Enlight organization

Tuesday October 07 1997 13:49, Sergei Novikov ─── Max Romanoff:

AI>>> 2All: why are we silent?

MR>> What can we say? Enlight is a proper name, and no one except its
MR>> authors will be able to organize ENLIGHT (this
MR>> word should not be understood as the name of a demo party in general)...
SN> What, is this a registered name?
Wow... How long ago has “registration” become necessary? So the arguments with me regarding SPF and ZN-2 were not in vain? Have you finally decided to respect the law?
Well then, I’ll answer you with the words of Matveev - “do you have a conscience? Why are you staking your claim on our name?”

Good luck! Evgeny.

■ The night is shorter than the day... The day will kill me... The world of illusions burns down in it. (C) Aria.

10 Oct 97 18:53, Max Romanoff wrote to Alex Kovrigin:

MR> But, a good thought comes after :)))) And so it seems like nothing
MR> happened.. At least 160 pictures can be shown in
MR> a very short time... (which says that next time
MR> you can do more :))))

50 frames per second? Three seconds and a penny is enough! :)))
Sincerely
┬ ┬┌┐┬┐ ┐┬┬
╨╜╨╙╜╨╙ ╨ ╨

Thu 09 Oct 1997 16:30, Max Romanoff wrote to Alexey Ivanov:

AI>> But here you are wrong. We know how to
AI>> organize Spectrum Parties ;)

MR> where does so much experience come from?

Is this jealousy of your E?
If you have experience, then you have it and no one is wasting water here.

MR> The maximum that you needed to do in
MR> this year was to come to an agreement with organizers of 2 of your parties, and
MR> to attend at least one. (by Sinclair).

We were preparing to go to St. Petersburg.

AI>> We can organize everything at a normal level, but under
AI>> the condition - only Spectrum.

MR> Do you have experience, or is this just empty chatter? IMHO, you still can’t do without green
MR> presidents...

If St. Petersburg can’t do without presidents, then we can definitely do without.

P.S. I no longer respond to Mikhailov’s attacks in the echo.
Let the empty bucket rattle alone.

Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov

AI>> But here you are wrong. We know how to organize Spectrum Parties
AI>> ;)

MR> where does so much experience come from? The maximum that you needed to do this
MR> year was to come to an agreement with the organizers of your 2 parties, and at least be present at
MR> one. (by Sinclair).

More than one Spectrum demo party per year is overkill. No one (²AM: almost ;)
would come to both, and prepare 2 demos in a year too.

With God's blessing, Novikov Sergei AKA Spirit/STEP

... Now I lay me down to sleep, I pray the Lord my Soul to keep.

SN>> What, is this a registered name?

MR> Are you so stupid that you can’t understand this? Why don't they make Mercedes in our country? They took and called the Volga a Mercedes,
MR> maybe it would be better?... :)

Do you think that Mercedes is not a registered trademark?

MR> Come up with YOUR own name - and go ahead! There is no 'own Moscow
MR> Enlight' :)

SN>> Well, Bytefall definitely was.

MR> Yeah, that means BK-MANIA was also...

What I don’t know, I don’t know. But one does not follow from the other (to prove
that Bytefall happened, you can read X-RAY#4, where it was described in detail.

MR>> Why don’t they make Mercedes in our country? They took and
MR>> called the Volga a Mercedes, maybe it would be better?... :)

SN> Do you think that Mercedes is an unregistered trademark
SN> mark?

Be that as it may, the copyright on the name belongs to its author and
whether it is registered or not does not matter, since the authorship here is obvious and
unshakable. These are the laws.

Accordingly, in Moscow the name Party was made different. With all the consequences.
Including posting information on your WEB sites.

Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov

SN> I need to sleep less

I didn’t sleep. everything was fine. only one channel was quieter... and
there were overloads. everything.

Good Luck...

... C:\WINDOWS>DEL . - I feel better now!

MR> it turned out.. At least 160 pictures can be shown in a very
MR> short time... (which means that next time you can do
MR> more :))))

By reducing the viewing time of each picture? ;)

With all kinds of regards and wishes.
Igor.

... In ancient times they were looking for a person, now - sponsors.

Эхи надо читать :)

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от: Alexander Matchugovsky, (2:5020/996.21@FidoNet). к: All
пpо: Demo Party
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GoodNight, All!

Tут нaмeчaeтcя нa 15-16-17 aвгуcтa кpутaя Demo Party (в Mocквe)
c нoчными диcкoтeкaми (a тoчнee, c тaнцпoлaми, пoтoму кaк игpaть
тaм будут нe диcкo :)
C утpa дo вeчepa будeт coбиpaтьcя вecь кoмпьютepный люд и любoвaтьcя
выcтaвляeмыми нa вceoбщee oбoзpeниe Demo, Intro, гpaфику (GIF,JPG,TGA...)
и музыку (MOD,S3M,XM...), a зaoднo и гoлocoвaть (зaпoлнять aнкeты) зa тo,
чтo бoльшe вceгo пoнpaвилocь (т.к. вce пoкaзывaeмoewritten specifically for
this Demo Party (in common parlance - a festival of computer art)).
And from 22:00 until the opening of the next day (11:00) - dancing all night.
All these Demo, Intro etc. will run on:

> - IBM PC
> - AMiGA 4000
> - BK0011

If you are interested, I can send you the text of the official invitation.

Bye. Yours Manwe/SandS.
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pain!

what are they talking about?
Regards, Shark

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* Origin: Fuerte y sano sueno. 03:19
─ ZX.SPECTRUM (2:5030/362.4) ───────────────────────────────────── ZX.SPECTRUM
Msg : 10545 of 13057 From : XPEh of LooKER 2:5020/659.63
07 Aug 97 23:01:16 Subj : ByteFall'97
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Hello Everyone!!!
I bring to the attention of all Speccy fans the following:
that in the near future there will be \/ this \/ event in Moscow.

ByteFall'97
&
BK-mania'97

BYTEFALL CLUB (IBM)
LooKER hOUSE (AMiGA)
StroginoPC (BK0010)
&
Center for Aesthetic Education of Alexey Egorov
AMiGA-Line
BC Users Club
with
information support from Radio "RAKURS"

============/cut out, see below, Max/==========

And now the most important thing! It looks like there won't be a BYTEFALL! :))))
More precisely, it is most likely that everything that was written above was written regarding the PC
since the organization failed on the PC side and therefore for now the first day of the party will definitely
and be stable, and what will happen next is still hard to say
but most likely there will be a second and third day, but all this will be
in the same room, not around the clock and perhaps without special participation
BYTEFALL GROUP...:((

P.S. So BYTEFALL now turns out not BYTEFALL, but BC-Mania + AMiGA..
And it is possible that some time will be allotted for Speccy....
come, I think that you will be interested in seeing what people are doing right now on BC with an AY chip.... well, look at AMiG for those
who have not seen and do not know what this is!!!

C Ya...on the party!

XPEh of LooKER & Manwe of Sands....

--- Spot 1.3a #6791
* Origin: AMiGA is expensive, But AMiGA is good!!=== Cut ===

As you know, BF did take place, and as a disco, it probably had no
equals :) /See Nikron/ But like a demo party...

Perhaps I am like SN (I judge what I haven’t seen based on a few lines of text), but there was not a single letter from a BF participant in this echo after it was held! In St. Petersburg there was one man with a gun, and in Moscow there was a crowd with an axe. So
think it’s cooler ;)

Warm greetings, Slava!

AM> He strayed into exactly one picture, and in the other direction,

strayed into one picture, which for some unknown reason he didn’t want
show up.

AM> so voting for pictures above 100 made no sense.

and then - above 150, because there was a hole in 10 pictures...

Good Luck...

... (A)bort, (R)etry, (G)et a beer?

VM> Ehi need to read :)

not poal, it was one or several pati? :)

Good Luck...

... Windows: From the people who brought you EDLIN!

07 Oct 97 14:50, Sergei Novikov reported to Max Romanoff about {Enlight Organization
}:

MR>> Moscow could hold 2 parties this year. Ha Bytefall and BKmania.
MR>> (if I’m not mistaken, these were 2 different parties).
MR>> But they didn’t.

IG> By reducing the viewing time of each picture? ;)

patipu. although, I think, if they made a robot that spoke and
showed with a shutter speed of 5 seconds (even nonsense), then the people would not
stand it :)

Good Luck...

... It takes a Real Man to sit indoors all day doing this.

:)))
so, now I will also talk about Enlight :) I am for Enlight
arms and legs (even though I am in Australia)

> Warm greetings, Slava!

mutually....

Regards,
Random,
Lord of Chaos.

e-mail: ran...@cybermail.net

Concern Chaos WWW HQ: http://www.cybermail.net/~random/
The Speccy Zone :
http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/motorola/134/index.html
Cha0s Files :
http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/motorola/146/index.html

SN> Of course. What should I do at a piss-back-Amiga party?

No way, are you writing here from the Spectrum?

Good Luck...

... Dogs crawl under fences, Software crawls under Windows.

MR>> where does so much experience come from?

AI> Is this jealousy of your E?

didn’t understand this phrase :)

AI> If there is experience, then there is, and no one here wastes water it’s pouring.

where can you have experience if you’ve never
held such events?

AI> We were preparing to go to St. Petersburg.

by the way, they didn’t stack up. and if you had thought in advance (not
a week), then maybe there would have been something in Moscow... and so...
we were preparing... there’s no excuse.

AI> If in St. Petersburg they can’t do without presidents, then we can definitely do.

tafay. then we'll see how you sell the apartment :)

AI> P.S. I no longer respond to Mikhailov’s attacks in the echo.
AI> Let the empty bucket rattle alone.

s?

Good Luck...

... Windows working. Do you want (w)aiting or (s)leeping

Sunday October 12 1997 00:02, Sergei Novikov wrote to Vyacheslav Mednonogov:

SN> From XR4 it is clear that everything was decent. The main thing is that it happened.

VM>> (Although you probably weren’t there either ;)

SN> Of course. What should I do at a pissy-back-up-amiga party?

Look, evaluate - you live in Moscow... You can’t miss this.

cYa, aARTY/dR! · · ··· Email: Ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · ···

MR> got lost in one picture, which for unknown reasons did not want
MR> to be shown.
I can only judge from the viewer’s side, so from my side it looked
as I described, by the way, it was not only me who noticed this, and the number of people who were not happy with the competition
graphics, at the time holding, there were no less
dissatisfied with the music competition.

VY> 50 fps? Three seconds with pennies will suffice! :)))

:)

Good Luck...

... Have you crashed your Windows today?

VM> Perhaps I'm like SN (I judge what I haven't seen based on a few
VM> lines of text), but there was _not a single_ letter from the BF participant in this echo
VM> after it was held!

Why? For offtopic? There was no Spectrum there.

AI>> we can make do.

MR> tafai. then we'll see how you sell your apartment :)

Well, if you can sell your apartment, then I can earn enough not to sell mine. <- no emoticon here.

And stop this childish talk.

Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov

Monday October 13 1997 16:14, Max Romanoff wrote to Artem Kharitonov:

AH>> At the beginning there was no one channel!

MR> right, left or middle? (:

I don’t remember exactly, but one thing was definitely missing. Mic with Rom and Fux were brought onto the stage and were indignant for a long time until they “shut up” the mono.

MR> Good Luck...

MR> ... Windows NT: Vapourware of the desperate and scared.

cYa, aRTY/dR! · · ··· Email: Ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · ···

AI> Yes, we hold a Party every Sunday. Here. ;)

yes? hurt yourself. that means we will all come to you in St. Petersburg, as soon as we arrive, you
will know :)))) (yes, one NOP party will be enough :))))

AI> That’s right, we didn’t officially do it, but looking at St. Petersburg and being
AI> confident in our abilities, we can quite do it.

try it. But it’s better not to tell the GOP until you’ve done it.

AI> Why am I making excuses for you? Let those who did not
AI>participate tell you. What do I need?

this is just an excuse. rotten excuse. you COULD have agreed with
the organizers, but you didn’t agree...

AI> Well, if you can sell your apartment, then I can earn so much
AI> not to sell mine. <- no smiley here.

well?! Either your apartments in Moscow are cheap, or you are a new
Russian :)

AI> And stop this childish talk.

childish? These are your excuses - children's. and the only talk is that they say,
we, yes we, yes cooler! :))))

Good Luck...

... Windows Error 2.23x10^56: Program Too Cool.

AI> I know for sure that he has two of them.

I know for sure that he writes with special emphasis. At least 3. nothing changes
from this...

Good Luck...

... WIN.INI not found. I hope to God you can still do DOS.

SN> Nope... So what?

no, nothing... just a statement of fact.

Good Luck...

... If you smoke after sex, you're doing it too fast.

13 Oct 97 21:23, Vsevolod Potapov informed All about {Re: Enlight's organization}:

VP> I wonder, the more the party costs, the crappier the organization? Maybe this
VP> applies to everything? That's why Spectrum is the best computer! :). VP> throw a new one so that the guys from non-USSR will look (I have 004).

No, it’s not planned. Here the game itself remains to be riveted 4 levels + slightly
modified :)

VP> and weakly make the interface in English as well? please ?

There is no text interface - everything is icons, and money/forest is numbers. And
how the heroes are called - does it really matter :)

But I can anglicize UFO-1/2 by 99%, and very quickly :)

VP> so, now I’ll also talk about Enlight :) I’m for Enlight
VP> with my hands and feet (even though I’m in Australia)

Enlight... In Australia... That would be something :)

With warm regards, Glory!

Oh, how you have already tortured Enlight with this!

Smart people have long drawn conclusions, and if anyone still has doubts, then no
no one will help them! Everyone will still have their own opinion! Some people may like THIS, some may not, and that’s all! This is the same as convincing a writer that
AMIGA is cooler than his Nx86, no matter what arguments you give! My personal opinion
Enlight'97 cannot be digested without beer! If you get drunk like KAF, then everything will be
RULEZ, and if you're sober, then... And in general, this is always how events happen
who have problems with finances. There is no finance, no future E98 or F98, etc.
(well, maybe there will be, but they won’t go far from E97 without $) Even in Moscow you are unlikely to find so many altruists.

PS: In essence, the organization: during the course of the play, a drawing of lots is needed! After all, a lot depends on
the order of the show!

Ivan

> VP> I wonder, the more the party costs, the crappier the organization? Maybe this
>VP> applies to everything? That's why Spectrum is the best computer! :).

MR> I know exactly what he writes from the heart.

Wow, how insightful you are... Well, so what of this? 99% of people who write here are not from Spectrum. So, there aren’t, let’s say, his fans among them? Lame.

With God's blessing, Sergei Novikov AKA Spirit/STEP

Fri 10-Oct-97 18:53, Max Romanoff (2:5030/221.16@fidonet) wrote a letter
Alex Kovrigin, well, I’ll add:

AK>> at first they showed by double-clicking, and then they marked everything and clicked
AK>> show button. I was very pleased with this, but I also can’t understand why
AK>> they didn’t do it right away.

[...]

MR> until the 95th picture, the pictures were demonstrated by IWAMOTO himself! with the help of
MR> its cunning zxfilesystem

Well, the file system was only needed for copying from two disks ;)

MR> + its viewer.

The viewer IMHO was standard, it’s just that MaxI had it configured in a different way - first
Spek’s screen was recoded somehow converter into a certain humpback format,
and only then the viewer displayed this screen. Hence the long pauses.

MR> Both disks were copied to RAM: and were demonstrated using
MR> using VISAGE (he used zx.datatype)

Yep. It's much faster. ;) More precisely - instantly.

With best wishes, Vladimir.

AL> Spectrum2IFF???

NO! was shown through Visage, which used zx.datatype

Good Luck...

... Unix: the operating system of the future of the past.

IT> Oh, how you have already tormented Enlight with this!

me?! I'm just trying to modestly report that there can be no E98 anywhere except 5030.
IT> Smart people made conclusions long ago, and if anyone still has doubts, then no one will help them
IT>! All the same, everyone will remain with their opinion! There can be no opinions here. (I’m talking about the name)

IT> maybe they liked THIS, someone didn’t, and that’s all! This is the same as
IT> convincing a writer that AMIGA is cooler than his Nx86, no matter what arguments
IT> give! Personally, my opinion is that Enlight'97 cannot be digested without beer! If
IT> you get drunk like KAF, then everything will be RULEZ, and if you are sober, then... And
IT> in general, there are always events like this that have problems with finances.
IT> There are no finances and there are no future E98 or F98, etc. (well, maybe there will be, but
IT> they won’t leave far from E97 without $) Even in Moscow you’ll hardly find
IT> so many altruists.

yes, this year Moscow COULD do zx. party, but didn’t do it.

IT> PS: In essence, the organization: during the course of the play, a draw of works is needed! After all
IT> a lot depends on the order of the show!

for this, participants must arrive 1 day in advance.

Good Luck...

... Demons are a Ghouls bestFriend.

Monday October 13 1997 03:20, Eugene Kalinin wrote to Max Romanoff:

EK> Damn, although I’m ashamed, I admit that I couldn’t stand the demo anymore and passed out from the
EK> loud music for about 5 minutes (it’s not comfortable to sleep there), but I fell asleep on the
EK> plasma and woke up on her, that’s what surprised me. :)

Really interesting impressions... Maybe you can write a short story: A dream in
demo... =)

cYa, aRTY/dR! · · ··· Email: Ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · ···

SN> So, for example, people should have shown the same demo 2 times: on BF
SN> and E? |<(

if someone had gotten involved in advance, and people knew that this year
there will be 2 parties, then I think it wouldn’t have come to the point where identical works
were exhibited...

I’m talking about the fact that in a year you can make more than one demo.

Good Luck...

... Hey, I ran Windows the other day and it didn't crash!

AI> No one tried to negotiate and no such goals were set.

So, I’m talking about the fact that it will be even more difficult for you to do something yourself.

AI> In any case, I support my apartment and my family myself, without
AI> outside help.

well, selling too you ;)

AI> And instead of getting sensible and useful advice (we try for
AI> everyone), we run into such rude and dishonest attacks. Conscience,
AI> Max, you must have.

I have. I wish the same for you. Do not try to drive in someone else's name.

Good Luck...

... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (P)anic

MR>> Moreover, all ZX graphics were shown on AMIGA. And not in editors,
MR>> but in a simple system viewer. (looked through different pictures).

AL> Spectrum2IFF???

For example, everything seems to be multiview.

__ With cre...@online.nsk.su
__/// Best 39:245/1.0@amiganet
\XX/ Regards 2:5000/28.19@fidonet

Regards,
Random ,
Lord of Chaos.

e-mail: ran...@cybermail.net

Concern Chaos WWW HQ: http://www.cybermail.net/~random/
The Speccy Zone : http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/motorola/134/index.html
Cha0s Files : http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/motorola/146/index.html

AH> Organizers - rabbits, security - kangaroos =)

Marsupials. :-))))

Sincerely, Alex from FFC COMPUTERS.

Regards,
Random ,
Lord of Chaos.

e-mail: ran...@cybermail.net

Concern Chaos WWW HQ: http://www.cybermail.net/~random/
The Speccy Zone : http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/motorola/134/index.html
Cha0s Files : http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/motorola/146/index.html

AH> Near the exit... =)))

next to the exit is not so interesting :)

Good Luck...

... #@$ffwe99fjaljk Hey! Get the cat off the keyboard!

MR>>> In addition, all ZX graphics were shown on AMIGA. And not in editors,
MR>>> but in a simple system viewer. (looked through different pictures).

It’s quiet outside the window, and I’m sitting and writing a response to a letter written from Sergei Novikov to
Max Romanoff Mon Oct 20, 1997 at 18:58...

MR>> I’m talking about the fact that you can make more than one demo in a year.
SN> Complete insanity, IMHO... No one will make 2 small demos instead
SN> one big one.

Hmm. I read somewhere that demos for inlight were written in the last week, they were finalized almost on the inlight itself... And in a year, even without rushing, you can pick up so many demos... Like dirt. :)

With all kinds of regards and wishes.
Igor.

... Education: movement from self-confidence to thoughtful indecision.

Sun 19 Oct 1997 20:24, Max Romanoff wrote to Alexey Ivanov:

MR> So, I’m talking about the fact that it will be even more difficult for you to do something yourself
MR>.

You know, it’s like the mean screams of a dude who stands aside and
rolls over the other two, who they're dragging something heavy.
Instead of helping with something, he sits and makes fun of them...

MR> well, selling to you too ;)

It's not your problem anymore.

IG> Hmm. I read somewhere that demos for inlight were written in the last week
IG> were finalized almost on the inlite itself... And in a year, even without rushing
IG> you can pick up so many demos... Like dirt. :)

Fashions in demomaking come and go for different effects very often. Who knows
what will be cool in a year. If they had written in six months, then on E'97 you could have seen the scrollbars in demos! :-))))))

ZxNet: 095/100.99, FidoNet: 2:5020/689.1, InterNet: reviv...@chat.ru,
Phone: (095) 952-46-19 [16.00-18.00]

21 Oct 97 04:43, Vsevolod Potapov informed All about {Re: Enlight's Organization}:

VP> LaughterUpper

Is this the translation? :)))

Warm greetings, Slava!

SN> Do you think it's that simple? Come up with new effects, draw new cool
SN> pictures...

I have absolutely no idea. I'm not a programmer, not an artist, not a musician. I'm just a viewer/user. That's why it seems that writing a demo/intro is much easier than creating a game (not remixing, but creating). Imagine what would happen if Slava Copper riveted games at the UFO level as intra-digital reality. ;)
/2DR: nothing personal, I just came across J)/

AI> You know, it looks like the vile screams of a guy who stands aside and
AI> rolls over the other two who are dragging something heavy.
AI> Instead of helping with something, he sits and makes fun of them...

I'm not making fun of them, but stating a fact. This year we didn't join - next year it will be even more difficult to do it ourselves.

AI> worry. And even at the very beginning of the discussion, I personally supported the change
AI> of the name.

well done. Let's finish this rotten market.

Good Luck...

... After a few years in space, even Worf started to look good...

SN> OK. Let's ask the demomakers themselves if they would like to make 2 demos in a year instead of one. DR (Arty), Colver (PGS), au!!!

wrong question:

correct: can you make more than 1 demo, taking into account valuable
prizes?

Good Luck...

... 3.141592653589793238462643383279502883197116939937510... I forget the rest

AL> It seems like you have a datatype, not a multiview. And this little girl just gets
AL> IFF.

datatype doesn’t show anything. :) It just digests it into a digestible
format :))))

Good Luck...

... (A)bort, (R)etry, (T)ake down the entire network?

SN>> for a year instead of one. DR (Arty), Colver (PGS), au!!!

MR> question is not correct:

MR> correct: can you make more than 1 demo, taking into account valuable
MR> prizes?

What valuable prizes? What are you talking about?