Top secret...

AS> But the methods for solving these problems, from his point of view the most realistic,
AS> seemed unacceptable to me!

Easily implemented. Plus, only they allow us to talk about the distribution of _all_
high-quality software, and not, like you, individual units of software. These are completely
different moments.

AS> You cannot take money from people in advance!

It is possible and necessary. And not “forward” - the software (at first frivolous, since the money has not yet accumulated to purchase it) you start receiving by echo, and only then you start
paying. These are all sorts of releases + demos + frivolous programs.

AS> You can’t take money from people under the “pig in a poke”!

And where do you think the “pig in a poke” is? You will receive all the normal software. Do you think this is a cat? If, of course, you pay. Otherwise, there will simply be nothing
to pay the authors -> and there will be no software. And to make sure that many people pay is the task of the press. The more they pay, the richer the authors, the more software
associations can afford, the more new projects are created.

AS> It is impossible to frighten those who do not pay with the torments of hell that they will experience
AS> (this is why I don’t like churches, the state, etc., Christ himself was
AS> much kinder, but all the churches are evil!!! )

If we had 5 million users, it would be possible and don't scare. And
now there is no other wayto collect money, except by discrimination
non-payers in the distributed software.

AS> You cannot establish an infrastructure in the form of an “underground center”!

No other way.

AS> Everything related to money needs to be legalized, otherwise either
AS> bandits or the police will come - and most likely first one - then the other ;)

Now if you legalize it, the bandits will definitely will come.

AS> Here are four “don’ts”, because of which our positions will never converge.

Is it generally legal to constantly carry out monetary transactions by mail? In principle,
the state gets 20% from this from postal transfers between cities.

>> Very good. This is exactly what interested me. I am glad that on this
>> issue you and I agree. But... But let me ask, why the hell Novikov say “we don’t need this democracy”,

AS> He justified this by the need for an “iron hand”, there are only
AS> several ways to organize a human crowd - “autocracy” is one of
AS> them. For people who are weak in spirit, mind and body, this is the most acceptable
AS> option (so that the “iron hand” knocks out all the benefits for them from the healthy,
AS> smart and strong ;)). Remember: “who was nothing will become everything,”
AS> but all this is a terrible off-topic. But Sergey is at his best! :)

In principle, democracy remains.It’s simply impossible to write anything good about non-payers in distributed software. Quite legal and logical. A computer company will not accept for distribution software that boasts of pirates
illegally distributing the software of this company!

>> Eh, you didn’t understand anything... :(((((I just relate to this
>> project as an author,

;-D

>> who WANTS to participate in it, but still doesn’t see WHY he needs all this
>>... Because so far he sees only the “shadow of the new MMM” and the “ghost
>> of communism.”
AS> There are AUTHORS and authors! :)
AS> Here is V. Mednonogova, and obviously you don’t need all this!
AS> Well, great, everyone already knows you and everyone buys it.

Is it Miluna? 8)) Unless there are targets with his photo in the center...

>>AS> And as for which option
>>AS> will go: Novikov or Savichev...there were 20
>>AS> letters in support of Sergei, and only 1 person spoke well about my project ;(
>> After this message, I also speak well about your project. (Sorry, I
>> didn’t know that you and Novikov had such differences. More once - sorry)...
AS> So what does Sergei have to do with it? ;)

So you’re in the echo recently... Although it’s clear: in that half a kilo of text my name is mentioned 6 times, which makes it clear that the person is clearly not in.себе.

[skippy]

SN> And where do you think the “pig in a poke” is? You will receive all
SN> normal software. Do you think this is a cat? If, of course, you pay.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - this is not always necessary (and if also only Pentagon128)
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[Team "Gaza Strip" - rulezz!]

AS> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - this is not always necessary (and if also only
AS> Pentagon128) [wiped]
AS> ...

No, well, I think about the “pig in a poke” you are all unfairly finding fault. After all
the money, as I understand it, is supposed to be paid very little, it’s like a subscription
or a membership fee. Naturally, along with a barrel of honey, you will also receive a spoonful of something completely tasteless. Perhaps a couple of months will be completely “lean”...
But this is normal, I can give a lot of analogies in everyday life and you
will be surprised how many similar “associations” you already participate in and how much money
you paid for garbage. Well, it doesn’t happen that for a penny and a choice product. If you don't want to get something you don't need, go to the market and pay the same money, but for individual programs or collections. It will be much more expensive and, besides,
again there is no guarantee that you will not buy something completely different from what you expected.

AS> [Team "Gaza Strip" -
AS> rulezz!]

Sincerely, Dmitry (OLDMAN).
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Monday February 23 1998 07:10, Dmitry Grigoryev ─── Alexander Savin:

DG> After all, the money, as I understand it, is supposed to be paid very little, it’s like
DG> there will be a subscription or a membership fee.
[.....]
DG> Well, it doesn’t happen that for a penny and a choice goods.
Strange thoughts, don't you think? On the one hand - “come on, pay a little,” on the other - “come on, what do you want for these pennies.” So the question just arises - “why do we need this then?”

DG> If you don’t want to get what you don’t need, go to the market and pay the same
DG> money, but for individual programs or collections. It will be much more expensive
DG> and, besides, again, there is no guarantee that you won’t buy something completely different from what
DG> you were counting on.
“Don’t go outside - you won’t come back, don’t go to bed - you won’t wake up,
don’t drink - you’ll choke... That’s it, amba.” (C) V. Vinokur.
That is. Previously, we lived and bought - nothing, everything was normal (I don’t care that very often advertising did not correspond to reality), but now - “it’s expensive and there are no guarantees that they won’t sell bullshit.” But, for some reason, instead of developing infrastructure, we are still trying to start the next “construction project of the century”. Peculiarities of the
Russian person?

Good luck! Evgeny.

■ Nightshorter than a day... The day will kill me... The world of illusions burns down in it. (C) Aria.