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SN>> But why release 10 versions with the same inscription at the bottom
SN>> of the screen, while receiving N conventional units of fame, when you can
SN>> immediately release a beautifully designed version, with an intro and your own
SN>> cool picture, say? At the same time, there will be even
SN>> more incentives for the group: of course, because here it will finally look not like a couple of
SN>> lamers, but like something decent.
EM> That is. restoring a game is not proof of “decency,” but
EM> a bright, catchy intro is proof?

But if so, then Softstar is not just decent, but cool ;)

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Without an intro, no one will understand that the game has been restored. Moreover, I'm not just talking about restoring. In general, a restaurant release will look, at best,
the same as a non-broken, normal version - nothing special.

SN>> Thus, a normal group will try to extract the maximum from
SN>> their work.
EM> But this is not necessary...

I don’t agree?

EM> Nobody talked about “lack of benefit”. But, it is important not to cross
EM> the line beyond which a benefit for some becomes an inconvenience for
EM> others...

Any benefit is an inconvenience for someone. The same trainer for some
radical-minded individuals.

SN>> If not money, then fame. And how well anyone
SN>> succeeds is another question. Groups that fail to realize this will
SN>> remain lame in the concept of society, creating versions with inscriptions
SN>> like “Restored for 128K mode by...” at the bottom of the screen.

EM> That is. a group that restored a toy on the board and made such an inscription on it
EM> is lame, and, for example, didn’t change a thing, but
EM> made an awesome intro - a workshop? but the incentive is fame.
I already said,that a simple inscription is a more noticeable and less effective way of gaining fame than an intro. Those. it is similar to some kind of Downs noticeable intro.

Of course, one inscription is not enough to move forward from the ranks of lamers. This is where the fact that the game has been restored comes to the rescue. How much this fact will increase the reputation of the group in the eyes of the individual depends on the value system of each individual individually. This will make a big impression on some, since they decided that a huge amount of restoration work had been done. Others don't care about this, because
they look first of all at the quality of the game, and not at whether it has
glitches on the 143 screen. Those. a band that has restored, say, Tobor is not valued at all, while a band that has restored Dizzy 5 is a cool band.

Ie. The very fact of the restaurant also affects the increase in the indicator of such a factor as fame, but it does it much worse than a cool intro.
Ie. a group that released a program with a very cool intro automatically ceases
to be lame in our minds, while the one that restored a couple of well
restored games without intros is not enough to achieve this level of fame.

EM> Well... And I thought that I knew how to properly design owl
EM> software products.

Sovi Design the products as you want. Anyway, now you've switched to PC and it's unlikelyAre you going to release another game.

EM>>>>>>> But I haven’t played it at all. I both downloaded it and immediately erased it. :))
SN>>>>>> You have the ability to lie... Or is this a joke? Hmmm...
EM>>>>> This is neither a lie nor a joke? Where did you get the idea?
SN>>>> Yeah. You erased the Space Gun. Maybe someone will believe you, but not me
SN>>>> for sure.
EM>>> ?????? Have I ever told you that I liked her?
SN>> Don’t move the conversation to another topic. What does “like” have to do with it? You didn't
SN>> erase it, and that's clear.
EM> And what makes you think that I didn't erase it?

;) Think for yourself. A _normal_ person does not delete such games on purpose. In the worst case, it is kept somewhere in an archive. If instead of this game there was some kind of Pacman, I would still believe it. Moreover, your phrases are too indecisive (“What makes you think that I didn’t erase it?” - what is this? If you hadn’t erased it,
you would have said more firmly: “Listen, I erased this game right away, and anyone
can confirm this, so it’s better to keep quiet.”) You need to understand a little about the psychology of people.

EM> P.S. In general, let's stop this conversation. We, in principle
EM> think
EM> about this in the same way, the difference is in the details. Do you think that intro
EM> should becolorful and elegant, I - that it should not be “imposed” and
EM> stand out sharply against the background of the game.

The intro should be pleasant. Not necessarily over-wrought and
over-sophisticated. But it doesn’t necessarily fit into the game. In each specific case, you can act differently, and in general terms this cannot be explained. If you want, bring some game. I'll tell you which intro is better for her, and which
is better not to do in my opinion.

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SN>>> But why release 10 versions with the same inscription at the bottom
SN>>> of the screen, receiving N conventional units of fame, when you can
SN>>> immediately release a beautifully designed version, with an intro and its own
SN>>> cool picture, say? At the same time, there will be even
SN>>> more incentives for the group: of course, because here it will finally look not like a couple of
SN>>> lamers, but like something decent.
EM>> That is. restoring a game is not proof of “decency”, but
EM>> a bright, catchy intro is proof?

SN> What? Some versions were really very nice - Dizzy 7,
SN> Dizzy X-2... Although such things as the game being glitchy or not packaged,
SN> of course affect the authority. But the influence of the intr cannot be denied.

Some versions from Softball were made by Titus, and some by us (FFC), there were no
glitches and lack of packaging.

With respect, Alex from FFC COMPUTERS.

I haven’t seen Dizzy7, but as for DizzyX-2, I’ll say frankly - it’s disgusting.
No, of course the new sprites there deserve all sorts of praise, but
they are out of place there. A simple example, in the original version the most natural soviet old woman was drawn, now she is some kind of witch from the Middle Ages (it wouldn’t even occur to her that her main occupation is collecting bottles, she should fly in a mortar with a broom). Again, the original depicted a typical Soviet cop, now some kind of Don Cossack. Nonsense.

SN> Although such things as the game being buggy or not being packaged

SN> You yourself say that the restoring group makes the appropriate inscription,
SN> i.e. she still strives to receive, if not a material, but an incentive - fame.
SN> I have already said that a simple inscription is a more noticeable and less
SN> effective way of gaining fame than an intro. Those. it is similar
SN> to some Down-like noticeable intro.
Well, you and I have a different view of software products...

SN> Of course, one inscription is not enough to stand out from the ranks of lamers.
:))))) Ehhhh... “From the ranks of lamers”... Accordingly, “from those who don’t
do bright and catchy intros" ?
SN> Here and
SN> the fact that the game has been restored comes to the rescue. How much this fact will increase
SN> the reputation of the group in the eyes of the individual depends on the value system of each
SN> individual individually.
Wow. Lamer will first of all evaluate the catchiness of the intro and its effects,
and then, perhaps, he will look at what has been added to the game itself.
SN> Some will be greatly impressed, because
SN> they decided that a huge amount of restoration work had been done. Others
SN> don't care about this, since they look first of all at the quality of the game, and not
SN> at whether glitches appear in it on screen 143.
Dualism? how do youyou combine the concepts of “quality” and “glitches on 143...”
SN> That is. the group that restored,
SN>, say, Tobor is not valued at all, while the restored Dizzy 5 -
SN> is a cool group.
And only in the eyes of lamers who judge the skill of programming
exclusively by video effects in the intro...

SN> That is. The very fact of the restaurant also influences the increase in the indicator of such a factor as fame, but it does it much worse than a cool
SN> intro.
Well, naturally... people take programs because of the intro, and not because of them
themselves...
SN> That is. a group that released a program with a very cool intro
SN> automatically ceases to be lame in our minds,
Ah moment. In whose “ours”? THD made a good intro to their version of the Elite (at least compared to the Kladovskaya version), and what, they are now not
lamers, but Kladovsky Lamers? What about IBM's Russified Space Quests? And the Russian-
sified Kyrandia, Goblins? They don’t have a bright, catchy intro. But
all programs are plowed up and down...
SN> while
SN> the one that restored, a couple of well-restored games without intros are not enough to
SN> achieve this level of fame.
It depends on who. For lamers - yes, because they are (see above).

AK> I haven't seen Dizzy7, but as for DizzyX-2 I'll say frankly - it's disgusting.
AK> No, of course the new sprites there deserve all sorts of praise, but
AK> they are out of place there. A simple example, in the original version the most natural Soviet old woman was drawn, but now she is some kind of witch from the Middle Ages (it wouldn’t even occur to her that her main occupation is collecting bottles, she should be able to fly in a mortar with a broom). Again
AK> in the original a typical Soviet cop was drawn, now some kind of
AK> Don Cossack. Nonsense.

It is better to have inconsistency than complete ugliness. IMHO.

AK> in the original the typical Soviet cop was drawn, now some kind of Cossack
AK> Don. Brad.

Oh! Am I redrawn there? Or was it already plausible? ;)

p.s. see kludges ;)

Good Luck...

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EM> Ah moment. In whose “ours”?

Well, how can I say... Guess for yourself. In general, or something.

EM> THD made a good intro for their version of the Elite

Did they have an intro there? I don't remember. Or do you think a menu with a choice of help or
start of the game is a good intro?

EM> (at least compared to the storeroom), and what, they
EM> are now not lamer, but treasure lamer?

1) THD did not make any cool intro to their elite. If they had done something like Titus's intro to Navy Seals, no one, not even you, would have called them lamer.

2) THD got a bad reputation not only because of the Elite-3 bug. At that time
half of the releases were buggy (²SNG ;): Found Genghis, it seems not broken, but
snapshot. The map is normal, at the bottom of the screen there is a normal “control panel”. Better
than The Wild Bunch ;)

3) In the case of THD, there were more factors lowering authority than raising it.

EM> And IBM's Russified Space Quests? A
EM> russified Kyrandia, Goblins? They don’t have a bright
EM> catchy intro. But all the programs have been plowed up and down...

Don't get PC involved here. It's a completely different matter there. I've only seen one normal intro - for Dizzy 4 by Faith (I won't throw dizy at anyone!;)

AK> in the original a typical Soviet cop was drawn, now some kind of
AK> Don Cossack. Brad.

I checked with a specialist which version was flying by echo - the first one I had was
different, and the second is the same, I erased it at one time, but now I decided to check
what if it was at the end and had not been damaged, I restored it and was convinced
that it was the Softstar one... And I wanted to see the original - does anyone have it?
Put it here, or something...

C u l8r,
Dmitry aka ZDW.

hey - the game rules, don't push me :)))))) heh heh - maybe I should send you a TZX with it,
so that you can understand? :))

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AK> Somehow I don’t see anything. RusTrancoder probably worked (not for me).

Oh, damn, I’m just normal :))) That is. Is there a room there with me? Am I redrawn there?! ;)

Good Luck...

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07 Nov 97 11:01, Sergei Novikov reported to Evgeny Milun about {Intrе}:

SN> Without an intro, no one will understand that the game has been restored.

Do such a number of games really require restore? Well, one was lying in pieces on
the Internet, well, the second came over networks with broken levels, well, the third had a glitch,
but not 99 out of a hundred ;))

With warm greetings, Slava!

Wednesday November 12 1997 13:02, Sergei Novikov ─── Evgeny Milun:

EM>>>> As far as I understand, you and I are actually talking about the same thing.
EM>>>> Only I have the concept of “beautiful, pleasant, appropriate...” more I add "with
EM>>>> the ability to skip, organically fits into the game." [.....]

SN>>> Any intro can be skipped after a certain time. When you load Windows
SN>>> every day, you wait a minute min. And then 5 seconds. it's a pity.
EM>> Don't confuse sour with fresh. There - system loading, and here - intra.

SN> So what? I'm talking about the fact that if you find a minute, you'll find 5 seconds. Or are you
SN> hinting that loading Windows is more interesting/pleasant? ;) That's it.
I am hinting that in the first case it is a severe necessity, and in the second case it is the “whim” of the author. ;)
SN> Or you can wait a minute - you’ll wait n times for 5 seconds - you won’t fall apart.
And who said that I’ll fall apart? ;)) It's just unpleasant...

[.....]
SN>>>>> Insanity from EM #2: When a group is looking for new software on the Internet,
SN>>>>> this is called market saturation
EM>>>> Insanity from SN: When a company brings margarine from America, it is from purely
EM>>>> deals with altruistic considerations"respect for customers."
SN>>> Can you tell me where I said? No? In that case, you are senile² ;)
EM>> A little higher. You refuted my assertion that new things are not thrown out of
EM>> for altruistic reasons.

SN> As you might have noticed, it is not logical
SN> to compare a company that _sells_ margarine with a group that _gives out_ its releases for free.
So what? Letting not margarine, but shampoo. They are definitely giving them away for free. As an advertisement.

SN> People buy programs not because of the intro, and not because of whether they are restored
SN> or not. When buying programs, they automatically assume that the game is in working, normal condition. And they don’t even think about the intro.
So I’m talking about the same thing...
SN> However, when watching the game
SN> the above-mentioned factors affect the authority of the group.
Rather, the name of the group is simply remembered, and “authority” implies
something more.
SN> Just
SN> as well as the coolness of the game: the authority that the group receives from some
SN> Saigon Combat is not comparable to the authority acquired by the release of
SN> Myth, for example.
I strongly disagree! If, for example, group “A” restored the program “P1”, and group “B” - “P2”, then by your definition everything will
depend on how much better “P1” is designed than “P2”. And not because of how difficult it was to make changes to “P1” and “P2”. But it is quite
possible that the work done by group “B” is much more and of better quality than by group “A”.
[.....]

VM> Do so many games really require restore? Well, one was in pieces on
VM> the Internet, well, the second came over networks with broken levels, well, in the third there was a
VM> glitch, but not 99 out of a hundred ;))

101 out of 100 =) But seriously, almost every game needs improvement -
from tr-dos and multicalor to levels...

This is not a strategy for you to do =)))

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12 Nov 97 13:09, Sergei Novikov reported to Evgeny Milun about {Intrе}:

SN> 2) THD got a bad reputation not only thanks to Elite-3 with a bug.

... especially thanks to its games. For example, "Colored squares" :))

Warm greetings, Slava!

Yeah. I don’t know why this suddenly happened, but the conversation from the advisability of intramural games generally switched to restaurant games =)

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Be blessed, Vyacheslav! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

SN>> some Saigon Combat is not comparable to the authority acquired
SN>> with the release of Myth, for example.
EM> I strongly disagree! If, for example, group “A” restored
EM> the program “P1”, and group “B” - “P2”, then by your definition everything will
EM> depend on how much better “P1” is designed than “P2”. And it’s not at all because of how difficult it was to make changes to “P1” and “P2”. But it is quite
EM> possible that the work done by group “B” is much more and
EM> better than by group “A”. [.....]

I don’t care. When you watch a game, do you care if the group fixed 50 glitches
or 5? You look at whether it's buggy or not. In the same way, a group that recovered 100
glitches and a group that found a proprietary version on the Internet and did not recover anything will look the same in the eyes of users. Well, it was restored, yes. But why? If
it was possible to just find a normal version.

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AH> improvements - starting from tr-dos and multicolors ending with levels...

yeah, adjust the multicolor to the pentagon, and give the pent for
the most compatible computer :)))))

AH> This is not a strategy for you to do =)))

Hmm... Seriously, picking toys is pure laziness... The product must be original.

Good Luck...

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AK> Plumber or what? ;)

is this room named after ME? No. I'm there on my own. I eat chips
;)

Good Luck...

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DZ> I checked with a specialist which version was flying through the echo - the first one
DZ> was different, and the second is the same, I erased it at one time, but now I decided
DZ> to check, what if something happened, because it was at the end and was not spoiled,
DZ> restored and made sure that it was Softstar... And I wanted
DZ> to see the original - does anyone have it? Throw it here, or something...

I have it, I can throw it in if the others don’t mind.

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AK> Not chips, but pedigripal ;)

No, no! These are the machinations of evil graphics fixers ;)))

p.s. No, well, did I remain untouched?! ;)

Good Luck...

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