Is-Dos

■ Roman Alexandrov wrote for Max Lanskih 28 Oct 97 at 10:57 :

RA> 3) The useful method: Take the Scorpio emulator (from MOA). With the help

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ML>> How and in what emulsion can you work in Sabzh??? I recently heard conversations on this topic in the
ML>> echo, but then I somehow didn’t need it.
ML>> Tell me if you’re not too lazy.

RA> 1) The method is the simplest and slowest: You take UKV and work with
RA> a real disk.
RA> Advantages: simple.
RA> Disadvantages: slow, you can’t format a new (bootable) disk, from (to)
RA> Typ-Dos (MS-Dos) can’t be rewritten (the ability to work with Tp-Dos images
RA> FDI has not been tested).

RA> 2) Advanced method (published by Igor Gruzdev): Take UKV,
RA> natural IS-DOS disk (as disk A, for example) and an empty FDI
RA> (as disk B, for example). Loading using create.com
RA> you create a non-bootable 640-kilobyte file on FDI diskIs-Dos,
RA> you copy onto it what you need from the real disk. After that,
RA> having configured the system as you need (drivers, tables, electronic
RA> disks, residents, etc.) you throw it into the Z80 (by the way, the system image files
RA> is-dos.sys and the image file of the electronic disk image.sys or image.img on
RA> FDI There is no need to copy - the disk is not bootable anyway and space
RA> will be freed up). Next, you write a batch file for this whole thing, so that when
RA> the UKV starts, it loads the Z80 and connects the FDI.
RA> Advantages: Works quickly
RA> Disadvantages: requires preliminary preparation, there is no possibility
RA> of working with MS-DOS and real Tp-DOS disks (possibility working with
Lies, both with MS-Dos and Tr-Dos you can work either directly or with images!!!
RA> Tr-Dos has not been tested with FDI images)

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Method 2 - PERVERT. It’s better this way:
You copy the is-dos disk into FDI format using 'makefdi.exe' (from UKV), and
you work with it as with a regular (not image) disk, and it loads and the speed
is high! Most likely, this method is more suitable for the Shalaevsky emulator!

2All By the way, you can try to create a disk with a volume, for example
'255sec*1024bytes*256tracks*2sides', but in this case the file volume cannot be
more than 5,548,800 bytes, since each file has a segmented file there
256 bytes of descriptor:
1stbytes number of segments
the remaining 255 are 85 3-byte records. The first 2 bytes are the number of the 0th block
(address on the device) of the segment, and the last byte is the size of the segment in blocks
(256 bytes - block).

Only with this volume the bit card will take up a lot!

RA> 5) A method worth trying: Take an emulator Shalaeva,
RA> you study its API, write your own ADD.
RA> Advantages and Disadvantages: they will appear.
In-In!
RA> P.S. There is no need to ask me for a Scorpio emulator.

Why, I haven’t even heard of it?

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30 Oct 97, 18:59, Vyacheslav Mednonogov wrote to Roman Alexandrov on the topic
"Is-Dos":

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RA>> 4) Theoretical method: Perform the sequence described in
RA>> point 2, convert FDI to TRD and run the entire structure from Z80 and TRD
RA>> under the Shalaev emulator (using Z80.add)

VM> It won’t work :( TRD can only describe standard tr-dos disks...

So, a non-bootable 640-kbyte ISO disk generated by create.com on
Typ-dose like has no non-standardity. However, instead of
theorizing, you just need to try.

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Pleasant connections.
Roman.

01 Nov 97, already 02:59

It’s quiet outside the window, and I’m sitting and writing a response to a letter written from Vitaly Samoylov to
Max Lanskih Wed Oct 29, 1997 at 6:36 pm...

VS> And the games are not so difficult to adapt to it, I transferred about 20 of them to
VS> is-dos. But it’s difficult to exit from them to is-dos. There is also a good
VS> assembler.
VS> P.S. I recently threw 'space viewer for is-dos' into the echo,
VS> did you reach the community or not?

Yes.

With all kinds of regards and wishes.
Igor.

... The thirst for activity is especially easy to bear.

VS>> Why, I haven’t even heard of it?

VM> Over the last year it has been mentioned three times :)

VM> As MOA (the author) himself says, this is a “semi-commercial development”.
VM> A very, very limited circle of people have it...

Yeah, well, VERY limited, how is this possible if Scorpio It's spreading, I've had it for half a year now, but....it's a godless ugliness. (sorry
if I offended the author)

Kuzma

Greetings, Igor!

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In ancient times (02 November 97), Ser Igor wrote on a scroll Vitaly Samoylov,
Bequeathing "Is-Dos", and today (03 November 97) I decided intervene:
──────────────────────────────────── ───────────────────────── ──────────────────

KP> Yeah, well, VERY limited, how is this possible if Scorpio is spreading it
KP>, I’ve had it for half a year already, but.... godless ugliness.
KP> (sorry if I offended the author)

Well, the ugliness is there, or beauty is bullshit. But I think it’s worth sharing with the people!! :-)

Sincerely, Nickolay.
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Igor Gruzdev Mon Nov 03 1997 at 01:54...

VS> There is also a good assembler there. P.S. I recently threw 'space viewer for is-dos'
VS> into the echo, did it reach the community or not?
IG>> Yes.
VS> 2All Well, how do you like it?

By the way, I was curious / I launched it here ;)/ what does it show
when the cursor is on a directory? It’s just different - when it flashes in one place, and
when in several.

Greetings, Igor!

────────────── ─────────────────────── ─────────────────────── ───────────────────
In ancient times (06 November 97), Ser Igor wrote on a scroll Vitaly Samoylov,
Bequeathing "Is-Dos", and today (11 November 97) I decided intervene:
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IG> By the way, I was curious / I launched it here at least ;) / what does it
IG> show when the cursor is on a directory? It’s just different - when
IG> blinks in one place, and when in several.

When on a directory, it shows the BODY of the directory, that is, file descriptors in
the directory (bent!), and when the directory is fragmented, it shows all
fragments of the directory body + 1 block (256 bytes) of the segment descriptor.

IG> Igor.

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Igor Gruzdev Wed Nov 05 1997 at 01:36...

IG>> Ah... I told the Zkhnet people, they should answer something (I hope), but right away
IG>> they said that they had already seen something like this somewhere. (judging by the discrepancy) :)
VS> Ha, yes, I already offered it to them (Slot),

Uh-uh, forgive the fool, but what does SLOT have to do with it? As far as I know, the merit (if
it can be called a merit) of the slot was only the release in the form of a printed book
collection of helps and a disc. Or is the view of the Moscow company from St. Petersburg
a little incorrect?

VS> I just don’t know if they used it on their disks or not! But I have already seen my
VS> loaders with games for isdos on their disks. Maybe someone
VS> has already seen 'POOL' as an example of adapting games to the isdos. If the creators of
VS> IS-DOS transferred the kernel to additional pages of RAM, then it would be possible to create an exit to isdos in 48 games
VS> (or systems).

What for? Am I talking about adapting games for IS-DOS? Is it loading for a minute (well, I'm driving, I'm driving, but it's not a boot), then load the game? Isn’t it easier to reset - tr-dos -
game?

VS> And finally, here in the echo is one of the IS-DOS developers is there?

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Hello, All!

For all those interested in IS-DOS, we inform you about SUBJ.

Lesnoy pr. 65 bldg. 11,

This is such a big house with the inscription “Notary office”, it is clearly visible from the metro
, our new premises are located there on the 1st floor.

Come, come, etc.

Our address for orders and letters:

190000, Russia, St. Petersburg,
Main Post Office, on demand,
Chapurina L.V.

Phone: ***-**-**, ext. 721 or ask the IS-DOS Department.

For all questions regarding IS-DOS (range of programs, conditions
distribution, acceptance for the implementation of your developments, etc.) you can
write to me at /299.11 Unfortunately, we do not provide IS-DOS via modem we transfer
(as well as we do not accept money by fax), although individual files, drivers, etc. are
quite real.

With best wishes,
Vadim

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Teleyon I skimmed for reasons of not knowing whether it still works...

IG> Uh-uh, forgive me for being stupid, but what does SLOT have to do with it? As far as I know, the merit
IG> (if it can be called a merit) of the slot was only the release in the form of a
IG> printed book of a collection of helps from the original disk.

Not only, the list of their “merits” includes the release of buggy, clumsy versions -
alterations (fakes) of Is-Dos with arbitrary numbering, which, by the way, directly violates the law, because the patent for the Is-Dos system was officially
registered by Iskrasoft (to be honest, I don’t understand why they weren’t sued for money for this)

IG> Or is the view of the Moscow company from St. Petersburg a little incorrect?

Faithful...

IG> - tr-dos - a game?

Judge for yourself, the tr-dos disk is 640kb, and IS-Dos 820, so I adapted it to save disks
.

What if in the future, for example, on Sprinter they will make _subj_ in ROM!
That's when All the advantages of this method will appear when you have all your favorite games on your hard drive
with Is-Dos!

VS> Judge for yourself, the disk is tr-dos 640kb, and IS-Dos 820, so I adapted the disks to save
VS>.

VS> What if in the future, for example, on Sprinter they will make _subj_ in ROM!

Why in the future? And why on Sprinter? The subject is simply flashed into the
Scorpio ROM disk.

VS> Then all the advantages of this method will appear, when on the
VS> hard drive with Is-Dos you will have all your favorite games!

Hmmm.... there is something in this.

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Have fun with your connections.
Roman.

15 Nov 97, already 22:17

IG> Forwarded by: Igor Gruzdev (2:5030/529.13)
IG> From the echo: ZX.SPECTRUM (About zx-spectrum on ex-USSR.)
IG> From: Vadim Yeliseyev, 2:5030/299.11 (Mon Feb 03 1997 21:52)
IG> To: All
IG> About: IS-DOS, new address
IG> ├────────────────────────────kusa t─here───────────────────────

IG> Hello, All!

IG> For all those interested in IS-DOS, we inform you about SUBJ.

IG> Lesnoy pr. 65 bldg. 11,

This information, alas, is already outdated. We are no longer there. Due to the financial
difficulties experienced by the company "Iskrasoft", or more precisely - "Association I" -
that part of "Iskrasoft" to which we recently belonged, our
premises were sold for debts, and we were never given a new one :-(
As a result, the equipment of the Department is partially gathering dust in the company's warehouse,
partly stands at my home, where I am trying to continue producing floppy disks and
selling them for everyone. Perhaps in the near future it will work out and
our programs can be purchased somewhere. The main obstacles are, as always,
lack of money and free time.

For now, for all questions regarding the acquisition, implementation,
development and writing of programs for IS-DOS, you can contact me personally
by phone 260-7043 (preferably in the evening before 01:00) or by email at 299.11

IG> Our address for orders and letters:

IG> 190000, Russia, St. Petersburg,
IG> Main Post Office, on demand,
IG> Chapurina L.V.

This address is still valid for out-of-town customers. Due to
limited financial capabilities, prepayment is advisable, which can be
agreed in advance by letter or by telephone.

With best regards,
Vadim

IG>> in the form of a typographical book of a collection of helps from the original disk.

RA> Not only, the list of their “merits” includes the release of buggy, clumsy
RA> versions - alterations (fakes) of Is-Dos with arbitrary numbering, which
RA> by the way directly violates legislation, because the patent for the system
RA> Is-Dos was officially registered by the company Iskrasoft (to be honest, I don’t
RA> understand why they weren’t awarded money for this)

Because they sold floppy disks under an agreement with us, paying us
50% of the profits. But we couldn’t persuade them to make standard numbering, and they also reserved the right to make their own changes to the layout of the disks. IMHO, it was not good. The consequences are still being felt.
And with the formatter, sold separately from the system, they did something clever then,
causing a bunch of attacks (by the way, they threw shit at us for this in the ZX-REVIEW).

With best wishes,
Vadim

VS>> What if in the future, for example, on Sprinter they will make _subj_ in ROM!

IG> On Scorpio, this has already been done, IMHO, a long time ago...

It is time, in my opinion, to clarify the situation.

1. The IS-DOS system hardwired into the ROM of Scorpio is an image from a heavily
castrated IS-DOS disk of one of the beta versions of the system, which subsequently
received the number 3.5. This version was then not yet completed and therefore
was not officially sold.
2. Flashing it into ROM was done without my knowledge, as well as without the knowledge
of other employees of the IS-DOS Department.
3. No royalties, royalties or other types of remuneration
for official use Neither the Iskrasoft company nor the IS-DOS department have ever received a registered software product.
4. In response to my reasonable question regarding clause 3, Mr. Zonov replied that he did not recognize the copyright of Iskrasoft and considered himself entitled to use the products of our company free of charge.
5. From that day on, clause 3 began to apply to all IS-DOS floppy disks, sold by the Scorpion company (although his guys still honestly paid off the old debts).
6. We did not “pump up the rights” and pit the management of Iskrasoft against the Scorpion company only because the blow that was then still strong
Iskrasoft could deliver"Scorpio" would indirectly hurt the interests of many ZX Spectrum users.
7. After some time, users began to come with complaints about the poor performance of the ROM version. All of them were sent to the manufacturers, in
in accordance with paragraphs 1 and 2.

That's all.
Draw your own conclusions.

PS: Please do not take this text as a reason for a flame or an attempt to find out
relationships with someone. Now this is no longer important to anyone. I just think
it is necessary to restore “historical justice”.

With best wishes,
Vadim

VY> It is time, in my opinion, to clarify the situation.

VY> 1. The IS-DOS system hardwired into the Scorpio ROM is an image from a heavily
VY> castrated IS-DOS disk of one of the beta versions of the system, which later
VY> received the number 3.5. This version was not yet fully completed and according to
VY> this was not officially sold.

The point was that each user can make an image of Is-Dos _for himself/herself_
and subsequently flash it into _his/her own_ ROM, IMHO this is not
a violation of intellectual property rights.

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Have a nice connection.
Roman.

20 Nov 97, already 00:47

VY> Because they sold floppy disks under an agreement with us, paying us
VY> 50% of the profits. But we couldn’t persuade them to make standard numbering, and they
VY> also reserved the right to make their own changes to the layout of the disks. IMHO, it was not good. The consequences
VY> are still being felt. Yes, and with the formatter, sold separately from the system, they
VY> then did something clever, causing a bunch of attacks (by the way, they threw shit at us for this in
VY> ZX-REVIEW).

So I was actually interested in the grounds on which they make clumsy
changes to the product, and then the bumps fall on others, and The popularity of the system
is falling (I know that they are trading under a contract). And the story with a separate formatter
is truly disgusting and does not fit into any framework....

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Happy connections.
Roman.

20 Nov 97, already 00:06