HTML on Spectrum?!

AS> All this “good” can be oriented towards the Spectrum, throwing out unnecessary
AS> complications designed for multi-platform (after all, there are no computers with
AS> a different processor and a screen similar to the Spectrum anyway).

and what does a screen similar to the Spectrum have to do with it? html -
is a platform-independent language, every platform, and every program on
every platform can do everything it needs. if the page is wider -
scroll left and right, etc.

AS> And it will reduce the amount of information being sent across networks, and the quality of the graphic
AS> design of materials and shells will only improve.
AS> In a word: who will develop a standard on HTML-Z and who is the browser sculpting?

Gee, maybe it’s better to forget about it?

Good Luck...

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MR> gee, maybe it’s better to forget about it?

imho Max says correctly, the browser can’t do a good job on spec so
so many people, you can count them on your fingers.

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Well...
You can make a watcher, but without TCP/IP it will be of little use...
And making your own standard is stupid. It’s impossible to push him into ANSI/ISO, but masturbation is enough.

With best wishes - Andrey Khristov (ha...@robin.alt.ru)

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PF> imho Max is right in saying that a browser can only do a high-quality job on spec
PF> so many people, you can count them on one hand.

In my opinion, everything is elementary. HTML - roughly speaking, a system for marking text, changing the font, its size, forming tables, attaching graphics, well, there are all sorts of links for quickly moving to the desired section of the text. Any shell to
the magazine is a browser. We're talking about developing a standard - then
publications, information can be disseminated by text, and everyone will use their favorite browser (it's just a
viewer!).

PS: I'm sure you could do it in an elementary way ;)

Sincerely, Dmitry (OLDMAN).
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DG> Andrey meant to simplify the language. For example, it is not at all necessary
DG> to express tags as a whole word, two-byte special codes are enough, it takes a couple of minutes to write a
DG> converter.

that’s not it. visibility is lost when creating documents and again,
why create another incompatible standard? those tags can
be processed easily - there are not many of them.

DG> And in my opinion, everything is elementary. HTML - roughly speaking, a system of marking
DG> text, changing the font, its size, forming tables, attaching
DG> graphics, well, there are all sorts of links for quickly moving to the desired section of
DG> text. Any shell to the magazine is a browser. Let's talk about

there is nothing complicated, you just need to have enough
memory and a good screen. + the place where all this will come from. WITHOUT
the latter - there is no point, just as there is no point today inventing another
html interpreter, when so much has already been produced...

DG> in order to develop a standard - then publications, information can
DG> be distributed in text, and in a browser (this is just a viewer!) everyone
DG> will use their favorite one.

hey, do you think there will be a lot of them? :)

DG> PS: I'm sure you could do it easily ;)

yes, you need a brain to store several font sizes. Thisminimum.
+ a good procedure for displaying PROPORTIONAL and NOT
proportional fonts with styles in different places of the screen with cropping
around the edges and other baubles... too much is required and too little
space.

Good Luck...

... Intel inside - can't divide !

DG> And in my opinion, everything is elementary. HTML - roughly speaking, a system of marking
DG> text, changing the font, its size, forming tables, attaching
DG> graphics, well, there are all sorts of links for quickly jumping to the desired section of
DG> text. Any shell to the magazine is a browser. Let's talk about
DG> to develop a standard - then publications, information can
DG> be distributed in text, and with a browser (it's just a viewer!) everyone
DG> will use their favorite one.
DG> PS: I'm sure you would do it in an elementary way ;)

and I'm sure you :) (translated the arrows coolly)
for this you need a person who knows html (and accordingly has PC/Amy/Mac...)
and you also need his desire (having a PC/Amy/Mac ;)

I would probably take it, but I don’t want to do things that are unnecessary for anyone.

Monday February 23, 1998 21:43, Max Romanoff wrote to Dmitry Grigoryev:

MR> this is not it. visibility is lost when creating documents and again,
MR> why create another incompatible standard? those tags can
MR> be processed easily - there are not many of them.

Yes, it’s not worth it. For writing pages. But it is worth having some pseudo-code, with
shortened tags; it is better to keep the graphics in the same file with the text. This will reduce
the size of the text (by the way, you can provide for storing two characters in one
byte if the text is written only in Russian or only in English) and will speed up
its output by the “browser”, this will be especially noticeable on “heavily decorated”
text. That is, compile standard HTML into a more compact form and distribute it in this
form on Spectrum networks.

MR> there is nothing complicated, you just need to have a sufficient amount
MR> of memory and a good screen. + the place where all this will come from. WITHOUT
MR> the latter, there is no point, just as there is no point in inventing another
MR> html interpreter today, when they have already produced so much...

Uh-huh. What's the problem with "place"? If you don't have enough internet, it's easy
to write pages in any text editor...

PF> and I’m sure you are :) (the arrows are coolly moved)

This is where most projects on Speccy end. and ;) and :(

PF> for this you need a person who knows html (and accordingly has
PF> PC/Amy/Mac...) and also his desire (this is having a PC/Amy/Mac ;)

Or two people - one on the Spectrum, the other on R/A/M. In general, html, in the
form in which it is needed on the Spectrum (without Java/multimedia) - it's not easy, but
very simple.

PF> I would probably take it, but I don't want to do things that no one needs.

Until there is the first browser, no one will need them...

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PF>> having a PC/Amy/Mac...) and you also need his desire (this is having
PF>> PC/Amy/Mac ;)

DG> Or two people - one on the Spectrum, the other on R/A/M. And
DG> in general, HTML, in the form in which it is needed on the Spectrum
DG> (without Java/multimedia) - it’s not simple, but very simple.

I agree with you, it’s simple...

DG> While there is no first browser, no one will need them...

But never mind, I have transferred pages many times at the request of users
ZXNet 095 and they ordered them with soap (see the guide to using FTP and WWW using e-mail). And everything came to them via postal command normally, with soap, and no conversion was even required. And since they ordered and are ordering
pages, then it’s necessary (the ZXNet law must be followed)!

But if you climb directly from the Spectrum, then such a browser is simply necessary!

And what... the reception of graphics, video, audio, markup doesn’t matter... and go ahead!
But the speed will be faster than any PC and AMMY (on HAYES 14400) due to the
exclusion of these elements.

C Best regards, Alexey Ivanov

Sun March 01, 1998 00:41, Alexey Ivanov wrote to Dmitry Grigoryev:

AI> But nifiga, I many times transferred pages at the request of users
AI> ZXNet 095 and they ordered them with soap (see the manual for using FTP and

You disbanded yours :) How did they you're still beta Memphis (why? Graphics
pull!) do not pull soap, I'm surprised :)

AI> And what... the reception of graphics, video, audio, markings don't care... and
AI> forward! But the speed will be faster than any PC and AMMY (on HAYES 14400) due to the
AI> due to the exclusion of these elements.

On normal browsers, you can quickly disable everything unnecessary. ABOUT! Someone here
threatened to port a bunch of things to Speccy? Empty Lynx portal, for starters :-)

AI> Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov

AI> And what... reception of graphics, video, audio, markup doesn't matter... and
AI> forward! But the speed will be faster than any PC and AMMY (on HAYES 14400) due to
AI> due to the exclusion of the specified elements.

Wednesday February 25, 1998 23:44, Max Romanoff wrote to Andrey Khristov:

AK>> You can sculpt a watcher, but only without TCP/IP it will be of little use
AK>> useful...

MR> so the fact of the matter is that one without the other No need.

Ok. Not a browser, but an html-viewer. So normal? ;)

AK>> Making your own standard is stupid. You can’t push it into ANSI/ISO, and
AK>> masturbation is enough.

MR> You’re thinking correctly.

Transitional standard. To reduce size, increase speed and to store
graphics together with text in one file.

MR> Good Luck...

PF> WHO???

Like who? Of course, a skilled programmer who does not hesitate to waste the resources of users, despises coders, considers the platform dead if programs are not written on it in Microsoft Word, a person with a very broad outlook, in contrast to us narrow-minded, narrow-minded fanatics, etc. etc... Do you still need a
name? Marat Fayzullin, of course...

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PS: Do you think he will accept the challenge? Or will he pretend that he didn’t read this letter?

AI> But if you climb directly from the Spectrum, then such a browser is simply necessary! But the speed will be cooler than any PC and AMMY (on HAYES 14400)
AI> due to the exclusion of the specified elements.

It won’t be cooler. I promise you ;≥)

Good Luck...

... Killing is my business... and my business is good!

PF> WHO???

DG> Like who? Of course, a skilled programmer who does not hesitate to waste
DG> user resources, despises coders, considers the
DG> platform dead if programs are not written on it in Microsoft Word, a person with
DG> a very broad outlook, unlike us limited, narrow-minded
DG> fanatics, etc. etc... Do you still need a name? Marat Fayzullin,
DG> of course...

I don’t know a person, I can only judge him by what he did, so
what did he do? (on any platform)

DG> PS: Do you think he will accept the challenge? Or will he pretend that he didn’t
DG> read this letter?

this can be verified with time :)

DG> Ok. Not a browser, but an html-viewer. Is that normal? ;)

ok. why exactly html? It makes sense if there are no plans
to expand the internet, to create your own format.

DG> Transitional standard. To reduce the size, increase the speed and
DG> graphics should be stored together with the text in one file.

s.... horror... well, as it follows from this, the graphics should be in 2
colors at once. otherwise - brakes.

Good Luck...

... No wanna work. Wanna bang on keyboard.

AI>> markings don’t care... and go ahead! But the speed will be steeper
AI>> than any PC and AMMY (on HAYES 14400) due to the exclusion of
AI>> the specified elements.

MR> it won’t be cooler. I promise you ;≥)

If you disable all of the above on a PC or AMMY, then yes, the speed
won’t be any cooler...

But no one turns it off ;) I only turn off audio and video (unless I’m talking on
an Internet phone).

Sincerely, Alexey Ivanov

Uh-huh... the "programmer" can't install a Russifier for himself...

DG> not shy about wasting user resources, despising coders,
DG> considering the platform dead if programs are not written on it in
DG> Microsoft Word, a person with a very broad outlook, unlike
DG> us limited, narrow-minded fanatics, etc. etc... Do you still need
DG> a name? Marat Fayzullin,

Does anyone read his letters??????????

With his ugly writing style, when it takes ten minutes to parse these scribbles
imho this is absolute disrespect for echo subscribers. Considering that
there are no problems with getting a Russifier, especially since he still reads letters from here, it means he has it and therefore this is just a mockery of all of us. Therefore, I put a tweet on it (and Twit Action Delete)

With respect, Tim. [Team Aries - Rulez Forever]

AI> If you disable all of the above on a PC or AMMY, then yes, in terms of speed
AI> it won’t be any cooler...

you know, I once saw how V works on 060/CV in 24 bits... I
couldn’t eat for three days... Spectrum with such a speed the screen can’t even
cleanse...

no, everything is possible, but the question is whether it is expedient. but it’s better
not to talk about speed...

Good Luck...

... Intel is one of Silicon Valley's top toxic waste polluters.

06 Mar 98 20:04, Tim Yunaev reported to Dmitry Grigoryev about {HTML on the Spectrum?!}:

DG>> name? Marat Fayzullin,
TY> What, does someone read his letters??????????
TY> imho this is absolute disrespect for echo subscribers.

IMHO, yeah :( It’s common, suddenly he writes something useful there, but you have to skip
without looking :((

2Marat: if you can’t find a localizer, write at least like this: |~|P|/|BET BCEM! ;)
Please...
Warm greetings, Slava!

VM> IMHO, yeah :( It’s common, suddenly he writes something useful there, but you have to
VM> skip it without looking :((

VM> 2Marat: if you can’t find a crack, write at least like this: |~|P|/|BET BCEM!
VM> ;) Please...

I wonder how he _reads them without a Russifier?..

Yours truly, Hexman/BYTEX.
[Team ZX ASM] [Team Metallica] [Team Art Works]

VM>> BCEM! ;) Please...
VH> I wonder how he _reads_ them without a Russifier?..

In order to read them, you only need a font. Anisyai?

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It’s quite possible to write an HTML interpreter using spec. I think that there will be problems with the implementation of the IP protocol. It’s painful, but it’s heavyweight without caching. and
cache on the flop - sorry...

Bye!
Rick Murray
mur...@geocities.com http://letit.home.ml.org ICQ:6653886

Slava, you're kidding me. I don’t believe that a person with Internet access could find
a keyboard cracker in half an hour.

If he does start writing normally, please tell me to remove the tweet, pls.

With respect, Tim. t...@usa.net [team Aries is Rulez Forever]

Yes, he probably has a crack. And he specially encodes letters. :)
Sincerely
┬ ┬┌┐┬┐ ┐┬┬
╨╜╨╙╜╨╙ ╨ ╨

VY> Yes, he probably has a localization tool. And letters are specially
VY> encoded. :)

Maybe he wrote a transcoder from ordinary Russian to his... ;)
And, IMHO, in order for him to write purely in Russian, in addition to the Russifier, he also needs a Russian keyboard, or, you can also stick the letters on the keys yourself... or will he type everything from memory? ;) In short - how can he write like that, oh well...
I also thought about the transcoder - if he wrote it in one direction, then
should he do the same in the other? :)))
ps. It is not necessary to answer, I just spoke... :)

C u l8r,
Dmitry aka ZDW. [Team SIMPSONS]
[Team ID]

Damn, people! Can't you understand - there is a CGA/Hercules monitor with a Russian keyboard, but there is no Russian keyboard and/or Russian keyboard! And that’s all!
I lived like this recently, I know it well from myself!

And may the Force be with Me and My friends!
Darth

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DV> Damn, people! Can’t you understand - there is a CGA/Hercules monitor with a
DV> russified shortcut, but there is no russifier and/or Russian keyboard! And
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
How does he read letters?

I'll be back, Darth.

And may the Force be with Me and My friends!
Darth

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