about networks...

Thursday May 29, 1997 06:57, Alex Mikhailov wrote to Dmitry Grigoriev:

AM> by the way, I looked at your window interface... :)

What didn’t you like about it? In MMD is it more convenient/sophisticated?

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DG>> no one needs resuming,

AM> in St. Petersburg it is not needed.

;)

DG>> there will be a timer,

AM> but is it needed at all? more precisely, is it really needed,
AM> considering a system with access levels?

What is the connection between the timer and access levels?

DG>> quick mode (analogous to freq) is not needed,

AM> “analog”... but a useful thing...

Analog (without quotes)

DG>> speed adjustment is not needed...

AM> and this is, in general, IMHO, extra brakes only.
AM> I don’t know about you, but we either have a connection,
AM> or we don’t. most often it is. and if it
AM> is not there, no amount of speed adjustment will help.

I don’t believe you either ;)

DG>> You either “don’t need it” or “will have it”

AM> is an erroneous conclusion. I don’t need EVERYTHING.
AM> I’m just saying that there are things
AM> that you can completely do without. and I wouldn’t tear out the hair
AM> on my head due to lack of it...

So don’t tear it out. The conversation started because you called our program primitive.

DG>> That's it. I'm disabling my z-modem, I'll connect to my boss using
DG>> ASCII or X-modem :-)

AM> you're notyou're talking about that. Hayes is one thing.
AM> Vicomm is completely different, on Hayes without
AM> resuming the download is a bit difficult... but on Vikomm
AM> it is not needed, so it is good if such an epithet is applicable
AM> to Vicomm...

Yes-ah...

DG>> Isn’t it easier to just correct an already downloaded catalog?
DG>> On a machine at the point than download again?

AM> I don’t quite understand what you mean.

Why re-download the node directory after you have leaked your
mail from there and it has been deleted at the other end? By the way, do you also not have any errors on the disk when recording? Are you in too much of a hurry to delete your mail? And
if the point’s disk is not registered?

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AM> I just wanted to say that I almost never
AM> use the modem when the station is not working.
AM> and in no case do I negotiate with any user about downloading progs
AM> during non-working hours.

You don’t have any user-friends?

DG>> There must be a human attitude - the network system is not yet
DG>> so debugged as to formally treat this matter.

AM> it seems to me that somewhere we did not
AM> understand each other. What is this, do you think
AM> that a sysop, if it humanly and not formally relates
AM> to points, should also modem with them during non-working
AM> hours????
AM> sorry, of course,were you a sysop yourself?

No. Were you a point? And I know a lot of sysops, normal people, not arrogant, as you want to present them ;)

AM> Best wishes, Arno from Omega group.

Regards, Dmitry (OLDMAN).

Sat 14 Jun 1997 00:52, Alex Mikhailov wrote to Alexey Ivanov:

AM> and what if he has a personal life,
AM> he becomes a fake sysop,
AM> and his node is a simple bbskoy?

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This topic is no longer for this echo and her We need to discuss this with no soap and water.
Especially the phrase _real_ sysop. Sysop in the Spectrum world
- NOBODY, remember this. This is the most thankless task - giving people
communication with people like themselves for free. And to single yourself out is already too much... if you don't know how to code, there's no point in sticking your head out and showing off your coolness as a node operator, even if it's a cool mesh. Me too, they came up with a new caste “Sysopy”...

Have you ever set up Remote or Maximus yourself? Six months on Vicomma and already
_real_.... There is not and will not be on the Spectrum such a caste "SYSOPS". How are they not available
on other platforms?

Is a personal BBS sysop no longer a sysop? Yes, it can work with users better than any network
sysop... And if you “press” with rules, users
will soon run away from you... to fake sysops... But what is there to prove, over time you
will grow up and understand everything yourself.

Whoever needs it will find another link (ay, Starwalker!).

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The remarkableness of the Spectrum The point is that it is impossible to write normal programs in it except in assembler. That's what's cool about it. And this, withIts
cheapness and availability (I'm not talking about Sprinter) is proven by practice:
all the coolest programmers on other platforms are former Spectrumists.

Sat 14 Jun 1997 00:52, Alex Mikhailov wrote to Dmitry Grigoryev:

AM> wonderful. We have come to the conclusion that
AM> a sysop who has something to do except
AM> the station, and who simply _physically_ does not have
AM> time to modem with the user
AM> during non-working hours - is an arrogant person. rulez.

And your “cool” phrase is a _real_ sysop?

Only those who cannot do anything themselves, in the sense of programming,
select some sysops into a separate “caste”. Sysop is nothing for Speck,