Quite seriously (development of a legally impeccable SOS project)

Apparently you are not carefully reading the bazaar on the topic of SOS, since you did not
understand my position.
And from the very beginning it was this: to make the project legally impeccable.
First, develop documents (the project), discuss, bring to the attention of everyone
and only then, having created a legal structure, and not a “network underground” center,
proceed to actions.
I deliberately do not respond to all your messages here, I will answer with soap.
But don’t bury the idea itself!
Criticism is great, but constructive criticism. And if all this seems nonsense to you, then why so much emotion in response? A short message is enough, one
"all this is nonsense and nonsense!" - that's all. And if you get involved in a discussion, it means
there really is something worthwhile in this idea.
Okay, let’s say you discourage Sergei and me from doing this.
It’s good if you yourself have a real plan, but what if not?
Why should networks sit “on beans” and on freeware for the rest of their lives?
After all, many are already accustomed to receiving from networks not only answers to questions
but also software and press and pictures with Mouzon - everything that you think should not
be distributed here.
It’s a pity, but frivolous = not very high-quality “good”.
About the organization: Sergei does not want to make a center in Moscow and, apparently, the entire
Moscow Spectrum elite (?),which is very strange - since they have traditions
of the real capital. And geographically, St. Petersburg is not quite the center of Russia, which
predetermined its fate; it could not remain the capital for long, since the goal
was only to “open a window to Europe.”
Well, okay, we’ll open a central headquarters here, and then what?
If Spectrum had any special interests in Finland, Estonia or
Sweden ;)
In general, no get hot. FunTop will have to answer a lot of
questions. And the most important thing: whether Moscow should be the center of SpectrumWorld or not.
As for which option will go: Novikov or Savichev...there were 20 letters in
support for Sergei, and only 1 person responded well to my project;(
So do you think this adds to my enthusiasm in achieving my ideals? ;)

With respect, Andrey Savichev/CGS

ps: on soap replied only yesterday, if anything, shake your boss

I missed several letters here, so the question is: has anyone responded to
the offer to become the organizer of this project (which will then be worked out
in detail)? I repeat once again: WE NEED 2-3 HONEST PEOPLE with access to e-mail and the ability to spend an hour a day sending files/receiving transfers/etc. If no takers are found, the project
is terminated. Although _the people_ are FOR, unanimously (that is, I don’t consider Milun).

AS> Apparently you are not carefully reading the bazaar on the topic of SOS, since you did not
AS> understand my position.
AS> And from the very beginning it was this: to make the project legally impeccable.
AS> First develop documents (the project), discuss, bring to the attention
AS> of everyone and only then, creating a legal structure, and not "network
AS> underground" center, start action.

This is for six months of work. All we need is for organizers to be found. Next -
we begin processing users through mass media, simultaneously working out a plan
for the association's work.

AS> I deliberately do not respond to all your messages here, I will answer with soap.

And soap is not in vain.

AS> But don’t bury the idea itself! Criticism is great

You call it criticism? Does anyone remember at least one of my (and not only) ideas that he supported? And how pleasant is it for you to communicate with him... =((

AS> butconstructive criticism. And if all this seems
AS> nonsense to you, then why so many emotions in response?

If you were the only one who organized the SOS, for example, I’m not sure that he would have commented on it at all
AS> A short message is enough, one “all this is nonsense and nonsense!” - that's all. And
AS> once you get involved in a discussion, it means there really
AS> is something worthwhile in this idea. Well, okay, let’s say you discourage
AS> me and Sergei from doing this. It’s good if you yourself have
AS> a real plan,

Х8D

AS> but what if not? Why sit on networks “on beans” and on freeware for the rest of your life? After all, many are already accustomed to receiving from the networks not only
AS> answers to questions, but also software and press and pictures with Mouzons -
AS> everything that you think should not be distributed here. What a pity, but frivolous = not very high-quality “good”. About
AS> the organization: Sergei doesn’t want to make a center in Moscow

For God’s sake. If anyone wants, do it in Moscow. It’s just that the headquarters in St. Petersburg would help
save a lot of money that the post office would receive.

AS> and apparently the entire Moscow Spectrum elite(?), which is very
AS> strange - since they have the traditions of the real capital.

So there are almost no active “scene figures” left :(

AS> And geographicallySt. Petersburg is not exactly the center of Russia,

In the case of postal transfers, this does not play a role.

AS> which predetermined its fate, it could not remain the capital
AS> for long, since the goal was only “to open a window to Europe.” Well
AS> okay, we’ll open a central headquarters here, and then what?
AS> If Spectrum had some special interests in Finland, Estonia
AS> or Sweden ;)

Why? Crowds of pilgrims will not flock to the headquarters! All you need to do is
receive translations, send money to worthy authors (which you won't have to do every day) and throw the software into the echo chamber. And your echo works well.

AS> In general, don’t get too excited. FunTop will have to answer a lot of questions. And the most important thing: whether Moscow should be the center of SpectrumWorld
AS> or not. As for which option will go: Novikov or
AS> Savichev...there were 20 letters in support of Sergei, and only 1 person responded well to my project
AS> ;( So do you think this adds
AS> me enthusiasm in achieving my ideals? ;)

Let's reach a consensus and release the symbiosis ;)

AS> here, I’ll answer with soap.
Got it. I read it.
AS> But don’t bury the idea itself! Criticism is great, but constructive criticism.
Damn, who buries the idea itself? Have you seen my response to Novikov’s “anecta”? The whole point is that now I don’t see any fundamentally new idea... At least in the nonsense that he carries. An ordinary
communist paradise.

AS> And if all this seems like nonsense to you, then why
[.....]
AS> whether Moscow is the center of SpectrumWorld or not.
Eh, you didn’t understand anything... :((((( I just treat this project
as an author who WANTS to participate in it, but still doesn’t see WHY he
needs all this... Because so far he sees only the “shadow of the new MMM” and the “ghost
of communism”.

AS> And as for which option
AS> will go: Novikov or Savichev...here 20 letters came in support of Sergei, and only 1 person spoke well about
AS> my project ;(
After this message, your project is well-received I respond too. (Sorry, I didn’t know that you and Novikov had such differences. Once again - sorry)...

AS> So, do you think this adds to my enthusiasm for achieving
my ideals? was to answer"No". ;)))

AS> ps: I answered the soap only yesterday, if anything happens, shake your boss
“I received the soap, my health is normal.” :)))

Good luck! Evgeny.

■ The night is shorter than the day... The day will kill me... The world of illusions burns down in it. (C) Aria.

AS>> impeccable. First, develop documents (project), discuss, bring
AS>> to the attention of everyone, and only then, having created a legal structure, and not
AS>> a “network underground” center, begin to take action.
EM> Very good. This is exactly what interested me. I'm glad that you and I agree on this
EM> issue.

Do you see the sycophant? He’s trying to attract potential supporters to his side!
Ha-ha.. It won’t work.

EM> But... But let me ask, why the hell Novikov say “we don’t
EM> need this democracy,” meaning that we don’t need any “papers”?
EM> It was this support that confused me about your position Novikova.

An axiom known since ancient times: what Milun says is nonsense. So, after
this, think about the ideas of registering a company, paying taxes, and so on...

SN> You call this criticism? Does anyone remember at least one of my (and not only)
SN> ideas that he supported? And how do you generally enjoy communicating with him?

Thursday February 19 1998 19:11, Sergei Novikov ─── Andrew Savichev:

SN> Oh, hold me ::)))))))))))) Soon you will die laughing... Himself
SN> Milun %\P will do a questionnaire... :DD If he couldn’t even imagine how to
SN> answer it negatively, although one person has already done so: he supported the idea of SOS
SN>, but he didn’t want to pay 10 thousand to the authors...
That is, the person who said that the idea of SOS (and _IN_ _GENERAL_ _VIEW_ - that’s how
this question sounded) he supports (and in general the idea of consolidation
is supported by everyone - I don’t think that there will be a person who would call on the spektrumists to disunite), but will not pay money (i.e., participate in all
of this), is considered a “person supporting SOS”?
Well, this is exactly what I called “impossible to answer negatively” - the questionnaire is compiled in such a way that even a negative answer will be interpreted
as "in support of SOS." By the way, if you didn't indulge in tweeting so often,
you would have seen how I responded to all of this...
So, %subj% ? Or how?

SN> ... and is unlikely to see it at all...
Judging by the fact that you have never seen my programs (they “just don’t
interest you”), but you persistently talk about their low quality, “lameness” and
uselessness to anyone, I conclude that within the framework of the SOS project, when evaluating
programs, the main focus is personal likes/dislikes will be placed in the angle. So ? Or
%subj% ?

SN> Do you see the sycophant? Trying to attract potential supporters to his
SN> side! Ha-ha.. It won’t work.
If your feelings have already completely clouded your mind, then ask
someone to explain to you the contents of my letters. In these lines (see
above) Andrey answered a little of the questions that interested me. He sent me a more complete answer in netmail. His answers partially coincided with my thoughts
which is what I told him.
Where is the sycophancy here? An attempt to "win over to your side"? So far I
see only one attempt here, _YOUR_, an attempt to be rude. Moreover, in the spirit of
preschool children.
And if you look in the “subj” field, you will see there the phrase “legally
impeccable”. This phrase is, in a sense, the answer to my question.
(No, well, it’s not my fault that you are not yet accustomed to earning your own living,
and you still don’t know what you’re going to face. I’m afraid, for this you need
to finish school first...)

[.....]

AS>>> But don’t bury the idea itself! Criticism is great, but constructive

[.....]
SN> An axiom known since ancient times: what Milun says is nonsense. So think
SN> after that about the ideas of registering a company, paying taxes and so on
SN> further...
Well, it’s an axiom or not, but I’m wondering if you know:
1) What does the definition of “legal entity” mean? (Did you already go through this at school?)
2) That SOS in the sense you want (“encouraging and stimulating authors”)
is also actually a legal entity.
3) That the same Zonov company “Scorpion” is a legal entity? (Respectively:
do you know how it was registered?) The same for "Logross" ?
"Inforcom" ?
4) How much do people trading in the markets pay to whom and how (in our case -
software traders)? How much do they pay for a place? For a license to trade?
5) Why do ALL editors of Spectrum electronic publications strictly
warn subscribers - “send letters and parcels to us not to the name
of the magazine editors ...” or “creative group ...”, but to the name of some
individual faces." (Ask Matveev, he will explain it to you.)
6) That in the Russian Federation EVERYONE, both legal entities and individuals, must
pay income tax on every ruble of their profit? Otherwise, these people
are considered CRIMINAL.

If you haven’t understood yet, then II was interested in what SOS would look like regarding all these issues. Or have you just never thought about it yourself? Or are we going to joke?

Fri 20 Feb 1998 14:41, Evgeny Milun (2:5057/18.73) wrote to Sergei Novikov:

EM> 6) That in the Russian Federation ALL legal entities and individuals
EM> must pay income tax on every ruble of their profit? Otherwise
EM> these people are considered CRIMINAL.

By the way, are there any professional lawyers among the subscribers? How legitimate will it be to accept postal orders in large quantities and not pay taxes? In principle, the organizers will not receive any income from this - all the money will go to the authors of the software. And a declaration of income must be submitted by all persons
whose income over the past year from two or more sources of earnings amounted
to more than 12 million rubles (for 1997, how much will be further is unknown).

SN>> would have commented on it somehow.
EM> :)))))))) Because Andrey would have organized (and will organize) it
EM> wisely, and not like you - “My children, everyone who loves the Spectrum is behind me!!!
EM> Hurray for the victory of communism!”

Hurray for the victory Milunism! +;) (C) I don’t remember whose

With best wishes, [ZX_Power Team]
Dr.Squizer. [Power_ZX Team]

>>> xpro...@linkom.kharkov.ua
... We came to win. That is why we are here!

SN> By the way, are there any professional lawyers among your subscribers? How much it will be
[.....]
SN> will be further is unknown).
No, I’m definitely freaking out... First you come at me seriously, and then
it turns out that this question worries you too, you just “somehow haven’t thought about it.” Although, as the author of this idea, I should have.

P.S. By the way, your target lines are great. I'm flattered. In order to get me
you kicked/invented a bunch of quotes from "Dune" and
"Star Wars". Wow, you even managed to remember my most favorite NF
works... Touched to the depths of my soul. ;))))))))))