Peters

Today some lucky people had a chance to see this new miracle computer.
It’s really fancy. And the fact that you can easily watch AVI files and
256 high-resolution color images on it is really true. Without dwelling on the technical details (it looks like someone was going to throw a complete list of them into the echo), it is still worth noting that this is more of a new computer than just a fancy Spectrum. With all the ensuing pros and cons...

With warm greetings, Slava.

15 May 97 17:40 -- Leon Sukhanov told Vyacheslav Mednonogov about Peters:

VM>> Today some lucky people had a chance to see this new
VM>> miracle computer.

LS> no! stop mocking people! give us a quick photograph and
LS> characteristics! any information, because _I_H_T_E_P_E_C_H_O_!

I’ve already thrown in a little “any” information :))

For those. information - rather to M. Kondratiev, V. Larkov, V. Eliseev. They
were there and understood everything better :)

LS> let's go on with the history of creation!

Something like this:
F. Peters was formed by itself clearly before '94. A little later, they
bought the rights (!) to the trademark and circuit design of a previously prosperous, and
then bankrupt company for collecting ZXs (either it was Companion, or
Composite). Although they did not use the trademark, having decided to be called Peters,
however, they guaranteed (!!) all these either Composites or Companions.
As expected, they produced both Peters'48 and Peters'128, and all sorts of gadgets for
them (starting from a block with a disk drive, ending with light pistols and flamethrowers :)
Who bought these Peters and where they were sold (and they were distributed only in St. Petersburg, IMHO) is a mystery to me personally, because... I've heard about anything (Scorpio,
BEM, Yaguana, Kai, 777, St. Petersburg, etc.), but not aboutthem. For some time they
were friends with Leningrad primary education, and set up several of their
classes.
The love for presentations was born, IMHO, in December 1995, when Peters 256 was exhibited on a frosty day in
Krasnoye Selo. The switching of pages was done according to
Scorpio’s scheme, and the following pleasant innovations were remembered: electronic disk in TR-DOS format (!); replacing ROM with RAM (turning Peters, for example, into a non-pro Scorpio); several video modes (spots on the border, text
mode 80x25, combining different resolutions (!) on one screen, etc.), partially flashed into IsDos RAM.
I have never seen Peters'256 on sale, much less heard an advertisement,
however, apparently someone bought it :), because The company now has a second office on
Vosstaniya (!) with security (!), in addition, these year and a half they have been working on a new
Peters'4096 - Sprinter. The soul of the work is the bearded Siberian Ivan, who, I am sure, could compete for the title of the best St. Petersburg
programmer-system engineer-operator with the MOA himself from the Scorpio f. The interim
demonstration of the Sprintera was at Enlight'96 - eyewitnesses were shocked (just kidding,
the Sprinter was clearly not in shape at that time). At the same time there was a timid attempt to establish connections with Zonov and X-Trade, which ended in nothing, because The parties
realized that they could not help each other in any way :)
The first release date was set for November'96, then postponed to February'97, now - to autumn'97. This is due, to a greater extent, apparently to the fact that the developers' plans grew as the work progressed (appetite comes during eating).
In their work, their friendly team relies on the most advanced achievements of science
and technology. However, their disregard for such a simple thing as advertising is not clear.

That’s basically the little that I know about them.

LS> will it be cooler than C=Amiga? ;-))

Clear stump :))

Warm greetings, Slava.

VM> Clear stump :))

Why Amiga! A/BOX is just a cheap toy next to this miracle of engineering!

VM> Warm greetings, Slava.

C U L8ER, Danil.
[Green KillarZ Team][Bus CrasherZ Team][Legalize Team][Box Dancerz Team]

LS> let's start with the history of creation! will it be cooler than C=Amiga? ;-))

Let me intervene! :) I agree with the statement about
Amiga. I absolutely agree. Lenya, be patient a little longer... Do you read ZxNews at all? In issue #32 they promised to print some technical information about this computer... The history of its creation, photographs - everything will be there. Just wait a little...

LS> thanks in advance.

Thanks to Peters!

LS> Leon [])

Sincerely, Yuri.

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19 May 97 20:24 -- Danil Ermakoff told Vyacheslav Mednonogov about Peters:

LS>>> will it be cooler than C=Amiga? ;-))
VM>> Clear stump :))
DE> Why Amiga! A/BOX is just a cheap toy next to this miracle of engineering
DE> thought!

It wasn’t close :)))))

With warm greetings, Slava.

VM> Clear stump :))

And in my opinion, this is a poor implementation of PC on our micro devices... So think
(if you don’t like the Amiga) is it worth buying THIS or PC... As for the
spec emulation - Shalaev is not enough for you?

PS. Slava, did you just dump your pussy on Petersburg? :)

Andrey Fedorov AKA Alien

VM> miracle computer. Really fancy. And the fact that you can easily
VM> watch AVI files and 256 high-resolution color images on it -

A vague feeling that something was wrong finally manifested itself.
The word _easy_ - especially touched me...
:)

Andrew

AF> And in my opinion this is a poor implementation of pC on our micro devices...

In any case, not on ours :) or :(

Andrew

AM> In any case - not ours :) or :(

The fact is that it’s wretched ;)... (this is not an attack)

PS. So Slava switched to Peters or not? ;)

Andrey Fedorov AKA Alien

VM>> Clear stump :))

AF> And in my opinion, this is a poor implementation of PC on our miniatures... So think
AF> (if you don’t like the Amiga) is it worth buying THIS or PC... About

I understand you are not satisfied with the first quote, but Apparently this will happen. And this
will rather be the implementation of the Amiga, or rather all its advantages, and it will also take
everything worthy from a PC, for example a minitower, as far as I know, stuffing an Amiga into a
minitower is a very troublesome task, and this is the most convenient way of not counting
various devices.

AF> Andrey Fedorov AKA Alien
Yours sincerely, Denis.

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AM> A vague feeling that something was wrong finally manifested itself.
AM> The word _easy_ especially touched me...
AM> :)

Well, so what, you’re used to taking a board on it, hanging an adapter,
controller
etc. ;-) And here, please, it’s easy! :-))))))))

AM> Andrew

All the best to you, Denis.

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The other day, Alexey Ivanov wrote to Leon Sukhanov, and I decided to intervene.

Hi, Alexey!

LS>> let’s talk about the history of creation! will it be cooler than C=Amiga? ;-))

AI> I don’t think so.... Motorola’s processor is just awesome...
AI> But look... Oh, whatever you want... 0.01
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AF>> think (if you don’t like the Amiga) is it worth buying THIS or
AF>> pC... How about

DP> I understand you are not satisfied with the first quote, but apparently it will be so. And
DP> it will be more likely the implementation of the Amiga, or rather all its advantages, and also

I Don’t Believe (C)

DP> everything worthy will be taken from a PC, for example a minitower, as far as I know
DP> stuffing an Amiga into a minitower is a very troublesome task,

Generally speaking, decent Amigas don’t need to be stuffed, they are produced in
minitower...

DP> and this is the most convenient way to not account for various devices.

Happy connections.
Roman.

Sunday, May 25, 97, already 11:25

Sat 24-May-97 06:47, Denis Parinov (812/08.16) (2:5030/446.11) wrote a
letter to Alexey Ivanov:

DP> And if you want someone who didn’t come on May 11, now on May 31
DP> they will show - come.

Darling. Look at the addresses, right? He'll come to you from Moscow in a minute...

With best wishes, Vladimir.

AF> The fact is that she’s miserable ;)... (this is not an attack)

So it’s a fact? As our mutual friend M. Romanov said, “don’t talk about what
you don’t know” :)

As an example: the owners of the offtopic are very proud of the ability
to display windows with different resolutions on one screen (somehow forgetting to mention
that these windows are the width of the whole screen :). So, the Peters developers went
further and propose opening an arbitrary number of windows of an arbitrary size with an arbitrary resolution (by the way, apparently, this idea was
implemented at a rudimentary level in Peters'256 and over these two years it has “accumulated fat”)

AF> Threat. So Slava switched to Peters or not? ;)

Well, not everything at once - it takes a year or two until it gets going :))

It's cool that Sprinter is the kind of computer for serious work
on which you definitely need to have a Pentium nearby (edit graphics, music,
megabytes of code :).

However:
a) there won't be a Sprinter emulator on IBM in the next five years :((
b) how unlikely is it that something like Microsoft Word, Corel Draw or Adobe
Photoshop will appear on the Sprinter itself :((

With warm greetings, Slava.

ps: for some reason you have a rather weak sense of humor on /221, you are kind of nervous :)))

DP(> I understand that you are not satisfied with the first quote, but apparently it will be so.

No, I’m not against cool computers, I just doubt it...

DP(> And this will be more likely the implementation of the Amiga, or rather all its advantages, but so

Again, I don’t believe it... Multitasking is not for you 2 bytes to send...

DP(> everything worthy will be taken from the PC, for example a minitower, as far as I know
DP(> stuffing an Amiga into a minitower is a very troublesome task, but this is the most convenient
DP(> way of not counting different devices.

4000 in really... Not a very smooth departure from the merits of the subja.. ;)

Andrey Fedorov AKA Alien

DP(> cooler in the sense that it’s ours!

Z80 (or whatever processor it’s on) they don’t do anything with us. We have KP580... ;)

PS. Have you seen Amiga?

Andrey Fedorov AKA Alien

Mon 18:41 26 May 1997 Andrew Fedorov writes to Denis Parinov (812/08.16):

AF> Z80 (or whatever it is) they don’t do anything with us. We have
AF> KP580... ;)

We have been making analogues of the Z80 for a long time.

AF> PS. Have you seen the Amiga?

Offtopic.

Best wishes! Michael KLUG

AF>> The fact is that she’s miserable ;)... (this is not an attack)

VM> So, it’s a fact? As our mutual friend M. Romanov said, “don’t talk about
VM> what you don’t know” :)

Have you seen the smiley? What could be good about 8 bits? ;)
Damn, whoever you hang out with, you'll gain... :(

VM> As an example: the owners of the offtopic are very proud of the ability
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Look at yourself!.. ;)

VM> displaying windows with different resolutions on one screen (somehow forgetting
VM> to mention that these windows are the width of the whole screen :). So, the developers of
VM> Peters went further and propose opening an arbitrary number of windows
VM> of arbitrary size with an arbitrary resolution (by the way, apparently, this idea
VM> was implemented at an embryonic level in Peters'256 and for these two years
VM> “accumulated fat”)

And even now I’ll go and look at all the genius (read misery :)
of this company!.. Then I’ll say...

VM> ps: what’s wrong with you /221 with a complete sense of humor a bit weak, nervous
VM> you are kind of :)))

Nice picture. Slava, you defend him so fiercely that you have become personal... ;)

And even if it is by inertia... :)

Andrey Fedorov AKA Alien

DP>> this will be more likely the implementation of the Amiga, or rather all its advantages, as well as

RA> I Don’t Believe (C)

Roman I’m waiting for you to meet with the Peters, don’t be so categorical. The Peters
ask
what do you (the Spectrumists) want to see in the new computer besides what is already there?
On May 11, they tore out that they wanted an additional mode (as in various
set-top boxes
with several planes) to make it easier to carry games. The Peters said - let's do it! Well, look at Mac, PC, Amiga and tell me what you need - why are you
sure
that Russian specialists are worse than Western ones and will not be able to implement the same or even
better?
:-(

DP>> cramming an Amiga into a minitower is a very troublesome task,

RA> Generally speaking, there is no need to cram decent Amigas, they are produced in
RA> minitower...

define decent/indecent ;-) . As far as I know, the Amigi (which is the most widespread) has only a system expansion connector, and in order to cram it all into a minitower, they ask for a lot of money. It's much cheaper to buy Sprinter :-).

RA> Enjoy your connections.
RA> Roman.

Sincerely, Denis.

P.S. Dear Sirs! PC people, Amig people! I am not the first nor the second,
I am the most ordinary spektrumist and if anyone sees the abovesome
context, I assure you - it seemed to you. I just really want Spectrum
not to die, but to rejoice with new good opportunities.

Sincerely yours, Denis.

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DP> Well, so what, you’re used to taking a board on it, hanging an adapter,
DP> controller, etc. ;-) And here, please, it’s easy! :-))))))))

Well, you better prove this to a potential consumer...
:)

Andrew

27 May 97 18:22 -- Andrew Fedorov told Vyacheslav Mednonogov about Re: Peters:

AF> And if I go now and look at all the genius (read squalor
AF> :) of this company!.. Then I’ll say...

Wow! Another conversation :)

Warm greetings, Slava.

SE> No. (so as not to mislead people)
SE> To make such a statement, you must know at least a little about the architecture of the Amiga, which
SE> is not observed.

Well, you're damn like Zonov
SZ> “I haven’t seen the computer, but here’s what I think about it!”

To make such statements, you must know at least a little about the architecture
Sprinter!

SE> WBR, Sergey Egorov.

With Best regards, Denis.

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Mon May 26, 1997 03:09, Vladimir Larkov wrote to Denis Parinov (812/08.16):

VL> Hello, Denis!

VL> Dear. Look at the addresses, right? He'll come to you from Moscow in a minute...

And I thought it was AMiS and forwarded it to him. While I was forwarding, in the nodelist
I came across such a (!) number of Alexey Ivanov in Moscow...

Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov

AI> А я подумал, что это было AMiSу и ему отфорвардил. While I was forwarding, in the
AI> nodelist I came across such a (!) number of Alexey Ivanov in
AI> Moscow...

AI> Yours sincerely, Alexey Ivanov

I read and think - When did I write this?

F)
Yours sincerely, Alexey (/AmiS/)

... UI120:ENFIBLAEBALGJJMBDFEGFHGIKIMBBIAANBCTSHHAAAD

AF> Умильнaя кaртинкa. Slava, you defend him so fiercely that you have become
AF> personal... ;)

And you scold him so fiercely that you can involuntarily become personal :(.

VL> Dear. Look at the addresses, right? He'll come to you from Moscow in a minute...

:))) Well, I'm lost! Although there would be a desire! They will come to Enlight!

VL> With best wishes, Vladimir.

Sincerely, Denis.

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AF>>> pC... What about
DP>> I understand that you are not satisfied with the first quote, but apparently it will be so.
AF> No, I’m not against cool computers, I just doubt it...

:-\ I got excited there, don’t be offended, plz! OK!

DP>> And this will most likely be an implementation of the Amiga, or rather all its advantages, and so
AF> Again, I don’t believe it... Multitasking is not about sending 2 bytes...

On Sprinter there is something like 4 bytes that need to be transferred for this :).

AF> 4000 in the total... Not really a smooth departure from the merits of the subja.. ;)

I agree! And it stands as if it were made of gold ;-).

AF> you defend it so fiercely

No, I’m trying to be objective ;))))

Of course, there is also a subzh:

I don’t really understand, but it seems that there are some internal ports in the Z84C15.
The Peters really liked it and they put a keyboard and mouse on them. Because
of which each key press generates an interrupt (NMI?). One minus is already known - programs with disabled interrupts will not respond to the keyboard.
The second minus is that fast data/graphics transfer based on
transfer via PUSH/POP (since the interrupt uses the stack) will not work. Accordingly,
the mouse is no longer a Kempston, but an IBM mouse (what were we fighting for?)
True, F. Peters is going to fix this.

Is it necessary to read from video RAM, which is not there now - IMHO, a controversial point.
A rather unpleasant moment is that under the wing of F. Peters
the viKS company has warmed up (not to be confused with Ilya Vasiliev!), which is today
the only St. Petersburg company openly engaged in piracy.

With warm greetings, Slava.

Mon May 26, 1997, Andrew Fedorov wrote to Denis Parinov (812/08.16) about
AF> The Z80 (or whatever process it is on) they don’t do anything with us. We have KP580...
AF> ;)
And 1858vm1,2,3.. T34vm1 What do you think?

Bye! It was nice talking to Andrew!
WBR! Maxim Polyanskiy.
... If you drive more quietly, you will continue... From the place where you are going.

VM> I don’t really understand, but it seems that there are some internal
VM> ports in the Z84C15. The Peters really liked it and installed a
VM> keyboard and mouse on them. Because of this, each keystroke generates a
VM> interrupt (NMI?). One minus is already known - programs with prohibited interruptions will not respond to the
VM> keyboard. The second minus is that it won’t work

Wow, how everything is running... (c) Did you Slava write something with the allowed ones? ;)

VM> fast data/graphics transfer based on transfer via PUSH/POP
VM> (since the interrupt uses the stack). Accordingly, the mouse is no longer

Damn, all the achievements in the field of coding perversions over the last couple of years are down the drain...

VM> Kempston, and an IBM mouse (what did we fight for?)
VM> True, F. Peters is going to fix this.

Well, well... No you need to promise, but immediately do it humanely...

VM> Is it necessary to read from video RAM, which does not exist now - IMHO, a controversial
VM> point.
VM> A rather unpleasant moment is that under the wing of F. Peters
VM> the company viKS has taken refuge (not to be confused with Ilya Vasiliev!), which is at
VM> today the only St. Petersburg company openly engaged
VM> in piracy.

:|

Andrey Fedorov AKA Alien