Intrы

AL>> And the one who removes his hands, for example, for no reason, what to call him. Cancerous tumor
AL>> is not suitable for an intro, since the intro carries useful information about
AL>> restoring or distributing the game, and plans for the future,

RA> 1) this does not require so much code that takes up extra space and time.

A good intro is valuable not so much with information as with the quality of execution. It's nice to look at (for many :), it's nice to listen to =) Well, and any
self-respecting intro maker is trying to reduce its size.

RA> 2) the need to see this every time you launch annoys even
RA> those who are interested in this information.

You might think that you launch the same game 20 times a day. And if
you don’t run them every day, then the intros don’t get boring and don’t irritate me (personally).

I agree, sometimes you have to restart the game several times in a row (very
rarely). But the discomfort that you experience cannot be compared with the inconveniences that most games cause (impossibility to exit, inconvenient controls, annoying sounds or even complete silence during the game - all this is no less unnerving for the same user who,in your
words, with hope he goes through the painfully familiar keys in search of any key :) to
exit the intro.

In general, if you adhere to your opinion, then you don’t need a beautiful output
picture, because it just takes extra time!

AL>> even in the end.

RA> A small menu is enough for this.

Fi! Personally, I don’t like this idea.

RA> Actually, that’s why I compared intravenous tissues with a tumor, because it
RA> is quite
RA> a normal and useful thing, but it is ugly hypertrophied and overgrown,
RA> so the analogy is obvious. By the way, I have never deleted chats, so
RA> you can’t call me a maniac surgeon cutting off hands ;)

You are removing from the version of its authors - people who often spent a single
sleepless night on it, restoring or immortalizing it. What moral right do you have to
this? After all, this is the same as removing its authors from the game.

RA> However, I can quite understand coders who want to make themselves known publicly
RA> through the intro
RA>, but it’s also worth treating the feelings of users
RA> more carefully in order to avoid the opposite effect, so that instead of
RA> saying: “This coder ..... he restored so many games" they didn’t say:
RA> "Oh, how many tediously slow intrusions this coder stuck in....".

Who cares. But the intros, I agree,Indeed, they should not be tedious and tasteless, and the intro maker himself is worried about this. There are very few bad intros, because the intro maker primarily cares about his prestige.

RA> Why, for example, not insert the intro as a separate line in the menu with
RA> chats and others..

What kind of intro will it be? It's a shame for 1997.

RA> or, for example, not link the intro to the floppy disk so that the intro
RA> is forced to be shown only once when starting the program on a new
RA> floppy disk (while maintaining the ability to launch it from the menu)?

Remember, say, the intro to Twin World (by Unit 5). I personally really like it.
I, as I already said, _very_ often launch the wasik file with the game in order to
look at the intro. And if I’m forced, in order to just “relax
to music and excellent visual effects,” click something in the menu or change
floppy disks in the drive - what kind of rest will this provide?

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IG>>> Then why the intro for the game? Why not make an intro to an intro?
IG>>> It’s much calmer for both gamers and intro lovers.

SN>> :) It’s possible to do it, that’s just the point?

RA> So, explain to me then what’s the point in the intro (except for infinity, but for
RA> that’s enough of a tiny menu)?

To bring pleasure to some users. After all, some people like intros,
others don’t. And it is still unknown who is more.

SN>> It will be more like a demo.

RA> Well, they should write demos, since you want to show off your coolness, and not
RA> they would mock the users.

If they make intros, then someone needs it... (c) :) What makes you think that
most users hate intros just like you?

RA> Adding the inside to the game reminds me of the notorious “grocery
RA> orders” from the times of developed socialism - if you want one hundred grams of red caviar,
RA> take half a kilo of margarine for the load....

Or if you don’t want it, don’t take it. The authors of versions with intros usually do not receive a penny for them - they have the right to release the version they want. If you don’t like
this version, get another one... If you find it... But please respect their authors.

RA> You can watch the demo once, erase it (inadd a collection) and
RA> forget, and the Intra will intrusively pop up every time you want to launch the toy
RA>,

But demos usually cannot be “scrolled” forward. With intras it’s the opposite. Usually, you can get out of them in 10
seconds. Not to mention the fact that these 10 seconds are not spent looking at the wretched menu of some game written in a font, but with beautiful
effects and music.

RA> which, by the way, in no way contributes to strengthening the good
RA> feelings of the average user towards the group or the coder of this int. who wrote it.

Again, don’t speak for all users. And 5-10% doesn’t make a difference.

-S: ²Arty: You can include in the survey the question “do you like intros?”

RA> Have you ever seen a user launch a game with an intro? At that moment, as
RA> the inscription
RA> “Cracked (Disked...) by hacker ........" appears on the screen slowly creeping out on the gamer’s face with an unarmed
RA> eye, all the wishes to this “haker ......".

So this inscription is not an intro. Usually this was practiced in ancient versions that did not have int. And the intros, on the contrary, made some kind of revolution in the decoration of
versions.

RA> And how the poor keyboard groans and crunches, tormented on a grand scale by the palm
RA> of the user in the hope of finding that button that will stop endlessly
RA> a stretching list of greetings to people whom the user has no regard forabsolutely
RA> no business and other hacker verbiage,

I don’t remember such intros that, while reading the greetings, it was impossible to get out of them at that moment
. Usually it is impossible to get out of the introduction or de-crunch.

RA> what
RA> words are dedicated to these people and the author of greetings in particular.
RA> But the true apotheosis is the facial expression of a gamer who managed to wait (or
RA> bring it closer) to the end of the intro and the long-awaited menu appeared on the monitor with
RA> infinites, it is written, of course, in the least readable font of all
RA> known to the author, and for greater effect it (the menu) naturally either
RA> writhes across the screen or flickers brutally for greater
RA> unreadability.

Science does not exist without victims (c). I haven’t seen a person who couldn’t read
what is what in the trainer.

RA> Let’s say that the user has made out familiar letters, but alas, in
RA> he certainly doesn’t have familiar words, because in the head
RA> every hacker has two uninterrupted beliefs, every
RA> (almost every) hacker believes: 1) that his intra (deme) will definitely
RA> receive international
RA> distribution, and therefore the text must definitely be written
RA> in English,

They write in English not for this :), but to show their “coolness” (to say,
others can, but I can’tworse?)

RA> 2) what does he (the hacker) know in English.

It’s not always like this. Even if he suspects that he is making mistakes, he will still
write in English in order to look no worse than others.

RA> In general, at this moment, the expression on the poor gamer’s face reminds
RA> of Rodin’s thinker suffering from myopia.

RA> By the way, since we are talking about English: I have always been unclear
RA> the need for English in disk drives versions of anything, because
RA> Typ-Dos is actually distributed only in the territory of the Ex-USSR, where even
RA> the most ardent Baltic-Ukrainian-Chechen national chauvinists understand Russian well
RA> (which, by the way, cannot be said about English).

Again, for "coolness".

RA> However, any “Cool Hatker” doesn’t care about these considerations, because
RA> his task is not to be understood, but to show his
RA> coolness,

I’m talking about the same thing

RA> and it’s known that the more mysterious and incomprehensible the cooler....
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I wouldn’t say that about the int. Just english - the standard for
int.

IG>>> I plugged the gap with a match, went to drink tea, drank it - came - the game
IG>>> completed. Meaning?

SN>> If every game had a meaning... :)

RA> Are games necessary?without meaning?

It depends.

IG>>> A little exaggerated, but nevertheless.

RA> Not exaggerated at all, remember R-Type - that’s exactly how it goes (even
RA> without a match)

Well, why play with invulnerability then. A normal, enthusiastic gamer does not play to see the so-called. final cut, but to enjoy the game.

SN>> You need to play the game, and not plug the gap with a match. =)

RA> Why play a game that will pass itself without me?

So you play for the final cuts? In this case, you are contradicting yourself,
after all, final cut is the same intro, only written less skillfully.

RA> However, “infinite” shooting games like the aforementioned Air-Type
RA> are very popular among preschool children (my 3-year-old son
RA> plays it with the same pleasure as in immortal Doom),
RA> therefore they are needed.

At three years old playing Doom ;( I would not allow this, because you yourself understand that
this kind of game of “3D-massacre with a sea of blood and screams” is not good for a small child will carry it through.

RA> declare yourself publicly,
But I don’t...
This was the case during the time of KANO, just remember his famous phrase:
"100% presentation in Moscow by MKHG",
when the intro is not made for the game, but a game for the intro is looked for,
for example, for a long time no need to go:
Dizzy X, Releases: Codebusters, Mortal Kombat, Softstar
And everywhere the same problem - it’s impossible to beat the 48th game,
and the error was simple, there at 128k a sign of 512 bytes was generated,
but at 48k not, it was enough to generate this a sign and at 48k how everything
worked...
RA> but you should
RA> be more attentive to the feelings of users in order to avoid the opposite effect,
INTRO: this is a kind of satisfaction after the work has been done, and not a way
to declare yourself publicly, for this they write demos.

RA> so that instead in order to say: “This is a coder
RA> ..... he restored so many games”
RA> they didn’t say: “Oh, how many tedious braking intrusions this coder stuck in.....".
Often, users don’t care who made this or that program,
they care about how it is done.

SN> Or if you don’t want it, don’t take it.
What about monopolies?
SN> The authors of versions with intros usually don’t receive a penny for them
SN> -> they have the right to release the version they want.
If I want to swear at everyone and everything in the intro, that’s the same “my right”
and no one can tell me anything about it about ?
SN> If you don't like this version, get another one... If you find it... But please respect the authors
SN>.
No, please RESPECT THE USERS.
[.....]

Thursday October 30 1997 20:09, Sergei Novikov ─── Evgeny Milun:

SN>>> Few people will now release a fresh release if in it they cannot
SN>>> immortalize themselves in the intro.

EM>> So I’m talking about the same thing... Games are made for in order to immortalize oneself... This means that these are no longer games in the usual sense. In a word -
EM>> put pressure on such “game makers”.

SN> So if, apart from fame, in the current state of affairs, you get nothing
SN> from the game...
So what? I still don’t understand why games are made? To
perpetuate yourself through an attached intro?

AH>>>>> With such an approach and views...
EM>>>> Well, why... Of course it’s good when the game has beautiful graphics... but
EM>>>> it would be nice if the game itself was interesting. Isn’t that so?
SN>>> For the sake of argument, you’re ready to run into the Space Gun. The coolest game, if you don't
SN>>> play like IG: with a cheat mod and a match.
EM>> But I haven't played it at all. I both downloaded it and immediately erased it. :))

SN> You have the ability to lie... Or is this a joke? Hmmm...
This is neither a lie nor a joke? Where did you get the idea?

AM> Dizzy X , Releases: Codebusters, Mortal Kombat, Softstar
AM> And everywhere the same problem - it’s impossible to beat the 48th game,
AM> and the mistake was simple, there was a sign at 128k 512 bytes,
AM> but not on 48k, it was enough to create this sign and on 48k like everything
AM> it worked...

How dizzy X hit his head on the top frame on one screen. :-))))
The working version was created by us (FFC), find it!

With respect, Alex from FFC COMPUTERS.

> VP> in vain, I use Stylus and The Bat! only in the Russian interface -
> VP> thoroughly. now it’s even unusual in all other programs :)
>
>The presence of a couple of programs with a well-written Russian interface does not indicate the
possibility of complete Russification.

that’s precisely a WELL-WRITTEN Russian interface. You can try and write
a high-quality interface. it’s another matter if you’re lazy, or you want to seem cool
or you don’t want to think about people who will use the program
again, back to the conversation about shitty English in SUBJs. Are you aware
that people read this “filthy” English and then remember it. and then they say
that’s right. (hehe - just like in the case of the Pentagon - clumsy int
has now been called a standard. It’s not even funny). One way or another, teach people bad things, comrades. study, study and study again before writing Hey
Cewl Doodes fOrm MalErFost proudly present Other nEw Rilize BoMbeR (144k only)
remixed.

AM>> byte, but not on 48k, it was enough to create this sign and on
AM>> 48k everything worked...
AL> How dizzy X hit his head on the top frame on one screen. :-))))
AL> The working version was created by us (FFC),
The same thing 2.5 years ago!
AL> find it!
And the same for you!

Regards Andrey Mihaylow

SN> Or if you don’t want it, don’t take it. The authors of versions with intros usually don't receive a penny for them
SN> -> they have the right to release the version they want.

Well, about the intellectual property rights, here's another grandmother for two
said...

SN> If you don't like this version, get another one... If you find it...

If it's easier to find another one, I'll find it, if not, I'll “castrate” that one which exists.

SN> But please respect their authors.

I respect you.

With God's blessing, Sergei Novikov AKA Spirit/STEP

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SN>>>> Games, games... There are so many games, all the best have already been released. And no self-respecting group will limit itself to a _modest_
SN>>>> picture with an inscription.
EM>>> Yeah. It should be like this: “And now, three times Red Banner, Guards, Group
EM>>> from the city of such and such, consisting of such and such, who then and
EM>>> then did such and such, and on such and such occasion
EM>>> they think such and such. And Also, they want to say hello to so and so, and they also know how to rave about such and such...". Actually
EM>>> this is exactly what all sorts of Abouts are for. And in the intro there should be
EM>>> a preamble to the game. And if you're talking about remixes, then... well, I already
EM>>> said - the remix should organically fit into the game itself.

SN>> Let the intro makers decide for themselves how and what to do, OK?

EM> Nope... Cancel. Now, if they won’t show these programs to anyone, then OK. Otherwise, let them still think about the users
EM>.

A reasonable person would not say this. Are you suggesting that all the latest releases not be shown to anyone? Well, well... Although what else could one expect from you =(

SN>>>> Well, that’s right. If intros were so easily deleted by everyone, I
SN>>>> personally would not release the “new” from the Internet.
EM>>> And in honor of what are you even inserting your intros there? So that everyone
EM>>> would know that Sergey Novikov has the opportunity to get onto
EM>>> such and such a site, and so he grants us such and such a game? Well, you pulled it
EM>>> from the Internet and threw it into the Fidonet network, so what?

SN>> But nothing. I'm not doing all this for you. If you don’t like it, erase it and don’t look.
EM> That’s what I do, but you still answer me... As you said...
EM> “What moral right do you have”... You take it out of one network, and
EM> you throw it into another... It’s not clear... What is your merit?

What are you doing, at all? Maybe some glitchy snapshot can throw you here? And this despite the fact that first you still need to download it, find it in a pile of other downloaded junk, etc.

EM> If I want to swear at everyone and everything in the intro, it’s the same “mine
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
EM> right,”

Well, yes... Although no one says that the underlined is good

EM> and no one can tell me anything about this?

Why is this?

SN>> If you don’t like this version, get another one... If you find it... But
SN>> please respect the authors.

EM> No, please RESPECT THE USERS.

8) Users? Don’t you think it’s respect (although yes, _you don’t
think it) towards users when a group:

1) searches for new stuff on the Internet, spending _a lot of time + money on it
2) spends hours raking through “new stuff”, sifting out mountains of junk
3) converts, packages, makes a normal version, restaurates, makes loading
levels from disk and much more
and, finally, 4) gives these same users for free

RA> To those who write, for advertising.

To them too. In general, many people need it. Other intro makers and simply creative people -
to keep abreast of events - for users - to relax and "unwind" - there is no
need to keep a disk with your favorite demos on hand.

SN>> What makes you think that most users hate intros like you?

RA> Statistics.....

Well... What are the statistics? Where?

RA> By the way, by and large, it doesn’t matter to me, I don’t play games, I feel “offended for
RA> the state.”

Well, so... That means there are already 4-9 people left ;) In the end, only Milun will be left ;))

AH> Glory? Or maybe this is the macro language you developed for Raven? =)

Aha, like Delphi? :-)))))

> VP> that's exactly a WELL WRITTEN Russian interface. you can try and
> VP> write a high-quality interface. it’s another matter if you’re lazy or want to
>
>But writing a good Russian interface is much harder than
>writing a good English one, and besides, writing interfaces is also a complex
>science like drawing, probably, you need talent.

okay, we went to the wrong place - it was about ignorance of English, and not about
lack of talent. It’s just that if you don’t know how to do it yourself, ask someone who knows.
otherwise you’ll only disgrace yourself

>In principle, there is no current
interface in the intranets, but for the intranets the standard is English.

I understand for Western releases - but guess what, in Russia and the countries of the ex-USSR
you need to write in English? who made it the standard? just for the feeling of
pseudo-branding or what? I understand if the texts for the intro are written by an English-speaking person (like James Butler and me) - but why does Vanya Sidorov, who makes a game for his own market, make a game?

> And about
adventures, for example, with an interface like star heritage it is for
Russian, but with letter-by-letter input, only English.

This can also be disputed - on a normal keyboard with a Russian interface onlythis is how you can work. with pleasure.

> VP> people, comrades. study, study and study again before
> VP> write Hey Cewl Doodes fOrm MalErFost proudly present Other nEw Rilize
> VP> BoMbeR (144k only) remixed.
>
>On the one hand, you are of course right, all spektrumists learn English when communicating with a computer, but this does not apply to hacker intras, so how
hackers have been writing in their slang for a long time.

how then did all (practically) new groups begin their “first”
intros with standard phrases? or was this how English was explained to them at school?
To be honest, adventures like MindFighter, Sorcere of *^*&^*
Castle, etc. helped me a lot. but here are our intros!!! They probably laughed at me for two months when I said those blunders that I encountered in those same intros. so what the hell
it’s necessary if it’s not correct. It's personal and I don't want the same for others. (I
have two more buddies - one went to Germany, the other to Ireland - they had the same
story. All the trouble comes from lamers who don’t know the language and teach others the same.

SN> 8) Users? Don’t you think it’s respect (although yes, _you don’t
SN>) towards users when a group:
SN> 1) looks for new things on the Internet, spending _a lot_ of time + money on it
This is not “respect for the user”, it is (1) saturation of the market;
(2) a way to gain fame.
SN> 2) spends hours raking through the “new stuff”, sifting out mountains of junk
And by what criteria do you weed out that “trash”?
SN> 3) converts, packages, makes a normal version, restoring, does
SN> loading levels from disk and much more and, finally,
As far as I know, this is not that...
SN> 4) distributes to these same users for free
They already talked about the times of the USSR - you buy 1 kg of sugar, and as a bonus
they give (mind you, almost “free”) 1 kg of caviar.
There’s something you still don’t understand... :((

AH>>>>>>> With such an approach and views...
EM>>>>>> Well, why... Of course it’s good when the game has beautiful graphics... but,
EM>>>>>> it would be nice if the game itself was interesting. Isn’t it so?
SN>>>>> For the sake of argument, you’re ready to run into the Space Gun. The coolest game, if
SN>>>>> you don’t play like IG: with a cheat mod and a match.
EM>>>> But I haven’t played it at all. I both downloaded it and immediately erased it. :))
SN>>> You have a knack for lying... Or is this a joke? Hmmm...
EM>> This is neither a lie nor a joke? Where did you get the idea?

>> Everyone says: “There are so many errors, almost in every second case!”, and
>> imagine that the people who did this would not have done it, because
>> they were afraid to make mistakes, there would be half as much software, and the games would have
>> glitches, no cheats, no work with the disk, no restaurant We would load them with
>> cassettes, as they still love in the West.

VP> well, yes. of course, if these “hackers” hadn’t made their lame releases

Your concepts are a bit Soviet: Isn’t it possible that a person
knows Russian poorly, but this will not prevent him from restoring games well. Or will it interfere? That is, if someone doesn’t know Russian well, that’s it, he’s not a good coder, but on the contrary, if the intro is without errors, but the coding is crooked? It’s the same as what our vocational school deputy said: “Well, what kind of radio installers are you when you don’t know literature!” So I’m thinking: How can I solder now if I don’t know literature, how to restore games, how to live??? :-))))))))

VP> then much more GOOD versions would appear. for example, how many
VP> I (and
VP> Sergei too) have to put off great games that have already been
VP> released (I’m not talking about real releases, but about crappy ones, but still

Why,needs to be released again. Just think, if in a good release there is a mistake in a word in the
intro, the khan of the release, navigating it, everyone erases it, right?

VP> released ). In this race “who is faster” very often there were “who
VP> is worse”. a million releases from

The crookedness in coding is not reflected in any way on the crookedness of the inscriptions, and vice versa.
Russian has nothing to do with it, it’s just that someone is bad at restoring, disking, packaging, coding, etc.
VP> filthy snapshots that are quite close to MAGIC, which was long
VP> was

The game (not all) can be returned from snapshot or magic completely in a corporate
look (not counting the splash screen), and for this you don’t even need to know Russian
and English perfectly.

VP> condemned. no screens. without customization for the system, with damaged sprites
VP> (lotus
VP> ran through the echoes recently). It’s this kind of “quality” that makes it offensive
VP>.

And Russian has nothing to do with it.

EM> From your words it follows - mainly for the purpose of adding
EM> intro there, and thereby “perpetuating yourself”.

Well, isn’t it clear to me... I’m already tired of stupid questions. If a version
does not give anything to the group releasing it (i.e., no fame, no money - nothing at all, not even an inscription in the bootloader), then a normal group will not be involved in the release of this
version - interest is needed in every business. Let's say the group puts the inscription "Cracked by Nosok Group" in the bootloader text, figuratively speaking. Few will see this inscription - only those who will view the downloader, but this will already bring some kind of fame to the group. Those. an incentive will appear. Of course, why not strengthen this incentive by, say, making it so that
before loading, the inscription “Restored by Nosok Group” is displayed at the bottom of the screen.
This is done easily, and the incentive is already stronger, the group will want to release something else
with this inscription again. But why release 10 versions with
the same inscription at the bottom of the screen, thereby gaining N conventional units
of fame, when you can immediately release a beautifully designed version, with an intro and
your own cool picture, say? At the same time, there will be even more incentives for the group: of course, because here it will finally look not like a couple of lamers, but
like something decent. Thus,a normal group will try to get the best out of their work. If not money, then fame. And how well anyone succeeds is another question. Groups that fail to realize this will
remain lame in the concept of society, creating versions with inscriptions like
"Restored for 128K mode by..." at the bottom of the screen.

SN>> A reasonable person would not say this. Are you suggesting that all the latest releases
SN>> not be shown to anyone? Well, well...
EM> I propose not to insert into these releases any gag like "I'm here with
EM> the guy was climbing around this... what's her name... well, in short, dudes... here and there
EM> click on the letter "A"... you will get a menu, type the name of our
EM> group, words "Petya is the best cracker" and you will receive immortality..."

Yes... [Long pause]. By the way, in what game did you see this ( )? Just don't cite antediluvian versions as an example, please.

EM> They have already talked about the times of the USSR - you buy 1 kg of sugar, and as a bonus
EM> they give (mind you, almost “free”) 1 kg of caviar.
EM> There’s something you still don’t understand... :((

Do you even think about what you are talking about? 1) They give you a fully
developed version of a fresh toy for free. 2) They sell you food in a
store, selling you something for a load. Is there a difference? That's right, you get
the version for free. Or maybe you want to pay? OK, send money, they will send you a
version without an intro :) And when you don’t do anything yourself, but only
criticize others...

Random
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Concern Chaos WWW HQ: http://www.cybermail.net/~random/

SN> Do you even think about what you are talking about? 1) They give you a fully
SN> fully developed version of a new toy for free. 2) They sell you food in the
SN> store, selling something for the load. Is there a difference? That's right, you get the
SN> version for free. Or maybe you want to pay? OK, send money, they will send you a version without an intro :) And when you yourself don’t do anything, but only criticize others
SN>...
That’s what I do... :))) But I don’t “hack” anymore. :))

Regards,
Random
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SN>>>>>> If you don’t like this version, get another one... If you find it... But
SN>>>>>> please respect the authors.
EM>>>>> No, please RESPECT THE USERS.
SN>>>> 8) Users? Don’t you think it’s respect (although yes, _you
SN>>>> don’t) towards users when the group: 1)

SN> Any intro can be skipped after a certain time. When you load Windows
SN> every day, you wait a minute min. And then 5 seconds. it's a pity.

You wait for Windows out of necessity, but for the intro - without it, but only at the whim of the
author (intras) - do you feel the difference?

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Have a nice connection.
Roman.

09 Nov 97, already 12:42

EM>>>>>> No, PLEASE RESPECT THE USERS.
SN>>>>> 8) Users? Don’t you think it’s respect (although yes, _you
SN>>>>> don’t) towards users when a group: 1)
SN>>>>> looks for something new on the Internet, spending _a lot of time + money on it
EM>>>> This is not “respect for the user”, it’s (1) saturation market;