers on the mother
are implemented, IMHO it is no good, a video card with its own video processor, inserted into its own expansion slot, Specky is needed! The flop/screw/SD controller should also
be on a separate card!
And two iso slots are too few, and they are 8 bits. I don’t like
kovoks, I want to have (in the sense of using :@) WaveTable music card, that is, I want
muson, not much different from the real one with 16 (20) channels !!!
But all this is not important. It is important that the next version of Specky be liked by everyone
without exception and become a de facto standard (sort of like that ;@)! It is important that it is
supported by coders, musicians, just good people!
But if one good person makes Diablo on Specky (new), so that it runs
fast, and networked, and killer music :@) This is where you will need RAM,
video card, WaveTable! Damn, I’m about ten people who now have 286-486 and who
wants Pentiums, I’ll sign up for a new Spec and a licensed toy!

IMPORTANTIT'S NOT SPEED AND GRAPHICS (although most buy into it)
BUT INTEREST IS IMPORTANT!!!

Just an opinion: I want there to be an inexpensive, not too sophisticated
platform on which it is pleasant to learn, play and just do what you love: make music, games, train your brain! All this was given by Specky before!
I don’t like pussy that ends up in an unknown direction. I don't believe that
without 3dfyx you can't write fast code, which also doesn't require
200WeMyYx. (I ran Chasm at the top four, because of the monster count, better than
QUKE)
Everyone watched Terminator 1/2!
IMHO everything is going that way!!! :@(

P.S. By the way, who developed the Sprinter? Is it possible to talk to them somehow
? Is it even possible to see it and run anything on it?

Sincerely, Evgen.

Well, I give it...
Screw controller
Handkerchief size 1dm. sq. Connector for KAY or SCORPION and PROFI
To the rest it is attached with wires to the processor and a wire is thrown from
the ROM control leg.
On the board there is an 8 kilogram ROM, a primary boot and its own 16 kilograms of static
RAM and that 24 kilograms of support.
The screw is supported up to 500 meg, higher than mine is not cost-effective,
costs too much... The MS-DOS FAT16 screw format, so you can
safely remove and work on the computer under the emulator with support
of .TRD disk images. Only standard entry points are emulated,
on #3D2F control is almost immediately transferred to the TR DOS ROM.
There is also an entry point #3F00 at which only the
controller is turned on screw and screw ports are available for general use... True, for this you will also need to issue a command...
And so in the commander there will be programs for working with the screw...
Example:

LD HL,PATH
LD DE,WHERE
LD C, #5 ;LOADING COMMAND (FOR EXAMPLE)
CALL #3F00

PATH DEFM "GAME\PINBALL\BALL.EXE"

Upload the BALL.EXE file to the address WHERE

Also for aesthetes, the controller will have a clock and a 1Mg frame drive
They are not in the standard configuration.
That seems to be all for now that is not clear or there are any questions, write
to the echo or to my home... ;+)

For this I say goodbye, Oleg.

Roman Milukov <Roman....@p8.f7.n4616.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:
> Hello, Tarasov!
Uh-huh, hello. You can just Oleg... :+)

>01 Apr 98 Tarasov Oleg hoping that All will read,
>wrote:
Oh, I wrote like this... ;+)

> TO> By the way, we are preparing a screw controller here in Saratov
> TO> with support for both the TR dos and the screw itself...
> TO> Throw some info?
>
>Come on, Need it urgently! You can use soap.
Well, I give it...
Screw controller
A handkerchief measuring 1 inch. sq. Connector for KAY or SCORPION and PROFI
To the rest it is attached with wires to the processor and a wire is thrown from
the ROM control leg.
On the board there is an 8 kilogram ROM, a primary boot and its own 16 kilograms of static
RAM and that 24 kilograms of support.
The screw is supported up to 500 meg, higher than mine is not cost-effective,
costs too much... The MS-DOS FAT16 screw format, so you can
safely remove and work on the computer under the emulator with support
of .TRD disk images. Only standard entry points are emulated,
on #3D2F control is almost immediately transferred to the TR DOS ROM.
There is also an entry point #3F00 at which only the
controller is turned on screw and screw ports are available for general use... True, for this you will also need to issue a command...
And so in the commander there will be programs for working with the screw...
Example:

LD HL,PATH
LD DE,WHERE
LD C, #5 ;LOADING COMMAND (E.G.)
CALL #3F00

PATH DEFM "GAME\PINBALL\BALL.EXE"

Load the file BALL.EXE to the address WHERE

Also for the aesthetes, there will be a clock and a 1Mg frame drive on the controller
In their standard configuration no.
It seems that for now everything that is not clear or there are any questions, write
to the echo or to my home... ;+)

For this I say goodbye, Oleg.

04 Apr 98 Tarasov Oleg, hoping that Everyone will read, wrote:

TO> From: Tarasov Oleg <st...@fannet.ru>
^^^^^^^ ^^^^
> Hello, Tarasov!
TO> Uh-huh, hello. Can I just Oleg... :+)
Can I? OK! Then, plz, swap your last name and first name. :)

[Description of the sophisticated computer has been skipped]

Imho this will no longer be a Spectrum, it will be some kind of incomprehensible monster
that has compatibility (?) with the ZX Spectrum as a function. And besides, you need to look at things realistically: in order to develop such a machine it is necessary to spend a lot of time and money, which, alas, no one has, and besides, if this machine is nevertheless made, then for some time it will remain pure iron, because old software will not support all its bells and whistles, and writing new software also requires the same time and money.

ES> Just an opinion: I want there to be an inexpensive, not too
ES> sophisticated platform on which it is pleasant to learn, play and just
ES> do what you love: make music, games, train your brains! All
ES> Specky gave this before! I don't like pussy that doesn't know
ES> where it ends up. I don’t believe that without 3dfyx you can’t write
ES> fast code, which also doesn’t require 200WeMyYx. (I ran
ES> Chasm on four, according to the graph of monsters, better than QUKE)
ES> Everyone watched Terminator 1/2! IMHO everything is going that way
ES>!!! :@(

I don’t understand why the Terminator is here?

ES> P.S. By the way, who developed the Sprinter? Is it possible to talk to them
ES> somehow? You can actually see it and run it on it
ES>anything?

Ask Ivan Mak :)

ES> Sincerely, Evgen.

With best wishes, Flying/DR

... -= Digital Reality =-
~~~ Blue Wave v2.12

ES> you will need RAM, video card, WaveTable! Damn, I'm about ten people, who currently have 286-486 and who want Pentiums, I'll sign up for a new Speck and
ES> a licensed toy!

yes... we've arrived... if they are complete idiots, so for the sake of one toy
DO NOT upgrade your PC and have the opportunity to get 100 of them things...

ES> is it possible somehow? In general, you can see it and launch something on it
ES>?

the best thing is to launch a brick at it :)

Good Luck...

... Madness takes its toll. Exact change, please.

>04 Apr 98 Tarasov Oleg, hoping that Everyone would read, wrote:
>
> TO> From: Tarasov Oleg <st...@fannet.ru>
> ^^^^^^^ ^^^^
>> Hello, Tarasov!
> TO> Uh-huh, hi. Can I just Oleg... :+)
>Can I? OK! Then, plz, swap your last name and first name. :)

OT> Approximately 150-160 rubles. How much is this or is it normal?
A lot. :(
Is it possible to issue blank boards?

OT> For this I say goodbye, Oleg.
OT>
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OT> * Origin: Demos online service (2:5020/400@fidonet)
Where can I send you soap? Are you writing here from the Internet?

ES> Specky gave all this before!
And now why doesn’t he? I recently launched Vaders (where you add up the numbers),
so an hour of time was blown away like an ax!

ES> I don’t like pussy that ends up in no one knows where. I don't
Tell me where it's going? People will eventually die out...
ES> I believe that without 3dfyx it is impossible to write fast code, which is also
This is true.
ES> does not require 200WeMyYx. (I ran Chasm on four, because it has graphs of monsters, better than QUKE)
There the engine on ASM.CHASM just squeezes all the juice out of the computer.

AG> [Description of the sophisticated computer is skipped]

AG> Imho this will no longer be a Spectrum, it will be some kind of incomprehensible
AG> monster that has compatibility (?) with the ZX Spectrum as a function.

I completely agree with you and even more: comrade TO, excuse the expression, is talking
some kind of nonsense, which (unfortunately) many here shared. Moreover, he says this
quite meaningfully, which leads to simple reasoning: either the person has no
idea in what state the Spectrum is now, or he writes
such things purely for the sake of entertainment.

Spirit, PR-division.

ES>> ten, who now have 286-486 and who want Pentiums, I’ll sign up for
ES>> Speck new and a licensed toy!

MR> yes... we’ve arrived... if they are complete idiots, so for the sake of one toy
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ - they are NOT complete idiots
MR> DO NOT upgrade your PC and have the opportunity to get 100 of these things...
IMHO it is better to play the _MOST_FAVORITE_GAME_, on your favorite platform, than to
upgrade your PC and play 100 different options one mediocre
(to put it mildly) suck.

AG> Imho it won't be a Spectrum anymore, it will be some kind of incomprehensible
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ - you can make it look like a Spectrum. IMHO it will be a Spectrum if you run a program from Speccy (Z80)
on it and which will do everything that the author of this program intended.

AG> a monster that has compatibility (?) with ZX Spectrum as a function. And
AG> besides, you need to look at things realistically: in order to develop
Yes, most of them have already been developed

AG> such a machine needs to spend a lot of time and money, which unfortunately
AG> no one has
AG>, and besides, if this machine is still made, then
AG> for some time it will remain pure iron, because the old software
AG> will not support all its bells and whistles, and neither will it be necessary to write a new one
Let the old software be there for now, it’s not bad either. You can’t immediately write a program for a new car, and even so that it [the program] supports all the bells and whistles. First
you need to implement at least the basics, and then take on these very bells and whistles.

AG> you need the same time and money.
Everything needs time and money, and also nerves :@(

Oh, kids, kids, kids... And you all missed one
important detail of my story... Namely, all this should
be plugged into an ordinary bus connector, WHICH is also present
on the branded SPEC. You don’t want any bells and whistles, don’t plug it in and
you will have the usual normal SPEC, you wanted something new
bought it, plug it in and it works... I’m sorry, is there a
mouse on the branded SPEC? No! But they did it... Stuck it in and now you have not a SPEC but some kind of monster... ;+)
So, sorry guys, but everything you said here is such garbage that you just don’t even know what to do, just throw up your hands..

> Spirit, PR-division.

For this I say goodbye, Oleg.

FOR: If something is wrong, write... ;)

> RM>
> RM> Come on, we need it urgently! You can use soap.
>
>REAL.SPECCY and CODE.ZX promised to give the dock an _already_existing_ controller
>ZXNext like. (for which
>there is a converted trdos)
>Really, is it worth creating what has already been created?
>
>But, it will be interesting to look at the Saratov version.
>
>With the best, Denis.
Good for you...
I have this one lotion...
Except in isdos, it doesn’t work...
And the modification of tr dos is that it is simply done
loading is dos from a screw and not from a floppy disk...
And that’s all
And we have something completely different...
Our own memory, our own ROM...
Okay...

For this I say goodbye, Oleg.

PS: True This device was taken as the basis for the development...

How can I tell you how much you count? Have you ever tried to develop a thread, calculate all costs, approximate profits? Moreover
calculate in such a way that, if possible, you don’t offend people and you yourself don’t end up at a loss? Try it at your leisure, it’s useful...
And 150-160 rubles, in my opinion, is now quite cheap, with an average
salary of 1000 rubles in the country...

09 Apr 98 01:37, Evgeny Onishko wrote for Evgen Shablitskiy:

EO> Hello Evgen.

EO> The platform should be INEXPENSIVE. As for not overly sophisticated - so
EO> it depends on the point of view. If a person works on Galaxy, or something else
EO>, then the Power MAC will seem to him like a calculator, which
EO> slows down, drawing a graph of the function y=sin(x). In fact, everything in this world
EO> depends on everyday conditions. A person who comes to a ZX-Sp128+AY with
EO> the same 286/1M/1.2/HGC (I had it 5 months ago) will be amazed at how a 600 kilogram floppy disk can hold a game (ChV) similar to which he dreamed and
EO> dreamed (WarCraft)! (True, I never dreamed about Warcraft and never dreamed about it).
For me, Warcraft II remains my favorite game. First of all
I was struck by the battle scenario. I have never seen such a well-thought-out plot before.
And about CV I can say one thing: I have never seen it and cannot judge it.
But it seems to me that if to all the advantages of this game we add music, in
the instruments cannot be distinguished from real ones, at least twice the resolution, modem game and digital sound - much more people would
play it.
If I see it, then I'll buy it. But I don't want to buy pirated versions, because... I've messed around with these floppy disks too often. When passing"Star
legacy" after leaving the island the game gave me a message that it would be a good idea to buy a licensed version. Five times later I came to those people and exchanged it for a new one, “modified and corrected.” As a result, the floppy disk cost me 50 thousand
!!! (By the way, there was decent money, considering that it was a hit)

ES>> do what you love: make music, games, train your brain
ES>> ! Specky gave all this before!
EO> But now why doesn’t he? I recently launched Vaders (there are numbers
EO> added up), so an hour of time was blown away!
Let's put it this way: I'm not satisfied with the sound of the music (I just heard it better) and
resolution, I'm not saying anything about interest, I spent a lot of time completing
"Target Renegad".

ES>> I don't like the piss, which turns up in an unknown direction. I
ES>> not
EO> Tell me where it turns? People will eventually die out...
ES>> I believe that without 3dfyx it is impossible to write fast code, which also
ES>>
EO> This is true.
ES>> does not require 200WeMyYx. (I ran Chasm on four, just
ES>> in terms of monster graphics, better than QUKE)
EO> There the engine is based on ASM.CHASM just squeezes all the juices out of the computer.
IMHO CHASM let down the level design.
It would be cool if such a game came out onSpectrum.
If a new Spectrum comes out, then a dual or triple
resolution from the original will be enough for me, at least 256 colors, good wave synthesis and digital sound.
By the way, on the new platform you can earn good money by releasing
licensed games, if of course this platform sells a good number of copies.

EO> Space is black. Stars are shiny. Earth is mortal.
Water - wet, sky - blue, Spectrum - forever.

With respect, Evgen.

ES> IMHO it’s better to play your _MOST FAVORITE_GAME_, on your favorite platform, than
ES> to upgrade your PC and play 100 different versions of one
ES> mediocre (to put it mildly said) sucks.

you know, in any case, they will receive the ORIGINAL OF THE MOST FAVORITE GAME,
and not a mediocre stripped-down counterfeit of the MOST FAVORITE GAME.
the money spent on both computers will be approximately equal... with
the only difference is that one will have one game, on the other 100. yes,
on the other you can painlessly run your MOST FAVORITE GAMES under
emulation

ES> I asked: not what to run in it, but what can be seen on it and
ES> run. Especially for you, I can repeat it again (and even more than once)
ES> :@))))))))))))

only a brick in this place is most appropriate...

Good Luck...

... Turn your 486 into a Gameboy, type WIN at the C:\>

I greet you from the bottom of my heart, Oleg!

Fri Apr 10 1998, Oleg Tarasov squeezed the keyboard, hoping that the following
words would reach All:

OT> What is REAL.SPECCY and how to get there?

Subscribe :) On the node from which you can be seen in Fido (2:5020/400)
it is available and, as far as I know, gated.

OT> + Origin: Demos online service (2:5020/400@fidonet)

Hasta la vista.
Tim Kelly

Denis Dmitriev <Denis.D...@p5.f110.n461.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:
>Great, Oleg!
Hello, hello!!

>Rulez! Could you ask the people?
>You may not be aware, but there is already so much
>hanging on this port... Modem according to the Kondratiev scheme, serial
>port by VIC, configuration port for expansions (screen, etc.),
>CMOS clock.
>So write down what _specific_ addresses you are going to use - maybe they are already taken...
If it’s not difficult, describe what it all is and how it doesn’t all
conflict with each other being at the same addresses? And if all
it works on one computer, then I’m just dragging myself...

>With the best, Denis.
>
For this I say goodbye, Oleg.

PS: You can use soap st...@fannet.ru

ES> ‰Ã— Õ≈Œ— Warcraft II - œ”‘¡≈‘”— ”¡Õœ  ÿ¬…Õœ  …«“œ . Ì≈Œ— –“≈÷ƒ≈ ◊”≈«œ
ES> –œ“¡⁄…à ”√≈Œ¡“…  ”“¡÷≈Œ… . Ù¡Àœ«œ fi≈‘Àœ –“œƒ’Õ¡ŒŒœ«œ ”¿÷≈‘¡ — “¡Œÿ€≈
ES> Œ…Àœ«ƒ¡ Œ≈ ◊…ƒ≈Ã.

ÙŸ ”≈“ÿ≈⁄Œœ? “…Õ≈‘…◊ŒŸ  AI, ¡ ”¿÷≈‘¡ - ◊œœ¬›≈ Œ…À¡Àœ«œ! Ρ“‘Ÿ Õ≈÷ƒ’ ”œ¬œ 
Œ…À¡À Œ≈ ”œ«Ã¡”’¿‘”—, ‘¡À fi‘œ œ "”√≈Œ¡“…… ”“¡÷≈Œ… " ”’ƒ…‘ÿ Œ≈ –“…»œƒ…‘”—. ÈÃ… —
fi‘œ-‘œ –“œ–’”‘…Ã?

Spirit^DR [s-novikov.usa.net]

10 Apr 98 23:04, Max Romanoff reported to Evgen Shablitskiy about {Spectrum, what
should it be? (it was Promotion...)}:

MR> you know, in any case, they will receive the ORIGINAL OF THE MOST FAVORITE GAME,
MR> and not a mediocre stripped-down fake of the MOST FAVORITE GAME.
MR> the money spent on both computers will be approximately equal... with
MR> the only difference is that on one there will be one game, on the other 100. yes,
MR> on the other you can painlessly run your MOST FAVORITE GAMES under
MR> emulation

Are you making arguments on the topic “sell the Amiga - buy a PC”? :))

Warm greetings, Slava!

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Hi, Oleg!

10 Apr 98, Oleg Tarasov writes to All:

OT> I apologize for the branded SPEC
OT> mouse? No! But they did it... Stuck it in and you no longer have a SPEC but a mon-
OT> some kind of page... ;+)

Listen, grandpa!
On the brand name there were the well-known Kempston Mouse and AMX Mouse, from the unknown -
maybe 5-6 more names. And they had their own interfaces.
So what - for 5 useful devices, plug in a battery of 5 controllers?
Or make All-In-One???
And if I use these devices all the time, it’s more pleasant for me to have them OnBoard.
Connectors are an unreliable thing, even if it’s a Soviet defense industry...

OT> So, sorry guys, but everything you said here such garbage,
OT> that you just don’t even know what to do, just throw up your hands..

If there is nothing else - yes, with your hands... ;))))))

With best wishes - Andrey Khristov (ha...@robin.alt.ru)

[Team Horse Aviation] [Team beer, girls & sofa]
[Team Electric Welding Must Die!] [Team Khasan Border Guards]

11 Apr 98 17:45, Spirit wrote for Evgen Shablitskiy:

ES>> For me, Warcraft II remains my favorite game. I
ES>> was first of all struck by the battle scenario. I have never seen such a clearly thought out
ES>> plot before.

S> Are you serious? Remarkable AI, but no plot at all! The maps do not agree with each other in any way, so there is no need to judge the “battle scenario”. Or did I miss something?

I don't want to seem rude, but you probably forgot to put "IMHO". :-/
I don't want to argue with you about "Warcraft II", besides it has
no relation to this conference. Just think that this game is from 95 and
it is still played, and quite a lot of people.
On this, I think, no more questions will arise.

With respect, Evgen.

VM> Are you making arguments on the topic “sell the Amiga - buy a PC”? :). datinformation.

DD> Rulez! Could you ask the people?
DD> You may not be aware, but there are already so many things hanging on this port
DD>...
DD> Modem according to the Kondratiev scheme,
#xxEF. Decoding according to A4. A11 participates in NMI key management.

Good luck! Evgeny.

■ The night is shorter than the day... The day will kill me... The world of illusions burns down in it. (C) Aria.

Maxim, you didn’t understand me. Remember how the argument started.
Now what I mean:
let's say I'm a fan of "Star Legacy". This game, this particular one, is not available on any platform other than ZX-SPECTRUM. For this game I buy
ZX-SPECTRUM. But this is one option. It's just that the ZX-Spectrum was my first computer, and that's something you never forget. And I want him to become better and at the same time
not lose his qualities.
Now Specky does not have enough power. If Specky were more powerful + our
programmers - it would be a real alternative to the 486DX, I think they haven't gotten everything out of these
computers. Billy just came with his “revolutionary” windows
95 and the system requirements immediately jumped up.
In the case of Specky, IMHO you need to do the opposite, i.e. increase the speed and
performance of the system to make it more convenient and much more interesting for programmers to
implement their projects.

ES> I don't want to seem rude, but you probably forgot to put
ES> "IMHO". :-/ I don't want to argue with you about "Warcraft II", besides
ES> it has nothing to do with this conference. Just think that
ES> this game is from 95 and it is still played, and quite a lot of people.
ES> On this, I think, no more questions will arise.

but no one remembered about the graphics because they ruled.
ps. ours did

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Saturday April 11 1998 23:39, Denis Dmitriev ─── Tarasov Oleg:

DD> Modem connection diagram according to M. Kondratiev, the oldest of all and therefore
DD> the most unstable in compatibility:
DD> #x0F7..#x6F7,#x8F7..#xEF7 - modem ports.
Three mistakes, colleague. :))
1) The Kondratiev circuit is largely compatible with the same modem "Allegro" aka
"C-DOS".
2) The range of hayes modem ports in it: #x0EF - #x7EF and #x8EF - #xFEF
3) Of all the ones I have seen, the Kondratiev circuit is the most successful and stable.

DD> ^ this means that the decryption circuit absolutely does not care about the state of these
DD> bits. In my terminal they are all in “1”, but in some others they are in “0”,
DD> which causes the selection of all of the above at once (with a bad decryption scheme
DD>).
Decryption occurs _only_ along A4. Therefore, the state of all other
bits (except A11) does not matter. By the way, what is a “bad decryption scheme”?
I know only one decryption scheme for Hayes' Kondratieff connection scheme - the Kondratieff scheme itself. ;)))

OT> What is REAL.SPECCY and how to get there? And the ports
Echo are so fidosh, they are available on the 5020/400.

OT> were chosen simply
OT>. All the latest bells and whistles for SPECA were considered,
OT> the most promising ones were selected and the ports were delivered
OT> so that
OT> would not conflict with them, and if possible not
OT> would not conflict with
OT> other bells and whistles, that's all...
Were bells and whistles for the Pentagon from V.M.G. considered? And a serial
port for Speck by VIC?

ES>> this has nothing to do with this conference. Just think
ES>> that this game is from '95

The year doesn't mean anything. In terms of graphics and music, WC2 is simply magnificent. But the AI, to put it mildly, let us down. The computer doesn’t even know how to properly build units, thanks
to which creating your own maps in the editor (which I once did) is a futile exercise: having collected millions of gold, the stupid computer categorically
refuses to even occasionally produce units, although there are plenty of farms, and all the conditions
contribute to this.

ES>> and they still play it,

They also play Jet Seth Willie.

ES>> and quite a few people.

I’m telling you, I only have complaints about the elementary stupidity of the computer.

PF> but no one remembered about the graphics because they rule.
PF> ps. did ours
f
Graphics in Warcraft 2? 8)

Spirit^DR [s-no...@usa.net]

ES> Maxim, you didn’t understand me. Remember where the argument began.

I understand... this topic is not new here...

ES> this one is not on any platform except the ZX-SPECTRUM. For the sake of this game, I

on other platforms you can have this game under the emulator.

ES> I buy ZX-SPECTRUM. But this is one option. It's just that the ZX-Spectrum was my first computer, and that's something you never forget. And I want him to agree. There are many people like you in this echo. nostalgic...
emulators...

ES> is better and at the same time has not lost its qualities.

this is impossible... for this you need to invest a lot of money in
the development of a SUPER CHEAP computer, and funds to support SUPER COOL
coders who will produce a TON of everything...

ES> Now Specky doesn't have enough power. If Specky were more powerful + our

he would always have enough power, the main thing is to do it wisely and not try to
outdo something...

ES> programmers - this would be a real alternative to the 486DX, I think they haven’t squeezed everything out of these
ES> computers. Billy just came with his “revolutionary”
ES> windows 95 and the system requirements immediately jumped up.

not only. It’s just that people are starting to forget about ASM, and they write in
other languages, some out of laziness, some for reasons of portability
and speed of writing...

ES> In the case of Specky, IMHO it is necessary to do the opposite, i.e. increase speed and
ES>system performance, so that it is more convenient and much more interesting for programmers to implement their projects.

it will be the same as on the PC. programmers will not write everything
in ASMA, but will create a language with which you can quite easily
implement various things without suffering on the hardware...

ES> Have you seen Sprinter?

yes. sucks. for the money they want for it, you CAN buy
something more sophisticated... with software...

The Sprinter is good for everyone, but to reduce the cost you need to switch to other
technologies that are by no means cheap...

Yes, after all, such not
very powerful consoles as GameBOY and the like are still popular all over the world... on them they write
games, they sell...

conclusion? Buy GameBOY for 300 rub. better than something for 1000 rubles... without
programs...

Good Luck...

... Access denied--nah nah na nah nah!

12 Apr 98 03:37, Vyacheslav Mednonogov wrote to Max Romanoff:

MR>> friend 100. yes, on another you can painlessly run the MOST
MR>> FAVORITE GAMES under emulation

VM> You are the one giving arguments on the topic “sell the Amiga - buy PC"? :))

Wow, woah. We've had enough of our lazy Amiga guys. For several years on the Amiga there is still no normal Spectrum emulator. They did that under BC.

I have already started to get rid of myself on the Amiga - in the PC emulator I launch the Uglekov Spectrum emulator and in the latter I run games. But the speed is weak even on 68060. The coolest thing is that everything works (even the demo version of your “Black Crow”).

Vladimir Bogdanovitch.

S> f
S> Graphics in Warcraft 2? 8)

Pasha was probably mistaken. There’s just an office in St. Petersburg (AMI) that currently produces hand-drawn graphics for Warcraft Adventure.

VB> Wow, wow. We've had enough of our lazy Amiga guys. For several years on the Amiga
VB> there is still no normal Spectrum emulator. They did that
VB> under BC.

Yes-ah... But in St. Petersburg J.Stunner+MaxxPetrov are doing this
(did they?) Max Romanoff tried to portray something there :)) I don't have enough
qualifications...

VB> I've already started to get rid of myself on the Amiga - I run the emulator in the PC emulator
VB> Spectrum Uglekov and in the last game. But the speed is weak even on
VB> 68060. The coolest thing is that everything works (even the demo version of your
VB> "Black Raven").

Just like Logros - his Amiga, in terms of saturation with writing software, has already
turned into a small Pentium. This means that you have already “reached the point” :) and it’s time to buy a pair with the Amiga PC. By the way, do you write compacts from the Amiga? 8-[ ]

Again about Logros: he received a letter (not from Moscow) that somewhere in Russia
they began to publish a new Amiga magazine (printed!), like replacing Inforcom's
"Amiga - Guide". There were even prices (for color and black and white versions). What kind of animal is this?

With warm greetings, Slava!

ps\ again it turned out to be off-topic:|

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Sp> f
Sp> Graphics in Warcraft 2? 8)

yeah, and absolutely reliably, my friend works at the AMI studio
(has nothing to do with the aftertopic)

PF>> ◊œ ¡ –“œ «“¡∆…À’ Œ…À‘œ Œ≈ ◊”–œÕŒ…à –œ‘œÕ’ À¡À œŒ¡ “’Ã≈⁄.
PF>> ps. Œ¡€… ƒ≈áÅ

Sp>> Á“¡∆…À’ ◊ ˜œ“À“¡∆‘≈ 2? 8)

PF> ¡«¡ , –“…fi≈Õ ¡¬”œÃ¿‘Œœ ƒœ”‘œ◊≈“Œœ, ’ Õ≈Œ— ƒ“’« Œ¡ ”‘’ƒ…… AMI “¡¬œ‘¡≈‘
PF> (À ¡∆‘œ–…À’ Œ…À¡Àœ«œ œ‘Œœ€≈Œ…— Œ≈ …Õ≈≈‘)

‰¡ Œ’... Ìœ÷≈‘ Œ≈¬œÃÿ€’¿ fi¡”‘ÿ «“¡∆…À…... H’ ¡ ‹‘…Õ Œ≈‘ œ”œ¬œ«œ “≈⁄œŒ¡
«œ“ƒ…‘ÿ”—...

Spirit^DR [s-no...@usa.net]

VM> Yes-ah... But in St. Petersburg J.Stunner+MaxxPetrov are doing this
VM> (they were doing?) Max Romanoff tried to portray something there :)) No
VM> lacks qualifications...

what is in parentheses...

S> f
S> Graphics in Warcraft 2? 8)

VM> Pasha was probably mistaken. It’s just that there is an office in St. Petersburg (AMI), which
VM> is now making hand-drawn graphics for Warcraft Adventure.

Pasha was not mistaken, Pasha talked with a man who worked there for two years.

VM> (were you working on it?) Max Romanoff tried to depict something there :)) Not
VM> enough qualifications...

there was enough before everything died on the screw. but everything was moving
at a very good pace.... it's a pity...

VM> ps\ again it turned out to be off-topic:|

VM> [ Powered by Windows'95 ]

yes, but it's all BILL's fault :)

Good Luck...

... Anything you can, AMIGA can do better!

18 Apr 98 00:57, Paul Falcon reported to Spirit about {What...?!}:

Sp>> Graphics in Warcraft 2? 8)

PF> yeah, and absolutely reliably, I have a friend who works at the AMI studio
PF> (has nothing to do with the aftertopic)

Pasha - don’t drive the wave :) Is your friend Misha S.? Have you seen at least one work from AMI
(Capital Multimedia)? Style - typical "Pilot Brothers", i.e.
_cartoon_ graphics.

VM> Pasha - don’t drive the wave :) Is your friend Misha S.? Have you seen at least one

Misha Spitsyn work there ;)

VM> work from AMI (Capital Multimedia)? Style - typical "Brothers
VM> Pilots", i.e. _cartoon_ graphics.

in another week I’ll prove my words to you.

here’s a quote from our conversation: 'Blizzard is a good customer and
can bring any user with its projects'

PF> Pasha was not mistaken, Pasha spoke with a man who worked there for two
PF> years.

It’s strange that there is no mention of them in the credits of WC2 :)

Warm greetings, Slava!

The person simply mystified you :)

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VM>> “¡¬œ‘’ œ‘ ·ÌÈ (Capital Multimedia) ◊…ƒ≈Ã? Û‘…Ãÿ - ‘…–…fiŒŸ≈ "‚“¡‘ÿ—
VM>> …Ãœ‘Ÿ", ‘.≈. _Õ’Ãÿ‘…–Ã…À¡√…œŒŒ¡—_ «“¡∆…À¡.

PF> fi≈“≈⁄ Œ≈ƒ≈ÃÿÀ’ ƒ“’«’¿ — ‘≈¬≈ ƒœÀ¡÷’ ”◊œ… ”Ãœ◊¡.

PF> ◊œ‘ ‘≈¬≈ √…‘¡‘¡ …⁄ Œ¡€≈«œ “¡⁄«œ◊œ“¡ : '∆…“Õ¡ ¬Ã…⁄¡“ƒ »œ“œ€…  ⁄¡À¡⁄fi…À …
PF> Õœ÷≈‘ ƒœ◊≈”‘… ÿ¬œ«œ ¿⁄≈“¡ ”◊œ…Õ… –“œ≈À‘¡Õ…'

H’ … fi‘œ ‹‘œ ƒœÀ¡⁄Ÿ◊¡≈‘? ˛‘œ œŒ… “…”œ◊¡Ã… ◊”¿ Á“¡∆…À’ ◊ ˜œ“À“¡∆‘≈? H≈ ◊≈“¿. ·
◊œ‘ Õ’Ãÿ‘…À ƒÃ— WC Adventures ◊ Starcraft'≈ - ◊–œÃŒ≈ ◊≈“œ—‘Œœ.

Spirit^DR [s-no...@usa.net]

22 Apr 98 11:12, Spirit communicated with Paul Falcon about {Gfx 4 WCII}:

PF>> here's a quote from our conversation: 'the Blizzard company is a good customer
PF>> and can bring any user with its projects'

S> Well, what does this prove? Why did they draw all the Graphics in Warcraft? I don’t believe it.
S> But a cartoon for WC Adventures in Starcraft is quite likely.

They do all the graphics for it. So, this is their style. 2PF: I have a friend who works there too. 3 years. And I’ve seen (almost) all of their work.

Warm greetings, Slava!

ps\ Can we stop with this off-topic topic? Otherwise Zhavoronkov will wake up ;))

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PF> in another week I will prove my words to you.

PF> here’s a quote from our conversation: “Blizzard is a good customer and
PF> can bring any user with its projects”

Sp> Well, what does this prove? Why did they draw all the Graphics in Warcraft? I don't believe it. But a cartoon for WC Adventures in Starcraft is quite likely.

but it doesn’t prove anything, so I took it and wrote it. and they had nothing
to do with StarCraft.

By the way, don’t forget, AMI is a bourgeois company, and we only have a branch with cheap
labor.

VM> It’s strange that there is no mention of them in the credits of WC2:)

and that’s what I have to do with it.

VM> Warm greetings,
VM> Glory!
VM> Threat, the person simply mystified you :)

no, I’ll prove the opposite, soon.

I’m sitting here, reading, and suddenly I see Vyacheslav Mednonogov writes to Spirit...

Hi Vyacheslav!

S> Well, what does this prove? Why did they draw all the Graphics in Warcraft? I don’t believe it.
S> But a cartoon for WC Adventures in Starcraft is quite likely.

VM> They do all the graphics for it. So, this is their style. 2PF: I
VM> have a friend who works there too. 3 years. And I’ve seen (almost) all of their work.

An acquaintance who does not have access to Fido asked me to send this letter... Please send an answer
to my address, and I will give it to him...

=== Cut ===
From : Maxim Jarnikow Wed 21 Apr 98 10:24
To : Vyacheslav Mednonogov
Subj : CV: to be or not to be...
─────────────────────────────────── ─────────────────────── ─────────────────────

HeY, Vyacheslav!

Once in the winter I heard that a subj game had appeared and immediately decided that I needed to buy it... Having received a dozen copies from Ruster, and subsequently from Alexey the same number, as a result of which I ended up on the list of traders, but more on that later, I was pleasantly surprised.
The troubles began the very next day after its release in sale. :(
People who bought it began to come and demand a refund :-( citing
the fact that it does not work on their computer.
Well, that’s what I’m talking about. As it turned out, the game does not work on “Krasnodar” and
“Impulse”. The first disk is all OK. But when you try to load something from
the second, the drive jerks its head and stubbornly does not read. :-(
The reason for this trouble lies, firstly, in the separate memory field of these models, and secondly, I think, in the location of the bootloader in the brake memory page. In a word, the continuation of the story with UFO 1-2, which are also in the proprietary versionthey completely refuse to work.
By the way, I have a Pentagon.
After discovering this problem, I talked with Alexey and he offered me
to return the money for unclaimed copies. But I need a GAME, not “MONEY”!
I paid a total of 550 rubles for 20 copies, i.e. 110 was spent on shipping and paying for the phone - no one will return them to me, and I’m not going to demand this, because... this will be compensated anyway, but people want to play
and not look at the discs.

In connection with this, I have a request, although you will most likely refuse:
- Release a “special edition” - running on “Impuls” :-) which I will
purchase from you.
- Either the crackers will do it, and they will do it - sooner or later it will happen anyway
:(

Anticipating further “reviews” I can only say that I did everything
in my power to distribute the legal version of the game, but the
“version” itself is against me, so don’t blame me.

And lastly, I want to inform you that some of our comrades installed
a small hardware upgrade with which this game starts to load,
but it only works on "Krasnodar", but on "Impuls" it cannot be
implemented!?! Due to the hardware features of the computer, and only three people installed it, and there are an order of magnitude of users.more.

For this I don’t say goodbye, but say Goodbye!
Sincerely, Maxim!

P.S. My personal score is 9/3, I don’t have enough time, and the other day a guy I know
completed IT for both humans and kungs.
=== Cut ===

Kostya.

25 Apr 98 at 21:06 Vyacheslav Mednonogov having drunk a bottle of beer, wrote
for Vyacheslav Mednonogov the following:

KL> Hello, Vyacheslav.

KL> An acquaintance who does not have access to Fido asked me to send this letter... Please
KL> send the answer to mine address, and I'll give it to him...

KL> === Cut ===
KL> From : Maxim Jarnikow Wed 21 Apr 98 10:24
KL> To : Vyacheslav Mednonogov
KL> Subj : CV: to be or not to be...
KL> ──────────────────── ─────────────────────
KL> ────
KL> HeY, Vyacheslav!

[...skp...]

KL> In connection with which I have a request, although you will most likely refuse:
KL> - Release a "special edition" - powered by "Impulses" :-) which I
KL> will purchase from you.
KL> - Or they will do it crackers, and they will do it - sooner or later it will happen anyway
KL>. :(
IMHO, the only thing that can be done is to make the second part so that it
works on any computer.
KL> Anticipating further “reviews” I can only say that I did everything
KL> in my power to distribute the legal version of the game, but the
KL> “version” itself is against me, so don’t blame me.

With The Best Wishes. [TEAM Speccy-r00leZ] [TEAM X-fILes]
[TEAM ┼he Pr0d!9Y] MaGeLan.

25 Apr 98 21:06, Kostya Levichev reported to Vyacheslav Mednonogov about {Re: Black
raven...}:

KL> that it does not work on their computer. Well, that's what I mean. As it turned out
KL> the game does not work on Krasnodar and Impulse. The first disk - everything is OK. But
KL> when you try to load something from the second one, the drive jerks its head and
KL> stubbornly does not read. - "slow" pages should
work 15-25% slower. There shouldn't be any other side effects, but no :(

KL> In a word, the continuation of the story with UFO 1-2, which also in
KL> completely refuse to work.

Naturally, two years have passed - and everyone was silent (about UFO1/2). They suddenly
came to their senses. after all, I can only correct what is reported. And with
specific recommendations (I have never seen “Krasnodar” / “Impulses” in my life).

VM> I heard about this (from Minsk spektrumists) - there
VM> many such gadgets have been installed. In their opinion, for the VM> in order for
the bootloader to work normally,
VM> it was necessary to restore
VM> register I when working with TR-DOS. Shamanism? Or should it work?
It worked with UFO2 in Krasnodar. When accessing the disk -
I <= #3f.

With best regards, Denis.

VM> What is required of me? (I’ll tell you right away what I can’t do:
VM> move the bootloader, move the interrupt table, remove
VM> executable code from #4000-#8000). By the way, these restrictions will also apply to
VM> ChV-2.
Yeahhh... Well then you can give up on this matter imho! :( Because this, in my opinion
is the main thing to achieve performance on such fossilized cars! Although
in general it only makes sense to move the interrupt table, imho only
this entails fatal glitches, everything else just slows down... Although
I can’t say anything for sure :(
By the way, why not the interrupt table move it, it’s small? Where is it stuffed?

Saturday May 02 1998 11:50, Alexander Grimalovsky wrote to Vyacheslav
Mednonogov:

[...]

AG> PS: The Czechs told me here on IRC that it turns out that Binary Love
AG> _NORMALLY_ works on branded cars! :))) And this despite the fact that it
AG> was entirely written on the Pentagon and Scorpio! That's where it gets crazy! :)))

What's cool? You knew about all the problems from the very beginning and adjusted to the general standards in advance. It’s true there was nowhere to check, maybe this is the rule?

=)

cYa, aR7Y/dR/FW · · · ··· Email: ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · · · · ·

AH> What's wrong? You knew about all the problems from the very beginning and adjusted to the general standards in advance
AH>. It’s true there was nowhere to check,
AH> maybe this is the problem?
AH> =)
Yeah, in it! Well, to be honest, it was just cool to try to write a demos taking into account all these requirements! As it turned out, it worked out, and even seemed
not bad, but the desire to repeat it again (in the sense of supporting all
of these cars) does not arise yet, because... They impose a lot of restrictions on the quality of effects! :(

AG> Nope, not shamanism, when accessing TR-DOS it should be: IM 1, I=#3F,
AG> IY=#5C3A! And this is necessary, otherwise - glitches!

I don’t understand :( After all, while I’m working with tr-dos, interruptions are prohibited. What kind of thing is this?
What are the physical principles of the process? :)

AG> But in general, these are still flowers! I was told here that if when
AG> initializes the Mouzon player, the AY registers are not zeros, then on Timex
AG> (there is such a branded car) everything will reset! :) That's where the glitches are! :).

KL> stubbornly does not read. :-( The reason for this problem lies firstly in the
KL> separate memory field of these models, and secondly, as I think, in
KL> the location of the bootloader in the brake memory page.

At one time, I carefully studied this problem and made quite a few games load normally on "Krasnodar" (PANIC DIZZY, TRANTOR, DRAGON S., LASER SQUAD
(modem version), GAUNTLET 3 ...), you can’t even remember them all. It’s not just about slow pages. As a rule, then, and probably now, it was very fashionable to attach all sorts of glitches to the interruption (demos, etc.), and then turn it off. and
continue loading. Oh, this is where the problem with “Krasnodar” arises - you need
to remember to restore the I register to the default, I don’t remember now, it seems
3F. And then everything will be OK and the slowed-down turbo loaders will really be turbo, etc., etc. I did this and had no problems, except in ELITE 3 I couldn’t open up the protection in order to insert interruption restoration somewhere, so I loaded for about 5 minutes.
So, coders, don’t forget to insert the sequence of
commands before accessing the disk:

LD A, #3F
LD I, A
IM 1

I don’t remember about register IY, whether I need to do something with it or not, I don’t think I did
anything.

All to you...
PiGo AKA -_\PWL/_-
V/┤lery

...
...
AG> Yeah, in it! Well, to be honest, it was just cool
AG> to try to write
AG> a demos taking into account all these requirements! As it turned out,
AG> worked out, and it even seems to be
AG> not bad, but the desire to repeat it again (in the
AG> sense of supporting all
AG> of these cars) does not arise yet, because too much
Well, in demos this is probably not necessary. But in the subject it would be very
desirable. There are still many computers with a separate memory field. I also had one like this once, but I changed the board in time. Just before the release of UFO-2. :) Although I still
didn’t know that it wouldn’t work on her.

All the best.
With respect, Roman Milukov.

Once Valery Pigo wrote to Vyacheslav Mednonogov:

VP> there is a problem with “Krasnodar” - you need to remember to restore
VP> register I to the default, I don’t remember now, it seems 3F. And then everything will be
VP> OK and the slowed down turbo loaders will really be turbo, etc. etc. VP himself personally, as I already said, did all this and no problems, but in
In fact, the main thing is that register I does not point to memory #4000-#7fff and to
memory #c000-#ffff. Those. if I=#bf, then the last byte of the plate will be #c000 - there will be brakes. This is due to the fact that memory is connected to these areas, which is physically located in the same chips as the screens. The result is an average braking of 25%.

... Lazy of ETC Group (ZX & PC) - with the best wishes to friendly guyz !

06 May 98 13:41, Valery Pigo reported by Vyacheslav Mednonogov about {Re: Black
raven...}:

VP> So, coders, do not forget to insert
VP> the sequence of commands before accessing the disk:

VP> LD A,#3F
VP> LD I,A
VP> IM 1

OK, if we don’t receive any other proposals, we’ll settle for this.

VP> I don’t remember about the IY register, whether I need to do something with it or not, I
VP> didn’t seem to do anything.

Or maybe you didn’t use it at all :)

Warm greetings, Slava!

[ St. Petersburg Football Club "Zenit" - champion of Russia in 1998 ]

08 May 98 00:15, Eugene Mironchuk reported to Valery Pigo about {Black Raven...}:

EM> In fact, the main thing is that register I does not point to memory #4000-#7fff and
EM> to memory #c000-#ffff. Those. if I=#bf, then the last byte of the sign will be
EM> #c000 - there will be brakes. This is due to the fact that memory is connected to these areas
EM>, which is physically located in the same microcircuits as the screens.
EM> The result is an average slowdown of 25%.

I understood this. And you still can’t get rid of -25% (in the subject, the executable code goes completely from #4000 to #FFFF). I just always thought that 25% is not such a scary number that it would cause the bootloader to hang. Moreover, when working with a disk, DIs are
stuck everywhere.

09 May 98 13:41, Dmitry Pugachev reported by Vyacheslav Mednonogov about {Black
raven...}:

DP> Slav, how and where you can get subj and wax it will rise.

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Vyacheslav Mednonogov ┌┐│/│Ca/\ k Eugene Mironchuk ┌┐p0 Black Crow... :

├┤i Vyacheslav & Eugene !

[...]

VM> all the way from #4000 to #FFFF). I just always thought that 25% is not such a
terrible
VM> figure that it would cause the bootloader to hang. Moreover, when working with a disk, everywhere
VM> are stuck with DIs.

And according to unverified data, regeneration is to blame. you need LD I,#b=ROM

Wi7h be57 Wi5he5, FK0.

-+- SMM version 1.08

VM> Or maybe you didn’t use it at all :)

I don’t remember what I did with it, it’s just that someone wrote that IY should
be IY=#5C3A. I think this is worth clarifying.

EM> In fact, the main thing is that register I does not point to memory #4000-#7fff and
EM> to memory #c000-#ffff. Those. if I=#bf, then the last byte of the sign will be
EM> #c000 - there will be brakes. This is due to the fact that memory is connected to these areas
EM>, which is physically located in the same chips as the screens.
EM> The result is an average slowdown of 25%.

VM> I don’t understand:( After all, while I’m working with tr-dos, interruptions are prohibited.
VM> What is this? What are the physical principles of the process? :)
Well, who cares about them! :) However, the fact remains a fact! By the way, the location
IM2 table is not in fast memory is also very critical - there will be terrible glitches (but
I think I already wrote this)

EM>> #4000-#7fff and into memory #c000-#ffff. Those. if I=#bf, then the last byte
EM>> of the plate will be #c000 - there will be brakes. This is due to the fact that memory is connected to these
EM>> areas, which is physically located in the same
EM>> chips as the screens. The result is an average braking of 25%.

VP> I didn’t know about this clarification, well, I think restoring it to default still wouldn’t hurt
VP>.
Of course!

Yes, as far as I know, in the regeneration cycle, register R is allocated to the lower half of the address bus, and register I is allocated to the higher half !!! Hardware understands this as
accessing video memory - once or twice and WAIT that percentage. What a joke.

RM> Well, in demos this is probably not necessary.
Well, don’t tell me! Why should people bother with non-Pentagons? Although at one time
I sold my screwed up Scorpio and bought the Pentagon, I remember very well those
times when all of us demos went to look at Oz's on the other side of the city, because
he was the only one who had the Pentagon :)
Although, as I wrote above, supporting such cars makes it much more difficult writing a demo and => reduces the quality of the effects :( So I’ll say right away that the new
demo from DR will be recorded _under_Pentagon_!

RM> But in the subject it would be very
RM> desirable. There are still a lot of computers with a separate memory field. I also had one
RM> once, but I changed the board in time. How once before the release
RM> UFO-2 :) Although I didn’t know yet that it wouldn’t work on it.
:) Naturally, support for such machines in games is very desirable, because these are
programs for everyone. And therefore, a question for the owners of such fossil cars:

How does the demo version of Megaball behave on such machines?

11 May 98 00:54, 500:812/22.01 reported by Vyacheslav Mednonogov about {Black
raven...}:

> And according to unverified data, regeneration is to blame. you need LD AND,#b=ROM

Don’t you have English letters ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

But you still have to make a version for Krasnodar :(

Warm greetings, Slava!

[ St. Petersburg football club "Zenit" - champion of Russia in 1998 ]

VP>> still won’t hurt.
EM> Of course!
And yet agree to store the sign somewhere within the range of #8000 - #BD00 very
inconvenient. When is it more convenient to throw it at the beginning of a program like #6000 and not suffer? And there is already a proverb - “it’s better to remake the hardware once than every time
prog” (c) Disabler/OHG

EM> ... Lazy of ETC Group (ZX & PC) - with the best wishes to friendly
EM> guyz !

Wiz zE BeSt WisHeZ 2 U!
-=JoCkeR/OmEga HaCkErS Grp/1998year=-

Vyacheslav Mednonogov <Vyacheslav...@p12.f461.n5030.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:
> Get Msg, All!
>
> Question to those who played the subject (or demo): are they needed? flashing
>message indicators?
>
> Warm greetings, Slava!
>
> [ St. Petersburg football club "Zenit" - champion of Russia in 1998 ]

*** Answering a msg posted in area FROM_COPPER_FEET (FROM_COPPER_FEET).

I greet you from the bottom of my heart, Vyacheslav!

Mon May 18, 1998, Vyacheslav Mednonogov squeezed the keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach All
:

VM> Question to those who played the subject (or demo): Do we need flashing
VM> message indicators?

Yes, they seem to help you navigate very much.

Hasta la vista.
Tim Kelly

VM> flashing message indicators?

What would we do without them? Maybe you decided to put squeaks on the speaker? =)

Sorry, we brought fresh beer...

/ musicmaker \
__KLIM/Omega Hackers Group/MFA'98__

Hallo Andy!

Tuesday May 19, 1998 23:34, Andy Harchenko wrote to Eugene Mironchuk:

AH> Yes, and there is already a proverb - “it’s better to remake the hardware once than
AH> to prog every time” (c) Disabler/OHG

Convince hundreds of computer users of this. They have a much more
fair opinion that it is easier to remake the program once than for each
user to tinker with their computer...

Sincerely, George

21 May 98 09:56, Tarasov Oleg reported All about {Re: Black Raven...}:

>> Question to those who played the subject (or demo): are flashing
>> message indicators needed?

TO> Slav, what messages are you talking about? I didn’t see anything flashing there
TO>...

There are six indicator icons below. They blink when they are attacking, someone is lined up,
born, etc.

EM>>> #4000-#7fff and into memory #c000-#ffff. Those. if I=#bf, then
EM>>> the last byte of the sign will be #c000 - there will be brakes. This is due
EM>>> to the fact that memory is connected to these areas, which is physically
EM>>> located in the same chips as the screens. It turns out
EM>>> braking on average by 25%.
VP>> I didn’t know about this clarification, well, I think restoring the default
VP>> still won’t hurt.
EM> Of course!

TO> nothing
TO> I didn’t see anything blinking...
And the icons in the lower right corner, why aren’t they blinking? ;)

Sincerely, Andrey.

... The hedgehog is a proud bird: if you kick it, it won’t fly!

VM> Question to those who played the subject (or demo): do
VM> need flashing message indicators?
So what! Of course we need it!!! although if you somehow inform your friend about
what is happening at the other end of the map then...

I hit you with my forehead, Vyacheslav!

Somehow, namely on May 18, 98, Vyacheslav Mednonogov wrote to All this:

VM> Question to those who played the subject (or demo): are flashing ones necessary
VM> indicator messages?
Of course! At least the indicators of construction and battle (we are kneading/we are being kneaded).

Hy pakeda, Vyacheslav, pakeda!
[Team vp Alos MUST DIE!]

> Below are six indicator icons. They flash when they are attacking, someone has lined up,
>was born, etc.
>
> Warm greetings, Slava!
>
> [ St. Petersburg football club "Zenit" - champion of Russia in 1998 ]

VM> Question to those who played the subject (or demo): do
VM> need flashing message indicators?
I mainly paid attention to the indicators of building destruction and
enemy attack. Less - building a unit.
And the indicator of your own attack was not noticed at all - there is no time for it during active
combat operations ;)

With the best, Denis.

Thursday May 21, 1998 right at 11:44, George Shepelev wrote to Andy Harchenko:

AH>> Yes, and there is already a proverb - “it’s better to remake the hardware once than
AH>> a program every time” (c) Disabler/OHG

GS> Convince hundreds of computer users of this. They have much more
Easily, Microsoft convinced us why we can’t?! ;)))

GS> fair opinion that it is easier to remake a program once than for each
GS> user to tinker with their computer...
One program, yes, but not all!

GS> Sincerely George

Thursday May 21, 1998 right at 09:39, Alexander Grimalovsky wrote to Andy Harchenko:

AH>> “it’s better to remake the hardware once than to remake the program every time” (c)
AH>> Disabler/OHG
AG> Yeah, and will you run with a soldering iron to every user who bought your
AG> program? :)
Usually, a normal user himself must take care that his computer
works normally. You see, for example, I can’t fix a program for something that I don’t have at hand, even if I have some information. If I have such a feature, I
do it, if not, go ahead.

AG> Personally, I always have the IM2 sign #BE00 - no problems
AG> have arisen so far...
Well, that’s great, and in #6000 I haven’t had any problems either.

AG> With best wishes,
AG> Flying/DR

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Vyacheslav Mednonogov ┌┐│/│Ca/\ k All ┌┐p0 Black Raven... :

├┤i Vyacheslav & All !

[...]

VM> Question to those who played the subject (or demo): are flashing
VM> message indicators necessary?

It is necessary! And so that it gurgles for visibility!

VM>> flashing message indicators?

GK> What would we do without them? Maybe you decided to put squeaks on the speaker? =)

No, I want to update the dashboard - so I’m thinking about how to free up space.

Messages about what?

With this, Vyacheslav, let me say goodbye.
KIR.

AH> Usually, a normal user himself must take care that his computer
AH> works normally.
Maybe you can give owners of cars with a separate memory field a circuit to
turn their cars into Pentagons? ;))) It will be popular, for sure
I say!

AH> You see, for example, I can’t fix a program for something
AH> that I don’t have at hand, even if I have some information. If
AH> I have such a feature, I do it, if not, please.

AH>> Easily, Microsoft convinced us why we can’t?! ;)))

MR> Microsoft did not convince anyone.

here I agree.

MR> they simply confronted the fact that
MR> besides their product there is nothing similar. from the very beginning. as soon as the pc appeared... that’s all we got, hostage
MR> necrosoft... don’t like it, but what to do... bill you, and no one
MR> will convince anyone. If you don't like it, don't work. It’s just that all new
MR> programs are designed specifically for its shell, and not for any other.

but not here.

MR> so that you have nowhere to go. :)

LINUX

--
Regards,
Random,
ran...@cybermail.net

yes, we’ll get by somehow (see team)
--
so they’ll throw the first ninja here?
I’ll die of nostalgia
:)

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