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hello, Denis Khlebnikov! I remember that on 23 Aug 97 you took it and launched
in All with this:
DK> People suggest exchanging information on the subject.
DK> PS: An excellent thing, thanks to it (in my opinion) Specky rose to the level
DK> higher
DK>.
The subject has long been recognized by the majority of users as unpromising - there is little
memory. Alas...
bye, with all my best wishes, Pavel Fedin.
hello, Alex Letaev! I remember that on 12 Sep 97 you took it and launched it at me with this:
PF>> The subject has long been recognized by the majority of users as unpromising -
PF>> not enough
PF>> memory. Alas...
AL> But no! It’s a cool system, and the possibilities are endless.
In principle, I don’t argue, and I even feel sorry for it because of just one mistake.
The system does not support working with additional memory, and programs
can only reside in it. But at the same time they spoil the ramdisk, without which it is very difficult to work. And it’s less convenient to work in page memory than in lower memory. In addition, there is no way, say, to load
directly into the page - the system itself is in this ill-fated window. So, alas, this is a very big mistake that kills her to death. And it is impossible to fix it - the system will not be compatible with older versions at all. In addition, to organize the allocation of page memory, all addresses in the system related to the allocation of a memory area (for example, channel addresses) must become 24-bit. In my system, I overcame this, and in the newly created resource allocation library EXEC.LIB, the upper
memory addressing will be 32-bit - for the future.
PF> The subject has long been recognized by most users as unpromising - there is not enough
PF> memory. Alas...
It's a damn shame to swap, it's a damn shame to use additional memory$%^$%#$% damn it!
Even damn Liux and OS/2 are swapped!
Regards, Daniluk Eugene
PF> In principle, I don’t argue, and I even feel sorry for her because of just one mistake.
PF> The system does not support working with additional memory, and programs
PF> can only reside in it. But at the same time they spoil the ramdisk, without which
PF> it is very poor to work. And it’s less
PF> convenient to work in page memory than in lower memory. In addition, there is no way to, say, load
PF> directly into the page - the system itself is in this ill-fated window. So
PF> that, alas, this is a very big mistake that kills her to death. And
PF> it cannot be corrected - the system will not be compatible with
PF> old versions at all. In addition, to organize the allocation of page memory, all addresses in the
PF> system related to the allocation of a memory area (for example, addresses of
PF> channels)
PF> must become 24-bit. In my system, I overcame this, and in
PF> the resource allocation library being created EXEC.LIB, the addressing
PF> of the top
PF> memory will be 32-bit - for the future.
Well, as for memory, everything is a little better: on a Pro with 1 MB, you drive the disk into the frame,
and you work in a text editor, faster than on PC in the lexicon, and
if also turbo! It also works quickly with the printer, and Picasso is generally a mess.
Regards, Alex from FFC COMPUTERS.
Hi Andrew!
Fri 12 Sep 1997 09:52, Andrew Garavsky wrote to Denis Khlebnikov:
AG> By the way, it’s interesting, did they run it under any emulsion?
Under UKV 1.2 the subject is loaded from the native dsk.
Best regards, Alexey Ivanov
By the way. Just recently I found a wonderful opportunity to work with IS-DOS on an IBM computer.
So, the procedure:
1) Take the IS-DOS boot floppy disk.
2) Launch UKV, which can work with disk images (.fdi)
3) Load IS-DOS.
4) Launch create.com (in IS-DOS, of course) and using it
we create an IS-DOS disk on a tr-Dos disk image. Naturally, you will get
is-dos without
autoloading.
5) We copy everything you need from the floppy disk onto it.
6) In the emulator we throw everything that is in memory into .z80 and telemarket!
To work with is-dos, you need the following - start the VHF, load into it
.z80 with is-dosom and work on a virtual disk. Rulez is amazing. Isdos probably works the same way on a scorpion with a screw. :)
So far I have not found any glitches that could arise from this. But, just in case, the method is as is. :)
With all kinds of regards and wishes.
Igor.
... It has never happened that everything has happened.
DE> Damn it's a must to swap, use extra memory for a long time $%^$%#$% damn it !
DE> Even damn Liux and OS/2 swap !
Thank you!!! Or maybe we won’t deceive Vindows for Speccy in all its clumsy
glory!!! There is no need for a swap unless necessary, the Speckie has additional
memory, and it is used normally by the ramdisk, compared to ViHdOuZ!
For Picasso, swap has existed for a long time.
Only this is a little slow. And what exactly is this approach? Why
is it impossible to pose the question differently: “WHY IS IT NECESSARY TO SWAP?
WHY IS THIS EVEN NECESSARY?” For some reason, lately everyone who is not too lazy from Speccy is trying to make a Speccy with his 95th crap. :-(
hello, Alex Letaev! I remember that on 14 Sep 97 you just threw this at me:
AL> Well, as far as memory is concerned, everything is a little better: on a Pro with 1 meg, you drive the disk
AL> into the frame, and you work in a text editor, faster than on PC in the lexicon,
AL> and
AL> if it’s still turbo! It also works quickly with the printer, and Picaso is generally
AL> a mess.
But it takes a little time to load such a ramdisk.
IG> Кстати. Совсем недавно нашел чудную возможность pаботать с ис-досом на
IG> ибмке. Итак, пpоцедуpа действия:
IG> 1) Беpем загpузочную дискетку ис-досовскую.
IG> 2) Запускаем UKV, что может pаботать с обpазами диска (.fdi)
IG> 3) Гpузим ис-дос.
IG> 4) Запускаем create.com (pазумеется в ис-досе) и создаем с его помощью
IG> ис-досовский диск на тp-досном обpазе диска. Естественно, что
IG> получится ис-дос без автозагpузки.
IG> 5) Копиpуем все, что надо с дискеты на него.
IG> 6) В эмулятоpе скидываем все что есть в памяти в .z80 и телемаpкет!
IG> Для pаботы с ис-досом тpебуется следующее - запустить укв, загpузить в
IG> него .z80 с ис-досом и pаботать на виpтуальном диске. Рулез
IG> потpясающий. Hавеpно так же pаботает исдос на скоpпе с винтом. :) Пока
IG> глюков не нашел, котоpые могут возникнуть пpи этом. Hо, на всякий
IG> случай, метод - as is. :)
8))) У меня всё проще -- запускаем makefdi.exe -c -d isdos.fdi и телемаркет! :)
С ключиком -d (detailed analyses) диск успешно создаётся, без -d -- нет.
А если уж очень хочется копировать с живых дисков -- не мучайся с тр-досными,
на тебе чистый ис-досный FDI:
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IG> him .z80 with is-dos and work on a virtual disk. The rulez is amazing.
IG> Isdos probably works the same way on a scorpion with a screw. :) So far I have not found any glitches
IG> that may arise in this case. But, just in case, the method is as is. :)
Damn it, it’s not possible to run MAKEFDI in order to even create a virtual
boot disk from a screw??? and .z80 is not needed!!! Makefdi says that the disc is non-standard and a telemarket!!! I read everything on the eBay flop!
you launch UKV and the first disk is Idos Wirth. disk (1024bytes per
sector+iS DOS boot) and in general a fairy tale!
Regards, Daniluk Eugene
DE>> ! Even damn it, Liux and OS/2 swap!
AL> Thank you!!! Or maybe we won’t breed WindowZ for Speccy in all its
AL> clumsy glory!!! There is no need to swap unnecessarily, the Speckie has
AL> additional memory, and it is used normally by the ramdisk, compared to
AL> compared to ViHndOuZ! For Picasso, the swap has existed for a long time.
Damn it, it’s not _WINDOWS_ This is!!! Even AMIGA uses virtual memory!!!
And you need to swap, let’s say, so that the shell with the settings can be unloaded from memory or what! And the extension for the ramdisk is cool F:(damn and then they yell - there’s not enough memory for the program, memory :(
Regards, Daniluk Eugene
DE>> ! Even damn Linux and OS/2 swap!
Not 95 is shit but ^^^^^ ^^^^
PF> Only it’s a little slow. And what exactly is this approach?
PF> Why
PF> it is impossible to pose the question differently: “WHY IS IT NECESSARY TO SWAP?
PF> WHY IS THIS EVEN NECESSARY?” For some reason, lately everyone from Speccy who is not too lazy is trying to make a Speccy with his 95th crap. :-(
And what is an alternative to a _normal_ operating system that after using
the application will not need to be restarted??? you say iS DOS has little memory???
Do you use a RAM disk? But on 48K in iS DOS even all sorts of picassas and edits are swapped...
they are overlays they are loading, the temp file is being made... that is, for the operating system
the application programmer has done the job... and the memory is really a mess... modern data and formats of this data (the data that has to be
processed today) eat up a lot of space... that's why the brakes...
you want Truetype or HTML on a Spectrum with a floppy drive? Well, wait until 8-bit percent
without frills with page organization of memory will try to do all this for you
... after all, each task has its own needs... if you want more, either take
more or expand the existing one... someone suggested taking a 32-bit one processor
binary compatible with the Z80... ideally you can have 2 processorsoption
to include a real Z80 for compatibility... but in general let
system engineers and just smart people write what they think about the capabilities of the Z80 and the
SPECCY platform and operating systems on it!!!
Regards, Daniluk Eugene
AL>> Well, as far as memory is concerned, everything is a little better: on Pro with 1 meg you drive the disk
AL>> into the frame, and you work in a text editor, faster than on PC in
hello, Daniluk Eugene! I remember that on 17 Sep 97 you took it and launched
at me with this:
DE> And what is the alternative for a _normal_ operating system that after
DE> use
DE> the application will not need to be restarted???
Alas, none yet. :-(
DE> iS DOS memory you say
DE> is not enough???
DE> Do you use a RAM disk? On 48K in iS DOS even all sorts of picassas and edits
DE> are swapped... they load overlays, make a temp file... that is, for
DE> operating system
DE> program applications did the job...
But it sucks to do something for an operating system...
DE> and the memory is really on
DE> speckies
DE> a mess... modern data and formats of this data (the data of which
DE> have to be processed today) eat up a lot of space...
DE> that’s why brakes...
Naturally, slowly, but still you can make life somewhat easier by using
32-bit addresses (as I did in the beginning of EXEC.LIB for my OS).
DE> Ideally, you can even build a 2-processor
DE> version to include a real Z80 for compatibility...
That's right on the Amiga, this solution works very well. recommended.
DE> in general, let system engineers and just smart people write what they think about
DE> the capabilities of the Z80 and
DE> the SPECCY platform and the operating systems on it!!!
But, alas, it’s not hereIt seems like specialists, and in general, except for a few
people, no one is interested in this topic, and 90% have only seen a crooked
emulator. :-(((
hello, Alex Letaev! I remember that on 21 Sep 97 you just launched this at me:
AL> Don’t you have the “Classic” version?
No. Why do I need it? The file from MS-DOS is perfectly copied by my old one...
PF> No. Why do I need it? The file from MS-DOS is perfectly copied by my
PF> old one...
For pros, “classic” is best.
Hello Pavel Fedin! In a message of 24 Sep 97 Pavel Fedin wrote to me:
AL>> For professionals, “classic” is best.
PF> And what?
Everyone, but with the checksum a little hassle was added.
hello, Alex Letaev! I remember that on 26 Sep 97 you just launched this at me:
AL> Hello Pavel Fedin! In a message of 24 Sep 97 Pavel Fedin wrote to me:
PF> Namely?
Keeped a checksum count for all files. Files from older versions need to
be processed with a special program, and that’s it.
Hello Pavel Fedin! In a message of 28 Sep 97 Pavel Fedin wrote to me:
AL>> We calculated the checksum for all files. Files from old versions
AL>> need to be processed with a special program, and that’s it.
PF> God, these are some brakes... Why is it needed at all? It is already
PF> there is
PF> for each sector.
This should not be done always, but once. In general, virus protection is good
for the prospect of working with is-dos on a screw.
Hello, dear Pavel!
Once Sat 27 Sep 97 11:32 Fedin Pavel wrote:
PF> The fact is that in Moscow they really don’t like IS-DOS, and now
PF> in general only Alex Letaev trades on the
PF> market. He has IS-DOS, maybe he can help. A
PF>access to
In Moscow, it’s not that they don’t like IS-DOS, they just don’t know it well.
Most often you can hear words like “great text
editor”, or “very beautiful shell” and people don’t realize that
the number of programs for it amounts to hundreds of :) disks.
I, for example, never miss the opportunity to sing
praise ode to Isdos, Scorpio, etc. progressive phenomena in
spectrumism (on sysopniks, obviously ;*))), therefore statements
like “isdos-Mazday” are strongly refuted there by quotes from
“Programmer’s Guide...”, etc. sources.
PF>ZX-NET would not give you anything except swearing.
Oh, well? There was a lot of sympathy, but no swearing at all! ;)
By the way, about hard drives: when I once mentioned them, one
character simply stunned me with the question “What kind of batteries are needed for them?” -=:-( )
At the next sysop session I brought my smuc with a screw, explained
what it is, how to use the clock, where to plug in the modem and where everything
is connected, and people liked it. :-)
Already therethose who want to install port #1FFD and a system
connector, so the screwing process has begun. Questions like "w
why?" are absurd, because a megabyte of capacity on a screw costs much less than on floppy disks. ;)
The Pentagon 512 is completely redone simply, change
a selection of the top pages and literally a few jumpers and
cut roads, so that the soldering iron would be intact, and the rest
will follow. :)))))))
By the way, an interesting detail: about 95% of all software with a screw work
WITHOUT any adaptation! :-)
With best wishes, Walerij.
--- ZED for ZX'48
* Origin: ─═>Scorpion On Line<=-=> RuleZZ 4ever!!!
Hello Pavel Fedin! In a message of 01 Oct 97 Pavel Fedin wrote to me:
PF> Yes... ADInf is also based on this. But unfortunately there is no prospect
PF> for ID-DOS. :-(((
I think that when working with a screw, IS-DOS has a huge perspective.
hello, Alex Letaev! I remember, 03 Oct 97 you took it and launched
at me with this:
AL> In my opinion, just when working with a screw, IS-DOS has a huge perspective.
Perhaps. But I haven’t seen it work with a screw except on
Scorpio. Although, who’s stopping me from depicting a driver for a Pro? At the same time there will be
training...
PF> Possibly. But I haven’t seen it work with a screw except on
PF> on
PF> Scorpio. Although, who’s stopping me from depicting a driver for a Pro? At the same time
PF> there will be training...
Come on, a practical thing never fails.
Hello Roman Alexandrov! In a message of 03 Oct 97 Roman Alexandrov wrote to me:
AL>> This should not always be done, but once. In general, protection against viruses
AL>> is good
AL>> for the prospect of working with is-dos on a screw.
RA> It’s hard to even call it protection, teaching vir to recalculate this amount
RA> after infection is a piece of cake, in any case, my is-dos vir
RA> did it without problems...
This is of course understandable, but After all, the checksum is a protection.