Does anyone need a thread?

VM> What happened last/this year? 50% of the pictures are scanned. And
VM> where did Larkov look :(( Maybe we should carry out two components - from
VM> scanned and drawn? :))

It was just that the work had to be selected, which was not the case due to the very tight
deadlines... But to make 2 components...

Why? Can we also do RayTracing ZX? The topic should be
*WHAT* *CAN* be done on a ZX *WITH YOUR HANDS*, and not on a PE-CE, or an Amiga.

Otherwise, this will already be a competition between PC players and Amiga guys: who has
a bigger pussy...

If next. next year there will be the same mess, then I undertake to put my hand
to it and fill it with color graphics by RML ;)

P.S. How about color animation? ;)

Good Luck...

... It is by alone coffee I set my mind in motion.
It is by the beans of Java that thoughts require speed.
The hands require shaking, the shaking is a warning.
It is by coffee alone I set my mind in motion.

MR> It was just that the work had to be selected, which was not the case due to the very tight
MR> deadlines...

Initially there was an expectation that on the first day there would only be acceptance of work, and
compos - on the second. Therefore, we had the whole night to sort out the work. Then the schedule changed and all that remained was to disqualify work that contradicted the rules in the period after the show and before summing up the results (night and next day). But since there are no official results, there is no point in disqualifying anything. The viewer/players will include _all_ works, including those that would be
disqualified (such as scanned pictures and more from one
author).

With best wishes, Vladimir.

28 Sep 97 17:51, Max Romanoff reported to Vyacheslav Mednonogov about {Who-thread
needs?}:

MR> P.S. How about color animation? ;)

Unfortunately, with the current level of technology, this thing is not yet
available for spec :(((((...except for stupid attribute animations

Warm greetings, Slava!

IK> Yes, let the Amizhniki envy!

what? To whom? You're driving. It’s you who have been jealous all your life, and you will be,
emulators, damn it...

p.s. give ColorAnim COMPO! :)

Good Luck...

... Macintosh - the computer with training wheels that you can't take off.

MR> timing... And make 2 components...

MR> Why? Can we also do RayTracing ZX? The topic should be
MR> *WHAT* *CAN* be done on a ZX * WITH YOUR HANDS*, and not on a PE-CE, or an Amiga.

MR> Otherwise, it will already be a competition between PC players and Amiga guys: who
MR> has a bigger pussy...

MR> If next. next year there will be the same mess, then I undertake to put my hand
MR> to it, and fill it with color graphics by RML ;)

Tue 30 Sep 1997 20:55, Sergei Novikov wrote to Alex Mikhailov:

SN> If there were opportunities... There are no Spectrum companies in Moscow (IFK
SN> does not count) who could become a sponsor. But even in St. Petersburg, Spectrum companies don’t have extra money?!

If Spectrumists make a Party for themselves, sponsors and “bloodsuckers” hovering around such events are not needed. Everything is within our power.

Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov

30 Sep 97 20:55, Sergei Novikov wrote to Alex Mikhailov:
[...]
SN> That’s right. People don't care whether it's in St. Petersburg or Moscow. Only
SN> there will be fewer St. Petersburg residents (okay, it’s time to get used to driving yourself ;)))
SN> - no offense). And it’s not a matter of the number of people.
This needs to be done somehow more centrally, maybe then more people
will come from the 46th region, we need to take into account the specifics of the neighboring countries. For example, I'll get to Moscow, but somehow it doesn't last... I'm more than sure that many
think the same way.

Oleg

... The Ultimate Virus: A self installing copy of "Win95".

OB> This needs to be done somehow more centrally, maybe then more people
OB> will come from the 46th region, we need to take into account the specifics of the neighboring countries. For example,
OB> I can get to Moscow, but somehow it doesn’t last... I’m more than sure that
OB> many people think the same way.

Among the real contenders are Moscow and St. Petersburg. Ukraine and Belarus -
difficult, expensive and customs. Vryatli.
Sincerely Yours RkS

One day Mon Sep 29 1997 00:36, Max Romanoff wrote a letter to Vladimir Larkov:

MR> In foreign parties it is done simply: you imagine at least 3
MR> intermediate options for work... That is. so that you can see the process
MR> of creation...

So, in order for the organizers to be able to look at all this and decide
what to put on the compo and what not, the work must be submitted at least 24 hours before
the start of the session.

Well, that’s all, Ilya !

AH> Would you like a video for 10 discs? With your color animation you
AH> will fly by... Here's how we render/film for 30 minutes... =)))

Well... color animation from video? two fingers. :)

Good Luck...

... Windows 3.1: the training wheels are bigger than the bicycle.

IF> So, in order for the organizers to look at all this and
IF> decide what to put on the compo and what not, work needs to be done in at least
IF> days provide before the start of the session.

In principle, yes, but intermediate work is reviewed in controversial
cases, when there is suspicion.

Good Luck...

... A big enough hammer fixes anything.

03 Oct 97 13:34, Sergei Novikov wrote to Oleg Bashtenko:
[...]
SN> Moscow is like Rome: all roads lead to it - you can get there from any region
SN> you can get there without transfers - another plus.
^^^^^^^^^^^
And this is the most basic fact!
PS: Well, what about Task Force... ?

Oleg AKA Olav

... I was surrounded by nice, nice people, slowly squeezing the ring...

MR> what? To whom? You're driving. It's you who envy all your life, and you will,
MR> emulators, damn it...
You're talking about emulators. I have a spec that I assembled and built about four years ago, on it I watched and continue to watch everything that comes my way. And I only like the Amiga for demos. Games (for example, 3D)
require a lot of bells and whistles, which the guy who shipped me the Amiga simply
didn’t have due to their cost. And as for envy... What is there to envy?
I haven’t seen anything on the Amiga other than dem, what can one envy. Although I
didn't see that much. Sorry, but almost all the Amizhniki with whom I communicated, both Speck and PC criticized me. They shouted Amiga Rulez & everything else mustdie! And what’s the main joke, _everyone_ without exception tried
to sell me 600 for $400, 1200 for $700-800 ;)
The Amiga is of course good, but I’m happy with my stump & my old Spec.

MR> p.s. give ColorAnim COMPO! :)
And then ;)

Adios, amigo Max.
Ilya Katargin, September 30, 97 AD, 00:25.
... Do you want CHEAT (Y/N)? ..But no

VM> Don't tell me... So, first of all, you'll process 400-700
VM> frames with pens... And all the same, it will suck (IMHO)

With pens? Why? We will make an automatic machine! :)

It doesn't suck, but it should look good.

Good Luck...

... There cannot be a crisis today; my schedule is already full.

MR> Well... color animation with video? two fingers. :).

__
__ /// 3and hereby I say goodbye,
\\\///
\XX/ Alexander Maksimov

[killed]

IK> I haven’t seen that much. Sorry, but almost all the Amizhniki with whom I
IK> communicated, both Speck and PC criticized me. They shouted Amiga Rulez & everything else
IK> mustdie! And what’s the main joke, _everyone_, without exception, tried

Brilliance and rut!!! It depends on the people, not on the platform.

Regards, Alex from FFC COMPUTERS.

Sun 05 Oct 1997 22:33, Max Romanoff wrote to Vyacheslav Mednonogov:

VM>> figure out how to distinguish scanned graphics from those made
VM>> manually.

MR> what the heck. So you can see it by eye.

On the subject there was a tin can that looked like a scanned one, but I know for sure that
it was drawn by hand. How to tell the difference?

Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov

Nevermind. One of my friends wrote a really cool program that does a lot of calculations, and after it works, it’s almost impossible to tell whether it’s a high-quality picture or a HandWork one. So...

Max! __ __ ! __! __! __
LMS !( )(__ !(__!!__) ! (__( (_!_)
________) !___ !___

IK>> Amiga, it simply wasn’t there due to their cost. And as for envy...
IK>> What to envy?
MA> Poverty is not a vice; it’s no good to reproach a person with this, after all, not everyone has 200MMX
MA... And to envy everything that is not on the PC. (and nowhere else)
So he spent all his money on the Spectrum ;) He constantly traveled from Ryazan to Moscow
and bought from Kano/ex-MKHG all sorts of software rubbish, which then no one
buyed. I just haven’t seen him for a long time, maybe he now has a cool
car (monitor, screw, CD-ROM, etc.), I’ll come to him and be jealous ;)))

But the Spectrum is still the steering wheel :)

Adios, amigo Maksimov.
Ilya Katargin, October 07, 97 AD, 23:44.
... Any current program is outdated.

MR> With pens? Why? We will make an automatic machine! :)

Hardly... To avoid the “squareness” of the coloring, you need to slightly
change the boundaries of the color fill. No AI will help here, only manually :(

Warm greetings, Slava!

AI> On the subject there was a tin can that looked like a scanned one, but I know for sure that
AI> was drawn by hand. How to tell the difference?

Check if the author is STS ;)

With God's blessing, Novikov Sergei AKA Spirit/STEP

ML> Nevermind. One of my acquaintances wrote a really cool program that does a lot of calculations, and after its work it’s almost impossible to determine whether it’s a high-quality picture or a HandWork one. So...

Mlyn, well, in controversial cases - 3 intermediate options.

Good Luck...

... Press Smash forehead on keyboard to continue.....

What does poverty have to do with it??? If we take the same example (3D-ACTION), then for
normal operation of the same toy on PC and AMIGA, an Amiga worker will pay a
larger amount than a pizishnik. Here. Prices should be counted by PRICES, and not by
cost.
MA> there is everyone...
MA> And to envy everything that is not on the PC. (and nowhere else)

ML> Nevermind. One of my friends wrote a really cool program that does a lot of calculations, and after it works, it’s almost impossible to tell whether a picture is a good
ML> or a HandWork one. So...

SN> Is it not possible to use the echo? - check it out.

tsssssssssss , TOP SECRET...

Friday October 10 1997 18:40, Max Romanoff wrote to Alex Kovrigin:

MR> no, seriously, non-manual work is immediately visible..

nothing!

MR> ... No matter how thin you slice it, it's still baloney.

cYa, aRTY/dR! · · ··· Email: Ar...@telecom.nov.ru · · ···

Гонишь! (или кинь в эху)

Hе могу удержаться, кидаю ещё одну картинку, конверчёную через zxc, но
долго дорабатываемую в ручную (угадайте, откуда :) Врядли "клёвой проге" такое
под силу :)
Картинка похожа на handwork, но имеет все признаки сканированой

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C горячим приветом, Слава!

Wild? Do they bite? ;) By the way, here’s a question: what if the picture is drawn by hand on paper, then scanned? Can this be distinguished? Or is this allowed?

With all kinds of regards and wishes.
Igor.

... The Phoenix bird was reborn from the ashes, but crowed.

IG> Wild? Do they bite? ;) By the way, the question is, what if the picture is drawn
IG> by hand on paper, then scraped off. Can this be distinguished? Or is something like this
IG> allowed?

I think if you draw a blank (contours) on paper, and then
finish it by hand, then everything is OK. the main thing is 3 intermediate options
for a controversial issue....

Although the rules say something like 'scanned and translated
from others...'

Good Luck...

... Intel inside... idiot outside

VM> I can’t resist, I’m throwing in another picture, converted through zxc,
VM> but it took a long time to finish manually (guess where from :) It’s unlikely that a “cool
VM> prog” can do this :)
VM> The picture is similar on handwork, but has all the signs of a scanned

Who is this, a crocodile or a hippopotamus ;)

__ With cre...@online.nsk.su
__/// Best 39:245/1.0@amiganet
\XX/ Regards 2:5000/28.19@fidonet

IG> Wild? Do they bite? ;) By the way, the question is, what if the picture is drawn
IG> by hand on paper, then scanned. Can this be distinguished?

Imho, it’s even easier.

AK> Who is this, a crocodile or a hippopotamus ;)

this is golbin :) (or maybe a self-portrait of the author?) :)

Good Luck...

... Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice' doggie!'...
till you can find a rock.

13 Oct 97 21:02, Alex Kovrigin reported Vyacheslav Mednonogov about {E97}:

AK> Who is this, a crocodile or a hippopotamus ;)

IMHO, a horned hippopotamus (it’s better to ask Blizzard :))

With warm regards, Glory!