Quite seriously...

>AS> Apparently you are not carefully reading the bazaar on the topic of SOS, since you did not
>AS> understand my position.
> Yours? I don’t really understand, because I don’t see it yet. Now I only see
how Novikov, with a captivating mood, calls on everyone to “buy
our elephants,” and you help him with this...
It is not so important from whom the idea comes, unless the author himself in the future
will not implement it himself, therefore it is possible and necessary to separate ideas from their
authors. Sergei proposed, as it seems to me, a very interesting idea, or rather
returned our attention to the old ones, not brought to their logical conclusion,
not the point.
What was important to me in his position were two things:
1) the person realized (and points this out to everyone) the danger of stopping the supply
of software, press, etc. on the network.
2) a network spektrumist should not scour the internet for software non-virtual
points, especially if it is virtual. A virtual would buy a CD with Spectrum
software, but they are not on sale! :(
But the methods of solving these problems, from his point of view the most realistic,
seemed unacceptable to me!

You can’t take money from people in advance!
You can’t take money from people as a “pig in a poke”!
You can’t frighten those who don’t pay with the torments of hell that they will experience
(this is why I don’t like churches, the state andetc., Christ himself was
much kinder, but all the churches are evil!!! )
You cannot establish an infrastructure in the form of an “underground center”!
Everything related to money must be legalized, otherwise either bandits
or the police will come - and most likely first one - then the other ;)
Here are four “impossibles”, because of which our positions will never converge.

> Very good. This is exactly what interested me. I'm glad that you and I agree on this issue. But... But let me ask why the hell Novikov
>say “we don’t need this democracy,”
He justified this by the need for an “iron hand”, there are only a few ways
to organize a human crowd - “autocracy” is one of them. For people who are weak in spirit, mind and
body - this is the most acceptable option (so that the "iron hand" knocks out all the benefits for them from the healthy, smart and strong;)). Remember: “who was nothing will become everything,” but all this is a terrible off-topic. But Sergey is at his best! :)

>meaning that you don’t need any
>“papers”? After all, what confused me about your position was precisely this support
of Mr. Novikov.
Yes, I support him, and not straightforward traders who see in this
venture only an encroachment on part of their profits (still, 700 people -
quite a “tidbit” ;)).
Even my proposalThey themselves “let it pass by” to become network traders.
They are smart people and understood that I want the benefit first of all for USERS and
AUTHORS and only then for TRADERS.
In their list of interests, IMHO, everything is the other way around: TRADER-AUTHOR-USER.
But with this “network revolution” I am not encroaching on the whole market?
As if it were not so, they realized that 700 people could distribute N-software for free
to the remaining 4,000.
One thing they DID NOT get it:
------------
N-software does not displace regular commercial software!
---------------------------------------------
I specifically introduced a limit on the cost of a general license at $ 1000!
After all, for many people for authors, such a price will be clearly insufficient!
As a result, in their market segment there will be only SUPER-AUTHORS!!!
or our authors but with SUPER PRODUCTS!!!
So what’s bad about this, gentlemen traders?
The fact that you will have to fork out a lot?
And what’s bad is that by becoming network traders, you can have
additional earnings due to the expanded contingent of authors and
the provoking ease of online shopping (this is a well-known fact: the
easier it is to buy a product of better quality, the more people will buy it!)

>AS> And if all this seems nonsense to you, then why
>[.....]
>AS> whether Moscow is the center of SpectrumWorld or not.
> Eh,you didn’t understand anything... :(((((I just treat this project
>as an author who WANTS to participate in it, but still doesn’t see WHY he
>needs all this... Because so far he sees only the “shadow of the new MMM” and the “ghost
of communism”.
There are AUTHORS and authors! :)
Here V.Mednonogov, and obviously you don’t need all this!
Well, great, everyone already knows you and everyone buys you. But no matter how brilliant
you are, perhaps somewhere in a distant and small town in Russia there lives an
author who will be
very interested in the opportunities provided by online trading. And in the centers there are beginning groups for whom this
market is a very good way to express themselves and improve their skills. rating.
It is possible that luminaries, in some cases, will take advantage of its capabilities,
but for this it is necessary to create an infrastructure!

>AS> As for which option
>AS> will go: Novikov or Savichev...there were 20 letters in support of Sergei, and only 1 person spoke well about
>AS> my project ;(
> After this message, about your project I respond well too. (Sorry, I didn’t know that you and Novikov had such differences. Once again - sorry)... So what does Sergei have to do with it? ;) After all, if someone else had been in his place, with the same ideas, I would have opposed them in the same way!are equal and can equally exchange ideas and opinions.
The main thing is that they contain “rational grains of truth” :)

> Never mind, you and I will make an “anecta” like Novikov’s. Just like him, we will fabricate it in such a way that it would be impossible to answer “no.” ;)))
No, I trust Sergei, this man is incapable of fraud!
And I respect All too much to somehow “put pressure on their brains,” they wouldn’t accept it -
that means there’s no need and it’s time to “curtail the market.”

With respect, Andrey Savichev/CGS

AS> Yes, I support him, and not the straightforward traders who see in
AS> this venture only an encroachment on part of their profits (still, 700
AS> people -
AS> quite a “tidbit” ;) ).

It’s probably scary for traders. At this stage, they sell software mainly to people not connected to the network, of whom the majority. And networkers download software from each other for free if it is not protected, and if it is protected, then they still don’t buy it, but wait for the unprotected version passing through the network. Another thing is that a trader
pirate will be able to take software from the network, at best, by depositing the amount of money of an ordinary
buyer, and at worst, nothing at all. At the same time, he can
continue to sell this software, and as a result, all the profits from selling
software to non-networkers will go to him and not to the author. Since there is still no
decent protection for software that is distributed to children, this will in no way
help official traders, it will help networkers just a little bit (only a few will sign up, but everyone will receive the software), and it will _very_ greatly support
pirate traders.

AS> Even my proposal to them to become network traders they “passed by
AS> ears."

We missed it because at the moment it is not clear how this will be done.
At the beginning we need to offer a clearthe principle of operation of such a system.

AS> They are smart people and understood that I want the benefit first of all for
AS> USERS and
AS> AUTHORS and only then for TRADERS.

Yes, but not for pirate traders.

AS> In their list of interests, IMHO everything is the other way around:
AS> TRADER-AUTHOR-USER. But with this “network revolution” I’m not
AS> encroaching on the entire market?
AS> No matter how wrong it is, they realized that 700 people could give away
AS> N-software to the remaining 4,000 for free.
AS> One thing they DID NOT get it:
AS> ------------
AS> N-software does not displace regular commercial software!

Displaces.

Sincerely, Alex from FFC COMPUTERS.

>e-mail: as...@usa.net

AL> Displaces.

Are you too worried about the abundance of Spectrum snapshots on Western servers?
To sell this to the “naturals”, it is necessary to bring the snapshots into a more familiar
form. Now imagine UFO2 in the form of a tape - would you sell such a version? Would you like to take a break? Can you imagine a hacker who would prefer to disk the tape version, protected by today's standards, instead of breaking the “normal” one? (What awaits him in the networks after this, I don’t
even mention... it will be enough to say “hey” ;)

AL> Sincerely, Alex from FFC COMPUTERS.

Sincerely, Dmitry (OLDMAN).
ZXNet: 095/100.1
old...@i-connect.ru

AL>> Displaces.

DG> Are you too worried about the abundance of Spectrum snapshots on Western
DG> servers?
DG> To sell this to the “naturals”, it is necessary to bring the snapshots into a more
DG> form familiar to them. Now imagine UFO2 in the form of a tape - would you
DG> sell such a version? Would you like to take a break? Can you
DG> imagine a hacker who
DG> would prefer to disk the tape version, protected by today's
DG> standards, instead of breaking the “normal” one? (What awaits him in the networks after this, I don’t even mention...
DG> it will be enough to say “at him” ;)

At best it will turn out this way, but at worst it will turn out differently. More than a month has already passed, and the disk version of CV is also not cracked, which indicates strong protection
and a large number of segments on the disk. If the protection is simpler, and
there are fewer files and overlays, then it will not be difficult to break the tap under the simulator.
The disk still provides much stronger protection capabilities. Some such
tap carries protection against transfer to a live spec, but does not have any protection against
copying “from simulator to simulator”. The opportunity to get it for free will work. As a result, for real spektrumists
the project is of no benefit, but forvirtual, another version of a freebie that will in no way serve the Spectrum.

Sunday February 22, 1998 08:13, Alex Letaev wrote to Dmitry Grigoryev:

AL> At best it will turn out this way, but at worst it will turn out differently. More than
AL> a month has already passed, and the disk version of the CV is also not cracked, which indicates strong
AL> protection, and a large number of segments on the disk. If the defense is simpler,

Now Slava will kill me, but I’ll still say - rather, it means that
normal hackers have left Speccy +, oddly enough, propaganda works.

AL> and there are fewer files and overlays, then under the simulator it won’t be
AL> difficult to break the tap.

Come on. I'm not talking about simple cases. Agree that on emulators
it is much
easier to set up such a mess from hundreds of files and, in general, to do THIS kind of thing than on a real Specky with a disk drive.

AL> The disk still provides much stronger protection capabilities.

All possibilities have already reached their maximum and have been studied by hackers. But emulator
protection is something new, this is where everything is just beginning. Remember the first
disk protections - zero length, other perversions with the system track, and yet
it all worked!

AL> Whose tap is protected from transferring to a live spec, but not
AL> has any kind of protection against copying “from simulator to simulator”.

Here you can also think... You can provide binding to the machine, electronic
keys, password protection.

AL> The opportunity to get it for free will work. As a result, for
AL> real spektrumists the project is of no benefit,

The benefit is not in supplying reals with software, everything is in order here, supply
exists - there is no demand, they just don’t want to buy it. The benefit is to support authors and keep them on the platform. You need to think more globally, Alex, you can do it :) And don’t forget that in addition to the distribution of secure network
software, we are also talking about freeware.

AL> and for virtuals, another version of a freebie,

The funny thing is that virtuals are constantly offering money, judging by the
conversations in this echo, reals are more concerned about how they will get their they didn’t push ten
bullshit ;)

AL> which in no way will serve the Spectrum.

I’ll now say a terrible, seditious, vulgar thing - the number of emulators is growing, and
the number of reals is falling... Moreover, the speed is already frightening. Any
option will serve the Spectrum. It’s better, of course, if there are two of them (Savichev/Novikov and
Malkov’s options), since the first one, you’re right here, in the case of protected online trading,
real freeloaders ;) will not bring any benefit (which is what we’re actually trying to achieve).

DG> Here you can also think... You can provide binding to the machine,
DG> electronic keys, password protection.

Binding to the machine, this requires a special version of the simulator, for example with
a certain number read on request from a certain port, but what
prevents you from copying the simulator. And there are no such versions of the simulator yet.

DG> The benefit is not in supplying reals with software, everything is fine here, the supply
DG> exists - there is no demand, they just don’t want to buy it.

The fact of the matter is that there’s nothing wrong here. Even between traders there is no
clear connection. And due to the fact that, for example, there are 30 traders who bought software 3 from the author, the price of the software is higher for the end user. And of course
they don’t want to buy it at the distributor’s price, if the pirate’s
price is less, and the author is also not able to get a decent amount
of money from 3 traders. This is exactly what Malkov's project is designed to provide a network and
fast access to information.

DG> The benefit is to support authors, keeping them on the platform. You need to think more globally
DG>, Alex, you know how :) And don’t forget that in addition to
DG> the distribution of secure network software, we are also talking about freeware.

And what’s bad if Malkov’s project works, and according to this project for a bunch
there will be a sale of software for verticals? And freeware is not like thatit won't hurt. And instead of trying to promote this project in an echo, we don’t even see anyone’s proposals. :-((((

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AS> There are AUTHORS and authors! :)
AS> Here is V.Mednonogova, and it’s obvious to you too, you don’t need all this!
AS> Well, great, everyone already knows you and everyone buys.
Well... I’m a little out of this sense - I’m most likely
not going to make money on the Spectrum. So when I said “he doesn’t see why he needs it,” I didn’t mean money. I meant - what will this give me? How will this “membership in SOS” differ from my current situation? Only by the fact that the other participants will give me "gritengs"? I lived without them, and I will continue to live. What else? The fact that my programs on the network will not be “clamped”?
This is yes, since my main direction of “sales” is the network (although, of course
there is also “exchange of parcels”). But (maybe I just have this kind of nature?), I somehow don’t want to participate in a project that bears a clear imprint of totalitarianism and “he who is not with us is against us”... Reviews about my program and
complaints/suggestions? But, I still indicate my address, and I’m always happy to receive feedback.
That’s it, SOS can’t give me anything more?

AS> But no matter
AS> genius you are, perhaps somewhere in a distant and small town
AS> in Russia there lives an author who will find the opportunities provided by online
trade very interesting. Yes and inThere are beginner groups in the centers, for whom this market is a very good way to prove themselves and increase their
AS> rating. Perhaps the luminaries, in some cases, will take advantage of its
AS> capabilities, but for this it is necessary to create an infrastructure!
This is what I’m talking about - instead of empty shaking of the air about
how “cool all this will be”, it is better to _in detail_ develop the entire
infrastructure... If everything is thought out, then I don’t think that there will be
at least one opponent of this project...

AA> There are hardware keys - you put it into the com port and encode any program using
AA> it. It's difficult to break. It's true and it's worth a lot. On the real Spectrum, by the way, there were no hardware protections observed.

In the simulator, this can of course be done, but then the author of the software will have to
pay the author of the simulator, or the user of both of them, and it will turn out expensive. In addition, it is also possible to copy the simulator itself.

AA> Reals are greatly discouraged by the lack of a specific purpose for the contribution, completely
AA> collecting different things for the finished product and for a bright future.

This has been accurately noted.

DG> Any option will serve the Spectrum. It’s better, of course, if there are two of them
DG> (variants of Savichev/Novikov and Malkov)
^^^^^^^^ Oh my! They got at me at school, after
also, now here :( Well, there’s no soft sign in my surname, no! Why do you,
actually, take this? :)

Hasta la vista.
Tim Kelly

I greet you from the bottom of my heart, Alex!

Mon Feb 23, 1998, Alex Letaev squeezed the keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach Dmitry Grigoryev
:

AL> get a decent amount of money from 3 traders. This is exactly what Malkov's project is designed for
AL>, to provide a network and quick access to information.
^ and here...

AL> What's bad if Malkov's project works, and for this project for
^ and here Zh8-[ ]!!!

EM> ^^^^^^^^ Oh my! They pestered me at school,
EM> after that, too, now here :( Well, there is no soft sign in my surname,
EM> no! Where do you get that from, actually? :)

It sounds more “Russian” that way. It sounds unpleasant, say, the word “only” without a soft sign! ;) It hurts my ears... So, just in case, insert at the beginning of the template: RealName: Evgeniy Malkov.

AL>> get a decent amount of money from 3 traders. This is precisely what
AL>> Malkov’s project is designed to provide a network and quick access to information.

AL> What’s bad if Malkov’s project works, and this project is for the heap

Where did I even say a word that his project is bad?

AL> will there be trade in software for verts? And freeware is

Absolutely nothing. Parallel projects that have little relation to each other.

AL> it wouldn’t hurt. And instead of trying to promote this project in the echo
AL>, we don’t even see anyone’s proposals. - networks.

Damn, what does the _network_ trading project have to do with users who do not
have access to networks?! That's right, the same as yours has with virtual networks - that is, nothing at all! Each of the projects is focused on its "half", the other
"half" will benefit indirectly - both projects will stimulate the authors.

AL> There is not even a clear idea of how the money will be collected, and how they will

The project SOS - no. As well as the project itself... The N-soft project has everything thought out (and what is not thought out -will be thought out later, I know Andrey ;)

AL> will be forwarded and taken into account. The SOS idea is good, but not feasible.

It didn’t survive. Sergei just needed to correct some points, and
he immediately vote ;)

AL> Malkov’s idea is realistically feasible, and with a minimum of effort. Two

Then I'm just amazed that it doesn't work yet ;)

AL> it will be very difficult for people to promote it, so Dim,
AL> join us. We have to act.

And I can’t help here;(Except from information support
- it’s always “please”;)

AA> collecting completely different things for the finished product and for a bright future.

Are you subscribing to Ekhi? And do you always read in them only what you need?
And you pull out the files that you need right now? When I receive mail, I don't know whether there will be something there to read or whether my finger will get tired of pressing. For virtuals and networkers, prepayment is nothing new. If it were proposed to pay a little
more for the software, so that, accordingly, you could get more and order the opportunity to
have and have the right to make _reasonable_ claims... Yes, and “in the world”
subscription fees are not a new phenomenon and the idea would be workable if it weren’t
based on Greatings’ reward and punishment boycott...

I greet you from the bottom of my heart, Dmitry!

DG> Of course not. It is unlikely that traders will pay for what is impossible
DG> to sell - unfinished products. At the very least, these would be very
DG> strange traders ;)

Dima, it is not traders who pay, users pay, but traders are intermediaries
on a percentage, and at a very modest one, or are you blaming us for this?
Your whole mistake is that you look at the trader as
the final buyer, and this is not the case at all.

Oh, an idea came up, sorry, if not the first one and already had it somewhere.
Programs can be distributed via echo, and keys (*.add) via netmail.
This way it won’t bother anyone, one or two sections of UUE will reach without problems, and the wolves are fed and
the sheep are safe!

AL>> for the heap

DG> And where did I even say a word that his project is bad?

So let's work in two directions - personally, I would be happy
to play online CV, since real Spec is not very accessible to me. Of course,
the authors will receive additional money, which is also very good.

DG> Your project is purely a trading one - neither users nor authors, nor real people nor
DG> virtuals can offer you anything. To implement it, you
DG> (traders) need to agree among themselves. And then “herd” the authors ;)

Yes, the fact is that many authors do not know who to contact with
a proposal. We even found the guys who write “Zerkalo” by chance. This is in its own city. What if we hadn’t stumbled upon it? Then they would have given it to the pirate for $5 and
that’s it, they hardly wanted to write anything else :(.
And if in some Derzhipupinsk there aren’t even traders, then what?
That’s why we want to publish lists of traders in all publications, so that
people can reach everyone through the nearest trader.
This is where you, that is, educated authors who communicate with each other, are needed!

DG> Damn, what does the _network_ trading project have to
DG> users who do not have access to networks?! That's right, the same as
DG> yours has to virtuals - that is, none!is focused on its “half”, the other “half” will benefit
DG> indirectly - both projects will stimulate the authors.

It’s true, you shouldn’t combine projects, but the same people can work
on different projects...

DG> The SOS project does not. Just like the project itself... For the N-soft project, everything
DG> is thought out (and what is not thought through will be thought out later, I know Andrey
DG> ;)

Everything needs to be thought out, that’s for sure. So that authors with bare (sorry) asses don't walk past fat pirates. After all, a year of work can be wiped out in two or three
weeks!

DG> Of course, programs that do not need constant loading can simply not be adapted like this
DG>. But the same Vinny can be written for the emulator -
DG> optimized taking into account the possibility of fast loading (just imagine
DG> just how you can twist it up!)

The bells and whistles with a small program size will not be of much use, because
the simulator throws out all the memory like a magician at any moment. Let there be at least
1000 sub-boots, when everything is loaded, you can throw out the snapshot
and tinker with it.

DG> You don’t understand - all the “best possibilities” have already been tried and hackers
DG> have gotten their hands on it, and emulators are a new round in protection, new methods
DG> that still need to be studied. And by the way, which is not unimportant - to hack
DG> such a program you need a computer and some special knowledge about it. Name
DG> at least one _active_ cracker that has this?

No, well, of course they have been studied, and while continuing to be studied they break with difficulty.
ChV, for example, a lot of time has passed since its release, and only now
the first broken versions are appearing, and it is not known whether they are working or not.

DG> Reals? A lot ;) And for virtuals, copying the emulator will not help bypass
DG> binding to the machine.

For this you need a Spectrumthe program from the simulator somehow
had access to the machine's resources.

DG> Shalaev's emulator has an _open architecture_. Why poll from the port?
DG> It is enough to ask the user to press the Fx key (execute the module).

And the simulator with the module cannot be copied with this?

DG> Your project is purely a trading one - neither users nor authors, nor reals nor
DG> virtuals can offer you anything. To implement it, you
DG> (traders) need to agree among themselves. And then “graze” the authors ;)

Not really, for implementation we need free people with the Internet and Fido.

DG>> reals and virtuals cannot offer you anything. To implement
DG>> you (traders) need to agree among yourself. And then “herd”
DG>> authors ;)

EM> Yes, the fact is that many authors do not know who to contact with
EM> a proposal. We even found the guys who write “Zerkalo” by chance.
EM> This is in their own city. What if we hadn’t stumbled upon it? Then they would have given the pirate $5 for
EM> $5 and that was it, they hardly wanted to write anything else :(.
EM> And if in some Derzhipupinsk there aren’t even traders, then what?
EM> That’s why we want to publish lists of traders in all publications,
EM> so that a person can reach everyone through the nearest trader.
EM> That’s where you, that is, educated and authors communicating with each other
EM> are needed!

Write more advertisements in DEPTH! I will help as much as I can :-)

SI> Guys, if I’m not considered a pensioner, then I... True, I don’t have my own
SI> PC, but I have constant access to it.

You need to be a _good_ cracker on Speccy and PC. Are you that cool? You probably break network
Syntinel in a week?

SI> But I don’t break it to the detriment of anyone!

I emphasize once again - it’s a _working_ cracker. This means someone who is breaking now and has
the desire to break (to the detriment of course) further.

SI> Guys, I want this too! Who needs to pay how much, and what else
SI> is needed for this?

You, most importantly, pay :) And the quota is smaller.

SI> With a fleeting smile, Stanley.

Saturday February 28, 1998 06:48, Alex Letaev wrote to Dmitry Grigoryev:

AL> To do this, it is necessary that the Spectrum program from the simulator had somehow
AL> access to the machine's resources.

To do this, the program just needs to ask the user to press the function key and
to open this access (damn, well, ask for example, its speed can be increased by
10 times :) And don’t forget that emulators are still being developed, therefore
such a possibility can be provided.

AL> Can’t a simulator with this module be copied?

It’s possible. But the module identifies the machine. Specific. The one and only.
And the real thing will be hindered by the very connection of the program to the emulator.

DG>> Your project is purely a trading one - neither the users nor the authors, nor the real people
DG>> nor the virtuals can offer you anything. To implement it, you
DG>> (traders) need to agree among themselves. And then “shepherd” the authors ;)

AL> Not really, to make it happen you need free people with the Internet and Fido.

Well, there are enough of these among traders. The main thing is to interest them.

DG>> Both projects need to be developed, Alex. Both. Two markets are better than one,

AL> But we need people to implement our project. And there is no need to cross paths,
AL> just cooperate.

And no one refuses. Let's create (if) both projects and cooperate
to the fullest :)

AL>Best regards, Alex from FFC COMPUTERS.

EM> Dima, it is not traders who pay, users pay, but traders - intermediaries
EM> on a percentage, and at a very modest one, or are you blaming us for this?

That is why, with such an attitude, they will not be able to sponsor projects in advance.
You are of little use here...

EM> Your whole mistake is that you look at a trader like
EM> on the final buyer, and this is not at all the case.

I know, that’s why I said “strange traders”. Naturally, this applies to small
(this is not an insult) traders. Both IFCs and manufacturing traders can afford a lot. Like another association, _not_ based on self-sufficiency
only from interest. Hint - the service also costs money.

EM> Hasta la vista.
EM> Tim Kelly

EM> Threat Sorry, but why is there such an offense against traders, it would be better to blame pirates

You're not digging there ;) I have a normal attitude towards traders.

EM> After all, _YOU_ need to sell the program, and we can only help you, or
EM> refuse to help.

I don’t necessary :)

This is a moot point... Why waste energy. And overload
doesn’t do anyone any good.

EM> Everything needs to be thought out, that’s for sure. So that authors with bare (sorry) asses don't walk past fat pirates. After all, a year of work can be wiped out in
EM> two or three weeks!

Pirates need to be put under pressure. Not hackers - you can negotiate with them.

EM> Have you seen lists of traders in at least one magazine? Who should people
EM> contact? Or should we look for them?

They are not hiding. You take the publication and look at the contact information... then
you take the next edition...

EM> Do we really need it, or the authors who
EM> want to get paid for their work?

You have one problem - when you need to do something, you start to think who needs it
more. This is how, in these thoughts, over the years, progress has been moving on the Spectrum.

EM> Exactly! Information support is needed! But not here, here we ourselves
EM> will write off :) We need to give information to non-networkers!

So you first decide on the information - what to publish, what
to call for and with what interest.

SI> Guys, if I’m not considered a pensioner, then I am... True, I don’t have my own
SI> own PC, but I have constant access to it. But to the detriment of
SI> I don’t break anyone!

Oh...

SI> It’s okay for everyone...

No, in Word and Deed it’s done quite simply - the program produces a code unique
only to your machine, you tell it to the author or his representative, and for
an amount you receive a key generated using your code, and, of course,
suitable only to register your version of the program.

SI> Guys, Malkov is a patriot of Speck, and whoever attacks him will
SI> have to deal with me too!!!! Zh8-((((((

Wow, how do you know me so well? Maybe I’m the same as Mighty
Hacker? But thanks anyway for the support!

SI> Guys, I want this too! Who needs to pay how much, and what else
SI> is needed for this?

Pay - the author or his representative :) But you need to make online versions,
announce, and receive money. Without any intermediaries.

EM>> - then how? That’s why we want to publish lists of traders
EM>> in all publications, so that a person through the nearest trader can reach
EM>> everyone. I'll help. :-)

At least for now, SlavaMednonogova Fak publish, and that’s good!

27 Feb 98 20:27, Eugene Malkov reported to Dmitry Grigoryev about {Quite
seriously...}:

EM> 2Arty & Novikov: At least the traders' fact will be published in the magazine, or
EM> Is Slava trying in vain?

At least it (v1.01) was published in Nikrone (I think 76)...

Warm greetings, Slava!

EM>> send soap to everyone? If it’s in the echo, then the binding is useless, here you need
EM>> to think through everything well.

DG> You already guessed it yourself :) The program is in the echo, the keys are like soap. I don’t know how it is
DG> with policies and special permissions, but this is exactly how (with different
DG> variations) many products are distributed. And with the Internet in general
DG> there are no problems, and with ZXNet there will be no problems, I think. And there will be some terribly
DG> secure software, I think...

Of course. Just don’t build any projects. Everything is much simpler: the author _himself_ is able to make an online version (in extreme cases, he will ask
someone), and _himself_ is able to receive money! He doesn’t need to feed anyone
(unless the program will be very popular :)

DG> Well, at least you understand :) Imagine a real person who received a similar request
DG> :) Moreover, the result could be, for example, loading sprites into the ROM
DG> trdos.

Whatever, there are a lot of possibilities!

DG> I respect you too, that’s why Let's keep our apologies to ourselves. You didn't
DG> understand the network trading project, I didn't understand what was incomprehensible here ;)

Ok. Glad. Just lose a little steam, otherwise it’s not a discussion of projects, but a fight without
rules... :)

EM>> Dima, it is not traders who pay, users pay, but traders -
EM>> intermediaries on a percentage, and at a very modest one, or are you blaming us for
EM>> this?

DG> That is why, with such an attitude, they will not be able to sponsor projects
DG> in advance. You are of little use here...

I agree, we are of no use in such projects.

DG> You are not digging in the right place ;) I have a normal attitude towards traders.

I would like to believe...

I greet you from the bottom of my heart, Vyacheslav!

Mon Mar 02 1998, Vyacheslav Mednonogov squeezed the keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach Eugene
Malkov:

EM>> 2Arti & Novikov: At least there will be traders’ fact in the magazine

DG> You need to be a _good_ cracker on Speccy and PC. Are you that cool?
DG> You probably break Network Sintinel in a week?

Actually, no. But I wrote personal patches for UKV on ASMA. And I remember very few gams on the PC that I couldn’t immortalize. :-) And on Specki, well
I’m finishing the toy...

EM> Pay - the author or his representative :) And you need to - make
EM> network versions, announce, and receive money. Without any
EM> intermediaries.

And how?

EM>>> - then how? That’s why we want to publish lists of traders
EM>>> in all publications, so that a person can reach everyone through the nearest trader
EM>>>. This is where you, that is, educated and communicating with each other,

SI> Actually, no. But I wrote personal patches for UKV on ASMA. Yes
SI> and I remember very few rackets on the PC that I couldn’t immortalize. :-)

Game Wizard, probably ;-)

SI> And on Specki, I’m finishing the game...

"I'm the only one who does everything except coding." Your words,
defendant? ;) Okay, I convinced you. You're cool. Noted.

SI> To whom? I'm talking about the quota, why is it hard to drag 16 extra kilos?
SI> :-)

It’s a bit difficult for spektrumists at 1800 baud, although they gave up long ago due to
the complete uselessness of this activity.

▌█▐▐║▌█▐▐▌▐ W!7h 7he Be$7 W!$he$ fR0M CREATOR product
▌812/03.00▐ Powered by Cyrix 6x86L 200+/16DIMM/S3TrV2 2mb/SBpro/Q1.6Gb/USR28.8

... The glitch is not a sparrow, it flew out - kill it!

SI>> such a resonance. Are you smart?

DG>? I was sure. You need to learn to be smart. “I don’t know” is not the answer. So
DG> are you going to break it or not?

Whom to break?

DG> Will you let me know :)

When?

SI>> I’m talking about the quota, why is it hard to drag 16 extra kilos? :-)

DG> No to me.

Then what are the complaints?

Do you remember 05 Mar 98 at 01:12, Paul Falcon wrote a message for Stanley Ivanenko:

SI>> To whom? I'm talking about quotation, why is it difficult
SI>> to drag 16 extra kilos? :-)

PF> Spectrumists have a hard time with 1800 baud, although they gave up a long time ago because
PF> of the complete uselessness of this activity.

Why did they give up?

EM>> a code unique to your machine, you tell it to the author or
EM>> his representative, and for an H amount you receive a key generated using
EM>> using your code, and, of course, suitable only for
EM>> registering your version of the program.

SI> Cool... And most importantly, simple.

Let's try.

SI> I rarely make mistakes in people. Still, a pathopsychologist...

Ha, so you knew who was surrounding you?

:)

EM> you report it to the author or his representative, and for an H-amount
EM> you receive a key generated using your code, and, of course,
EM> suitable only for registering your version of the program.

Or you go to astalavista.box.sk (or in $CRACK$), ask for a register, you receive
it and enter the key there, receiving a code in return. (this means that the example is unsuccessful).

TK> Ha, so you knew who was around you?

Children at school often ask the teacher: “If you’re so smart, why aren’t you
rich?”.
Do you get it?

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... Guru meditation - very mocked

I greet you from the bottom of my heart, Tim!

Fri Mar 06 1998, Tim Yunaev squeezed the keyboard, hoping that the following words would reach Eugene Malkov
:

TY> Hmmm, an amazing experience.

Not as bad as you think! Version 7.50 has not yet been broken, and it will soon be two years old! This is not two months for you...

TY> Or you go to astalavista.box.sk (or in $CRACK$), ask for a register,
TY> you receive it and enter the key there, receiving a code in return. (this means that
TY> the example is unsuccessful).

Okay, then what can you say about T-Mail? Are there many registrations? Anything can be broken, it’s just a matter of time! And do you think someone would be very interested in making a recorder for some Spectrum emulator? And even to a specific program?

TY>> register, you get it and enter the key there, receiving the code
TY>> in return. (this means that the example is unsuccessful).
EM> Okay, then what can you say about T-Mail?

An even better example. Go to ftpsearch, do a search by filename (but I forgot what the archive is called). You will receive about 20 links.

EM>A lot of registration sites?

There is a registration site somewhere in the wilds of geosities. On IRC (either #CRACK or #HACK)
they told me the way.
And there are tons of keys on the Internet.

EM> Everything can be broken, it’s just a matter of time!

That’s right. And the thing is that most software can be broken in a _very_
short time (2-3 days maximum).

EM> And do you think someone would be very interested in making a recorder for
EM> some kind of Spectrum emulator? And even for a specific program?

Why not? If the program is popular?